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8 weeks just for the amazing project? And how long for the video? 28+ min and not a single second of boring content. I'd guess another 100 hours, fantastic!
Colin Furze is way better and would have made this frisbee tossing thing way better. This guy ,although pretty good; isn't on the level of Colin Furze. Step your invention game up playboy. ColinFurze is the number one TH-cam engineer/scientist.
i work with tools daily and love collecting them and seeing and getting new tools. So seeing that was awesome to me as well. its something i wish i could just do is just build and male a custom tool if needed
17:45 "I couldn't have hit more things if I had tried"... The honesty, backed up by the sound of all those things, bouncing around in the background...bravo, sir.
The learning curve might have been shorter if he'd started with what's known about skeet, sure. "A day in the library is worth a week in the lab." But then we'd have been robbed of some quality video 🤣
I think if you copy the idea of a clay pigeon launcher you'd be closer. The clay in a trap starts on the arm near its pivot. As the arm cycles the clay moves outwards along the arm which has a rubber lip. This imparts spin. Additionally as the clay begins its path on the inside of the arm it experiences less initial acceleration which is why the delicate clays don't shatter during the throw. The unit can be tilted for trajectory and flight angle. And the whole arm can be a U shape for containment of the disk.
I’m still waiting for you to program an oncology (tumor zapping) microwave to perfectly reheat a slice of apple pie evenly - instead of making it very hot at the tip and cold at the crust.
Super secret trick-- instead of putting the apple pie slice in the middle, put the slice on the edge of the microwave. Then it should (hopefully) cook evenly. If not, then only God can help us all.
Pro-tip: use your microwave's defrost function and microwave it for 2-3x as long as you usually would. Or, if it has a power level setting, set it to 40% and multiply the time you'd put it in at 100% by 2.5. The power level setting typically will do whatever % you choose on 100% and then the remaining % at 0%. So for 50%, it'd do 15 seconds on, 15 seconds off, 15 seconds on, etc. That lets the heat dissipate throughout the food during the 15 seconds off multiple times over the course of a single warming, which makes it more evenly warm after it's finished.
@@granthuffmanreal Ceramics act completely differently than plastic. Most of the launch system would be incompatible. Plus, this is a DIY channel, a pre-made solution would be boring
Suggestion: Your disc needs more spin to make it more stable and less likely to invert. You may want to look into clay pigeon throwers and how they launch them with spin and enough force to go a good distance without breaking the fragile pigeon.
those fragile pigeons have totally different properties than plastic discs, the pigeons can't bend and are sturdier, while the disc is very flexible (ductile)
A rotational railgun mechanism for this might also be worth a try. May launch at the speed of sound, may tear itself to pieces. Either way, it would be fun to watch.
@@DonLicuala it's not about inventing something now - it's about applying what's learnt and making it a reality Would love to see you try and solve the issues that were faced,
@@syth-1 the, “I would love to see you try” argument isn’t an argument these days man. You can criticize a space launch without being able to build rockets yourself. Don’t get so defensive
The throwing angle makes a massive difference in the discs flight. If you make it throw on a hyzer angle i think you'll get a nice distance out of this thing.
Yeah, and at the beginning of the video he says he has played disc golf "for a few years" so I kept waiting for him to adjust the angle. Also I don't think the mechanism was designed to provide an appropriate amount of spin.
Came here to say this. Instead of throwing flat with a righthand backhand-like throw, the disc needs to sink down a little bit on the left side. Then it would make more of an S-turn and stay in the air for maximum time.
Super cool project! I wonder what would have happened if you set the machine to throw it on a hyzer angle instead of flat. When pros are throwing at fast speeds they will angle the disc sometimes up to 40 degrees to counteract the flipping and keep it flying flat for longer during the flight. Can't wait to see what you do with the next project!
I was wondering if he was going to figure out the floating disc curve. I used to play a lot of disc golf and our term for it was "S Curve". It's the only way to get long distances. I'm certain he would have gone much farther with the right disc throwing tilt/angle.. Humans also flick the disk at the last stage of a throw which I think might give more stabilization..
I feel like you'll eventually end up building fallout style power armor to permanently get around problems like "this will break my arm" or "I won't have a head if this goes wrong"
You need to have it fire on an extreme hyzer angle. You’re shooting it on an anhyzer angle, which is no good when it’s firing them so fast. Also, try a “Tilt” disc. It’s the most overstable (wants to flip right the least) disc out there.
YES!! If the disc is rolling… it needs to be launched in a position to counteract that roll. So about 80-90° CCW. I hoped there might be a try at Side Arm… which for me, requires significantly less energy:distance ratio. However, speed was the original goal, so not necessarily the best form for speed.
I’m glad you have ALL the skills to not only make a video, but to brake down the step by step Process of the mechanics behind your Invention! You inspire more than you realize.
Actually, that's what a compensator or muzzle brake does. It sends the energy escaping the muzzle, after the bullet left the muzzle in a different direction, mitigating the recoil. A muzzle brake literally takes all the energy contained in the barrel after the bullet has left the muzzle, and sends it back toward the shooter, albeit at a slight angle. So, while the bullet pushes the gun toward the shooter, the escaping energy pulls the gun forward, canceling the recoil quite a bit. It also makes one hell of a noise, and it's the reason for those massive dust clouds seen when someone shoots from the ground with a muzzle brake installed on a big rifle.
The problem is that he put so much distance between the swing arm and the counteracting swinging weight. They needed to be very close to each other. To make it much safer the weight might have been a disc.
Would love to see a part 2! Release angle is essential in controlling how much a disc wants to flip during flight. You are releasing a disc on an anhyzer and it just continues to flip all the way over. You can compensate for this by changing the angle to start on a hyzer, and it will flip up to a more stable flight. Called a “hyzer flip.” Spin also helps, but you covered how this could improve it :)
I was going to say this exactly. Tbh the fact that they're going the distance that they are on such a steep anhyzer angle is kinda wild. Edit; I'd be interested to see him throw the DiscMania Tilt, the Discraft Captain's Raptor, or the Innova Max with this on anyhyzer, hyzer, and flat releases.
I'm not sure he can fix this with his current design. The beauty of a human arm is 3 joints before the hand. If you throw a disc with all fixed joints except for the shoulder, you won't be able to stabilise it. I imagine he's thing about that already when he's talking about more spin (adding a wrist), but he still needs an elbow to adjust the release angle.
@@sqmsh your elbow isn't exactly what determines release angle though. I'm sure he can set the machine to release on a different angle, without too much of an issue.
@@name7892 that doesn't work. Gyroscope and all that jazz. Think about your arm without a wrist or an elbow trying to achieve the same thing. You'll be better off, certainly. But you want a horizontal release plane, with a IO release angle to maximise your distance. You can't do that with only one joint.
Wow, this seems so challenging! On your final attempt, the disc came out of the slinger on “anhyzer” angle (disc golf term) which may be making the discs flip over faster. I’m curious what would happen if you released them on “hyzer” (angled down opposite the direction they flip over to)? That may help give you more distance! The pros certainly take advantage of that- wind can also cause discs to flip faster. So a tail wind may help again make the disc flip less and go further? Combine those two thoughts and MAYBE everything will break again somehow
suggestion: generally throwing with the outside edge lower will be much less likely for it to flop to the right similarly to what happened there, instead it will stabilise and go much further.
Yep! He's throwing into the roll. If he lowers the edge, the roll will result in flattening, which will give lift, then roll back over. Basically looking for an S curve.... he has an amazing roller angle tho!
If you make a version 2.0 you should angle it down a good 30 degrees, if not more. The torque you’re putting out is going to turn any disc over, so counteract that by putting it on hyzer so it flips up to flat, not flip over into a barrel roll. Look up hyzer flip. I would also suggest using a new disc- the fresh plastic makes it more stable and less resistant to turning over. Smashing it into the walls, boards, melons, etc break in the plastic and make it much softer or “weaker.” Actually, just get Simon on the next video. He knows everything there is to know about dg, and it’ll probably triple your views too.
Stuff Made Here: How can I protect my head when launching this disk? Helmet with a disk sized gap near eyes: Pick me! Pick me! In all honesty though, it is inspiring to see the thought process and hard work you put into your projects. God bless!
I’ve been playing disc golf for about 7 years now. The motion of the thrower looks good in my opinion but the angle at which your final set up is position is the problem with your distance. Let me explain. Throwing a disc right handed back hand (rhbh) naturally makes the disc want to turn left in its flight because physics. When throwing rhbh super hard it wants to turn over, as you explained, in a clockwise rotation when looking at the flight path of the disc. To compensate for this players will throw the disc from a hyzer release. You can look up hyzer vs anhyzer to have a visual aid but essentially a hyzer is the angle that the disc naturally wants to end at in its flight path and anhyzer is the opposite. Long story short, throwing the disc on a hyzer will help compensate for the clockwise rotation of the disc when it wants to turn over. Therefore you want to have the machine start the disc path at the same angle as this -> / so when it turns over it flips up to flat -> - instead of starting from flat and turning over to -> \. Does that make sense. I would love to chat with you more about this if you’d like because I think your machine has the potential to break the record without making your own disc or doing major modifications. Just need a little disc golf technique in the swing! Other things that will help to counter turning over is a heavy disc (175g at least and buying a high stability disc. Aka, you want the 3rd number on the disc flight path numbers to be high, at least a 3. I hope all of this helps, I’d love to see a follow up video. Good luck!
When it hit that table he was hiding behind, I was so thankful that he took at least some precautions there. But I was terrified every time he wore it; it looks terrifying.
What I learned at work: Our cranes have 4x the safety. So if it is rated for 4 tonnes it actually can lift 16 tonnes but due to safety regulations it will switch itself off if there's more than 4 tonnes on there. AND THIS GUY RUNS THE AIR PISTON AT 6X OUTSIDE ITS SAFETY REGULATION. Subscribe to this madman!
@@spruce1509 Safety factor isn't about knowledge, it's about preventing failure in unexpected conditions. In the example of the crane OP mentions, maybe it can lift 16 tonnes under perfect conditions, but say the rigging is off or it's windy, and that weight starts to move.... Well, now you have a collapsed crane. As for assessing materials... you can't account for everything. The reason he's okay with overloading the piston is that he isn't putting anyone's life the way of the machine. That's why he only used it manually at really low power, and goes behind cover when he ramps it up.
This was unexpectedly hilarious! I've always loved how you show your design iteration process, but together with the dry humor and the sheer slapstick of the robot exploding and throwing frisbees into your workshop the video becomes a mix of technology and comedy! I laughed a lot!
Watching these videos while I study for finals, studying mechanical engineering has really made me appreciate the hard work engineers put into making systems safe.
IT is weird indeed. Everywhere I comment, people tell me how much they love me and my content. Sometimes IT is annoying. But right now, IT would be okay. So say something nice about my content, dear lou
I like how this thing went through a quasi-natural evolution process - it shed unnecessary parts, but there are some vestigial reminders that point to those parts existing in previous generations
Watching things like this confirm evolution as a theory but also make me question it and I am by no means religious. Titanium, carbon fiber, intelligent designer, many generations of precise testing vs muscles and bones made mostly of water, proteins, and calcium after many generations of random genetic mutations? Yet in my opinion, the human arm still wins by a landslide. It is clearly more elegant in appearance and far more precise, even if it is not able get the speed achieved by the machine. Not to mention the arm can do several hundred different tasks while most machines designed to beat humans in a task can only do the specific task it is designed for. I’m not shitting on evolution, but it makes me wonder if there was in fact an architect of the human body and the architect was someone or something which was far more advanced than we are now. Or if it is evolution, that someone or something has stacked the odds in our favor. Sorry for rambling, but your analogy to evolution really made me think about how lucky we got as a species to exist while earth is still so young. Great point though.
@@meyjor I wouldn't go as far as to say this confirms evolution theory XD. I said "quasi" for a reason, it's not actual evolution process, it just coincidentally looks similar :)
@Dylan B I don't disagree. I guess since humans are only 10,000 or so years old, we don't know if in a million years the random genetic mutation of people born without an appendix will be able wipe out those with an appendix, or the random genetic mutation giving the appendix the purpose of special enzyme secretion that allows us to become telepathic will happen. Stay tuned to find out.
Love all the engineering. I've used a clay bird thrower for shooting practice and that's where I would have started. The long throwing arm gives the disc a surface to roll and get better rotation before launch. Probably would be a heavy design.
You don't know how much something like this is needed in disc golf, with technologies like this we can actually test discs and put them on a more uniform standard regarding flight numbers etc.
It's really cool. Like he mentioned near the end, when discussing world records., I imagine he'd have to change it up to get a similar amount of rotation and gyroscopic stability, though, which probably means another, more human-like release mechanism. The amount that it's turning over in the video is interesting. Would have been interesting to see it throw something like Tilt. But maybe a 9-speed would've died anyways. Not an expert.
Seems to me the simplest thing may be to redesign the pitching machine, make it horizontal. the speed difference between the 2 wheels would govern the spin. would be consistent and repeatable.
This actually does have commercial viability as well if you were interested. Companies literally just go throw the discs they make and make up all those numbers on the disc. It's pretty hard for a human to consistently throw the same speed and same angle over and over again. Disc manufacturers would definitely be interested in something that can throw consistently like this.
@@marcz2903 I know, I'm a regular viewer of a channel that's even presenting historical ones. This one would allow for a completely different kind of design of the disc, different angles and distances. Most stuff already exists, but there is always room for improvement ...
Have you looked at the spring powered clay pidgeon launchers at sporting goods stores? They look similar. Simpler without the arm breaking or death features 😇
Came to say the same. I love his videos, especially the fact he shows his working through the iterative process of prototyping. This build though I found myself trying to talk to the screen pointing out he was reinventing a wheel that already works very well.
He, like myself, is the rarity, a machinist moonlighting as an engineer or vice-versa/either-or/Ying-Yang... (waddle waddle bing bang). I tinker, limited resources equte to limited tinkering, sadly.
Speaking on your final comment in the video on learning and taking the initiative, I just started finishing my high school education at 25 after a long illness, I am very excited to see where life takes me!
I just realized that this problem is basically the same one that clay pigeon traps (throwers) are made for. C&rsenal has a fun series of videos called "It's a Trap!" where they go into a bunch of vintage clay pigeon traps with different mechanisms. I wonder if some of those could be cool inspiration for another version of this?
Came looking for this same comment. A scaled up version of a hand thrower seems like an obvious route to explore further. A hand thrower on an old golf shaft will launch a pigeon!
Your comment about “spin” at 23:30 is something I had been wondering about from the very beginning. None of your early designs seem to provide that type of energy as the disc launches. You are basically ( but not entirely) throwing a knuckle ball. 🙂 Your ideas and execution are fascinating and I applaud your efforts. Thanks for sharing. Oh, I entirely love your wife’s deadpan sense of humor. She’s hilarious! You two are a great team!
I wonder if simply using a roller system on the latch release would allow the disc to spin out rather than launching out. Would be a simple first test to see if it would work.
This is the crossover I have literally obsessed over for years. You need something like a Flick, Tilt, or Latitude 64 Stiletto to stand up to speeds like those. Some people have even modified discs by reshaping with heat to make even more stable molds than any that are currently sold. Flattening the flight plate and outer rim into a single plane can cause some incredibly stable discs. Perhaps keeping the flipping edge angled down in a hyzer release would help get a better flight path as well. If you need any tips on disc design I can give some insight to how each design element can affect flight, but I find it's mostly intuitive if you're overly familiar with free bodies and basic classical mechanics.
Having it be thrown on hyper would probably have the greatest impact on the machine. Also it would be very interesting to see if the Tilt could be useful in this situation.
From what I could tell, the discs launched in the field were being released on an anhyzer angle, like clock arms pointing at 10 and 4. This would cause highly stable distance drivers to flip over almost immediately. Releasing from the opposite angle (hyzer) should allow the disc to flip up, fly flat, and then return to it’s original angle when falling. This would be like clock arms pointing at 2 and 8. This is the case for the machine, which launches the discs like a right-handed backhand, but would be different for other throws. Hope this helps!
Amazing work. Your problem with turn can possibly be fixed by putting the arm on a "hyzer" angle - having the left side of the disc angeled downward. The speed will naturally make the disc "stand up" and go to the right. In disc golf we call this hyzer flipping.
Yep. At 23:00 the quick cut of "all of the discs in all of the configurations" appears to only either launch the discs flat or angle the arm the wrong way. That quick montage immediately jumped out to me as throwing it wrong
I was literally yelling “Throw on hyzer!” at the video. 🤣 This is actually a really interesting project, because I think a uniform throwing robot is one of the things that would take the disc design and manufacture process to the next level. You could actually see the flight numbers unified between brands, and the various plastics/runs of molds quantified in how they differed from the original run.
This was a great idea! I would love to see you beat the distance record with it. I am a disc golfer and here are some things I noticed. So, you pointed out that you are using over stable disc this is good to reduce roll over like you are getting. The launcher is releasing the disc at an anhyzer angle which in turn will have the disk roll over. The max speed of current disc's is 14-15 I suggest using one of those that is over stable last two number 0,4 and releasing at more of a hyzer angle. The power behind the arm will force the disc flat and you will get more distance. Hope this helps would really love to see this succeed!
I agree with this comment. If you tilted the disc in the opposite direction (left side down, right side up, relative to the travel direction) then you would get a much better flight and would have easily beat the women's record, and "Wife" could have a brand new trophy on the wall. I also agree with your assessment for putting more spin on the disc would help. I have an idea for a mechanism to do this ( I have been thinking about building a machine to throw discs too!) that mimics the human wrist. Essentially, it is loosely attached on the arm and pivots freely, as the disc is accelerated, it will pull outward by centrifugal force, but when the disc gets enough velocity and inertia, it will start to pull the pivot point forward (I think) and this will enable a mechanical trigger that pulls a pin holding onto the rim of the disc downward, releasing the disc (very similar to v2 of your mechanism). It may be a total failure, but will be fun to try!
It’s amazing that you made a backboard that will move anywhere to catch a basketball in a 3D space, and you seemed to have less struggle figuring that out than creating a machine that throws a frisbee. I envy your skills, resources, time, and knowledge to do both.
The problem you need to solve are different. For the 3D moving hoop, the problems are mostly in software, the hardware is easy enough. For this, all the problems are in hardware. Hardware is usually more difficult to deal with than software. (Re: Integration Hell)
Nice job. You demonstrated as much patience as talent on this one. Good call not holding it. I always wanted to make something like this for launching golf balls. Top Golf....here I come.
If you haven't already, you should check out the older videos on his channel. He has an automatic golf club, though it's focusing on increasing accuracy rather than insane power. His bat, on the other hand, that's focused on power...
0:41 "This ended up being my most labor-intensive project, ever." Watching your videos, it looks like you could say this about all of your projects :) 7:47 It looks exactly like transistors in Darlington configuration. I love when electronics and pneumatics are so similar! You don't realize how much trial and error went into designing and engineering the technology we have, until you try to build something yourself. What seems obvious afterwards, like the wind shield for the disc, can be easily overlooked because of all the other potential problems. I really like that you don't just show the finished product, but instead as you said it "the journey is the destination".
Hey Shane, passionate disc golf flight enthusiast here! There are a few reasons why your disc is behaving that way: 1. You're correct in that more spin = more better. Spin not only makes the disk fly A LOT further because of increased glide, it also mitigates any off-axis torque introduced by the machine, which will cause a disc to want to turn to the right. 2. As others have said, if your disc has this lack of spin and increased off-axis torque, you will want to give it the max opportunity to combat this tendancy to turn right by mirroring your release angle. But if it's doing barrel rolls to the right, this won't be enough, which is why, 4. You need the appropriate disc that has an absurd tendency to the left to counteract this. This disc would have a high speed rating (13-15) and maximum overstability (turn rating of 0 or greater). Examples are Innova Max / Ape, Discraft Nuke OS, or Latitude 64 Stilleto) If you want, hit me up and I can send you a few of these. Great vid man!
Also should be noted that it flings it in a circle instead of pulling the disc in a straight line. Discs are supposed to turn over, not flip all the way around. A disc golf swing is a straight line, this machine is throwing thumbers
@@scottdalton1205 we don’t really throw in a straight line. I understand that is what is taught as good practice to give people to minimize rounding, but If you can find slo motion footage of someone throwing from over their head you can see it is actually an arc path as the elbow extends.
@@scottdalton1205 I think the issue with rounding for humans is that it isn't the most efficient way for our body to accelerate the disc, but our bodies are free-standing, impact-absorbent, and versatile and reactive enough to adjust between throws or even in the middle of one. I think trying to design a mechanical arm that accelerates the disc in a straight line would introduce an astronomical amount of design challenge, and the fact that he's turning and burning Nukes at 550' with the current design means he's most likely onto something anyways. He needs to use a more stable disc, which has a limit within the PDGA regulations; you can only make something that flies with a certain amount of overstability while keeping within the max weight and rim parameters. A disc that pushes those limits just isn't practical for humans to use, but I think the machine he has designed is absolutely capable of getting maximum distance with a parametrically maxed-out regulation golf disc.
@@Aphletic Agreed we throw in an arc. But I'm having a hard time coming up with an idea to put more RPMs on it. Maybe the key is finding a way to decelerate the inside of the disc as it's coming out. It might be as easy as putting a lot of high-friction material in the holder to separate angular velocity from linear velocity. 🤔
Would have loved to see it throw a discmania Tilt (most over stable disc ever manufactured) on a hyzer angle at the 75% power. That wouldn’t flip no matter how much torque and speed you put on it.
I would definitely like to see this. It looked like the releases were all anhyzer, which could have been a major contributor to the discs flipping over. Tilt on hyzer release would be so cool to see on this machine.
"I couldn't have hit more things if I tried" really got me laughing. As well as the "I think by now you know the drill" as he shows an image of his drill.
Awesome project as always. These are two of my favorite things. The whole time I watched this I was hoping you would figure out that you need more spin on the disc. You can make a high powered clay pigeon launcher that fits a disc. Also, look into "hyzer flip" if you get the angle right then you will definitely throw it really far. I bet you could reach 1000 feet. I'm looking forward to see the next version!
I was wondering how much rpm of the disc was effecting the distance. I have a clay thrower and it imparts a good amount of spin, I assume to stabilize the clay in flight.
@@dust-yo Ya could be good for distance. It is much easier to flip than the Tilt though, Tested the two with all kinds of shots, Tilt is much more overstable. I think colossus might be good for distance, might just have to release on a sharp hyzer to flip to flat.
Oh man, I have been wanting to get Destin's attention to look into slow mo mechanics of disc flight to better understand flight ratings, design, and the impact of throw mechanics. Looks like you guys need to do another collab!
I think he could use a real disc golfer to collab as well to swiftly correct the beginner mistakes (like adding more anhyzer when the problem is too much turn?! Put that on a hyzer flip line).
Hate to break this to you but, the fastest throw was by Louis Sebastian in 2009. The frisbee circled the world at ~1,067,190 MPH. You can find the video here on TH-cam.
I think this is my favorite video of yours so far - fascinating and hilarious! I looked up at the thinning lunchroom and only then realized it had been a half hour… Aside from the spectacle and wanting to make a more “human” thrower (which I 100% appreciate), do you foresee issues with a pitching machine type launcher with a flat friction plate on one side and a compliant wheel/belt system on the other to impart speed and spin? Those were really popular in FRC robots a few years back to throw regular frisbees. I’d be really interested to see if that family of designs has an upper limit when subjected to absurd g forces like your first many generations of gripper.
I think looking at sporting clays traps for ideas might pose some benefits as well. Though perhaps the frisbee isn't stiff enough and/or heavy enough to use them?
Ahh, you started to describe it and I jumped ahead to the Ultimate Ascent year. Our robot only climbed though (strategy oversight, thought it would be more valuable) but we did prototype launchers.
This video was 30 mins of watching someone who has never seen a clay pigeon launcher try to re-invent the clay pigeon launcher but in the most complicated overly engineered way possible. Glad you got it working.
None oh his videos have less than 5 millions views. His content quality is outstanding. This guy is dangerously genius. He's the most complete engineer i've ever seen on my TH-cam watch history
Love love love this!!! You should totally do a second attempt at it. As a side note, all discs will turn and burn when thrown over their designed speed (not including wind conditions). Considering the extremely fast release you would get better results if you launched the disc on an extreme hyzer angle. In your field shots every angle that was used was either flat or anhyzer, and the anhyzer would encourage the disc to flip over and burn even faster. There a good amount of content if you search for "disc golf physics" to get more info =)
I've played disc gold for about 8 years now and this is soo amazing!. The engineer in me loves this! Tip would be to make sure you have the higher speed disc (13/14 - first number on flight numbers) and also one that has a high stability (3/4 - last number listed in the flight numbers). The other big thing is your release angle. At your high speeds, i would try releasing on a "hyzer" angle which is around a 45 degree angle. This gives the disc more room to not flip over into a barrel roll. New subscriber here!
speed ends up not mattering as much its more important for stability. Simon Lizottes Tilt would probably work, thats probably the only disc that would work because his others were doing skomahawks.
@Temkef it was throwing everything on anny. Throwing a nukeos like GG throws katanas (way up in the air on hyzer) would be a good starting point and then dial the release angle up until a good full flight is realized.
made my day seeing three of my favorite things in this video! your brilliant build, disc golf, and Simon Lizotte! it's really incredible how capable a human is at a task like throwing a disc. the long straight pull on one edge of the rim combined with the whip at the end is key! I'll bet you could get Simon in the next video if you invite him!
Agreed, the whip at the end is key. The problem is the G forces are applied immediately instead slowly increasing in ratio to the size and weight of the disk.
i was also thinking maybe using an offset axle position on the drive sprocket could help the acceleration burst from the air have more leverage to start and more speed at the end.
15:23 i like how you tethered the metal part through the carbon fiber just like F1 does with their tires so if the suspension breaks they dont fly off and bounce into the public or the marshalls, or other driving cars.
The frisbee has a tendency to curve left or right, depending on how it is held, it has to be released at an angle to fly in a flat "S" curve. Tilt the machine to the left.
Came here to say this. The machine is turning everything into roller shots because the angle of release is anhyzer in seemingly every shot. Throw a hyzer!
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gonna postpone my sleep to watch this
CARBON FIBER DISCS... waddaya think?
Hey, can you like do something useful and not use your talents to make useless junk....
I’m glad it took a machine to beat my record 😄 awesome video!
We need a collab video!
nice to see you here🐼🐼🐼
Give Shane some pointers for angles and spin...
Hi simon
He needs a tilt!! That would fix his flipping problem!
8 weeks just for the amazing project? And how long for the video? 28+ min and not a single second of boring content. I'd guess another 100 hours, fantastic!
The video is pure gold!
Reminds me of your videos Marius :)
Colin Furze is way better and would have made this frisbee tossing thing way better. This guy ,although pretty good; isn't on the level of Colin Furze. Step your invention game up playboy. ColinFurze is the number one TH-cam engineer/scientist.
Wait, what!? This is half an hour long video? I was so invested and interested in this video, I didn’t even know it was 30 minutes long.
@@kjeffersw no need to fanboy this hard, bro.
I like how you make a socket to remove the valve from the gas cylinder. A very small part of the video, but I appreciated it.
We getting more Coast Guard videos soon?
i work with tools daily and love collecting them and seeing and getting new tools. So seeing that was awesome to me as well. its something i wish i could just do is just build and male a custom tool if needed
I thought that was great, didn't have the right tool , "ahh well, suppose I'll just make one"
dude has every tool known to man and more
@@TheBrohomie And what he doesn't have on hand, he makes!
17:45 "I couldn't have hit more things if I had tried"...
The honesty, backed up by the sound of all those things, bouncing around in the background...bravo, sir.
Every time you release a video, I breath a sigh of relief.
“Okay, he’s still alive. Now, let’s see what almost killed him!”
ElectroBoom??
@@alumin9361 styropyro
@@santiustelive lmao
When he decided to put it on his arm, my immediate thought was "I hope he's very close to a hospital".
Michael Reeves and the Backyard Scientist, both on watch lists
Fellow disc golf noob here! Solid execution dude. Thanks for convincing me to not make that disc singshot
Yeah that would be a disaster
Yeah, I saw your stuff hiding in the video and commented. :P
Just watched the trailer of your channel thanks to this comment. What you do is so cool! It may not be much, but you have a new viewer from now on
not yet...
I would be thrilled to see a SINGshot though... :!
Thank you for this fun video
Awesome video
Thanks
Bien
How long till he realizes he just made a way over engineered clay pigeon thrower.. in all reality though amazing video. Love it
The learning curve might have been shorter if he'd started with what's known about skeet, sure. "A day in the library is worth a week in the lab." But then we'd have been robbed of some quality video 🤣
“That’s the basic design”
*shows a very complex design
Yeah, he should have just soaked some food in epoxy & called it content...
@@Invisible69420 yikes
@@Invisible69420 Criisis that's a low blow 😭😆 Love you guys tho Dan and Mitchel keep them epoxy burgers coming
“Humans are crazy, and we’re not going to be making a hand”…. Proceeds to make a hand
As soon as it launched, I was like "It's not spinning nearly fast enough." Glad you mentioned that! I look forward to a V2!
Yeah me too, I can't wait for him to take a V2 rocket project
@@lucianoayb7751 I was thinking of the exact thing
It should also get released on hyzer.
@@lucianoayb7751 with Germanys new 100 billion military Budget, its even more out there.
I think if you copy the idea of a clay pigeon launcher you'd be closer. The clay in a trap starts on the arm near its pivot. As the arm cycles the clay moves outwards along the arm which has a rubber lip. This imparts spin. Additionally as the clay begins its path on the inside of the arm it experiences less initial acceleration which is why the delicate clays don't shatter during the throw.
The unit can be tilted for trajectory and flight angle. And the whole arm can be a U shape for containment of the disk.
I’m still waiting for you to program an oncology (tumor zapping) microwave to perfectly reheat a slice of apple pie evenly - instead of making it very hot at the tip and cold at the crust.
Super secret trick-- instead of putting the apple pie slice in the middle, put the slice on the edge of the microwave. Then it should (hopefully) cook evenly. If not, then only God can help us all.
Not to be that guy, but I did not expect you here
This sounds a lot more like something up Michael Reeves Alley.
I think he should devise a system that is able to produce a chocolate flavored rain, now that would be something!
Pro-tip: use your microwave's defrost function and microwave it for 2-3x as long as you usually would. Or, if it has a power level setting, set it to 40% and multiply the time you'd put it in at 100% by 2.5. The power level setting typically will do whatever % you choose on 100% and then the remaining % at 0%. So for 50%, it'd do 15 seconds on, 15 seconds off, 15 seconds on, etc. That lets the heat dissipate throughout the food during the 15 seconds off multiple times over the course of a single warming, which makes it more evenly warm after it's finished.
I love how safety tests are done with the helmet that has a huge whole in it since it was originally designed to stop a ball and not to stop a frisby
That's a really complicated and impressive clay pigeon launcher you've got there.
Wait couldn't just have used a skeet launcher
@@granthuffmanreal Ceramics act completely differently than plastic. Most of the launch system would be incompatible.
Plus, this is a DIY channel, a pre-made solution would be boring
That was the first thing I thought cant he just buy a clay pigeon launcher at Walmart lol
PULL!
*trench gun noises*
Suggestion: Your disc needs more spin to make it more stable and less likely to invert. You may want to look into clay pigeon throwers and how they launch them with spin and enough force to go a good distance without breaking the fragile pigeon.
Those things also kick like a mule
those fragile pigeons have totally different properties than plastic discs, the pigeons can't bend and are sturdier, while the disc is very flexible (ductile)
It would be cool to see if that machine could flip a tilt :DD
He mentions this at 23:40 :)
@@maxpoppe yes, but the same concepts on how to get them spinning apply, which is what this comment was refereeing to
A rotational railgun mechanism for this might also be worth a try. May launch at the speed of sound, may tear itself to pieces. Either way, it would be fun to watch.
@@DonLicuala it's not about inventing something now - it's about applying what's learnt and making it a reality
Would love to see you try and solve the issues that were faced,
"My lord, is that... legal?"
@@DonLicuala it's similar butch more complicated
@@syth-1 the, “I would love to see you try” argument isn’t an argument these days man. You can criticize a space launch without being able to build rockets yourself. Don’t get so defensive
Hmm, my thinking, a railgun mechanism coupled with what the criss super v .45 weapon technology with it's recoil technology would be an ideal start.
The throwing angle makes a massive difference in the discs flight. If you make it throw on a hyzer angle i think you'll get a nice distance out of this thing.
Came here to say this. Gotta release on hyzer 🤣
So annoying to watch him putting it on anny every time.
@@Donderopmetjegebruikersnaam Hey Matty O makes it work
Yeah, and at the beginning of the video he says he has played disc golf "for a few years" so I kept waiting for him to adjust the angle. Also I don't think the mechanism was designed to provide an appropriate amount of spin.
Came here to say this.
Instead of throwing flat with a righthand backhand-like throw, the disc needs to sink down a little bit on the left side. Then it would make more of an S-turn and stay in the air for maximum time.
“It will either break your arm, or kill you.”
I mean, it could kill you as it breaks your arm
It will break your arm, and kill you! 😎
thanks a lot Isaac newton!
*Immediately after* “But I won’t go over 15%”
And/or wreck your workshop and/or your entire house. A lot of crashing noises from all around whenever it flings.
Super cool project! I wonder what would have happened if you set the machine to throw it on a hyzer angle instead of flat. When pros are throwing at fast speeds they will angle the disc sometimes up to 40 degrees to counteract the flipping and keep it flying flat for longer during the flight. Can't wait to see what you do with the next project!
This right here! you got to angle the disk so that the far end of the disk is below the grip at the release point!
I was wondering if he was going to figure out the floating disc curve. I used to play a lot of disc golf and our term for it was "S Curve". It's the only way to get long distances. I'm certain he would have gone much farther with the right disc throwing tilt/angle.. Humans also flick the disk at the last stage of a throw which I think might give more stabilization..
@@bwright7503 that’s the gyroscopic stabilization he mentioned for future improvements. More spin would definitely help
this is definitely important.. really wish he tried it with this angle
@@ngregoirenc yes. more spin fewer g's
I feel like you'll eventually end up building fallout style power armor to permanently get around problems like "this will break my arm" or "I won't have a head if this goes wrong"
And then the power armor goes wrong.
@@Wertsir exploding fusion cores
You mean armour that will make him into some sort of… iron man? 🤔
I really like how open you are about the problems you run into and the thought process to adjust, adjust, tweak, fix, try again.
20:38
I think that might be the most important plywood shield you've ever set up
You need to have it fire on an extreme hyzer angle. You’re shooting it on an anhyzer angle, which is no good when it’s firing them so fast. Also, try a “Tilt” disc. It’s the most overstable (wants to flip right the least) disc out there.
YES!!
If the disc is rolling… it needs to be launched in a position to counteract that roll. So about 80-90° CCW.
I hoped there might be a try at Side Arm… which for me, requires significantly less energy:distance ratio.
However, speed was the original goal, so not necessarily the best form for speed.
I was literally going to post this same thing with the Tilt as a disc selection. Good suggestion!
The mother of all hyzer flips
@@11olive11 yes throw the TILT
This was both of my suggestions
“I don’t have the right tool…”
*cue the montage where you simply just make the right tool.* So badass 😂
I’m glad you have ALL the skills to not only make a video, but to brake down the step by step Process of the mechanics behind your Invention! You inspire more than you realize.
The cancelling forces mechanism was sort of like attaching another gun with the barrel facing the shooter to cancel out the recoil.
Actually, that's what a compensator or muzzle brake does. It sends the energy escaping the muzzle, after the bullet left the muzzle in a different direction, mitigating the recoil. A muzzle brake literally takes all the energy contained in the barrel after the bullet has left the muzzle, and sends it back toward the shooter, albeit at a slight angle. So, while the bullet pushes the gun toward the shooter, the escaping energy pulls the gun forward, canceling the recoil quite a bit.
It also makes one hell of a noise, and it's the reason for those massive dust clouds seen when someone shoots from the ground with a muzzle brake installed on a big rifle.
The problem is that he put so much distance between the swing arm and the counteracting swinging weight. They needed to be very close to each other. To make it much safer the weight might have been a disc.
This was really fascinating to see all the variations and problems and engineer has to overcome!
Great work!!
Bro love the vids
Would love to see a part 2! Release angle is essential in controlling how much a disc wants to flip during flight. You are releasing a disc on an anhyzer and it just continues to flip all the way over. You can compensate for this by changing the angle to start on a hyzer, and it will flip up to a more stable flight. Called a “hyzer flip.” Spin also helps, but you covered how this could improve it :)
I was going to say this exactly. Tbh the fact that they're going the distance that they are on such a steep anhyzer angle is kinda wild.
Edit; I'd be interested to see him throw the DiscMania Tilt, the Discraft Captain's Raptor, or the Innova Max with this on anyhyzer, hyzer, and flat releases.
I'm not sure he can fix this with his current design.
The beauty of a human arm is 3 joints before the hand.
If you throw a disc with all fixed joints except for the shoulder, you won't be able to stabilise it.
I imagine he's thing about that already when he's talking about more spin (adding a wrist), but he still needs an elbow to adjust the release angle.
@@sqmsh No he can just set it up on a different angle
@@sqmsh your elbow isn't exactly what determines release angle though. I'm sure he can set the machine to release on a different angle, without too much of an issue.
@@name7892 that doesn't work.
Gyroscope and all that jazz.
Think about your arm without a wrist or an elbow trying to achieve the same thing.
You'll be better off, certainly. But you want a horizontal release plane, with a IO release angle to maximise your distance.
You can't do that with only one joint.
I love how the solution to the disc holder problem was basically just to make a hand analog that holds it in almost the same way a human would.
Yesss
Wow, this seems so challenging! On your final attempt, the disc came out of the slinger on “anhyzer” angle (disc golf term) which may be making the discs flip over faster. I’m curious what would happen if you released them on “hyzer” (angled down opposite the direction they flip over to)? That may help give you more distance! The pros certainly take advantage of that- wind can also cause discs to flip faster. So a tail wind may help again make the disc flip less and go further? Combine those two thoughts and MAYBE everything will break again somehow
This. I was practically screaming at the video "Change the angle to hyzer!!"
@@scottdotjazzman I was definitely doing the same thing. On hyzer it has a really good chance of crushing the distance record
Seriously. He definitely should have consulted someone who knows even a little bit about disc golf.
Distance records are all thrown on anhyzer though so maybe that's what he was going for. He just needs to thrown a Tilt with that angle
Yes, releasing it on a hyzer angle is key.
suggestion: generally throwing with the outside edge lower will be much less likely for it to flop to the right similarly to what happened there, instead it will stabilise and go much further.
I 2nd that!
Exactly what I was thinking, Give it some anhyzer
@@joshstroud1424 Hyzer is what you mean, sir.
Yep! He's throwing into the roll. If he lowers the edge, the roll will result in flattening, which will give lift, then roll back over.
Basically looking for an S curve.... he has an amazing roller angle tho!
Yeah, this looks like it would have to throw what's known as a 'hyzer flip' to succeed
21:52 my god that looks dangerous, Shane. The best way to avoid personal injury is to let someone else do it . We need more videos, don't get injured!
You are right we want more videos so dont get injured.
Or at least a gorget.
Sadly the Wife said no though so..
safety first
And his neck isnt even protected, if he got hit in his throat he could die
If you make a version 2.0 you should angle it down a good 30 degrees, if not more. The torque you’re putting out is going to turn any disc over, so counteract that by putting it on hyzer so it flips up to flat, not flip over into a barrel roll. Look up hyzer flip.
I would also suggest using a new disc- the fresh plastic makes it more stable and less resistant to turning over. Smashing it into the walls, boards, melons, etc break in the plastic and make it much softer or “weaker.”
Actually, just get Simon on the next video. He knows everything there is to know about dg, and it’ll probably triple your views too.
It’s crazy, the engineering you do is on another level! You actually solve really difficult (although whimsical) problems! Keep up the good work!
He's a genius lol
@@DyslexicMitochondria ur username made me click on ur profile. Ur channeI is a hidden gem bro
Does he have a masters degree?
@@siliconnitride7029 at least I'm sure, he worked professionally as engineer before doing this channel and going out on his own
He should be working for Lockheed Martin
Stuff Made Here: How can I protect my head when launching this disk?
Helmet with a disk sized gap near eyes: Pick me! Pick me!
In all honesty though, it is inspiring to see the thought process and hard work you put into your projects. God bless!
I’ve been playing disc golf for about 7 years now. The motion of the thrower looks good in my opinion but the angle at which your final set up is position is the problem with your distance. Let me explain. Throwing a disc right handed back hand (rhbh) naturally makes the disc want to turn left in its flight because physics. When throwing rhbh super hard it wants to turn over, as you explained, in a clockwise rotation when looking at the flight path of the disc. To compensate for this players will throw the disc from a hyzer release. You can look up hyzer vs anhyzer to have a visual aid but essentially a hyzer is the angle that the disc naturally wants to end at in its flight path and anhyzer is the opposite. Long story short, throwing the disc on a hyzer will help compensate for the clockwise rotation of the disc when it wants to turn over. Therefore you want to have the machine start the disc path at the same angle as this -> / so when it turns over it flips up to flat -> - instead of starting from flat and turning over to -> \. Does that make sense. I would love to chat with you more about this if you’d like because I think your machine has the potential to break the record without making your own disc or doing major modifications. Just need a little disc golf technique in the swing!
Other things that will help to counter turning over is a heavy disc (175g at least and buying a high stability disc. Aka, you want the 3rd number on the disc flight path numbers to be high, at least a 3. I hope all of this helps, I’d love to see a follow up video. Good luck!
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damn that's long
Knowledge dropped
Yep, was going to post something similar.
"I'm really tempted to create a solid metal disk, but it's very deadly"
DAWG AS IF THIS WHOLE PROJECT ISNT DEADLY ENOUGH--
Then you just paint it like Captain America’s shield and you’re a superhero! Or villain…
When it hit that table he was hiding behind, I was so thankful that he took at least some precautions there. But I was terrified every time he wore it; it looks terrifying.
bro built the Arm Shredder 3000 but is scared of a metal disk
What I learned at work: Our cranes have 4x the safety. So if it is rated for 4 tonnes it actually can lift 16 tonnes but due to safety regulations it will switch itself off if there's more than 4 tonnes on there. AND THIS GUY RUNS THE AIR PISTON AT 6X OUTSIDE ITS SAFETY REGULATION. Subscribe to this madman!
Yes, but he also has the know how to assess the material to make sure it's good
@@spruce1509 Safety factor isn't about knowledge, it's about preventing failure in unexpected conditions. In the example of the crane OP mentions, maybe it can lift 16 tonnes under perfect conditions, but say the rigging is off or it's windy, and that weight starts to move.... Well, now you have a collapsed crane.
As for assessing materials... you can't account for everything.
The reason he's okay with overloading the piston is that he isn't putting anyone's life the way of the machine. That's why he only used it manually at really low power, and goes behind cover when he ramps it up.
@@ssholum oh absolutely! What I meant was that at least he's done some form of assessment and hasn't just decided it'll do at random
This project is outstanding! Well done! 👏😌
Love your saying “the journey is the destination”.
Hi! Nice to see you here
Yeah he that launcher is amazing and i also love that saying.
This saying should be a shirt at the shop.
in Germany we also use the saying. it's "der Weg ist das Ziel" in our language. i think it's a great quote to live by
This was unexpectedly hilarious! I've always loved how you show your design iteration process, but together with the dry humor and the sheer slapstick of the robot exploding and throwing frisbees into your workshop the video becomes a mix of technology and comedy! I laughed a lot!
Watching these videos while I study for finals, studying mechanical engineering has really made me appreciate the hard work engineers put into making systems safe.
whoa, same bro.
I think you might be watching the wrong engineer for safety tips! 😂
Having this guy's sleep schedule has made me see it on release
Shane, this is one of my favorite projects from you in a while! Fantastic work.
IT is weird indeed. Everywhere I comment, people tell me how much they love me and my content. Sometimes IT is annoying. But right now, IT would be okay. So say something nice about my content, dear lou
Haha who cares about disc golf 😂
I like how this thing went through a quasi-natural evolution process - it shed unnecessary parts, but there are some vestigial reminders that point to those parts existing in previous generations
Excellent analogy!
Watching things like this confirm evolution as a theory but also make me question it and I am by no means religious. Titanium, carbon fiber, intelligent designer, many generations of precise testing vs muscles and bones made mostly of water, proteins, and calcium after many generations of random genetic mutations? Yet in my opinion, the human arm still wins by a landslide. It is clearly more elegant in appearance and far more precise, even if it is not able get the speed achieved by the machine. Not to mention the arm can do several hundred different tasks while most machines designed to beat humans in a task can only do the specific task it is designed for. I’m not shitting on evolution, but it makes me wonder if there was in fact an architect of the human body and the architect was someone or something which was far more advanced than we are now. Or if it is evolution, that someone or something has stacked the odds in our favor. Sorry for rambling, but your analogy to evolution really made me think about how lucky we got as a species to exist while earth is still so young. Great point though.
@@meyjor I wouldn't go as far as to say this confirms evolution theory XD.
I said "quasi" for a reason, it's not actual evolution process, it just coincidentally looks similar :)
@@meyjor if we had an intelligent designer they would have taken the appendix out ahead of time I’d think.
@Dylan B I don't disagree. I guess since humans are only 10,000 or so years old, we don't know if in a million years the random genetic mutation of people born without an appendix will be able wipe out those with an appendix, or the random genetic mutation giving the appendix the purpose of special enzyme secretion that allows us to become telepathic will happen. Stay tuned to find out.
17:41 the sound of that thing hitting every object in your garage is hilarious :D
"This disk IS regulation"
"This part is too big to fail"
"... which is a perfect use for this valve that I thought was useless"
Gold! Pure gold!
Love all the engineering. I've used a clay bird thrower for shooting practice and that's where I would have started. The long throwing arm gives the disc a surface to roll and get better rotation before launch. Probably would be a heavy design.
I immediately thought of a hand thrower for clay pigeons. Scaling up and improving that design would have been a quicker solution.
You should try this with an Aerobee. That thing might not land for a year.
You don't know how much something like this is needed in disc golf, with technologies like this we can actually test discs and put them on a more uniform standard regarding flight numbers etc.
Need to get over to NASAs wind tunnel :)
Why not redesign the machine used to test golf clubs? Something of that stature is about the only thing that can mimic human behavior.
It's really cool. Like he mentioned near the end, when discussing world records., I imagine he'd have to change it up to get a similar amount of rotation and gyroscopic stability, though, which probably means another, more human-like release mechanism.
The amount that it's turning over in the video is interesting. Would have been interesting to see it throw something like Tilt. But maybe a 9-speed would've died anyways.
Not an expert.
Seems to me the simplest thing may be to redesign the pitching machine, make it horizontal. the speed difference between the 2 wheels would govern the spin. would be consistent and repeatable.
i think with this, we're one step closer to having those classic bionicle disc launchers for real people.
what a world we live in
yeeeeah! just pinch the disk like a kanoka launcher.
vakama is somewhere going positively ape mode watching this
Predator
This actually does have commercial viability as well if you were interested. Companies literally just go throw the discs they make and make up all those numbers on the disc. It's pretty hard for a human to consistently throw the same speed and same angle over and over again. Disc manufacturers would definitely be interested in something that can throw consistently like this.
Wouldn't a clay pigeon launcher work just as well?
@@marcz2903 isn't it the other way around? If refined, it could make for an amazing clay pigeon launcher?
@@brag0001 clay pigeon launchers already exist and they work. There's no need to reinvent them.
@@marcz2903 I know, I'm a regular viewer of a channel that's even presenting historical ones.
This one would allow for a completely different kind of design of the disc, different angles and distances.
Most stuff already exists, but there is always room for improvement ...
@@brag0001 oh I see what you mean. Yeah there may be a market for that.
The arm Says NO 20:25
Have you looked at the spring powered clay pidgeon launchers at sporting goods stores? They look similar. Simpler without the arm breaking or death features 😇
Would be more accurate BC they aren't torquing around destabilizing the disk before it's thrown
Came here thinking the same thing. Clay machines generate spin by sliding the clay along a track prior to release
I like how he stuck with the principle of a rotating arm. I probably would have looked into a more direct linear launch after the first few prototypes
Came to say the same. I love his videos, especially the fact he shows his working through the iterative process of prototyping. This build though I found myself trying to talk to the screen pointing out he was reinventing a wheel that already works very well.
XD
He back baby, editing until past night to give us a video
This was really fascinating to see all the variations and problems and engineer has to overcome!
Great work!!
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He, like myself, is the rarity, a machinist moonlighting as an engineer or vice-versa/either-or/Ying-Yang...
(waddle waddle bing bang).
I tinker, limited resources equte to limited tinkering, sadly.
Speaking on your final comment in the video on learning and taking the initiative, I just started finishing my high school education at 25 after a long illness, I am very excited to see where life takes me!
I'm so glad he keeps having his wife on the show. She's so funny.
Easy on the ears, too.
She's really not
Easily, with a look of "no".
comedic relief and she is CUTE, thats why
@@carlbutts6663 no she isn't
I just realized that this problem is basically the same one that clay pigeon traps (throwers) are made for. C&rsenal has a fun series of videos called "It's a Trap!" where they go into a bunch of vintage clay pigeon traps with different mechanisms. I wonder if some of those could be cool inspiration for another version of this?
My exact thought
First thing I thought of. Reinventing the wheel a bit, I thought.
Hope he sees this comment!
Thought the same thing. Should have looked through the comments before I commented.
Came looking for this same comment. A scaled up version of a hand thrower seems like an obvious route to explore further. A hand thrower on an old golf shaft will launch a pigeon!
Nothing like a new insane project from SMH to start the week right!
*month
13:20 Imagine that death message, “killed by insane disc contraption”
LMFAO
Your comment about “spin” at 23:30 is something I had been wondering about from the very beginning. None of your early designs seem to provide that type of energy as the disc launches. You are basically ( but not entirely) throwing a knuckle ball. 🙂 Your ideas and execution are fascinating and I applaud your efforts. Thanks for sharing. Oh, I entirely love your wife’s deadpan sense of humor. She’s hilarious! You two are a great team!
I wonder if simply using a roller system on the latch release would allow the disc to spin out rather than launching out. Would be a simple first test to see if it would work.
"I think it would help if I held it."
"Do you want to hold it?"
"No."
wife is why i watch
This is the crossover I have literally obsessed over for years. You need something like a Flick, Tilt, or Latitude 64 Stiletto to stand up to speeds like those. Some people have even modified discs by reshaping with heat to make even more stable molds than any that are currently sold. Flattening the flight plate and outer rim into a single plane can cause some incredibly stable discs. Perhaps keeping the flipping edge angled down in a hyzer release would help get a better flight path as well. If you need any tips on disc design I can give some insight to how each design element can affect flight, but I find it's mostly intuitive if you're overly familiar with free bodies and basic classical mechanics.
Having it be thrown on hyper would probably have the greatest impact on the machine. Also it would be very interesting to see if the Tilt could be useful in this situation.
Needs to try the hyser flip
From what I could tell, the discs launched in the field were being released on an anhyzer angle, like clock arms pointing at 10 and 4. This would cause highly stable distance drivers to flip over almost immediately. Releasing from the opposite angle (hyzer) should allow the disc to flip up, fly flat, and then return to it’s original angle when falling. This would be like clock arms pointing at 2 and 8. This is the case for the machine, which launches the discs like a right-handed backhand, but would be different for other throws. Hope this helps!
Exactly what I was thinking (but in less cool words). Would love to see it thrown at a release angle around 7 or 8 o'clock!
Bet it would go for miles
Spot on analysis. Google hyzer flip.
I knew someone already beat me to it. Thanks.
I was going to mention the anhyzer release angle too, would definitely prefer to see it released on a low hyzer angle
Love throwing hyzer flips.
Would spinning a wheel with a potentially spinning release mechanism be potentially more effective?
I think you got it! that's exactly what I was going to comment on
As soon as you did the “hey wife” part, I knew that a skinny rod was coming. Still made me chuckle though.
She never misses an opportunity to emasculate him.
@@roccobierman4985 I think you should study this thing called "humor".
@@roccobierman4985 lol who hurt u rocco
Amazing work. Your problem with turn can possibly be fixed by putting the arm on a "hyzer" angle - having the left side of the disc angeled downward. The speed will naturally make the disc "stand up" and go to the right. In disc golf we call this hyzer flipping.
I came to the comments to say exactly that.
and use the Tilt
Yep. At 23:00 the quick cut of "all of the discs in all of the configurations" appears to only either launch the discs flat or angle the arm the wrong way. That quick montage immediately jumped out to me as throwing it wrong
Exactly, you need to allow a pre tilt so it doesn't turn completely over.
I was literally yelling “Throw on hyzer!” at the video. 🤣
This is actually a really interesting project, because I think a uniform throwing robot is one of the things that would take the disc design and manufacture process to the next level. You could actually see the flight numbers unified between brands, and the various plastics/runs of molds quantified in how they differed from the original run.
This was a great idea! I would love to see you beat the distance record with it. I am a disc golfer and here are some things I noticed. So, you pointed out that you are using over stable disc this is good to reduce roll over like you are getting. The launcher is releasing the disc at an anhyzer angle which in turn will have the disk roll over. The max speed of current disc's is 14-15 I suggest using one of those that is over stable last two number 0,4 and releasing at more of a hyzer angle. The power behind the arm will force the disc flat and you will get more distance. Hope this helps would really love to see this succeed!
Exactly what I came here to say! So cool
I agree with this comment. If you tilted the disc in the opposite direction (left side down, right side up, relative to the travel direction) then you would get a much better flight and would have easily beat the women's record, and "Wife" could have a brand new trophy on the wall. I also agree with your assessment for putting more spin on the disc would help. I have an idea for a mechanism to do this ( I have been thinking about building a machine to throw discs too!) that mimics the human wrist. Essentially, it is loosely attached on the arm and pivots freely, as the disc is accelerated, it will pull outward by centrifugal force, but when the disc gets enough velocity and inertia, it will start to pull the pivot point forward (I think) and this will enable a mechanical trigger that pulls a pin holding onto the rim of the disc downward, releasing the disc (very similar to v2 of your mechanism). It may be a total failure, but will be fun to try!
Holy hell I would *LOVE* to see this machine launching a hyzer flip for distance....
It’s amazing that you made a backboard that will move anywhere to catch a basketball in a 3D space, and you seemed to have less struggle figuring that out than creating a machine that throws a frisbee. I envy your skills, resources, time, and knowledge to do both.
The problem you need to solve are different. For the 3D moving hoop, the problems are mostly in software, the hardware is easy enough. For this, all the problems are in hardware. Hardware is usually more difficult to deal with than software. (Re: Integration Hell)
Nice job. You demonstrated as much patience as talent on this one. Good call not holding it. I always wanted to make something like this for launching golf balls. Top Golf....here I come.
Golf balls are pretty good projectiles. Hard to beat an air cannon.
If you haven't already, you should check out the older videos on his channel. He has an automatic golf club, though it's focusing on increasing accuracy rather than insane power. His bat, on the other hand, that's focused on power...
0:41 "This ended up being my most labor-intensive project, ever." Watching your videos, it looks like you could say this about all of your projects :)
7:47 It looks exactly like transistors in Darlington configuration. I love when electronics and pneumatics are so similar!
You don't realize how much trial and error went into designing and engineering the technology we have, until you try to build something yourself. What seems obvious afterwards, like the wind shield for the disc, can be easily overlooked because of all the other potential problems. I really like that you don't just show the finished product, but instead as you said it "the journey is the destination".
The next project will always be the most difficult project if you are constantly trying to improve your skills
omggg this moment is sending me 4:16
who tf do they let use this account
The funny thing is, there's a weapon in Xenoblade 3 which is _literally_ just this.
I think that's incredible.
Hey Shane, passionate disc golf flight enthusiast here! There are a few reasons why your disc is behaving that way:
1. You're correct in that more spin = more better. Spin not only makes the disk fly A LOT further because of increased glide, it also mitigates any off-axis torque introduced by the machine, which will cause a disc to want to turn to the right.
2. As others have said, if your disc has this lack of spin and increased off-axis torque, you will want to give it the max opportunity to combat this tendancy to turn right by mirroring your release angle. But if it's doing barrel rolls to the right, this won't be enough, which is why,
4. You need the appropriate disc that has an absurd tendency to the left to counteract this. This disc would have a high speed rating (13-15) and maximum overstability (turn rating of 0 or greater). Examples are Innova Max / Ape, Discraft Nuke OS, or Latitude 64 Stilleto) If you want, hit me up and I can send you a few of these. Great vid man!
Agreed. The speed of disc I believe he needs is around a 17. A super Overstable disc thrown on a good hyzer with this machine might "flip to flat."
Also should be noted that it flings it in a circle instead of pulling the disc in a straight line. Discs are supposed to turn over, not flip all the way around. A disc golf swing is a straight line, this machine is throwing thumbers
@@scottdalton1205 we don’t really throw in a straight line. I understand that is what is taught as good practice to give people to minimize rounding, but If you can find slo motion footage of someone throwing from over their head you can see it is actually an arc path as the elbow extends.
@@scottdalton1205 I think the issue with rounding for humans is that it isn't the most efficient way for our body to accelerate the disc, but our bodies are free-standing, impact-absorbent, and versatile and reactive enough to adjust between throws or even in the middle of one. I think trying to design a mechanical arm that accelerates the disc in a straight line would introduce an astronomical amount of design challenge, and the fact that he's turning and burning Nukes at 550' with the current design means he's most likely onto something anyways. He needs to use a more stable disc, which has a limit within the PDGA regulations; you can only make something that flies with a certain amount of overstability while keeping within the max weight and rim parameters. A disc that pushes those limits just isn't practical for humans to use, but I think the machine he has designed is absolutely capable of getting maximum distance with a parametrically maxed-out regulation golf disc.
@@Aphletic Agreed we throw in an arc. But I'm having a hard time coming up with an idea to put more RPMs on it. Maybe the key is finding a way to decelerate the inside of the disc as it's coming out. It might be as easy as putting a lot of high-friction material in the holder to separate angular velocity from linear velocity. 🤔
As a disc golf brand focused on the future of the sport, this is incredibly exciting! 👏
Figured I'd catch you here lmao
This is a perfect prequel to a collaboration with Simon! - and a perfect challenge for the Tilt!
17:43 the sound of sheer chaos and you getting up all calm like “huh that’s weird” got me
Your acting is pretty convincing, but the real MVP is the lady who plays your wife on this show. She's definitely the best character.
I love how as he goes through this he just gets closer and closer to how a human arm throws and releases a disc
Biomimicry
24:00 You dont need to. You just declare yourself as woman and no one could challenge you.
Twitter liked that
I just love how you show every iteration, wheather it be a failure or success. Im literally binge watching
I love that you effectively made a pneumatic transistor-transistor amplifier setup (little valve drives big valve)!~
Would have loved to see it throw a discmania Tilt (most over stable disc ever manufactured) on a hyzer angle at the 75% power. That wouldn’t flip no matter how much torque and speed you put on it.
so true
I would definitely like to see this. It looked like the releases were all anhyzer, which could have been a major contributor to the discs flipping over. Tilt on hyzer release would be so cool to see on this machine.
Oh it would flip just that it might flip a lot slower. That machine needs a disc with a massive rim.
"I couldn't have hit more things if I tried" really got me laughing. As well as the "I think by now you know the drill" as he shows an image of his drill.
Irl Bionic Boomer
Awesome project as always. These are two of my favorite things. The whole time I watched this I was hoping you would figure out that you need more spin on the disc. You can make a high powered clay pigeon launcher that fits a disc. Also, look into "hyzer flip" if you get the angle right then you will definitely throw it really far. I bet you could reach 1000 feet. I'm looking forward to see the next version!
I was wondering how much rpm of the disc was effecting the distance. I have a clay thrower and it imparts a good amount of spin, I assume to stabilize the clay in flight.
You need a disc called the “Tilt” which was actually specially designed by Simon Lizotte! It’s the most “stable” disc on the market
It probably wouldn't get good distance but would prevent the disc from flipping over. I would LOVE to see if he could flip the Tilt though!
Stiletto would probably be awesome to try too!
@@dust-yo Ya could be good for distance. It is much easier to flip than the Tilt though, Tested the two with all kinds of shots, Tilt is much more overstable.
I think colossus might be good for distance, might just have to release on a sharp hyzer to flip to flat.
Oh man, I have been wanting to get Destin's attention to look into slow mo mechanics of disc flight to better understand flight ratings, design, and the impact of throw mechanics. Looks like you guys need to do another collab!
I think he could use a real disc golfer to collab as well to swiftly correct the beginner mistakes (like adding more anhyzer when the problem is too much turn?! Put that on a hyzer flip line).
@@JoeyTemme I'm sure there are plenty of players/brands that would love to get involved. This is huge exposure for the sport.
Hate to break this to you but, the fastest throw was by Louis Sebastian in 2009. The frisbee circled the world at ~1,067,190 MPH. You can find the video here on TH-cam.
I think this is my favorite video of yours so far - fascinating and hilarious! I looked up at the thinning lunchroom and only then realized it had been a half hour…
Aside from the spectacle and wanting to make a more “human” thrower (which I 100% appreciate), do you foresee issues with a pitching machine type launcher with a flat friction plate on one side and a compliant wheel/belt system on the other to impart speed and spin? Those were really popular in FRC robots a few years back to throw regular frisbees.
I’d be really interested to see if that family of designs has an upper limit when subjected to absurd g forces like your first many generations of gripper.
I think looking at sporting clays traps for ideas might pose some benefits as well.
Though perhaps the frisbee isn't stiff enough and/or heavy enough to use them?
Not really a throw if it's launched via a wheel.
This is a throw.
FRC students assemble
Ahh, you started to describe it and I jumped ahead to the Ultimate Ascent year. Our robot only climbed though (strategy oversight, thought it would be more valuable) but we did prototype launchers.
I loved the "air relay" you built, works exactly like an electrical one
you have a old youtube account congrats!
@@spazycat1790 2006 gang!
I wasn't born 2006 lmao
@@merlin9831 I'm talking about the year of the TH-cam account creation.
This video was 30 mins of watching someone who has never seen a clay pigeon launcher try to re-invent the clay pigeon launcher but in the most complicated overly engineered way possible.
Glad you got it working.
- And I loved every minute of it. Cause, Hell or High Water, he had persevered and made it work!
24:02 local engineer learns that his wife is a woman
None oh his videos have less than 5 millions views. His content quality is outstanding. This guy is dangerously genius. He's the most complete engineer i've ever seen on my TH-cam watch history
Colin Furze enters the chat
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complete is a good way of putting it. his breadth of knowledge is insane
@@tsunamitube3351 I’m a huge fan of Colin but his engineering is sub par compared to this channel
Yeah he is one of the best. Check out DIY Perks, he’s also great
Well he is also loaded...
Most engineers don't have CNC machines to play with in their home, We barely have a wrench at home.
Love love love this!!! You should totally do a second attempt at it.
As a side note, all discs will turn and burn when thrown over their designed speed (not including wind conditions). Considering the extremely fast release you would get better results if you launched the disc on an extreme hyzer angle. In your field shots every angle that was used was either flat or anhyzer, and the anhyzer would encourage the disc to flip over and burn even faster. There a good amount of content if you search for "disc golf physics" to get more info =)
This
Definitely try this.
I was WAITING for him to launch one on a vertical hyzer. Might have gone stupid far if it ever came out of the flip haha
This was my immediate thought as well.
hehe, had another thought... this might be what the Tilt was made for =) I would love to see a Tilt launched out of this thing!!
I've played disc gold for about 8 years now and this is soo amazing!. The engineer in me loves this! Tip would be to make sure you have the higher speed disc (13/14 - first number on flight numbers) and also one that has a high stability (3/4 - last number listed in the flight numbers). The other big thing is your release angle. At your high speeds, i would try releasing on a "hyzer" angle which is around a 45 degree angle. This gives the disc more room to not flip over into a barrel roll. New subscriber here!
"Stability" a combination of the last 2 numbers. The 3rd number being high speed stability and the last number being low speed stability.
speed ends up not mattering as much its more important for stability. Simon Lizottes Tilt would probably work, thats probably the only disc that would work because his others were doing skomahawks.
@Temkef it was throwing everything on anny. Throwing a nukeos like GG throws katanas (way up in the air on hyzer) would be a good starting point and then dial the release angle up until a good full flight is realized.
@@gannonolson6294 yes ofc, but they are doing skomahawks so even if he puts it on a spike hyzer angle it’s still gonna roll.
@@temkef6124 that doesn’t mean it wasn’t infuriating seeing every throw on anny and not on hyzer
Should of looked at the clay pigeon throwers and started with a similar concept. Love your content!
made my day seeing three of my favorite things in this video! your brilliant build, disc golf, and Simon Lizotte! it's really incredible how capable a human is at a task like throwing a disc. the long straight pull on one edge of the rim combined with the whip at the end is key! I'll bet you could get Simon in the next video if you invite him!
Agreed, the whip at the end is key. The problem is the G forces are applied immediately instead slowly increasing in ratio to the size and weight of the disk.
Simon needs to send him a tilt I think it would work with speeds he is using
i was also thinking maybe using an offset axle position on the drive sprocket could help the acceleration burst from the air have more leverage to start and more speed at the end.
18:26 slowmo shots of parts of your creation are insanely good, should definitely include more of those next time!!
I am so glad that you are receiving enough recognition to do this as a full-time job! You are a super talented engineer and absolutely deserve it!
15:23 i like how you tethered the metal part through the carbon fiber just like F1 does with their tires so if the suspension breaks they dont fly off and bounce into the public or the marshalls, or other driving cars.
The frisbee has a tendency to curve left or right, depending on how it is held, it has to be released at an
angle to fly in a flat "S" curve. Tilt the machine to the left.
exactly. drop the left side of the machine by 30°and it will fly a lot farther.
this could be a record breaking mod to the setup
Came here to say this. The machine is turning everything into roller shots because the angle of release is anhyzer in seemingly every shot. Throw a hyzer!
It def needs more spin too