I agree completely. My first go-to is dynamic milling with solid carbide but it’s not always applicable. Sometimes I will apply both types of toolpaths to see what my cycle time difference will be
Awesome video, I have definitly experienced using wrong methods of cutting on a tormach 440. As its a much lower power machine with a straight taper, large axial, low radial cuts werent always the best, and have even caused the toolholder to pull out. After a different method of cutting, the cuts sounded MUCH better, and there was no more pullout issues. Keep the awesome videos coming! BOOM!
@@chas1878 it wasnt too bad. the Tormach Tool System is based off an R8 collet, and without the right drawbar tightness, the toolholder can come out a bit easier than one would like. and the spindle was so weak that it just stalled.
It can be frustrating to find the right strategy just based off the shape of the part or fixturing but to me nothing is more aggravating than having to choose a strategy based off machine power and torque requirements.
The PH 13-8 Mo, which condition was it in? Condition A (solution annealed)? RH950? H950? H1150? Any of the others maybe? Because RH950, the hardest condition, can hit 48 HRC while the softest condition, H1150M, sits around 32 HRC. Yield strength ranges from 85 to 215 ksi, depending on how it's precipitation hardened, and UTS can sit between 130 and 235 ksi.
I love full flute endmill milling and i get even better cycle times than high feed mill, but that only applies to parts max 70-80mm of depth, after that i would much rather prefer high feed cutter where i could go more than 200mm of depth at high feed and low axial cuts. Another place where high feed is absolute winner is at 3d press tool making, where you need to take small axial cuts to cut out the 3D shape, where your endmill just can't outperform high feed, as matter of fact, it's absolute loser at that. I'm actually saying this from my own experience, we really tried to move to endmill cutting, but we ended up disappointed. At the end, it just depends on the application and both type of tools are great and can do marvellous parts.
Im glad that you mention the super deep depth stuff, i forgot to mention that in the video. Modular setups on high feed mills can increase your reach by a mile!
That pretty much sums it up in a clear and concise explanation. Adaptive thinking and problem solving; all drawing from a broad library of personal experience, observation and engineering research.
@@barrysetzer bhahaahaha Good one! :D Consider me a fan! You’re the perfect no nonsense straight to business sidekick to Titan with his bombastic bigger than life persona :D Keep on chipping on!
Saw the title and thought this was gonna be a fluff piece. I was wrong. You guys are once again challenging me to up my game and expand my knowledge. Thank you Titan, Barry, etc. 🙌
Hey Jacob, thanks for watching! Keep in mind that we only film what we think might help someone else. We have all had “that 1 job” that we struggled with. So every bit of content we post is intended to help our brethren succeed!
Solid carbide endmills comes into play when you have to make work as soon as possible or when you have a really, REALLY big chunk of material you need to destroy 🙂
@@mikhaildavydenko6841 good endmills can make quick work. Both trochoidal and HSC milling are useful, but also sometimes difficult to choose the right one in certain cases.
I hate being a machinist. It's high demand, high risk, high knowledge, low reward. Don't ever consider becoming a machinist. Edit: also wtf kind of tool path is this 3:05 ?
Man, consider what you have LEARNED. Do you feel like your knowledge is valuable? I do! If you hate your job, you are absolutely working at the wrong place.
@@barrysetzer You make no sense. I've made things that have flown, gone underwater, saved lives, and taken lives. You are just too bought in to the new age BS social media garbage. Or you aren't really a machinist.
Ok! Obviously YOU are that guy we all hate ti work with. That dude that HATE lofe and hates his career. Super funny, that you suck so bad at what we do. Maybe seek a job in janitorial services?
I work in a job shop and sometimes we run the same job on different machines because the original might have not been available at at the time. I have a different program for every machine but the only difference are the speeds and feeds due to the machines specs. It is like science getting to learn each machines strengths and weaknesses.
There is much more to tool paths than the chart the manufacturer gives you. I've learned a lot from 3d printing. Acceleration and all play big part in the things you actually get. Every application is different.
LOL, thanks! Before I started working here, I wondered what Titan was like in real life.......and let me just say that he is literally the best boss I've ever had, no BS. He is incredible genuine, loves manufacturing, and is just a good dude overall. Everything he does is to try to help people within the manufacturing world. I've only been here at Titans for a few months, but during that time I have been VERY pleasantly suprised!
I am forced to apply this technique everyday because my machine does not like 90° turns in the tool paths. Sometimes it gets so bad, if I don't slow my feedrate down, it will break my insert cutter's inserts when it gets to the 90° turn because it will stop for a short moment before it carries on cutting. It basically sits there for a second or so and chatters which ends up breaking my tools. What I do, is I play with the happy medium of dept of cut and feedrate. I depend on the spindle's power instead of the speed of the x & y slides. The benefits of this is that I can take deeper cuts because it is running slower and sometimes it can actually go faster then if I had a shallow cut with high feeds & speeds. Generally though I do this to not break cutters or inserts, and 75% of the time it is slower. My machine is a 2004 model so she is quite old and even the spindle rigidity isn't good anymore but thats machining for you. Each machine has its own character.
I dont know about that, i feel like we have done quite a few legit ones, but you cant please everybody lol. I guess im glad the one you liked was just me talking, thanks for watching!
Titan and every cnc machinist out there, i recently bought a used Doosan s310 sml, should i do a real foundation and attach machine to ground or just keep on vibration isolators, level it and call it a day ? Thanks in advance. Niel Patel
Lots of variables to consider. How thick is your floor 6”+ is great… 4” not so great. What type of concrete, how much rebar etc. How heavy is your machine? How many legs is the weight distributed on? What are the tolerances of your parts… a few tenths… Thousandths… Anyways, you probably won’t have an issue, but I don’t know the variables discussed above. You can also purchase 1” steel plate cut 12” X 12” to go under each foot… which provides more surface area. Meaning, steel to concrete. Make sense?
It was a CAT40 spindle. And like I say in the video, the drawbar force was a little low, but all we could figure was that we were being too aggressive.
@@jamescerven4400 Actually the pull stud was fine, a little marred, as well as the drawbar clamps, and when it pulled out it scarred the spindle taper, so we reground the spindle taper and rebuilt the drawbar.
So many crazy tools that do all kinds of cuts these days, long gone are the days of manually calculating speeds and feeds etc… Just call your rep and find out what it can actually do. Well tbh tools are generally ordered in to do a specific job😁 but what I was getting at is that the industry tools are great these days and generally can handle more than what you think😀
Hello everyone, i am a third year engineering student . We just got introduced to machining does anyone know any sources to learn more about it? This channel is amazing but there are some terms that i am not familiar with
1:12 Love that you list out all the variables to consider lol. Shows how much knowledge you have that goes into this!
Yeah I was running outta breath on that list LOL
Experience is a beautiful thing
@@barrysetzer you worked @Bhi? In Houston
Yep!
@@Houcnc yep, it was quite a few years ago
It really is a science to get that perfect cut and chip coming off the part. Thanks for sharing, Barry very informative
You got it buddy!
Wow, these metal cutting videos are so satisfying. Those bits make metal look like it’s butter.
I agree completely. My first go-to is dynamic milling with solid carbide but it’s not always applicable. Sometimes I will apply both types of toolpaths to see what my cycle time difference will be
Dude, Your a Beast. Can’t wait till people see you teaching 5 Axis, while machining Inconel 718 Full Simultaneous😳😳😳
@@TITANSofCNC Get ready to see some fireworks!!
TITAN IN A LAYS FACTORY TOUR.." YOU CALL THESE CHIPS???" LOL
😂😂😂
If they ain’t Blue with a Rainbow Tint… They can’t be called chips…
love it
@@TITANSofCNC ehat does he think of french fries then cos in uk a chip is a fry and if it's a big chip it's a roast potato LOL
You need to produce a Podcast! Just chatting about machining and shoplife!
More machining wisdom from Mr. Barry, please!
Its all in the chips (Happy Gilmore Chubbs voice)
Y’all never fail to impress me with this stuff.
Always satisfying listening to Barry explain the decision making, always make me think more. Thanks Barry!!
Sure thing buddy! Thanks for listening!!
I was just wondering about this very thing. Appreciate the insight brother!
Awesome video, I have definitly experienced using wrong methods of cutting on a tormach 440. As its a much lower power machine with a straight taper, large axial, low radial cuts werent always the best, and have even caused the toolholder to pull out. After a different method of cutting, the cuts sounded MUCH better, and there was no more pullout issues. Keep the awesome videos coming! BOOM!
The toolHOLDER?! Damn, how scary is that haha
@@chas1878 it wasnt too bad. the Tormach Tool System is based off an R8 collet, and without the right drawbar tightness, the toolholder can come out a bit easier than one would like. and the spindle was so weak that it just stalled.
@@chas1878 It was definitely impressive when we ripped the holders out of the Okuma!!!
It can be frustrating to find the right strategy just based off the shape of the part or fixturing but to me nothing is more aggravating than having to choose a strategy based off machine power and torque requirements.
The PH 13-8 Mo, which condition was it in? Condition A (solution annealed)? RH950? H950? H1150? Any of the others maybe? Because RH950, the hardest condition, can hit 48 HRC while the softest condition, H1150M, sits around 32 HRC. Yield strength ranges from 85 to 215 ksi, depending on how it's precipitation hardened, and UTS can sit between 130 and 235 ksi.
When a tool lets go I call it a FRIDAY JOB, sometimes when it was made has a life span allways by on a MONDAY, Titan keep on keeping on
Those chips though! Beast mode!
I love full flute endmill milling and i get even better cycle times than high feed mill, but that only applies to parts max 70-80mm of depth, after that i would much rather prefer high feed cutter where i could go more than 200mm of depth at high feed and low axial cuts. Another place where high feed is absolute winner is at 3d press tool making, where you need to take small axial cuts to cut out the 3D shape, where your endmill just can't outperform high feed, as matter of fact, it's absolute loser at that. I'm actually saying this from my own experience, we really tried to move to endmill cutting, but we ended up disappointed. At the end, it just depends on the application and both type of tools are great and can do marvellous parts.
Im glad that you mention the super deep depth stuff, i forgot to mention that in the video. Modular setups on high feed mills can increase your reach by a mile!
That pretty much sums it up in a clear and concise explanation. Adaptive thinking and problem solving; all drawing from a broad library of personal experience, observation and engineering research.
BARRY is the milling GOD! keep this videos coming, partner!
LET THERE BE CHIPS!
We did call him Barry the Great at the last place we worked together
@@barrysetzer bhahaahaha
Good one! :D
Consider me a fan!
You’re the perfect no nonsense straight to business sidekick to Titan with his bombastic bigger than life persona :D
Keep on chipping on!
Saw the title and thought this was gonna be a fluff piece. I was wrong. You guys are once again challenging me to up my game and expand my knowledge. Thank you Titan, Barry, etc. 🙌
Hey Jacob, thanks for watching! Keep in mind that we only film what we think might help someone else. We have all had “that 1 job” that we struggled with. So every bit of content we post is intended to help our brethren succeed!
Great insight, Barry! Manufacturing is an art and you have to know your tooling, your machine, and your material to make your art work!
Yeah man! I wish more people (management) understood how much thought and how many variables go into a successful program.
@@barrysetzer too true! It’s like that in almost every industry!
High feed cutters aren't that spectacular to watch, but they are damn effective. Cheap, reliable and even work when worn or chipped.
Solid carbide endmills comes into play when you have to make work as soon as possible or when you have a really, REALLY big chunk of material you need to destroy 🙂
@@mikhaildavydenko6841 good endmills can make quick work. Both trochoidal and HSC milling are useful, but also sometimes difficult to choose the right one in certain cases.
I hate being a machinist. It's high demand, high risk, high knowledge, low reward. Don't ever consider becoming a machinist.
Edit: also wtf kind of tool path is this 3:05 ?
Man, consider what you have LEARNED. Do you feel like your knowledge is valuable? I do! If you hate your job, you are absolutely working at the wrong place.
@@barrysetzer
BS. You've been huffing your own farts like this channel wants you to. The reality is far uglier.
My apologies. Obviously you are TERRIBLE at what we do.
@@barrysetzer
You make no sense. I've made things that have flown, gone underwater, saved lives, and taken lives. You are just too bought in to the new age BS social media garbage. Or you aren't really a machinist.
Ok! Obviously YOU are that guy we all hate ti work with. That dude that HATE lofe and hates his career. Super funny, that you suck so bad at what we do. Maybe seek a job in janitorial services?
Dropping some knowledge right there. Great job Barry.
Thanks bro! It's a struggle sometimes figuring out what method to use!!!
I work in a job shop and sometimes we run the same job on different machines because the original might have not been available at at the time. I have a different program for every machine but the only difference are the speeds and feeds due to the machines specs. It is like science getting to learn each machines strengths and weaknesses.
There is much more to tool paths than the chart the manufacturer gives you. I've learned a lot from 3d printing. Acceleration and all play big part in the things you actually get. Every application is different.
Should be his show
He’s easy to listen to and doesn’t say actually every other word
LOL, thanks! Before I started working here, I wondered what Titan was like in real life.......and let me just say that he is literally the best boss I've ever had, no BS. He is incredible genuine, loves manufacturing, and is just a good dude overall. Everything he does is to try to help people within the manufacturing world. I've only been here at Titans for a few months, but during that time I have been VERY pleasantly suprised!
I'm a Turner and milling is not my strong point but these videos are impressive 👏
Thanks for the info Berry. Love this channel!
Thanks for watching! Every little experience and extra piece of knowledge helps!
Great video Barry. Keep up the awesome work!
Why thank you
I am forced to apply this technique everyday because my machine does not like 90° turns in the tool paths. Sometimes it gets so bad, if I don't slow my feedrate down, it will break my insert cutter's inserts when it gets to the 90° turn because it will stop for a short moment before it carries on cutting. It basically sits there for a second or so and chatters which ends up breaking my tools.
What I do, is I play with the happy medium of dept of cut and feedrate. I depend on the spindle's power instead of the speed of the x & y slides. The benefits of this is that I can take deeper cuts because it is running slower and sometimes it can actually go faster then if I had a shallow cut with high feeds & speeds. Generally though I do this to not break cutters or inserts, and 75% of the time it is slower. My machine is a 2004 model so she is quite old and even the spindle rigidity isn't good anymore but thats machining for you. Each machine has its own character.
Schaftfraeser use for side jobs as you sed that why old technik with before drill socket is rather modern and efficient
I try to explain these things to my co workers. I'm not great at it. I'll be showing them this video in the future, thank you.
Absolutely! Thanks for watching!
this is the first valid video on this channel
I dont know about that, i feel like we have done quite a few legit ones, but you cant please everybody lol. I guess im glad the one you liked was just me talking, thanks for watching!
Titan and every cnc machinist out there, i recently bought a used Doosan s310 sml, should i do a real foundation and attach machine to ground or just keep on vibration isolators, level it and call it a day ?
Thanks in advance.
Niel Patel
Lots of variables to consider.
How thick is your floor 6”+ is great… 4” not so great. What type of concrete, how much rebar etc.
How heavy is your machine?
How many legs is the weight distributed on?
What are the tolerances of your parts… a few tenths… Thousandths…
Anyways, you probably won’t have an issue, but I don’t know the variables discussed above.
You can also purchase 1” steel plate cut 12” X 12” to go under each foot… which provides more surface area. Meaning, steel to concrete.
Make sense?
@@TITANSofCNC thanks makes sense to me.
You could also make a video to give general instructions, love from India..! 🇮🇳
Love the Barry videos, he’s great at this
Thanks Justin! And thanks for watching!
Wait, so what was the cause of the whole tool holder pulling out?? What spindle taper was that?
It was a CAT40 spindle. And like I say in the video, the drawbar force was a little low, but all we could figure was that we were being too aggressive.
@@barrysetzer ah ok. So what failed, the pull stud?
@@jamescerven4400 Actually the pull stud was fine, a little marred, as well as the drawbar clamps, and when it pulled out it scarred the spindle taper, so we reground the spindle taper and rebuilt the drawbar.
More plunge milling!
Chip Bae at it again
I still wanna do a flash dance scene dropping chips on my head
@@barrysetzer I would pay to see this.
Well I always thought that “SFM” meant super fast milling!
Just like RPM means rapidly plowing material!
Barry….the Mr. Miyagi of the shop.
Wax on Wax off… Technique is everything… and then there is the coolant… Just Greatness 😉
Lesson not just milling only, lesson for whole life!
@@barrysetzer 😂😂
Sir i m from india want to work with you and learn currently m working in mould makings and injection moulding
Why no cutting fluid?
I prefer endmills because they are so god damn beautiful 😍
I sing the song “Sexy and You Know It” as I lean in to watch the cut… and have the chips spray against the glass… rat a tat tat…
LOL I can personally attest to the fact that Titan literally sings that at the machine
So many crazy tools that do all kinds of cuts these days, long gone are the days of manually calculating speeds and feeds etc… Just call your rep and find out what it can actually do. Well tbh tools are generally ordered in to do a specific job😁 but what I was getting at is that the industry tools are great these days and generally can handle more than what you think😀
Can this be summarized in a decision tree?
good idea!!!
That climb tho
Right!
Finally, someone agrees with me!
You must be LEGIT then😉
@@TITANSofCNC Yeah, I guess I am. LOL!
Hello everyone, i am a third year engineering student . We just got introduced to machining does anyone know any sources to learn more about it? This channel is amazing but there are some terms that i am not familiar with
Yes! Titans of CNC has a free online academy.
The link to our academy is in this video: th-cam.com/video/FGpsH_dd0vs/w-d-xo.html
imagine having barry on your team...
I guarantee you would have no shortage of laughter!
You still see the deflection in the reflection
That was such a teaser title, at the end I'm like 90% of machinists do what wrong?!?! Select the wrong tool? No shit sherlock 😂
90% of Machinist's do this wrong? Yes, agree to do this horrible trade.
Been machining for 30 years now. God I fucking hate it. Kill me.
Sounds to me that YOU are just working at the wrong shop, man. Learn all you can, and take your BEAST skills to a better place! I know i DID
*ZOMBIEMILL*
MURDER, DESTRUCTION, TERROR…
METAL BEING LEFT IN CHIPS😂😂😂
OK, I still don't know what I'm doing wrong?
Say what are we doing wrong again?
Choosing the wrong method of machining. Despite our preferred methods.
Boom
Man I see a lot of wasted time and code in your tool paths in your video's.
What specifically are your complaints? I would be glad to discuss the WHYs with you
Boom