Sparring Senior Male -63kg Final - ITF World Cup 2016 - Budapest
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ธ.ค. 2016
- Produced by: ITF Taekwon-Do (taekwondoitf.org)
Camera operators: Olli Leino, Tuomo Toukomies
Edited by: Olli Leino
Graphics by: Olli Leino
Music by: Olli Leino, Kevin MacLeod
Technical assistant: Tuomo Toukomies
Preproduction assistant: Juho Horttanainen
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I am a Korean and i rlly think we should adopt the ITF Taekwondo rules to the olympics. Right now, it just seems like foot fencing..
Yes, the olympic taekwondo is so damn lame honestly, i was expecting to see some great matches.. boy was i dissapointed..
Thank you and they should!!!!
I do itf and when i watch WTF i really don t understand why they re in the olympics sport and we re not. Damn.
Exactly. Or at least get rid of the damn electronics. WTF sparring at least had power and precision back in the 70s through the early 2000s. Until the electronic sparring gear was introduced which ruined everything.
My daughter is in the UK ITF TKD and I agree watching her matches and then the Olympics I felt her matches are more exciting she’s 11 and doing black belt training already has never lost a local comp and took home a bronze from the worlds and only had 3weeks to train for it was the spur of the Moment thing and she still took home bronze.
Look, I get why most people would think that Taekwondo would be impractical at self-defense, but most of the fancy kicks are just for show and because of how rules in matches work. But if you know how to throw basic kicks, punches, and/or throw, and most importantly, run from such a situation (you don't need to prove anything just be safe), you're gonna be fine.
The best self defense is avoid the fight. No discussion. Matogi is a point's combat, with rules, respect and a lot of pain and humble. But if self defense is for save a life, eyes and groins are so soft and sensitive that they should not be forgotten.
@@WOLFAKKO2 Strike. Scream. Run.
@@terenceangelo8714 th-cam.com/video/5i8TsSAGbzU/w-d-xo.html
Yeah WTF taekwondo is usually just for show and sports but ITF is where you beat the soul out of your opponent until they're knocked out cold
@@redred2460 rules still appear to be pretty restrictive, in my opinion.
I am surprised at how many USA competitors reached the final instances.It seems they've improved a lot over there in the past couple of years.
Carlos is from Argentina maybe there was an error.
@@RNRLIBRARY that makes sense. he might be nationalized american.
@@Liquidcadmus Maybe... But also, probably he wasn't trained by USA trainers or has nothing to do with USA, at least genetically. It's great that USA trust in Latin Americans to represent them anyways.
@@RNRLIBRARY im argentine. A lot of people here want to leave the country. I guess he went to usa and got the citizenship. I didn't know he was argentine but it makes sense. We havr very high ITF tkd level here
@@Liquidcadmus Let me tell you... Argentina has the best Taekwondo in America Latina, maybe the best in America... I'm from R.D and I stopped practice TKD 4 years ago... I was a red belt... I admire the misil Caplloch. About socio-political situation on Argentina we all want to live the North American Dream... not about the country.
ITF founder Choi Hong Hee was the original creator of TKD. He had some disagreements with the other founders of TKD in the 70's and ultimately created ITF after leaving Korea. North Korean influence over ITF coupled with some other factors caused the larger WTF to portray Choi as an unimportant or dishonorable figure in TKD history. In my opinion, ITF TKD is better than mainstream WTF, with less nationalism and more realism.
삼국SamGook THANK YOU!!!!
WTF TKD is better than ITF
ITF & WTF BOTH ARE BETTER.
Nothing to do with North Korean influence. Gen. Choi was a member of the South Korean army and tkd was introduced as its form of unarmed combat. Later after leaving the army Gen. Choi introduced itf style to North Korea and was regarded as a traitor by the government of Seoul. They pulled all support for ITF and the kukkiwon was raised in its place but ITF became supported by the Pyongyang government and is now associated with the north but it's roots are from the south. Ironically the north kept the Japanese style uniforms of ITF.
Less nationalism? They literally had a pattern called Juche
both fighters is a very good,fantastic match
Taekwondo in this video looks like some kind of foot fencing
But a taekwondo in street fight no rules is a different story it's really scary to get hit by a no rules taekwondo.
Yeah getting hit by a good kick to the face might kill you.
@@randomstuff4762 or a back kick o-o
I have blackbelts in both WT Kukkiwon and ITF. Both have taught me great things and I consider blended best
hi, you can give advice how quickly you sit on the sword. I'm 17 and I want to start doing the itf taekwondo. I'm a little scared because I saw a lot of videos where I got people on a sword hard way. it's scary that you can earn injury, I think your advice would help me treat these moments.
WKF Karate should have similar rules to this, it would be better appreciated by the Olympics public.
Karatekrazy they were kinda the same but WTF tae Kwon do had to Change some rules In Order to be a Olympic sport
That's why we have kyokushin karate
Thanks so much
Is that the world dancing star new edition or what? Don't fool yourself you are fighters! You are dancing stars 🤩 ✨⭐✨⭐
the ref should step in and issue a warning when one guy is RUNNING for over a minute, doing nothing but avoiding exchanges entirely.
Why? In a real fight I win if I hit you more than you hit me right? So why would he need to come forward? The name if the game is hit and don't get hit. He's doing just that. He's fighting smart. It's the other guy's fault if he can't out-think him. I think Tim Bos is being too straight forward. He's not feinting enough and just rushing in. Julio Carlos is a smart fighter. You have to out-think him in order to beat him.
@@DavidBarnwell876tkdja i'm sorry bro. i don't respond to "real fight" comments anymore. it's a sport and no sport has anything to do with "real fighting" and i only discuss things in a sport context, and in most combat sports, at least this kind of competition, fighters get cautioned for avoiding the opponent for a minute or more. i complain the same about "leonarding" rounds (vs hagler, alvarado in 2nd rios fight, lara vs canelo, lots of rigondeaux fights, etc) in pro boxing, which deservedly draws a caution in the amateurs. sports don't exist in a vacuum. people have to sit through this stuff.
Yeah that would make it more entertaining, but the sport's about scoring points. Kicking someone to earn a point then keeping away from them is as viable a tactic as camping in a video game. Yeah it's pretty scummy, but it's a way to win
@@CoelhoSports Fighters are only warned if they both stop fighting. If one of them is chasing and the other is running is ok.
@@shafoz not in olympic boxing or wrestling, and judo for example. you will get warned and lose points for stalling, spoiling, retreating too much.
These guys got guts not having their hands up for most of the match
Tkd practitioners tend to sacrifice defence for evasion
Fractal Image they fight more like long guard in Muay Thai, and adjust hands based on distance, what’s longer your leg or your foot? Keeping his hand in the middle instead of all the way down or all the way up helps when you don’t only have to parry and counter punches but also parry and counter kicks, this isn’t boxing. Have you ever seen a Thai stance? Everyone has their own preference, I’m totally against fighting sideways and both hands down, like the WTF but those guys don’t even punch to the head. So you’re kind of missing the big picture here
This is normal in tkd
@@shakh1407 i guess you could say so, but in theory you should have your hands ready to block or counter strike
@@cattac9924 Well not really, tkd practitioners keep their hands by waist, I'm a blue belt its the same everywhere. They rarely stand in punching range either, and always ready to slide back or burst forward. Tkd practitioners in mma are the same, like wonderboy, hands always low to aid with kick momentum and parrying. Its pretty impossible to launch effective kicks with a high guard, you'd have to drop an arm anyways.
could someone explain how the point system works. I wanna understand it alittle better
Punches to the body/head 1 point, body kick 2, head kick 3. And a couple of warnings when you step out of the ring with both feet, avoiding the fight, etc. 3 warnings -1 point. Also for harsh fouls you can get -1 points. You can't attack below the waist.
Fantastic fight🥊
Buenas tardes. Le saludo desde Guatemala. Ya se enteraron que aquí en Guatemala falleció el Sabonim quinto dan Ferdy García. Que lamentable. Creo que fue de Covid
Since both of these TKD opponents and well trained martial artist.
Where were their fighing stances and why were they jumping as if they were doing boxing.
I don't understand the scoring system at all. Why did blue go from 4 points to 1 around 2:25?
I'm not entirely sure myself, since I'm not fully familiar with the rules, but he may have stepped out of bounds, which would likely be a penalty, and his hands also touched the mat, I'm not as sure about this one but it probably would cost him a point as well
Great
Great 👊🏻🥋
Wicked, wicked fight guys. Makes me want to sparr so bad!
Gabriel Choquette same XD
Me toooooo
what are you, neville?
This makes me want to beat the shit out of someone
Why is it necessary to have the ITF in addition to the Olympic Taekwondo? Taekwondo would be much more famous if WT and ITF were a olympic association together. It's a shame.
@Ananymous Blackbelt, you do realize that the WT schools and Olympic style schools are one in the same, right?
@Anonymous Black Belt World Taekwondo is Olympic style, the name was recently changed and took out the word federation. World Taekwondo is the organization that controls every event having to do with Olympic style ruled matches. You don’t know what the Hell you're talking about.
@@greenbeast4648 They're similar enough that olympic style fighters can be coached by ITF coaches. The kicks are mostly the same, it's the fighting rules that are different.
@@Catubrannos what rules are different between the two ? Itf I know
When I sparred like in the dojang, we did use chest gear as lower belts. Blackbelt v Blackbelt didn't and could kick to the head but lower belts were limited to chest striking. I think it's an experience level thing where they didn't want less experienced people to hurt each other in sparring. I also remember I had this whole argument with 2 other Tae Kwon Do students at a public park over which kick was right for one of the patterns. And now knowing there are different style, I think it was different because I learned ITF and they were WTF.
I would say ITF Taekwondo is better for fighting but they still have bad hands they keep their hand down to much I guess that because this is point based WTF looks like they just dancing at this point I used to train Taekwondo years ago but now I do muay thai and bjj I still like Taekwondo even if it's flawed
great fight!
interesante combate, deseo enfrentarme a ellos
Tekken taekwondo ? is fun like this 🙂 it could be the future form of taekwondo
7:28 was that Brazilian Portuguese? é nois
Good fight!!
which one is from miyagi do
no one since is not karate...
Очень крутой бой,я как раз болела за Синего
Синий наш?
안녕하세요. 대한태권도협회원 입니다. 북한의 태권도협회이름은 어떻게 되나요?
동작하나하나가 절도가 있어보이고
아주 훌륭한 경기입니다.
ITF 태권도 라고 하는걸로 압니다.
북한 태권도가 아니고 ITF 태권도이며(북한은 ITF 종주국이 아니고 회원국) 본부는 오스트리아 비엔나에 있습니다.
Came from God of high-school, looks good.
Same
Wow unlike olympc tkd, this is close to light contact kickboxing.
cause this is the traditional TKD
Why do they keep losing points?
They are not losing points. The numbers indicate how many of the four referees are in favor of red/blue at the moment
@@TKDslinger that makes sense.
vamos italia apoyo 100 %
AYO IK IM LIKE AGES LATER THAN THIS VID CAME OUT BUT THIS IS THE TAEKWONDO I GO TO and the vid is in a tournament
Who asked?
Is it just jabs in itf?
No, reverse knife hands, straight punches, backfists...
They also use knees and low kicks in training
but not in competition.
@@Submission_Fighter
Lol they don't, they only do some shitty self defense stuff which looks like bullshido...a muay thai fighter would destroy them
@@intermaths1128 u say that but when u look a modern mma there's plenty of tkd and karate guys that learned how to sprawl who are destroying very high level thai fighters. The idea that there's a martial art better than any other is dying off and quickly. Its all about the fighter.
@@intermaths1128 You've obviously not had much experience with ITF. Knees and low kicks are used in informal sparring including some gradings but for some reason are not allowed in competition sparring.
I like you
wwwooow super gimmss..
The fight was good until the guy in blue got enough points, and decided to avoid contact in the last round. smirking at his opponent who was trying to gain ground, this is why competition karate and taekwondo has gone to shit.
Final adultos hasta 57kg falta
I'm pta and itf
Blue win
Can someone explain to me the scoring system?
They aren't points, its how many refs favor the fighter. If I'm wrong correct me since I fight in the WT(F) style
It used to be 3 points for the head, 2 for the body (with a kick) and 1 for any hand technique. Not sure now.
@@moominpic sounds like wf scoring system!
@@rolandje That is the wt system but if i remember correctly the video shows a itf fight
@@Rac00n ikr
Julio César Carlos un campeón en verdad la tiene muy clara en combate!!!
ITF Taekwondo practitioners perform well in kickboxing. in the west Muay Thai took over Western kickboxing. in Canada MMA is illegal, so kickboxing is more popular. ITF is the only functional version which would work in the schoolyard
They're good at keeping distance with their kicks, specially with the lead foot. They just need work with their punching when it suddenly becomes an in-fight, 'cause to be honest they kinda look like they're throwing haymakers rather than straight punches, jabs, etc. and they tend to lift up their chin when they do so. But all in all they're good fighters.
My guy acting like he knows what he talking abt and is better than both these guys
Hence why it’s a tkd match and not a street fight 🤦🏽♂️ most these tkd guys still do well in actual fighting. In this arena though they need to fight like this in order to win. Barboza, adesanya, pettis, shevchenko are all examples of world class tkd practitioners who proved they were the best fighters in the world too
ITF is better representation of taekwondo
ITF > WT
Who is here because of God of Highschool... so fascinating
me
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they seem to fight better than those in WTF...WTF is advantage for those flexible with their legs,its more like touching hear and there
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До
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the guy in blue fought a japanese ITF in a match and was so disrespectful damn
It’s very much like Tang Soo Do
I am taekwondo fighter for world taekwondo. I couldnt this point system. Absurt
What you see in the graph down there, is how many umpires are giving you the win. As ITF Taekwon-do scoring system relies exclusively on what the 4 corner judges see, the graph is changing constantly during a fight. Punches to the torso or the head are worth 1 point, kicks to the torso are worth 2 and to the head recieves 3 points. The hit must have a certain power for the judge to consider it as a point, and as it relies exclusively on the umpire's eyes and angle he/she is sit on, he/she may or may not see the same than the other 3 judges. The fight is won if you have more judges in your favor. However, you must have at least the vote of two of the judges, as if it finish 1-0, you must go through a 3rd round to tiebreak, just the same in case it finishes 1-1 or 2-2 (It means that 3 of the 4 judges consider it is a tied combat).
Carlos ran more than a chicken being chased by a dog. He's the Mayweather of taekwondo
Mayweather wins every fight. Fighting is about hitting without getting hit. That's true in the ring and on the street. Why fight dumb when you can be smart?
@@DavidBarnwell876tkdja Fight smart in both, but in the street the rules completely change, and the over all best way to fight is to just flat out overpower your opponent which is why BJJ is so effective in MMA. If you are the better Boxer, Knock him out quickly, if you are a big bulk wrestler, Grab that fucker and make him submit.
So no hit and run tactics dont exist in an actual brutal brawl.
Tomy Bos muy superior.
Taekwon
Muchos saltos , pocos golpes
awantaaaaaaaaaaa
Danna fight
Im a Full contact kickboxer. Why on earth are their guards (hands) so low? I'd get my ass handed too me for that even in a light sparring match at my club
Hence why it’s a tkd match and not a street fight 🤦🏽♂️ most these tkd guys still do well in actual fighting. In this arena though they need to fight like this in order to win. Barboza, adesanya, pettis, shevchenko are all examples of world class tkd practitioners who proved they were the best fighters in the world too
Jump jump jump...ok, now I'll go and watch mma to get some adrenaline going..
ITALIA ? mabe ITALY
Came becausd of goh lol
Lmao me too
Lmao me too
Same
Same
Isn’t taekwondo about self defence?
Yes, taekwondo Is about competitions and self defence, in my club we do in first half of training tuls, then self defence, then matsogi and then one or two tuls
No, it's a combat oriented sport. It was originally a combat art but that is not the focus now though different clubs likely have their own focuses. I know some clubs do spend a lot of time doing self defence including against knives and bats/sticks but I know a lot of others that barely touch it and the grading level self defence is minimal at best and not a very important part of the grading which seems dominated by patterns, sparring and breaking.
Sport Karaté sucks, it’s just tag. ITF is where it’s at 😤😤😤
Karate
No le dieron muchos puntos al italiano
WTF Taekwondo overrated, ITF is definitely underrated
How about you step into a WTf dojang and say that? Oh wait! You won’t since you don’t have the balls.
@@greenbeast4648 I am a red belt in WTF taekwondo if you don't know, and I've visited an ITF gym several times, I personally liked it more than WTF
Only with the match rules, though. I still don't know very much about ITF taekwondo's training, though
@@Kettvnen Only a red belt? Why are you a red belt in a WTF school if you like the ITF school so much? That makes no sense. If you don’t like it, leave... what betrayal...wow.
@@greenbeast4648 there's no ITF school near me, I have no other option but to join WTF
those running should get penalization, i hate that part of this
this is world level tkd? wow I am deeply disappointed!!
Watch asia one esp korea
please tell us how many medals you have
What did you want to see? Blood? ITF Taekwon-do aint that type of sport man. It's not full contact. You need Muay Thai or MMA or Bareknuckle for that. It's a great sport/martial art though. Just maybe not your cup of tea y'know.
@Anonymous Black Belt i doubt they will be devastated, hopefully their weak devastation is stronger then their weak fake tip tap kwon do, 2 pussies playing tap foot fencing and an anonymous black belt wanna be
@Anonymous Black Belt triggered red belt lol, 6th dan here, seen it all son, get some stripes on that belt then come chat key board warrior, i come from the hard hitting 80s and 90s tkd taught by korean military, your modern day tip tap toe strip mall mcdojo title sucks
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What the hell just did I watch
You watched 2 dumb asses going at it like 2 cats in a alley way.
I don't like taekwon do I don't understand how it can be popular, maybe because of the Olympics, Tang soo do is much Tang soo do is much better but taekwondo that has no guard and tipa pure kicks is more popular 🤨🤷🏼♂️
olympic/WT and ITF are completely different in rules and fighting. itf uses punches,kicks,knees elbows, submissions and grabs.
This is Taekwondo... Not tip tap shit wtf!
Cual de los 2 taekwondo es mas aburrido este o el wtf....el wtf es un poco mas divertido..
Ambos. Cuando se vuelven deporte pierden la esencia y la espectacularidad.
Así que WT es divertido? Creo que has visto otro estilo y no WT.
Far too much time-wasting in this bout
WTF ruined taekwondo as a fighting art
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this is quite boring
watch the olympics on wtf then I think your opinion would change
u r right.u really changed my opinion
Just whatch some mauy thai 😀
goderino kripparino, the fighting pattern of mauy thai is different
@@sagarmajumder9527 yeah, it is
Que hacen? Jugando a la Mancha? Tienen la capacidad de poner las patas donde quieran a gran velocidad pero en lugar de eso juegan a la mancha chota! Que cagada ! El Taekwon-Do se ha convertido en una kaka. Lástima. Gral. Choi debe estar sufriendo desde el más allá.
boring, i didnt saw aggresive
I not see the grammer
@@asersah I did not see your grammar too, no u
@@seanilol4352 I hope u got the joke
@@asersah I know the joke XD, no u
@@seanilol4352 oh ok cool 😂😂
So you came from GOD OF HIGHSCHOOL, huh?
no
pewdiepie gym fails > mike tyson > joe rogan's insane kicks > kyokushin > Taekwondo because of Hwoarang from Tekken
how is this related to god of hishchool?
All that jumping and putting your hands down is just stupid
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boring fight
Horrible that’s why this wave of taekwondo was never important for OG. Nowadays WT is tiring to this horrible style
I know incredible TKD kicks can be, but this style of fighting with the perpetual dumb bouncing and hands down, is ugly and boring.
so boring!
ThePierre420 dude it's a final, it was very strategic the way they fought because they are in this moment the best of the category and they knew which Game they were going to play...
If you can't appreciate decision-making, go watch an action-movie instead.
Dude try to spar with one of them, you sure will have some fun going through that
Brian Gonzalez WTF 😂
id loved to spar one of them, id probably get my ass kicked, im a 1st dan in itf taekwondo and love sparring
OMG this is world class level?! LMAO.. a national level Sanda or Sanshou opponent would trash both these two easily, simultaneously.
Sry but your martial arts are trash
Theyre fighting with extremely limiting rules. This isnt mma, if you havent realized. Now stop comparing martial arts like this. What youre doing is the equivalent of “my dad can beat your dad” and its cringe as hell.
stfu sanda/sanshou fighter got trashed by muay thai fighter also 😒
Taekwon