Bang for the Buck Z97 Motherboard Showdown Part 1 - Physical Overview
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- There are a bunch of great motherboards available for right around $100 nowadays, and in this series we intend to break down the differences between a few of them. First up, the physical overview.
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Holy god dat nearly full-minute outro XD. Otherwise, great video as always!
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I wonder why everyone is surprised about ant being here... SO WHAT... TH-camrs also watch other youtubers... some youtubers like tech...
WHAAAT!? Ant! :D
Wasn't expecting the crunchyroll advertisement lol
IKR!
Yeah, I know. I actually got it (again) because I kept thinking about it all month.
I just keep using sponsorship trials and have got over 4 months free :D
Could you talk about onboard audio for the motherboards? Most people who are getting $100 motherboards aren't getting sound cards, so onboard audio will have to suffice.
Most onboard audio solutions on modern motherboards are perfectly fine for most people.
But I want my onboard audio to be separated from outside signals to get pure audio
I see. What I did personally was I bought a cheap $50 USB DAC. Biggest reason was so I can use my Rockit 5 speakers with RCA cables :)
Basically it goes like this: If you have a modern day standard mobo, its onboard audio is much better than most people think, onboard audio > cheap audiocard.
you can get a sound card or whatever.
"Ask your buddies" Hahahaa.... What buddies.... sigh..
I disagree with the USB part. I can easily use 7 or 8 at a time so I'm sure there are people who can use 10.
But not 7 to 8 USB 3.0.
I am pretty sure that in the most cases USB 2.0 was enough for you.
I'd be curious to know how in the world you have 8 usb devices to use at once..
1.Keyboard
2.Keyboard passthrough
3.Mouse
4.Hard drive
5.wifi adapter
Unless you have a bunch of those usb toys from think geek, which you should probably use a hub for.
IrgendEineZecke You don't know me! :-)
hmmm ... what have I got hooked up ...
1. keyboard
2. mouse
3. printer
4. scanner
5. flight stick (HOTAS)
6. throttle (HOTAS)
7. USB stick
Yep, 7. And with only one (no. 7) of them it makes any sense at all to be using USB 3.0
And then there are USB phone chargers, USB audio devices like headphones or speakers that some people use, game controllers, etc.
***** things like USB sticks, webcam, game controller, USB headphones, phone charger, studio microphones i use 11 USB ports everyday
Me:one motherboard
shopkeeper: which one ??
Me: cheap one
*Shopkeeper picks the brand new MSI Carbon X99 Extreme*
*Grabs motherboard and runs*
shadow gremory dayumn.......
Junkies Tv they will never know
shadow gremory wtf
AsRock mobos are underrated. Built my first ever PC with an ASrock Z77 pro 4 and it was about £75 with cross fire and sli compatibility. Really nice board. Hasn't let me down and the OC menu and bios is simple and effective
What I've heard is that AsRock boards are good, but their customer support is "Fuck you, talk to the vendor". So I'm really scared to buy anything from them.
Mines rock solid and I love it
ASRock is a really solid brand these days. They offer a good balance between price and features.
I have an 990FX Killer board, and despite being somehow underrated on the internet as having hot VRM, high failrate, it's been running OCed for 6 months now and it's really really stable. I never encountered a BSOD caused by drivers(in fact, i never got random BSODs, i had some when overclocking, which is normal if the settings were not correct), all the features are working as intended.
Now the marketing part(Killer NIC and Purity Sound) are ok, but they shouldn't be the reason to buy a motherboard.
Looking at the visual features Luke presented in this video, you can clearly see that the ASRock board has all the things you would want from a "budget board".
I'm really pleased with ASRock's products. I don't know about their customer service since i haven't needed it yet. All the info i needed is well structured on their website, guides on BIOS upgrading, drivers installing and troubleshooting are also their. In a way, it feels like they were a sub-division for ASUS in the past.
Amen..totally agree
Yes, ASRock delivers very good hardware value for money, but their software and UEFI are generally a bit less advanced and polished compared to the competition.
19 secs and already comments?
They gotta be first, no matter what
Videos go on the LTT forums before being public.
You should have covered the VRM count of each board ,that is the first thing I check for .......................
Not as important as you'd think. The design of each phase is as important as the number of them.
LinusTechTips I've never seen linus reply to a comment before :OO
LinusTechTips Okay thanks , its just a personal thingy of mine as I once bought a board long ago and couldn`t overclock the cpu as I wanted ,this was when I was just learning to build lol , Have a great day out in Van ,Its cold here in the Chillywack lol ..
OresAndMetals Gaming He replies to many comments.
4 IR3553 is better than 12(x3) D-PAK MOSFETs by a large margin.With that said,however,the Gigabyte one clearly is the loser here because they are only using SiRA12s,nowhere amazing stuff.The Asrock however,uses TI NexFETs which is much better,while having more phases.Teh Asus likely uses some LF-PAK thing.
"unobtanium" where is that in the periodic table?
you cant get it, youre not rich enough
just at the bottom that writes girlfriend
I think that was from the movie Avatar, the minerals under that giant-ass tree.
g0os1e Technically there was unobtanium all over Pandora just the biggest vein of unobtanium was under the nave's home tree.
dragonrider58 Had to think there for a moment, I was just playing Borderlands and was like, "u mean iridium right." lol
Do Bang For The Buck X99 mobo showdown. :D
i don't there is a "bang for the buck" X99 right now lol
Steven Tomas MSI X99 SLI duh 219.99
Nothing about X99 is "bang for the buck" at all!
Steven Tomas MSI X99S SLI Plus.
alaskanhybrid even with a "bang for buck" board the 5820k is like £300 so bang for back buck is pretty difficult
Is this a good build?
Processor: AMD Vision
Chicken: 3 lb boneless skinless
Potatoes: 2 large peeled
1/2 lb cheddar cheese
salt to flavor
Can you overclock the chicken on that cheese platform?
Yes just make sure that you get DDR4 potato peelers and not DDR3
What if my only friend is my computer then who do I ask
Google
Where does Luke get off just growing facial hair like that? Everybody knows that if you want to grow a mustache you have to leave for a short period of time, and then suddenly return with full mutton-chops, acting completely nonchalant as if you've had them the whole time. I think this might be something that should be settled on the forums.
" Zed " 97. Yeah.
He's Canadian.
I wish you guys made a mobo quality comparison, as in how good and reliable are a given manufacturer's motherboards. The quality of the capacitors, the soldering, thermal compounds under heat spreaders, durability of any plastic materials, contacts, pins and their gold coating or whatever, how much voltage the circuitry, power section and chips can take, how many faulty units are being sold - that sorts of stuff. We all have our own opinions on certain manufacturers, they're mostly results of years of experience with mobos, but it's finally time to back them up with some legitimate tests. Sadly, it's not gonna happen, that would've been too time consuming, too expensive, since that kinda requires damaging a few recent identical motherboards or finally impossible in case of certain components.
Simple. Only buy Asus Corsair and EVGA. You're rig will thank you.
Obviously, my opinion is truth.
:)
But none of those companies make cpus?
st0rm Get Intel for the pprocessor:)
For z97,Asrock and MSI are fine too,not gigabyte though.Z87,Gigabyte And Asus are the best choice.EVGA boards sucked before,at least their x79 boards still sucked,dunno about now.
Thank you for the series I’m actually starting to make my first custom PC and this was a great help I only have a budget of 500$ but it’s going to take all of 2018 to get that spear money
when i build my pc i checked the motherboard for some basic features:
- CPU socket
- RAM support
- number of SATA slots
- number and location of fan slots
- location of PCIe additional power (sometimes its in a weird spot in the middle of the board.... wtf c_c )
- in general all plug locations
No, really!
***** Oh crap, how do you check the wattage of the motherboard and the cpu? Do they absolutely have to be the same wattage?
***** Right c.c now i remember why i quickly skipped considering AMD... the heat output was way too much of an issue...
While i was researching the FX 8350 i came across stories of people who had fried the CPU socket of the motherboard.... ugh...
***** Oh alright. Thank you. This might save my ass in the future. lol
***** I once tried to repair an quad Xeon server... meltdown!
The S10000 in the back was fine^^
I'd love for them to do a comparison like this for AMD am3+ boards. From what I've heard and experienced a good am3+ board can either give you an incredible overclocking experience, or kneecap you really quick.
More AMD content in general would be kinda nice. At lower price points like i3s and such they normally win, and with better threading support on next gen games we may see FX cpus get life breathed into them again.
Crysis 3 was a great example of a game that really used FX processors well. All 6 cores used and balanced very well. If I remember correctly the FX 6350 actually scored higher in benchmarks with crysis 3 than some i5s.
Anyway, I know Intel is overall better, but just a little bit of content focused on us guys still stuck with the am3+ and fm sockets would be nice. =]
Keep up the good work Linus!
Are his fingernails painted?
***** its gay , you can name it as you want...also shaving your legs .... gay
Bill Beis You say that like it's inherently wrong, which it's not.
Bill Beis your point being?
ThePylonConstructor well im not pointing fingers or something, if someone is gay its ok , im not a savage , but its not in my aesthetics to see something like that to a man and not make fun of it ...sorry XD
did i say that? did i bash a swimmer? no , look man i dont follow shitty trends and im sure no one can stop me from criticizing that metrosexual shit that going around...sorry , men should not care about body hair (except if its excessive) and for sure not going to beauty parlor to polish their nails and put mascaras and shit...ffs should we all go back to glam rock look too? women do their shit and we do ours
LinusTechTips Techquickie I would LOVE to see motherboard durability, & thermal resistance, from either boiling hot rooms (85-100+ F') to cold, (45-50 F') giving a test for places that wouldn't have the AC to level a room tempature out (considering a value build system)
ha ha I have 12 HDD plugged into my rig... I could never have enough Sata ports...
Stop it, get some help
help??? data is important.. the more Space the more data I can store.. simple math..
How big are those things, 500gb? If you have twelve 1TB drives or more in your rig you might as well get a NAS
I have a Windows 2008 r2 Server which is packing 21+ TB
my gaming right is packing a rough est of 13TB and its all for gaming drives.. Every single one of my "digital" games are downloaded and ready to play at any given time...
I left my pc off for 11 days once.. came back and steam alone had 732 Updates waiting , 1/3 of my steam library apparently had gotten updates over 11 days.,,
I mean if you need 13 TB of games on demand at all times then you do yo thing mate
soooo your telling me that i went overboard with a ASUS MAXIMUS VII FORMULA??
pcpartpicker.com/b/7jLD4D
ive noticed in some games it performs better than it used too with the asrock z87 extreme4
Building my pc soon, any tips?
What kind of tips do you want?
***** EVGA Air Hadron :) Their 1. case and Linus has a review or unboxing of it. And Fractal Design, Corsair, Zalman, NZXT, be quiet! also make great cases and be quiet! also makes really great PSUs
tip: Go to linustechtips forum and check out the awesome builds.
***** I've already got my parts and just wanted some tips about building and what not to do but thanks :-)
Its not really hard to build. Its like a if it fits there it goes there. My friend built his first PC yesterday and got it done in a hour.
PLEASE, take note!
I heard that the Gigabyte Z97 mobos have voltage delivery issues regarding the i7 4790K CPUs. I don't know if this issue affects all Z97 GA mobos, but the majority of people (including me) had this problem with the Z97X-UD5H model.
The issue basically is that with the default settings in the BIOS, CPU receives cca 1.4V when in BIOS. Once the Turbo Boost kicks in, the frequency goes up to 4.4GHz but the voltage is again set to 1.4V+ which makes the CPU very hot (getting 80C+ within seconds). Random PC reboots without BSOD will occur as a result of overheating (even with aftermarket coolers, such as NH-U14S). This problem was solved for me with flashing the BIOS to the newest version (F8 for the UD5H). Just look for the one with the caption "Improve Intel K-sku CPU performance".
Cheers! Happy shopping :)
ya... i dont like MSI any more.
my 1090t at 4ghz makes my VRM get WAY to hot....its not out of spec, but its the hottest part in my system.
and MSI has a history of using shit VRM components on their boards. (on a list of ALL failed AMD mobos, MSI toped the chart for VRM failure)
"oh, will you just hate MSI".... no, i dont.... i built 20 computers with MSI mobos... and i run a MSI lightning 6970 and an MSI mobo personally....
but i dont like the fan controls (unless you boot up control center EVERY time... your fan speeds will re-set. and the BIOS controls dont work right...
also... under load my voltages go up by .2 volts.... so overclocking is hard unless you want to feed it .2 extra volts when shit gets real.
If ASUS board didn't support SLI, why does it include bridge?
Still on Z97 in 2020. It's definitely starting to show it's age but my rig can still hit 60FPS on high in most games at 1080p! i7-4790k, GTX 980 Ti, 32GB DDR3-1600 and 2 SSDs in RAID 0 on the Gigabyte Z97X Gaming 7
The amount of time spent advertising the youtube channel itself, the forum, the amazon kick back and the sponsors is just too much.
I get that you need to do all of that, and I don't think you should stop. But TWO full minutes at the end of the video, of an only 8 minute long video, had nothing to do with the video itself. Advertising and being completely off topic for 25% of the video? That's a bit lame.
You should add comparison for "older" sockets. If future proof is a factor in this showdown you should show what you gain in terms of performance. Is it worth the $300 to upgrade to z97 or X99 from a X58 board. I still use a X58 with i7 930 and there is no point for me to upgrade since I barely gain any performance in gaming (where my interest lies) and is more than efficient for image editing that I do from time to time. If all boards with z97 are practically identical apart from manufacturer I don't see the point in this?
I got a 4790k for $250 and 50 bucks removed for a Asrock z97 extreme 4. Glad i could upgrade from my i5 2500k ;p
Good! Now … are you able to do it all over again with your hands tied around your back?
Hey guys, i am looking for a mini motherboard for under 220 dollars. I am wondering wich under that is the best? Ps. i am a gamer, and i would like one that fits gaming :)
Card clearance! How many cards can I fit in there nicely? Some people have old sound cards they want to use, or maybe they want to use PCI SSDs.
Please don't take too long when uploading the other parts of the series. The mineral oil one lasted forever, even longer the water cooling project, but I understand those were really high quality.
Why was this needed? Make it one damn video and actually tell us something about the motherboards rather than vaguely hinting. This video served no purpose and you didn't even say what motherboards are being tested.
I bought my $200 motherboard and instantly broke pins on it when I put in the cpu and it didn't catch on the screw that's meant to hold it down.
Please don't forget to compare software fan control from the manufacturer and headers on the motherboard!
I've been burnt before...
Zed
One is gold. One is light blue. One is a darker blue. One is red. Done.
review the software based fan controlling, bios, flashing procedure (asus have that sweet usb thing), killer lag (been avoiding MSI boards cuz of this) vs intel lag, audio clarity, m2 sata when SLI, flex.
Would love to see video on the best Graphic card under 50 and 100 💯 bucks
i need a mobo with 7896 thousand usb 3.1 ports
I got brand new z97-k for 50€ at the black friday
A video about making a video... amazing.
Whoever made that graph at 3:49 should get fired.
Disliked because there was no bang
nice board's great video! :)
Buying a MOBO is the hardest part.
they never get good reviews and judging performance is almost impossible.
I pick ASUS because of the crazy good RMA service they have.
You talked but said nothing.
I have an MSi z97 gaming 5, is that ok?
Who else is rocking an lga 1150 PC in 2021? 😊 😊 😊
i am
What about AM3+ sockets?
Not everyone use INTEL Motherboards... : /
I understand that a lot of people like seeing affordable content, and that is definitely a good thing because it'll actually relate to the typical consumer's purchase plans... but I really enjoy this channel largely because it shows the upper end, and the beautiful eye-candy pieces that I meticulously count my pennies for. I have absolutely loved marveling at the best that consumer grade technology had to offer, and I'm really missing that experience with these last few videos and with the path that Linus is expressing the channel will likely take. Maybe it's time for Linus to continue with the high end, and another employee such as Taran, who has shot already many a video on Techquickie before, to step up and take over the affordable end of things in his spare time after editing or in the few minutes he wastes rendering things.
Of course I need those zillion sata ports because I am going to buy 16pcs 128gb SSDs and set them all to raid 0 so I can get 10gb/s write and read. What I will do with that speed? Simply nothing. It just cool to have 10gb/s r/w.
lol. Dat speed bruh.
Henrik Techguy And if you lose one disk, you lose pretty much everything. That why many prefers not raid 0 for any critical system.
Id like to see a comparison of the different built in fan controller opens of each board and how easy ( or not) and intuitive (or not ) each one is.
x99
Zed
Zee
Choose wisely
do all this mobo can oc?
Hey LinusTechTips I feel that people may want to overclock on ttheir budget Z97 Boards
great vid, i'll have to bookmark it when you guys finally finish all the videos so i can actually watch the whole thing not just parts throughout a month or two...
That crunchyroll ad though. Didn't know the crew was in to anime.
Love my Asrock z97 pro4 it's great!
Same model I got a couple months ago. Not regretting the purchase. Does everything I want.
Is my pc good?
specs:
CPU: yes.
GPU: yes
HDD: yes
RAM: yes
monitor: yes
PSU: yes
Case: yes
SSD: no
Power: yes. 0.1€/mWh
8:36
Will these boards fit in a standard pc tower case?
How the hell did Linus get a sponsor like CRoll? lmao
The only thing that I can think of that Id REALLY like to know about motherboards that you cant predetermine from looking at the specs is the BIOS. Not only how feature packed the BIOS is or isnt but also how easy it is to navigate. Id definitely give the BIOS stuff a good going over in you videos. Just my .02
hello
yaaay i'm early for once
Be sure to make comparisons to the higher priced luxry boards, like the Z97 vs the Formula.
Those are the two I've been looking at, I trust Asus more than the others. Sorry folks. :|
I regret choosing an ITX system when I build my PC, now I want a 2. 280X and need one of the super cheap motherboards. The MSI Krait Edition is only $20 more than the super cheap one so I thnk I will go with this one, it looks so amazing.
2nd?
I'll stick to MSI, just because I've never once had a motherboard issue with one. This might not be true for others, but its all luck of the draw these days when it comes to RMA's.
Can i ask, i wanna buy new gpu, the MSI Nvidia Geforce GTX 750 OC. And i wanna know if i'll be able to overclock it on my current rig:
Operating System
Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit
CPU
Intel Core i3 2100 @ 3.10GHz
Sandy Bridge 32nm Technology
RAM
4,00GB Single-Channel DDR3 @ 665MHz
Motherboard
MSI H61M-P23 (MS-7680) (SOCKET 0)
Graphics
Generic Non-PnP Monitor (800x600@60Hz)
Intel HD Graphics (MSI)
Storage
298GB Western Digital WDC WD3200AAKS-00L9A0 ATA Device (SATA)
Is there any H97/Z97 Motherboard that doesn't have any color scheme?
I just want a MB that is full black... is that so hard to ask for?
My PC won't be in Red/Blue/Hold, so these colors won't match.
You could paint the pci, ram and heatsinks and get the motherboard you want.
Abra Cadabra MSI Z97S Krait Edition, but it has some white on it
Abra Cadabra only low end boards or boards that have slight accents, msi x99 sli is a very stealthy one but its x99
this motherboard does not work very well with a GTX 979 and a fractal design R5!case, hardly any room to fit it in
I don't know about anyone else, but I fucking *adore* how the MSI Z97 U3 PLUS, SLI-G55, and SLI-PLUS look with the ''black and blue'' dynamic going for it. I truly believe they're the most visually appealing motherboards to me, but I guess one day I'm going to have to settle for an RGB motherboard so I can at least customize the lights.
"and if you need all that storage, where are you going to find a case for that anyways?"
Corsair 900D master race reporting in :D
Ho i made a "future proof" computer back in 2k9 and I am still using it today. But what is future proof ? For me it is basically a motherboard with 4 sata minimum,4 ram slots,and over clock ability with a unlocked processor that is able to handle correctly video cards ,and finally a good psu.
So I took in 2k9 a p55m ud2 with a i5 750 ,a gts 450 and 2 gig of ram,it was in a horrible office case that had IDE hdd.and I took a seasonic fixed speed psu,750w by the way.
Nowday it has 8gig of ram , a 4.4ghz oc (instead of 2.6) thx to a 212 evo,a gtx 780 ,a new z3 case,2 seagate hdd with a ssd.and the psu had a pwm fan mod to silence it.
The only problem was the fan speed in bios that had to be changed with speedfan because the bios was to old for fancy coolers and was sounding like a plane when booting. But I'm happy with my "old" rig. But I reconise now intel kinda disappoint me on the oc side with their k serries instead of releasing low end unlocked cpu (outside the g3258).
Cool. I'm glad you decided to release this video ONE FUCKING DAY after I bought my Z97 motherboard. Thanks.
"Watch part 2 in 4 months"
I got a Z97-a mobo (ASUS) I havnt had it for a week so I cant really say much, but so far I am in love with it, it does everything I want, and the UEFI BIOS is a million times better than my previous mobo which was a Gigabyte B75M-d3h..
I builded my pc on 1st jan 2014 with 4770k and z87x-oc force and later swapped with 4790k keeping board same. Should i upgrade? And card i use is 2 x 290x toxic with CM v1200 psu
Suggestions: compare with H97 and H91 boards. because for really low budget people they won't even bother to go for z97.
Also make one motherboard showdown for amd fm2+ and am3+
Budget my ass...$100 is far from budget. You can get Z87 boards for $9 right now. They're literally dirt cheap compared to these motherboards.
Just bought a Asrock OC Formula Z97M board last week on newegg for $115 with rebate. Seeing as i only want to run dual 980s in sli, I have no need for the more expensive boards running the plx chip, nor do i need extra pci/e slots. And even though this is a matx board, the cards wont be suffocated because they'll be liquid cooled. Overall this board seems to have an excellent setup for my specs.
i bought the msi z97s thanks to this video! parts will be delivered today! video up on my channel soon
Whenever I'm finding a really really low end motherboard for a super tight budget gaming build I try to look for USB 3 and 4 DIMM slots. I would really love to see a super low end board series from you, where you take some offerings from gigabyte, asrock, biostar, and others and do a comparison focusing mainly on FM2 or AM3 because a lot of the best value chips are AMD right now.
i have MSI Z97 Gaming 5, it's really good , asus was way too costly for me
How good is an ASUS F2 A85-M LE? Anyone here got one? I can't tell if the blurry screen issue I'm having is the motherboard itself, the HDMI lead, or the fact I'm using a TV as a monitor.
I need to be absolutely frank with you, every time I see that you are doing a video alone I don't feel like watching it. Not that the subject is not relevant or not well explained, far from that. The problem is your "old teacher-like" posture, trying to be 'serious' talking about serious stuff. You and Linus together work so well in the WAN show because you guys act is a goofy way and you laughing all the time makes all the difference. Apparently, what attracts in Linus, Jay2cents, Eli the computer guy and that other famous geek guy (who in the recent past had a child, is married and makes videoblogs, I forgot now his name) is exactly the sense of humor or "weirdness" when talking about important stuff. Well, that is my opinion.
Another thing - you have an interesting voice. If you worked it a bit, and lowered the tone just a bit, could make money out of it maybe with dubbing or makeover work.
One of the features i look for when buying a MB, is also the implementation of the sound card! Not everyone wants to have an ekstra ugly piece of hardware showing In their system, and as a non-professionel music enthusiast like me, i find it sufficient when a separate part of the PCB is used for the sound processing only. That is one of the reasons why i find the $200 mark, the sweetspot for my builds.
Would be nice to se how the "cheaper" boards holds up compared to the more ekspensive one, in regards to; Sound quality, CPU overvclocking capabilities, ram support and ram OC, ssd speed's (i had boards In the past where i could not get full speed from my ssd's on some of the sata controlers), long jevity from the use of better components etc! :)
Still rocking an AsRock Z68 Extreme 4.
Best budget board ever built, and the 2500k is still rocking at 5GHz!
AWESOME how about doing the same on the AMD Motherboard and news on upcoming new boards and apu
I have the MSI Z97 G55 which is in the video... I like it, good expansion options but I dislike the BIOS.
I bought the ASRock. It's terrible. Company never contacted me about getting a replacement with a 2 month old model. It died real quick.
When you get these boards, do the companies allow you to so some minor disassembly? it would be great if motherboard reviews also included the number of power phases, as well as the VRM model number so that users can look up data sheets. The largest area where value boards differ, is with the VRM design. some will use a 4+1 phase design with cheap components which pretty much top out at 120 watts, thus when you go to overclock, you quickly run into stability issues, or VRM protection throttling. while there are some value boards with a VRM design where on paper, will handle a sustained output of of well over 200 watts