Hey guys! Here is a link to the Process Lasso Website: bitsum.com/ And a link to my video explaining how to Exclude DCS From Windows Defender Anti-Virus: th-cam.com/video/JshLOxeX3dM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1klK8nhsp31FNKKQ
Not sure if you mentioned it, but this applies to virtually ALL CPUs to one degree or another. Even disabling access to the hyperthreaded/SMT cores can have a benefit on older CPUs. The P and E cores aspect applies to Intel CPUs from 12th Gen on. On AMD you'll want to adjust if your CPU has multiple CCDs (5950x, 5900x, 7950x, 7900x, 7950x3D, 7900x3D, threadripper, etc.). Lock DCS to the cores of one CCD so the slow infinity fabric is not used. For the X3D CPUs, you want to lock DCS to the CCD with massive cache.
not fully understanding why you are having problems with a high-end GPU and CPU???? two why would you make a video after you upgrade your computer????? so what about using a 3050 GPU and an i5 CPU ?? will this work ????... I bet you don't know... every person that has a high-end computer shit on us little guys by showing off what you going .. everybody doesn't have the money to buy a computer like yours .. so when you talking about a new program you should keep in mind us broke computer players
@@stopthemadness398 Looks like you're having a hard time and venting your frustrations on people who don't deserve it, so I am here to help you. I don't know much about @Spudknocker but I would wager he has spent a lot of time and work getting to where he is financially to afford a leisure hobby that may not be attainable to all. There are a lot of people in your situation if not most, and that includes people that Spudknocker also interacts with who he is trying to help out with the information he posted which coincides with your situation. Please read the post above you by @Specter0420 that may address your questions and feel free to browse through the rest of the posts to see what other people have to say. Hopefully we can get you to enjoy DCS without you having to do anything drastic.
AMD users like me can only click on "Disable SMT" instead, it's the same thing, deactivate all your emulated cores, i learned this on a performance guide tutorial to Tarkov. But if the games now has compatibility with multi-threading (MT), idk if this is a good idea, i wonder.
You're mistaken. Lock DCS to physical cores (non-SMT) if your CPU has more than 8 threads and you'll see a boost. If your AMD CPU has more than one CCD, lock DCS to the physical cores on one CCD so the slow infinity fabric isn't used. If you have a 7950x3D or 7900x3D you REALLY want to lock DCS to the first CCD, the one with massive cache.
@@Specter0420 OK, good info. My performance with the 2.9 patch has been consistently butter smooth, but I'm on a Ryzen7 5800X. Regardless, the procedure as presented in this video can't be followed if you have an AMD CPU, you will see different options even if it accomplishes the same thing.
First, this app is similar to the app we used to use for FSX which would lock apps and games to using only specific number of cores which was awesome because back then and honestly even today most CPU's and Games utilize only about 4-6 cores at most but also the first 4 cores in AMD processors generally provide the most performance so it is nice to be able to lock a game to only certain cores. As for the comment about disabling your other CCD(s) because of Inifity Fabric, only certain games take a hit in performance because of it others can have a boost it really all depends on the game and it's optimization. I dunno about DCS but in general the performance hit is usually VERY little and performance reward for disabling it does not normally make it worth it if you are already doing extra background applications like streaming or video editing etc. But that's up to preference.
Eh, I have a thread ripper 16 cores. I tie everything I can on the 0-11 cores and save the last 4 cores for DCS. DCS only uses 2 cores, so I tied it to my last 2 cores 14-15, I run VR so SteamVR/SRS or any other programs related to DCS to 12-13. Haven't had any issues in the last few months while running it this way to include other programs I use (adobe/steam games/video editing).
I have always had trouble maintaining control when attempting to hover with AH-64D. The combination of disabling real-time virus scanning and using process lasso to force DCS on the P-cores has resulted in much easier fine control for me. It was also necessary to set DCS priority to high as you suggested. There are all kinds of videos out with good advice on how hover better, but your suggestions make it so much easier for me. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
The 4090 is such a performance king for DCS, and everything else. Upgraded from a 3 year old 3070 last year, having just missed out on a 3080 at launch - and just went eff it, I'm getting one. ALL of my regular DCS friends have one, in fact I'm the last on the train - succumbed to their constant raving. 😅
@@JSmith73 I'm poor so had to save money for years to buy my 3070. For an older card it sure as hell is capable! I'd love a 4090 just to have it, but if I could afford one I'd probably buy a car instead :)
this really worked. thank you, because these stutters were driving me crazy. this also explains why these stutters come mainly in multi threading mode.
I really appreciate these performance videos lately Spuds, as I too have recently built a brand new PC which is a tremendous upgrade from last and that includes even the monitor as I came from a 1080p tv to a 1440p monitor and GTX970/R5 1400 to a Rx 7900XT/R7 7800x3d. I am still getting used to windows 11 and the video specifically talking about the Windows Security and how to boost performance helped tremendously! Now, just need to make the jump to VR next year, which may include another processor upgrade, possibly even another GPU upgrade lol. But, playing DCS with buttery smooth performance and actually being able to make large complex missions without my PC crashing is just an awesome experience..
Thanks, I've been having the same issues.. But I'm new to DCS and just a basic computer operator so I felt hosed.. But You just gave me a large helping hand with an EASY to follow and understand walk through... Thank ya again.. 👍👍😸
Thank @spudknocker for the tuning effort and analysis! I have analogous hardware and can also verify this makes a difference where MT stutters. My CPU priorities also include ovrserver (quest3 openxr runtime) & audiodg (seems to alleviate audio stutters that break immersion). I had also dedicated a CPU core to the audiodg runtime.
OoO I have to see if he still has it posted somewhere.. Would like to try it! I have gotten pretty good at setting it up but there are still some settings I am a little iffy on.
I have been using this for 4 months. Before, I could not fix the framerate problems and LIVED IN 100+ HOURS of 20-30 FPS in DCS VR with Oculus Rift S! Then I found Process Lasso... 80 FPS all day. It's a must need. i9-10900k 32GB 2080ti
Just installed Process Lasso today to give it a try. Felt like an immediate improvement overall. I played about three hours. More “trials” this weekend, but so far, so good.
If you have an AMD cpu you don't need this since every core is equivalent to a PCore, and you can set the DCS process to a higher priority directly in the Windows task manager.
This worked for me, for the most part. i7 14700k, 4070ti and 64GB of RAM. Sometimes, though, if I load DCS with PL in the background I get terrible stuttering and it doesnt go away until I close out PL. Not sure why. When it works, I get +20 FPS. I wish I could figure out the issue..
Thanks again for another great video. Just wondering if I am doing something wrong, when I follow your instructions to the CPU Affinity Tab there is no PCORS BUTTON or ECORES button to push. I am running a I7 !0700K CPU and wondering if its architecture does not lend itself to the provisions of Process Lasso. Thanks
process lasso will always run in the background, once you've done what the tutorial says you can completely forget about it, but kep in mind that it will give oyu a very annoying popup everytime you start your computer
Do you have to run ProcessLasso in the background while playing DCS or can you just open ProcessLasso, change the settings, close it and never open it again?
In summary: Intel created a problem (ecores), which you have had to solve. Just like Microsoft created a problem (Windows Defender), which you have had to solve. It's notable how much time and effort you have had to spend, just to get normal performance back into your PC.
Thanks for another excellent video on optimization for DCS. My newly built DCS PC is quite similar to yours's 4090 GPU, but I 'm using AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU. Any thoughts on if this would work on the Ryzen CPU infrastructure?
Ryzen doesn't use E-cores, there's no need for this. If you had a 7900x3d or the 7950, there might be a reason to limit it to the CCD with the actual 3d cache, but the 7800x3d only has 1 CCD so its a non-issue.
There is a similar issue with MSFS 2020. As an AMD user I don't have E-Cores, but MSFS will sometimes use HT-Cores for performance relevant tasks and can be really slow, especially the loading times. Process Lasso will help here too. Since I limit MSFS to use only the physical cores of my 7800X3D, the loading times are much faster and more consistent.
Not an ED thing is an Intel chipset plus windows I don't know what to prioritise thing. Not much ED can do until Microsoft and Intel come up with a better CPU core scheduling system. As it screws up choosing what e-core and P-core to use on most software not just DCS. Most don't know about it though
Ok. Tried your recommended settings, I thought it was working well. When I went back to 2D the frame rate was appalling. I have a 14900k and a 4090 and 64 GB of fast RAM. Something wasn’t right, clearly. Eventually I switched off the profile I’d created in PL. I then used the default settings, either High or Ultimate Performance. Kaboom! Back to what I should have been seeing. Silky smooth maxed out settings at 200 FPS. Ok, now back to VR. Yup. The best performance I’ve seen since I embarked on an extensive tweaking and testing extravaganza. My VR performance was bottlenecking at the CPU , it still is, but using PL has resolved the random spikes and odd stutter I was seeing. My advice? Try the settings that come with the program first you may find it’s all you need. 👍🏻. The easiest way to manage DCS with process lasso is to pay for the program and then use the one click power profile setting for your exe files. The best setting I’ve found for DCS is Bitsum ultimate performance. But the whole program is great for running your PC more efficiently.
Hello, Where Can I find these default settings you mention? I mean "High" or "Ultimate Performance"? I installed PL and it did help me though I wish to try the options you mentioned. Thanks
The DCS developers are just getting around to multithreading, like 20 years late. Just in time for hybrid CPUs to be the norm. I guess they'll get around to coding for these in the mid 2040s. The same goes for AMD, especially those with two CCDs with different cache sizes and core speeds, like my 7950x3D. I locked DCS to the physical cores on the cached CCD and realized a massive increase in smoothness.
Sure, BMS is a better sim, and takes advantage of all the hardware improvements of the last decade, latest GPUs, CPUs, etc. Yet DCS is the main culprit of not using all the cores...
Ehh dcs is fairly arcade compared to bms if you fly f16, but for other planes dcs wins. Bms dynamic campaign is waaay better than anything in dcs. But i still play more dcs because i like Carrier stuff :D
I have the 14900k as well but have no problems but check your Bios for somthing called Gamers Legacey mode (or somthing like that) as on my Asus motherboard this will turn off the E-cores just by pressing "Scroll Lock" on the keyboard with no need for 3rd party software
@Spudknocker it worked. In fact, I maxed out all the in-game options, which I always felt I should be able to run. There are no issues around the board. Huge thank you, I feel like I'm on an entire new sim.
I've heard it's a good idea also to exclude 0 core what is most often used by Windows and system - I'm not sure if I'm right about that but could be worth trying. Thanks for the video.
ProBalance doesn’t have to be disabled. You can exclude all the processes you want to be left alone from ProBalance. For the rest of them, ProBalance will be able to act on them and lower their priority temporarily.
This is more important than setting it to all P cores. You can leave it to use both if you do this as a lot of spikes are the P cores waking up from a low state to be used and doing this fixes that and the spikes in DCS.
"Crazy FPS boost"...I think you may be overselling it, it certainly helps with stutters & pauses but fps boost was modest but worth having. Not such a dynamic strapline that though, that's why I never wet into journalism :D
Unfortunately this did not work for me. It made DCS unplayable. Frames were 1-15 on the main DCS page where normally the FPS is 120 on my system. The mouse was lagy and the mission would not load. I have a Core i5 12600K 3.7 GHz, 64ghz of DDR4 Ram, RTX 3070 gpu, and DCS is on a dedicated 2tb SSD. My stutters weren't really to bad and I thought this might help but sadly it did not. I did follow your instructions to the letter. Thanks for putting info like this out there.
I didn't notice a difference, but I run all AMD which has a different architecture than Intel and I think some Intel chips may differ. Doesn't matter what version of DCS/Program you use. Remember, you're tweaking the programs you want effected by this by running them in the background, so it shows up on Task manager or the program mentioned above "Lasso"
Does Process Lasso stay running in the BG (and start at boot) or do I need to start it and select the profile for DCS every time I load up DCS? Have you tried this with DCS in VR?
So, I set it up last night and can report that it does run in the BG, and is set by default to launch when windows starts. I played for a few hours and it did seem to improve performance in VR, far less stuttering, far more consistent. Anecdotal for sure, but it seems to help. Before I would get stutters like mad when on the ground, or when looking at complex geometry for the first time, and that seems to have been mitigated. My specs for those with a similar rig and problems: i9 13900k 4090 64gb RAM Varjo Aero - running at "High" 35PPD Before trying Lasso, running 35PPD would get stutters, 37 or 39 was a complete mess, even with DCS quality settings set to "VR quality". I'll be trying 39PPD and upping the DCS settings to see what's what.
I have the 14900k as well, didn't think I'm having any issues after the most recent bios update, however everyone told me I should do this anyways and I found your video. When I press "P Cores" it auto sets it to the first 15 cores not 7. I didn't manually change anything, have any recommendations?
We were promised better QA, but we most certainly did not get that. We got the same tradition of breaking something in the Viper, new features for it that aren't implemented correctly, and the same capricious and arbitrary church lady mods who use our money to silence us because they don't think people have agency or sense or a right to criticize what they spent their money on. They should be doing QA instead of wasting our money.
I bought Lasso. And boy what a difference!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉. I have an 4060ti i7 - it has never run this good. DCS, MSFS, Cyberpunk, they are consistent at 90+ frames. No questions asked. Worth the $18 investment (using the sites coupon) normally $25 or something like that. Thanks Spud. 😊
@spudknocker I am always wondering whats causing your performance issues. One question. Description says 14900K combined with DDR4 3600mhz RAM? Raptor lake is primarily designed to run on DDR5. What board are you on? Since DCS 2.9 i see most often intel users having trouble. DCS Multithreading seems to run pretty fine on AMD, but having almost no effect on intel platforms or causing even trouble. Even though, DCS should run ultra smooth even without MT on your setup.
I run DCS on a low end PC and get playable framerates. On some complex missions however (such as the ones that come with the Raven One campaign) bug out with certain activations and triggers on my pc whilst working perfectly fine on higher end systems. The Devs reckon it could be something due to the scheduler having a panic attack if it means keeping DCS at playable framerates. I wonder if process lasso could mitigate this.
I tried PL in the past and it made no difference to my fps in DCS, but after watching this, I tried again. Still, it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever. 4K, RTX 4090, 12700K.
You explained how to download Process Lasso and how to set up a DCS-profile. Then what ? Do I need to start PL before starting DCS ? Do I manually select the profile ? Can this be done automatically ?
I just found out I don't have any E cores since I don't have any listed in the program... I think I might not benefit from this, oh well I'll stick to what I have I guess
I had a PC built around the RTX 4090. I, too, was frustrated by the stutters in OpenBeta MT. I stumbled on a process on some forum whereby at DCS startup screen, I go to the task manager, right click on DCS, then right-click Go To Details and then to Set Affinity and uncheck No. 8. It clears up all stutters. Is this an automated way to do this, and is it run at PC startup?
I've just finished a new build a few days ago - 14900 with 4090 (had the 4090 in my i9 11th gen pc and switiched it over to my new build). I'm also getting very poor performance in VR in DCS. Well, I say that, but getting 90fps but it is as you say inconsistent in actual percieved performance. Tried this and it hasn't worked for me. Going back to my 11th gen. Was getting great performance and very consistent. I'll have a look around in 6 months time when someone has figured out what the hell is going on.
@@joadt to be frank, if you didn't know about XMP there are many other things you've probably missed that could explain the bad performance. It's probably user error. On the software side you should update to the latest mobo BIOS and use the mobo driver utility to get all the latest drivers in windows, you need windows 11 for that CPU to be used correctly, you need resizable bar enabled in BIOS, and you probably need to learn how to overclock and undervolt to tune your system properly. On the hardware side you could have bought slow budget crap RAM (I think 6Ghz is the minimum sweet spot for 14th gen Intel at the moment, but don't quote me). Maybe you have an undersized CPU cooler, bad case cooling, bad cooler mount pressure, bad cooler thermal paste job, bad fan direction\placement, etc. Your best start would be running the quick free benchmark at the userbenchmark website. Allow it to upload the results and it'll give each of your components a "percentile" ranking compared to others with the same PC parts. This will quickly show you if your CPU, GPU, RAM, SSD, etc is underperforming. It gives a few scores so make sure you're reading the "percentile score" with "of 100 PCs with the same components, yours is performing...". Note: It is a quick benchmark and isn't good at finding thermal issues. You'll need overclocking tools like p95, intelburntest and temp monitoring tools like coretemp to check that. All software mentioned is free.
Incorrect, it applies to AMD CPUs with two CCDs, especially the x3D variants. It can eliminate micro stutters and poor performance due to eliminating the need to traverse the slow infinity fabric between CCDs, and locking the load to the CCD with the huge cache. Flight sims LOVE the huge cache CCD.
I have 2 questions : 1 - What about if there no button "P-Cores" to click on (I have a RTX 2070 SUPER) 2 - Does all of this work with VR ? Many thanks in advance
I think the MT / DLSS + 4090 = "BUT, WHAT DO I DO WITH MY HANdS" I get better FPS with Priority set and Dlss off . same config with 13900k Without MT Fps + with dlss on. VR vs NON VR with 4k resolution
@@jamisondanecker8186 I'll try that. I hope ED keep working on making DCS more VR friendly. You need to be a computer genius to make it work. Process Lasso has made DCS playable for me but it doesn't run as smooth as it should. Thanks for the comment mate
So, I already have a base PC, that's running on integrated right now, as I don't have the money to buy all parts at once, and I was considering the RTX 4070 ti super . What are your guy's thoughts on that GPU for DCS?
If any one can help me out sorry if all ready asked I installed free lasso but I always get an pop up at the start to update the version . I select not to well this still run the game even if I don't update
right, so, all this program is doing is messing with process affinity, priority and power plans. the affinity and priority part is fine (as long as you don't screw it up) but messing with the power plans can cause many cpu issues long term because you are essentially messing with how the processor schedules tasks, how it handles it's power budget and how it manages it's cores (turbo boost times etc). Without proper cooling and knowledge of how cpu's work you will damage your cpu using this. Also, as stated in the video, you will encounter issues in windows as well if you configure process priority and affinity wrong and you will. So instead of using iffy programs like process lasso, just crawl up ED's backside and make them properly modernise and optimise their engine instead. Also for all the people complaining of low fps in VR, it might have been an idea to buy a pc that was fully capable of the workload, configure it properly so it is running right (like cap from GR. he complains his pc is crap but if you look at the specs it's just coz he has no idea what he is doing) and a vr headset that was actually good like an index instead of that sub $500 crap that is so super popular.
Hi Spudknocker, many thanks for your hints. On my side and after sticking to your recommandations.. Still suffer from stutters, weirdly especially flying low over the sea and flying by boats. I apply strictly what you said and it is better but the issue is not completely addressed. Would you mind to disclose your in game settings.. I'd be so grateful, knowing I run a High end PC (I9 13900K, RTX4090, 64GB RAM).
How is that possible with your specs? I'm running an old I7 6700K, 2080 Ti and 16GB RAM with almost everything maxed out in DCS? This makes me fear buying a new PC soon.
There is still a missing piece to this puzzle. My E-cores have been disabled forever and I still need to disable a maxed out P-core once DCS is running and then re-enable it for DCS to be buttery smooth. There is a scheduling problem in the intel 14900k that effects DCS performance. Hopefully ED figures it out in the future.
Unparking your cores should fix it, Bitsum has a nice little program called ParkControl, use that to install the Bitsum Highest Performance power plan and use that power plan when you run DCS... Problem solved (hopefully, all the people I spoke to that tried this reported problem solved, me included)!
Hey guys! Here is a link to the Process Lasso Website: bitsum.com/
And a link to my video explaining how to Exclude DCS From Windows Defender Anti-Virus: th-cam.com/video/JshLOxeX3dM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1klK8nhsp31FNKKQ
Not sure if you mentioned it, but this applies to virtually ALL CPUs to one degree or another. Even disabling access to the hyperthreaded/SMT cores can have a benefit on older CPUs. The P and E cores aspect applies to Intel CPUs from 12th Gen on.
On AMD you'll want to adjust if your CPU has multiple CCDs (5950x, 5900x, 7950x, 7900x, 7950x3D, 7900x3D, threadripper, etc.). Lock DCS to the cores of one CCD so the slow infinity fabric is not used. For the X3D CPUs, you want to lock DCS to the CCD with massive cache.
not fully understanding why you are having problems with a high-end GPU and CPU???? two why would you make a video after you upgrade your computer????? so what about using a 3050 GPU and an i5 CPU ?? will this work ????... I bet you don't know... every person that has a high-end computer shit on us little guys by showing off what you going .. everybody doesn't have the money to buy a computer like yours .. so when you talking about a new program you should keep in mind us broke computer players
@@stopthemadness398 Looks like you're having a hard time and venting your frustrations on people who don't deserve it, so I am here to help you. I don't know much about @Spudknocker but I would wager he has spent a lot of time and work getting to where he is financially to afford a leisure hobby that may not be attainable to all. There are a lot of people in your situation if not most, and that includes people that Spudknocker also interacts with who he is trying to help out with the information he posted which coincides with your situation. Please read the post above you by @Specter0420 that may address your questions and feel free to browse through the rest of the posts to see what other people have to say. Hopefully we can get you to enjoy DCS without you having to do anything drastic.
My CPU page doesn’t have P Cores, just stagger and the ones to the right.
@@jeffscott8718 same. I have a 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-12400F.
Me watching the video, when I don’t have a PC or DCS.
Wtf are u doing here LMAO
I know the feeling...been there done that.😂
@@gabriel-bl4ckh4wk-6 I find myself doing a-lot of things that dont make sense when I’m trying to do something else.
Yup
Lmaoo
The "Take my breath away" mp3 on your desktop is the most DCS player thing ever lol
He does love the TOMCAT after all
LOL its from making this video haha th-cam.com/video/7a5kpr6-3OY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Feft4_6YE5kEWxgn
Nah, we know you alt tab and start playing it whenever the tomcat starts up... speaking from experience
@@ovaldreamx4397he's got a script making it a keybind.
Unless I'm mistaken, AMD users can ignore this. There is no e-core/p-core on AMD processors so all cores are the same performance AFAIK.
AMD users like me can only click on "Disable SMT" instead, it's the same thing, deactivate all your emulated cores, i learned this on a performance guide tutorial to Tarkov. But if the games now has compatibility with multi-threading (MT), idk if this is a good idea, i wonder.
You're mistaken. Lock DCS to physical cores (non-SMT) if your CPU has more than 8 threads and you'll see a boost. If your AMD CPU has more than one CCD, lock DCS to the physical cores on one CCD so the slow infinity fabric isn't used. If you have a 7950x3D or 7900x3D you REALLY want to lock DCS to the first CCD, the one with massive cache.
@@Specter0420 OK, good info. My performance with the 2.9 patch has been consistently butter smooth, but I'm on a Ryzen7 5800X. Regardless, the procedure as presented in this video can't be followed if you have an AMD CPU, you will see different options even if it accomplishes the same thing.
First, this app is similar to the app we used to use for FSX which would lock apps and games to using only specific number of cores which was awesome because back then and honestly even today most CPU's and Games utilize only about 4-6 cores at most but also the first 4 cores in AMD processors generally provide the most performance so it is nice to be able to lock a game to only certain cores. As for the comment about disabling your other CCD(s) because of Inifity Fabric, only certain games take a hit in performance because of it others can have a boost it really all depends on the game and it's optimization. I dunno about DCS but in general the performance hit is usually VERY little and performance reward for disabling it does not normally make it worth it if you are already doing extra background applications like streaming or video editing etc. But that's up to preference.
Eh, I have a thread ripper 16 cores. I tie everything I can on the 0-11 cores and save the last 4 cores for DCS. DCS only uses 2 cores, so I tied it to my last 2 cores 14-15, I run VR so SteamVR/SRS or any other programs related to DCS to 12-13. Haven't had any issues in the last few months while running it this way to include other programs I use (adobe/steam games/video editing).
I have always had trouble maintaining control when attempting to hover with AH-64D. The combination of disabling real-time virus scanning and using process lasso to force DCS on the P-cores has resulted in much easier fine control for me. It was also necessary to set DCS priority to high as you suggested. There are all kinds of videos out with good advice on how hover better, but your suggestions make it so much easier for me. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
😮 The fact that everyone has a 4090 amazes me
Hehehehe yeah, I still think my 3070 is 'new' and all the 'real gamer' sorts are griping that the 4090 is too old and slow :)
Me with a GTX 1050
@@devilsoffspring5519 Same!9
The 4090 is such a performance king for DCS, and everything else. Upgraded from a 3 year old 3070 last year, having just missed out on a 3080 at launch - and just went eff it, I'm getting one.
ALL of my regular DCS friends have one, in fact I'm the last on the train - succumbed to their constant raving. 😅
@@JSmith73 I'm poor so had to save money for years to buy my 3070. For an older card it sure as hell is capable!
I'd love a 4090 just to have it, but if I could afford one I'd probably buy a car instead :)
this really worked. thank you, because these stutters were driving me crazy. this also explains why these stutters come mainly in multi threading mode.
I really appreciate these performance videos lately Spuds, as I too have recently built a brand new PC which is a tremendous upgrade from last and that includes even the monitor as I came from a 1080p tv to a 1440p monitor and GTX970/R5 1400 to a Rx 7900XT/R7 7800x3d. I am still getting used to windows 11 and the video specifically talking about the Windows Security and how to boost performance helped tremendously! Now, just need to make the jump to VR next year, which may include another processor upgrade, possibly even another GPU upgrade lol. But, playing DCS with buttery smooth performance and actually being able to make large complex missions without my PC crashing is just an awesome experience..
Fantastic man! I am so glad it’s helped you out!
I swear DCS has more mood swings than I do 😑
Thanks Spudknocker for the guide. Will give it a try!
Thanks, I've been having the same issues.. But I'm new to DCS and just a basic computer operator so I felt hosed.. But You just gave me a large helping hand with an EASY to follow and understand walk through... Thank ya again.. 👍👍😸
Wow thanks so much. 13900k, 4090 here as well. This has completely changed the game for me. Literally 0 stutters now.
Thanks Spud !!! Another award winning upload from you !!
Thank @spudknocker for the tuning effort and analysis! I have analogous hardware and can also verify this makes a difference where MT stutters. My CPU priorities also include ovrserver (quest3 openxr runtime) & audiodg (seems to alleviate audio stutters that break immersion). I had also dedicated a CPU core to the audiodg runtime.
DCS was a stuttering mess on a brand new high end machine. Process Lasso solved it. All the thanks in the world Spudknocker and Process Lasso!!!
Love your videos, Spudknocker. I still use your TrackIR profile!
OoO I have to see if he still has it posted somewhere.. Would like to try it! I have gotten pretty good at setting it up but there are still some settings I am a little iffy on.
I have been using this for 4 months. Before, I could not fix the framerate problems and LIVED IN 100+ HOURS of 20-30 FPS in DCS VR with Oculus Rift S! Then I found Process Lasso... 80 FPS all day. It's a must need.
i9-10900k
32GB
2080ti
And you couldn’t share?
Just installed Process Lasso today to give it a try. Felt like an immediate improvement overall. I played about three hours. More “trials” this weekend, but so far, so good.
VR is playable again, THANK YOU
I just want to give you a huge thank you. I bought an Alienware a few months ago, and the game was unplayable. This fixed it. Cheers!
If you have an AMD cpu you don't need this since every core is equivalent to a PCore, and you can set the DCS process to a higher priority directly in the Windows task manager.
Thanks Soud, this looks like a great solution. Just awesome.
This worked for me, for the most part. i7 14700k, 4070ti and 64GB of RAM. Sometimes, though, if I load DCS with PL in the background I get terrible stuttering and it doesnt go away until I close out PL. Not sure why. When it works, I get +20 FPS. I wish I could figure out the issue..
Thank you. Brilliant. Really appreciated tip. Works Brilliantly
Thanks again for another great video. Just wondering if I am doing something wrong, when I follow your instructions to the CPU Affinity Tab there is no PCORS BUTTON or ECORES button to push. I am running a I7 !0700K CPU and wondering if its architecture does not lend itself to the provisions of Process Lasso. Thanks
Do you open this before launching DCS and run in background or is a set and forget?
process lasso will always run in the background, once you've done what the tutorial says you can completely forget about it, but kep in mind that it will give oyu a very annoying popup everytime you start your computer
Another awesome video from the fps boost guy himself!
Do you have to run ProcessLasso in the background while playing DCS or can you just open ProcessLasso, change the settings, close it and never open it again?
In summary:
Intel created a problem (ecores), which you have had to solve.
Just like Microsoft created a problem (Windows Defender), which you have had to solve.
It's notable how much time and effort you have had to spend, just to get normal performance back into your PC.
Holy crap! This made my VR so smooth!
So glad to hear it!
Thank you for looking out for the DCS community Spud, always a helpful video.
Great Video! You can also set the processor affinity with windows cmd. If you need more Process Lasso is a good tool. All the best!
Thanks for another excellent video on optimization for DCS. My newly built DCS PC is quite similar to yours's 4090 GPU, but I 'm using AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU. Any thoughts on if this would work on the Ryzen CPU infrastructure?
Ryzen doesn't use E-cores, there's no need for this. If you had a 7900x3d or the 7950, there might be a reason to limit it to the CCD with the actual 3d cache, but the 7800x3d only has 1 CCD so its a non-issue.
Excellent insight, much appreciated.
There is a similar issue with MSFS 2020. As an AMD user I don't have E-Cores, but MSFS will sometimes use HT-Cores for performance relevant tasks and can be really slow, especially the loading times. Process Lasso will help here too. Since I limit MSFS to use only the physical cores of my 7800X3D, the loading times are much faster and more consistent.
Thanks Spud it worked for me.😄
does process lasso needs to be open all thetime for it do wok?
That moment when you need an external software to get your game to a consistantly good performance. ED really has to put more attention to this.
With 4090 and 5800x3d DCS run butter smooth in VR even in large mp mission in Syria so I can't complain
@@ziosam850 Thank you for sharing
DCS updater utility helps allot with this. plus loads any external apps you choose to run.. Starts taking up space due to different personal builds/
@@ziosam850 open xr? steam. MTbin? lots of different ways to go. just curious
Not an ED thing is an Intel chipset plus windows I don't know what to prioritise thing. Not much ED can do until Microsoft and Intel come up with a better CPU core scheduling system. As it screws up choosing what e-core and P-core to use on most software not just DCS.
Most don't know about it though
I've used process lasso for quite a while with DCS, but the biggest change came when I unparked the cores. 12700k/3090/32 DDR5
What is the best program for that, IYO?
The makers of Process Lasso have an app for that too.@@knutstrom1
@@knutstrom1 No program, a registry edit......th-cam.com/video/sFz8HRk4WfI/w-d-xo.html
@@andyrudeseal6347just use CPU-z you will see the ones taking the heat. process hacker is another some anti flag on it.
Ryzen 7 7800x 3d & MSI Slim 4090 undervolt 0.9 DCS all settings on high no stutters over 100fps consistently and over 60fps in VR 🎉
The Pcores option has been removed since you uploaded this. What do you do??
Ok. Tried your recommended settings, I thought it was working well. When I went back to 2D the frame rate was appalling. I have a 14900k and a 4090 and 64 GB of fast RAM. Something wasn’t right, clearly. Eventually I switched off the profile I’d created in PL. I then used the default settings, either High or Ultimate Performance. Kaboom! Back to what I should have been seeing. Silky smooth maxed out settings at 200 FPS. Ok, now back to VR. Yup. The best performance I’ve seen since I embarked on an extensive tweaking and testing extravaganza. My VR performance was bottlenecking at the CPU , it still is, but using PL has resolved the random spikes and odd stutter I was seeing. My advice? Try the settings that come with the program first you may find it’s all you need. 👍🏻.
The easiest way to manage DCS with process lasso is to pay for the program and then use the one click power profile setting for your exe files. The best setting I’ve found for DCS is Bitsum ultimate performance. But the whole program is great for running your PC more efficiently.
Hello, Where Can I find these default settings you mention? I mean "High" or "Ultimate Performance"? I installed PL and it did help me though I wish to try the options you mentioned. Thanks
Good info to pass on to those in similar circumstances.
Thanks Spud for your research. I will be implementing this for my 5800-3D.
How did it do?
Yup you can do this via the MT shortcut too. I have limited DCS to 4 Cores not all 12 and its a big big difference.
Looks, I got a new project when I get home today. Hopefully this helps with the lag I get on the South Atlantic map.
Hopefully it helps!
South Atlantic seems to be more of a GPU hog than CPU. It always 99s my GPU at low altitude while CPU usage is the same as other maps.
It's the biggest map in the game it's huge compared to the others, but still needs more optimisation but they are working on it continuously
hey @spudknocker ..weird question..but, what is the name of the song at intro?
The DCS developers are just getting around to multithreading, like 20 years late. Just in time for hybrid CPUs to be the norm. I guess they'll get around to coding for these in the mid 2040s.
The same goes for AMD, especially those with two CCDs with different cache sizes and core speeds, like my 7950x3D. I locked DCS to the physical cores on the cached CCD and realized a massive increase in smoothness.
Yet, there is not anything similar to DCS if you want to simulate air combat
@@lokenb Falcon BMS is arguably a better sim than DCS.
@@YerbaBoi nope
Sure, BMS is a better sim, and takes advantage of all the hardware improvements of the last decade, latest GPUs, CPUs, etc. Yet DCS is the main culprit of not using all the cores...
Ehh dcs is fairly arcade compared to bms if you fly f16, but for other planes dcs wins. Bms dynamic campaign is waaay better than anything in dcs. But i still play more dcs because i like Carrier stuff :D
I have the 14900k as well but have no problems but check your Bios for somthing called Gamers Legacey mode (or somthing like that) as on my Asus motherboard this will turn off the E-cores just by pressing "Scroll Lock" on the keyboard with no need for 3rd party software
Exactluy MSI pro series MBO also has simmilar
Thank you. My PC is a beast yet stutters constantly. Just set this up and fingers crossed I can run without stutter
Let me know what your results are!
@Spudknocker it worked. In fact, I maxed out all the in-game options, which I always felt I should be able to run. There are no issues around the board. Huge thank you, I feel like I'm on an entire new sim.
I've heard it's a good idea also to exclude 0 core what is most often used by Windows and system - I'm not sure if I'm right about that but could be worth trying. Thanks for the video.
Man I love DCS but the sheer amount of people with a $2000 GPU that struggle to run it is honestly fucking unacceptable from Eagle Dynamics.
ProBalance doesn’t have to be disabled. You can exclude all the processes you want to be left alone from ProBalance. For the rest of them, ProBalance will be able to act on them and lower their priority temporarily.
Unparking my CPU Cores helped a lot. Just in case.
This is more important than setting it to all P cores. You can leave it to use both if you do this as a lot of spikes are the P cores waking up from a low state to be used and doing this fixes that and the spikes in DCS.
"Crazy FPS boost"...I think you may be overselling it, it certainly helps with stutters & pauses but fps boost was modest but worth having. Not such a dynamic strapline that though, that's why I never wet into journalism :D
Tha ks this helped out a lot
amazing video again. Thanks!!
Unfortunately this did not work for me. It made DCS unplayable. Frames were 1-15 on the main DCS page where normally the FPS is 120 on my system. The mouse was lagy and the mission would not load.
I have a Core i5 12600K 3.7 GHz, 64ghz of DDR4 Ram, RTX 3070 gpu, and DCS is on a dedicated 2tb SSD.
My stutters weren't really to bad and I thought this might help but sadly it did not. I did follow your instructions to the letter. Thanks for putting info like this out there.
Leave your feedback people ! Did you got more performance? You solved any problem? Did u run the dcs.exe from the vanilla folder or the MT folder?
I didn't notice a difference, but I run all AMD which has a different architecture than Intel and I think some Intel chips may differ. Doesn't matter what version of DCS/Program you use. Remember, you're tweaking the programs you want effected by this by running them in the background, so it shows up on Task manager or the program mentioned above "Lasso"
Using PL for years now, This is especially important program on Win 10 , Win 10 can't handle e-cores properly (win 11 can, but PL is still better)
silly question, but does process lasso need to be open in the background while playing DCS or can it be closed once its been set up
Does Process Lasso stay running in the BG (and start at boot) or do I need to start it and select the profile for DCS every time I load up DCS? Have you tried this with DCS in VR?
Following...
It will run in BG all the time. Once you get the settings for DCS put in, as soon as DCS loads process lasso will run it at Max
So, I set it up last night and can report that it does run in the BG, and is set by default to launch when windows starts. I played for a few hours and it did seem to improve performance in VR, far less stuttering, far more consistent. Anecdotal for sure, but it seems to help. Before I would get stutters like mad when on the ground, or when looking at complex geometry for the first time, and that seems to have been mitigated.
My specs for those with a similar rig and problems:
i9 13900k
4090
64gb RAM
Varjo Aero - running at "High" 35PPD
Before trying Lasso, running 35PPD would get stutters, 37 or 39 was a complete mess, even with DCS quality settings set to "VR quality". I'll be trying 39PPD and upping the DCS settings to see what's what.
I have the 14900k as well, didn't think I'm having any issues after the most recent bios update, however everyone told me I should do this anyways and I found your video. When I press "P Cores" it auto sets it to the first 15 cores not 7. I didn't manually change anything, have any recommendations?
Thank you Spud!!!
We were promised better QA, but we most certainly did not get that. We got the same tradition of breaking something in the Viper, new features for it that aren't implemented correctly, and the same capricious and arbitrary church lady mods who use our money to silence us because they don't think people have agency or sense or a right to criticize what they spent their money on. They should be doing QA instead of wasting our money.
I bought Lasso. And boy what a difference!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉. I have an 4060ti i7 - it has never run this good. DCS, MSFS, Cyberpunk, they are consistent at 90+ frames. No questions asked. Worth the $18 investment (using the sites coupon) normally $25 or something like that. Thanks Spud. 😊
@spudknocker I am always wondering whats causing your performance issues.
One question. Description says 14900K combined with DDR4 3600mhz RAM?
Raptor lake is primarily designed to run on DDR5. What board are you on?
Since DCS 2.9 i see most often intel users having trouble. DCS Multithreading seems to run pretty fine on AMD, but having almost no effect on intel platforms or causing even trouble.
Even though, DCS should run ultra smooth even without MT on your setup.
I think you can do the same thing to the cpu via the bios but for anything that you run.
Do you have to run it every time you reboot before playing?
No, only if you want to change it
I run DCS on a low end PC and get playable framerates. On some complex missions however (such as the ones that come with the Raven One campaign) bug out with certain activations and triggers on my pc whilst working perfectly fine on higher end systems. The Devs reckon it could be something due to the scheduler having a panic attack if it means keeping DCS at playable framerates. I wonder if process lasso could mitigate this.
i dont have the P cores option
So what type of increase did you get?
Is this something DCS could eventually fix?
Of course. Will they? no.
My CPU has 24 cores and I don't see the option to set P cores.
Damn, was hoping for a stuttering fix. I guess this doesn't really work on the 7950x NON-3D CPU's.
I tried PL in the past and it made no difference to my fps in DCS, but after watching this, I tried again. Still, it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever. 4K, RTX 4090, 12700K.
Any idea if Process Lasso needs to be running on the background for this to work?
Bro, thank you. I was ready to uninstall the damn game.
Thanks, Do you have to do this every time you boot up DCS??
You explained how to download Process Lasso and how to set up a DCS-profile.
Then what ?
Do I need to start PL before starting DCS ?
Do I manually select the profile ?
Can this be done automatically ?
Great vids!! How do you acticvate Game Turbo (High performance) ? Can`t find this under main - Active Power Profile.
I just found out I don't have any E cores since I don't have any listed in the program... I think I might not benefit from this, oh well I'll stick to what I have I guess
split your cores. set the game to run on half and all other active applications to only run on the other half.
Same. No Pcore or Ecore tabs for me.
I had a PC built around the RTX 4090. I, too, was frustrated by the stutters in OpenBeta MT. I stumbled on a process on some forum whereby at DCS startup screen, I go to the task manager, right click on DCS, then right-click Go To Details and then to Set Affinity and uncheck No. 8. It clears up all stutters. Is this an automated way to do this, and is it run at PC startup?
hey spud, i dont have the P-core option, so i just selected the first colum (cpu 0 - cpu 7), is this correct? i have an i7 11700K.
Same
I go a step further and set all other applications to only run on e-cores.
I've just finished a new build a few days ago - 14900 with 4090 (had the 4090 in my i9 11th gen pc and switiched it over to my new build). I'm also getting very poor performance in VR in DCS. Well, I say that, but getting 90fps but it is as you say inconsistent in actual percieved performance. Tried this and it hasn't worked for me. Going back to my 11th gen. Was getting great performance and very consistent. I'll have a look around in 6 months time when someone has figured out what the hell is going on.
Did you set XMP so your RAM isn't running at the budget crap's speeds?
@@Specter0420Hey - no I didn't do that. How do you do it and will it make a difference?
@@joadt you need to go into your motherboard's BIOS and change the settings in there. Google/TH-cam it, it's easy.
@@Specter0420Cheers mate. Found it in the BIOS. I has made a difference. My 11th gen pc is still better performance. But thanks!
@@joadt to be frank, if you didn't know about XMP there are many other things you've probably missed that could explain the bad performance. It's probably user error. On the software side you should update to the latest mobo BIOS and use the mobo driver utility to get all the latest drivers in windows, you need windows 11 for that CPU to be used correctly, you need resizable bar enabled in BIOS, and you probably need to learn how to overclock and undervolt to tune your system properly.
On the hardware side you could have bought slow budget crap RAM (I think 6Ghz is the minimum sweet spot for 14th gen Intel at the moment, but don't quote me). Maybe you have an undersized CPU cooler, bad case cooling, bad cooler mount pressure, bad cooler thermal paste job, bad fan direction\placement, etc.
Your best start would be running the quick free benchmark at the userbenchmark website. Allow it to upload the results and it'll give each of your components a "percentile" ranking compared to others with the same PC parts. This will quickly show you if your CPU, GPU, RAM, SSD, etc is underperforming. It gives a few scores so make sure you're reading the "percentile score" with "of 100 PCs with the same components, yours is performing...".
Note: It is a quick benchmark and isn't good at finding thermal issues. You'll need overclocking tools like p95, intelburntest and temp monitoring tools like coretemp to check that. All software mentioned is free.
Does this program you need to open and do this whole procedure every time you start up your computer? Or is this a one and done deal
one time deal
eCores have been introduced by INTEL as 12th Gen++ only.
Might be good to note in the title this applies only to Intel CPUs. AMD uses a different core architecture that does not have "P" and "E" cores.
Incorrect, it applies to AMD CPUs with two CCDs, especially the x3D variants. It can eliminate micro stutters and poor performance due to eliminating the need to traverse the slow infinity fabric between CCDs, and locking the load to the CCD with the huge cache. Flight sims LOVE the huge cache CCD.
I have 2 questions :
1 - What about if there no button "P-Cores" to click on (I have a RTX 2070 SUPER)
2 - Does all of this work with VR ?
Many thanks in advance
can you please show the performance boosts with us, coz I didn't see any actual improvement
I still get the stutters after doing this. Not idea why
I9 14900KF
Rtx 4090
128gb ram
Too much stuff bro, need to downgrade, 3080, i7, 32gb of ram
jk of course
i think its the 14900. I run 13900k and it seems to run better with dlss off
I think the MT / DLSS + 4090 = "BUT, WHAT DO I DO WITH MY HANdS" I get better FPS with Priority set and Dlss off . same config with 13900k
Without MT Fps + with dlss on. VR vs NON VR with 4k resolution
@@jamisondanecker8186 I'll try that. I hope ED keep working on making DCS more VR friendly. You need to be a computer genius to make it work.
Process Lasso has made DCS playable for me but it doesn't run as smooth as it should. Thanks for the comment mate
Try disabling your paging file in windows you have enough Ram to do this, if should help with stutters. Google how to do it it's easy
i have additional hyperthreading options to disable thats not shown on your video. seems you disabled it in bios/uefi
@Spudknocker What MBO you got under that madness?
So, I already have a base PC, that's running on integrated right now, as I don't have the money to buy all parts at once, and I was considering the RTX 4070 ti super . What are your guy's thoughts on that GPU for DCS?
If any one can help me out sorry if all ready asked I installed free lasso but I always get an pop up at the start to update the version . I select not to well this still run the game even if I don't update
nice job ! cool
do you have to open lasso everytime or.....
right, so, all this program is doing is messing with process affinity, priority and power plans. the affinity and priority part is fine (as long as you don't screw it up) but messing with the power plans can cause many cpu issues long term because you are essentially messing with how the processor schedules tasks, how it handles it's power budget and how it manages it's cores (turbo boost times etc). Without proper cooling and knowledge of how cpu's work you will damage your cpu using this. Also, as stated in the video, you will encounter issues in windows as well if you configure process priority and affinity wrong and you will. So instead of using iffy programs like process lasso, just crawl up ED's backside and make them properly modernise and optimise their engine instead.
Also for all the people complaining of low fps in VR, it might have been an idea to buy a pc that was fully capable of the workload, configure it properly so it is running right (like cap from GR. he complains his pc is crap but if you look at the specs it's just coz he has no idea what he is doing) and a vr headset that was actually good like an index instead of that sub $500 crap that is so super popular.
Hi Spudknocker, many thanks for your hints. On my side and after sticking to your recommandations.. Still suffer from stutters, weirdly especially flying low over the sea and flying by boats. I apply strictly what you said and it is better but the issue is not completely addressed. Would you mind to disclose your in game settings.. I'd be so grateful, knowing I run a High end PC (I9 13900K, RTX4090, 64GB RAM).
turn your textures down to medium and see how it goes. I can't really tell the difference and the performance increase was huge for me.
How is that possible with your specs? I'm running an old I7 6700K, 2080 Ti and 16GB RAM with almost everything maxed out in DCS? This makes me fear buying a new PC soon.
There is still a missing piece to this puzzle. My E-cores have been disabled forever and I still need to disable a maxed out P-core once DCS is running and then re-enable it for DCS to be buttery smooth. There is a scheduling problem in the intel 14900k that effects DCS performance. Hopefully ED figures it out in the future.
It affects all intel cpus from 1100 series onwards
And it's not an ED issue it's an Intel Microsoft issue. Windows 11 is better at working out the scheduling but not by much
Unparking your cores should fix it, Bitsum has a nice little program called ParkControl, use that to install the Bitsum Highest Performance power plan and use that power plan when you run DCS... Problem solved (hopefully, all the people I spoke to that tried this reported problem solved, me included)!