As a Lubavitcher chossid it’s time to put a stop to this nonsense that the Rebbe ztzl is alive physically. There was a histalkus, there was a tahara and a kevurah. Non of this takes away from the Rebbe’s tzidkus. Time for REAL lubavitchers to take a stand !!!
I see as a lubavitcher you really didn't learn the Rebbes sichos. Check up chelek chof vav first sicha where the Rebbe says that a nasi HAS to be alive physically at all times. After the friedeker Rebbe the Rebbe took his place and therefore the friedeker Rebbe lived on through the Rebbe, but after gimmel tamuz who took over the Rebbe? Also about yaakov avinu lo meis where the rebbe quotes Rashi opinion in the gemara there that they only held he was dead, therefore they made a levaya etc.
For some reason no one ever mentions that Rabbi Akiva thought bar Kochba was Messiah. However, once bar Kochba died, everyone then knew that he wasn’t. Understand this well.
Rabbi Akiva, the one who thought he was Moshiach knew he wasn't when he started leaving Gd out of the picture it wasn't when he was killed then he had that realization.
If the freidker Rebbe is a tzaddik and nosi of his dor why does he have a ohel, he should also be alive bgashmius and have no ohel. What makes our Rebbe different?
“The rebbe is not limited” What the Christians say about Jesus. This is why there are chasidim and then there is Chabad. Proof- which other tzadikim who have died do we attribute this to. The last one was Shabtai Tzvi and we know how that turned out.
According to מענה לשון there is a special advantage to connecting to the rebbe at the ohel. The נפש of the rebbe is there at the ohel and you can connect all the way to the נשמה level of the rebbe at the ohel
Rabbi, you answered the question about going to the Ohel very nicely. I'm not bothered by the idea that perhaps Mashiach has passed away already, but in due time, Mashiach will return from the dead and complete the Redemption. The Rebbe said that about his father-in-law all the years. But I have never heard that the Rebbe told anyone, that the previous Rebbe is "alive in a physical body." The HASIDIM made that story up! Imagine monkeys that have wings and fly like eagles. Imagine a camal passing through the eye of a needle. Imagine a living cat that is invisible. I don't know of anyone in the world who believes such things, not our times. Now how does a person believe that there is any living creature anywhere in the world that has lungs that breath, but does not reflect light? Are you talking about Star Treck!? The REBBE never asked us to believe such things! If Lubavitchers were saying that the Rebbe were alive and living in Miami, that would be acceptable. (But I'm sure that human eyes never left the Rabbe from when he coded on Shabbos afternoon, until he was burried at the Ohel the next day. So how could the Rebbe have excape?) However, the Hasidim are asking us to believe there is a breathing, eating human being who takes up space in 770, but can NOT be seen or detected in any manner. Many Hasidim believe that the Rebbe travels to their homes at the ends of the earth instantaniously (like a subatomic particle). These people have chosen for themselves a reality of their own making. Why should any of us, any person at all, believe that a biological entity 117 years old, is invisible? and as some Hasidim choose to believe, in all places at one? An invisible, omnipresent biological entity of atoms and mass? Why should anyone believe such a thing? And if you, or anyone else, believe such a thing, how can I trust you on anything at all? You have discredited everything that the Rebbe worked for! This is NOT a 'back burner' issue. Rabbi, you must address the issue of the INVISIBLE MAN !
can you read yidish ? if yes please read the bottom of the page on the right www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=16065&st=&pgnum=235 this is from Chelek 2 of Lekutei Sichos which was said in 1950, if you don't understand Yidish, the Rebbe says "the Rebbe (previous Rebbe) is right now with us, just like he was before, he is in his room listening to us gathered her Farbreinging here" etc.
Physically alive means that he is able to be perceived through the senses. How is the rebbe physically perceived in this world? Where do we go to see him, hear him, etc. You are saying that the rebbe is the one that will take us out of galus. Doesn't that mean you think he is the moshiach? Can you explain how a person who died can be the moshiach when rambam says "If he did not succeed to this degree(referring to building the beis hamikdash, in-gathering the exiles, etc) or was killed, he surely is not the redeemer promised by the Torah." Melachim uMilchamot 11:4. The rebbe unfortunately did not succeed in fulfilling the messianic prophecies so how can he be the moshiach? If one argues that he has not succeeded yet, then what is the rambam teaching? Why would he include this law? These are quite extraordinary claims and I don't believe this video answers the question.
1. the rebbe went to the ohel while telling us the Rebbe Rayatz is with us the same as always. 2. the Rebbe told us to go to the ohel. The only conclusions are it is not a contradiction and those who don't go to the ohel are listening to their own yeshus and not to the Rebbe.
Stop the madness, the Rebbe was nistalek and his physical remains are buried in the Ohel. I think you are doing a disservice to many “normal” Lubavitchers by playing into this nonsense. Please stop using these “ closet” meshichistim as being representative of mainstream Chabad. There are enough normal Chabad Rabbinim available to use to discuss Chabad issues. He’s basically saying that the Rebbe Zatzal is physically alive and if nebbech someone doesn’t get this, then don’t ridicule someone who thinks the Rebbe is buried in the Ohel
Do you really believe this? The rebbe who no one saw or heard from for over twenty years is still physically alive and here with us? If this was really a part of Torah why doesn't any other group act this way? Why didn't chabad act this was twenty five years ago? Enough already. time to move on from this.
As a Lubavitcher chossid it’s time to put a stop to this nonsense that the Rebbe ztzl is alive physically. There was a histalkus, there was a tahara and a kevurah. Non of this takes away from the Rebbe’s tzidkus. Time for REAL lubavitchers to take a stand !!!
I see as a lubavitcher you really didn't learn the Rebbes sichos. Check up chelek chof vav first sicha where the Rebbe says that a nasi HAS to be alive physically at all times. After the friedeker Rebbe the Rebbe took his place and therefore the friedeker Rebbe lived on through the Rebbe, but after gimmel tamuz who took over the Rebbe? Also about yaakov avinu lo meis where the rebbe quotes Rashi opinion in the gemara there that they only held he was dead, therefore they made a levaya etc.
What about what the Rebbe himself said that even though they eulogized embalmed etc Yaakov, yet he didn't die he's still alive?
Total lack of knowledge about what the Rebbe actually said!!
I still don't understand why you think he is physically alive, please clarify.
For some reason no one ever mentions that Rabbi Akiva thought bar Kochba was Messiah. However, once bar Kochba died, everyone then knew that he wasn’t. Understand this well.
Rabbi Akiva, the one who thought he was Moshiach knew he wasn't when he started leaving Gd out of the picture it wasn't when he was killed then he had that realization.
If the freidker Rebbe is a tzaddik and nosi of his dor why does he have a ohel, he should also be alive bgashmius and have no ohel. What makes our Rebbe different?
Is it possible to be Chabad, without believing the Rebbe is Mashiach?
Chanania mordechai yes
“The rebbe is not limited”
What the Christians say about Jesus.
This is why there are chasidim and then there is Chabad. Proof- which other tzadikim who have died do we attribute this to. The last one was Shabtai Tzvi and we know how that turned out.
According to מענה לשון there is a special advantage to connecting to the rebbe at the ohel. The נפש of the rebbe is there at the ohel and you can connect all the way to the נשמה level of the rebbe at the ohel
Hard to take in
Rabbi, you answered the question about going to the Ohel very nicely.
I'm not bothered by the idea that perhaps Mashiach has passed away already, but in due time, Mashiach will return from the dead and complete the Redemption. The Rebbe said that about his father-in-law all the years. But I have never heard that the Rebbe told anyone, that the previous Rebbe is "alive in a physical body." The HASIDIM made that story up!
Imagine monkeys that have wings and fly like eagles. Imagine a camal passing through the eye of a needle. Imagine a living cat that is invisible. I don't know of anyone in the world who believes such things, not our times.
Now how does a person believe that there is any living creature anywhere in the world that has lungs that breath, but does not reflect light? Are you talking about Star Treck!? The REBBE never asked us to believe such things!
If Lubavitchers were saying that the Rebbe were alive and living in Miami, that would be acceptable. (But I'm sure that human eyes never left the Rabbe from when he coded on Shabbos afternoon, until he was burried at the Ohel the next day. So how could the Rebbe have excape?)
However, the Hasidim are asking us to believe there is a breathing, eating human being who takes up space in 770, but can NOT be seen or detected in any manner. Many Hasidim believe that the Rebbe travels to their homes at the ends of the earth instantaniously (like a subatomic particle).
These people have chosen for themselves a reality of their own making. Why should any of us, any person at all, believe that a biological entity 117 years old, is invisible? and as some Hasidim choose to believe, in all places at one? An invisible, omnipresent biological entity of atoms and mass? Why should anyone believe such a thing?
And if you, or anyone else, believe such a thing, how can I trust you on anything at all? You have discredited everything that the Rebbe worked for!
This is NOT a 'back burner' issue.
Rabbi, you must address the issue of the INVISIBLE MAN !
can you read yidish ? if yes please read the bottom of the page on the right www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=16065&st=&pgnum=235 this is from Chelek 2 of Lekutei Sichos which was said in 1950, if you don't understand Yidish, the Rebbe says "the Rebbe (previous Rebbe) is right now with us, just like he was before, he is in his room listening to us gathered her Farbreinging here" etc.
Mc he probably meant his neshama is still there but not physically in a guf
Physically alive means that he is able to be perceived through the senses. How is the rebbe physically perceived in this world? Where do we go to see him, hear him, etc.
You are saying that the rebbe is the one that will take us out of galus. Doesn't that mean you think he is the moshiach? Can you explain how a person who died can be the moshiach when rambam says "If he did not succeed to this degree(referring to building the beis hamikdash, in-gathering the exiles, etc) or was killed, he surely is not the redeemer promised by the Torah." Melachim uMilchamot 11:4. The rebbe unfortunately did not succeed in fulfilling the messianic prophecies so how can he be the moshiach? If one argues that he has not succeeded yet, then what is the rambam teaching? Why would he include this law?
These are quite extraordinary claims and I don't believe this video answers the question.
Very valid point, I agree!
1. the rebbe went to the ohel while telling us the Rebbe Rayatz is with us the same as always. 2. the Rebbe told us to go to the ohel. The only conclusions are it is not a contradiction and those who don't go to the ohel are listening to their own yeshus and not to the Rebbe.
Stop the madness, the Rebbe was nistalek and his physical remains are buried in the Ohel. I think you are doing a disservice to many “normal” Lubavitchers by playing into this nonsense. Please stop using these “ closet” meshichistim as being representative of mainstream Chabad. There are enough normal Chabad Rabbinim available to use to discuss Chabad issues. He’s basically saying that the Rebbe Zatzal is physically alive and if nebbech someone doesn’t get this, then don’t ridicule someone who thinks the Rebbe is buried in the Ohel
Why isn’t this considered Avodah Zara? Asking respectfully
Do you really believe this? The rebbe who no one saw or heard from for over twenty years is still physically alive and here with us? If this was really a part of Torah why doesn't any other group act this way? Why didn't chabad act this was twenty five years ago? Enough already. time to move on from this.