DARK SIDE OF EVEREST · Documentary
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- Embark on an awe-inspiring journey to the summit of the world’s highest peak, where the spirit of adventure meets the ultimate challenge. This documentary delves into the heart and soul of Everest mountaineering, exploring the relentless drive and indomitable will that propel climbers to push beyond their limits in pursuit of greatness. Through a series of gripping narratives, witness the harrowing tales of courage, perseverance, and sometimes, heartbreak, as numerous expeditions confront the merciless beauty of Everest. Join us as we uncover what fuels the passion to conquer the seemingly insurmountable, against all odds.
Director: Andrew Palmer
Starring: Beck Weathers, Pete Athans, Zam Baring, Neil Beidleman
#Everest #EverestDocumentary
I visited Nepal and did a fly by of Mount Everest. That was incredible. And that was enough.
I TH-cam Summited 4 mountains and Everest twice in 2 weeks. Binging on these makes me appreciate my warm living room with sea level oxygen.
I feel my muscles aching afterwards! Humans are so strange lol
😂
Same here, I didn't see you up there though lol.
#Boring
Congratulations! Wow. That is a lifetime accomplishment. You can now become an online Sherpa and charge for digital summits
I was in Nepal in the summer of 1995. I spent months visiting villages, valleys, and meeting people. I had aspired to climb Everest and K2 at that time. I was hiking along the base of Everest when sherpas were bringing supplies up to base camp. I was honored to get to speak to these men who connect with the mountain on another level. What they told me changed my mind. The very next season was what I was aiming for which was the 1996 expedition. I’m glad those sherpas imparted their wisdom, it changed the trajectory of my life.
What did they told you? Honestly interested - and sensible decision on your part.
@@foggy6028 they talked about feeling the mountain as being “tired”. They mentioned how the vibrations the mountain sends out felt different, and it was going to continue to communicate its disdain for the lack of respect climbers were giving it. I couldn’t help but feel my journey up that mountain would be disrespectful to it, and the men who are trying to preserve it. The love and respect these men taught me has carried me through a lot in my life.
@@Anistasia5 Thank you so much for elaborating, Anastasia. I can absolutely feel this and wish that more humans could take a lead from the persons which are native to a certain region of the world and trust their wisdom from generations of experience.
What are their names? That's an experience you'd remember
@@Anistasia5I wish you can read my comment on the other channel I exactly the same thing however I phrased it deferent. I believe 1996 was deadly.
Fran’s choice as a mother to not only go, but to task her 7 year old son with the final call on the decision, baffles me. This sweet boy felt like he would be responsible for her regret as an old woman if he asked her to stay, and now feels responsible for the fact that she didn’t get to grow old because he told her to go. I simply cannot believe that this mother put such a horrible weight on her child.
I found that absolutely appalling.
Her charging her son with the final decision, while he was age SEVEN, was nothing short of cruel.
She was supposed to be the adult. I always discussed things with my boy, but I would never do something like that to him.
Making a child responsible for a no win choice is beyond cruel, it is emotional abuse of the worst kind.
The more I watch these videos about Everest the more I think the biggest killer is not the weather height or conditions it’s egos, many of these people seem to have deep pockets but shallow hearts
Completely agree.
for sure, if everyone turned back when they should i think less than 5% of those people would be dead.
Facts
I actually think it’s the ones who were able to scrape together the cash for a one-time only attempt that are the most dangerous. They know they’ll never be able to afford to come back so they go beyond their limits to get to the top and die on descent.
It’s called summit fever
I can understand a wife and children being the inspiration to survive , but I can't understand going on an adventure as dangerous and as expensive as climbing mount Everest after I had the responsibility of a family .
Couldn’t agree with you more. Once you have a family, your priorities have to change.
No way would I go through with sure a thing. It looks like a death sentence to me.Just to say you did it.
Unless you are an actual mountaineer who knows for a fact they can handle the conditions, turn away when need be and can trust your team to do the same you shouldn’t
Agreed 💯
I'm with you. When I went to buy bicycle because I could no longer keep up running with jy kids on their bikes, I told the sales person I wasn't planning on cycling fast. He looked at ne like I was nuts, but, I had a young son and daughter and wanted to stay healthy for them. I can't understand the mentality on going on a dangerous adventure.
I’m grateful this is something I have never had the desire to do.
EVEREST'S HAUNTING DEATH CLUB OF THE BEREAVED (Sue Thompson)
There is an ultimate lesson in intimacy that many will not face until already in the grips of their last breath of life! Whether climbing Everest or trying to reach the many other pinnacles in life that we have set for ourselves: "Pride goes before destruction, and an haughty spirit before
a fall. Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud. He that handles a matter wisely shall find good:
and whoso trusts in the LORD, happy is he." (Pro 16:18-20) I have never been able to separate myself from a soul facing his or her self
determination in eternal damnation of soul! To me, it's like walking off or sitting, with hands folded, and watching someone commit suicide! Just writing off another poor soul who has made a bad choice for themselves is not an option! The certainty of a deathbed is not an ideal opportunity for assiting anyone in a life choice but a Believer in Messiah Yeshua has the responsibility and ordination from Father God, as an help meet! As a born again Christian, I am my brothers keeper! I could never go back and get this shot: opportunity again, neither could I ever sleep again in peace with the haunting memory of someone in my realm of influence having died, in the commission of the ultimate suicide in unbelief: that eternal death of soul; forsaking our Creator's salvation already purchased in His perfect blood sacrifice, of love! Throughout life, we all are climbing, in the deathzone, of immorality, without our Savior! "O death, where
is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The
sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to the grace of God, which gives us the victory through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ." (Isa 25:8, 1Co 15: 55-57) Love in Messiah, Richard
Fran giving a 7yo son the choice of whether she climbed. What a piece of manipulative narcissism. What a burden. This was not his to to carry.
I know my comment is late, but THIS! It was portrayed as a kind thing to do for her son but all I could help thinking was how awful it was to put that on your child!
100 % correct
I’ve seen all of these. The man who impressed me most was the young man who’d been born diabetic. He’d been living with mortality all his life, and he knew without a second thought where his summit was and turned around agonizingly close without looking back. That was a responsible decision taken by a grownup.
It isn’t just diabetics that live with mortality…
@@amaramilligan349 fantastic observation! what in the world made you think that this person was saying that only diabetics suffer from mortality diseases?
We all live with mortality
@@amaramilligan349 Happy birthday u genius!! 🤣🤣🤣
Being able to even make it to the final camp, is a feat in itself.
Being able to do that, as a non-full time climber…is worthy of all praise.
But there is a cost to everything, and tackling this mountain, despite how well guided it is now…should never be taken lightly.
The lady who let her son have the 'last say' on whether she should undertake something so life threatening is really messed up. Imagine the guilt her son has to live with as a result.
that was a fucked up relationship
Yep. Yet he knew at 7 he couldn't stop her even if he'd begged
I have just given the same comment as you. I should have read the comments first but I felt quite enraged by her actions.
Crazy women.
this was my first thought too.
Climbing everest has become the norm. Maybe the real challenge now is 'who can carry humans back down the mountain and save lives'. Now that would be a story worth telling.
You aren't far off from reality. Many people, both alive and dead, have been carried off of the mountain now. But in 96, things were different.
Another question is how many people who summit Everest could have actually done it without all of the prep work and assistance of the Sherpa?
@@seanriopel3132 Depends on what you mean. There are sherpas who climb by themselves, for themselves. I guess technically you could say that even they can't climb without sherpas.
Andrew Brash is a climber based in Calgary with decades of experience. From Alaska and Chile to Nepal and Kazakhstan, Brash has climbed new routes and repeated difficult ones.
He was recently awarded an honorary degree from the University of Calgary for being part of the rescue team that saved Australian climber Lincoln Hall’s life.
I know there's one instance of somebody running out of strength on his way back, but still in the death zone - that's actually where the most deaths happen: people who made it to the summit, but don't have enough strength to get back to where the reduced air pressure doesn't make your brain try to squeeze out of your skull.
His fellow climbers left him behind - which is something I'm not going to judge; helping somebody slows you down, and even 20 minutes more in the death zone can be the end of you _and_ the person you're trying to help.
Another group of climbers on their way up came across him and decided to give up on the summit and instead get him off the mountain.
Given what they invested, and how close they already were, and how powerful summit fever can be: I can not respect that enough. I feel that sort of decision is be what mountaineering should be about, not getting to the summit to take your selfie.
Japanese climber Yasuko Namba had reached 6 of the 7 summits and did also reach the summit of Everest (the 7th summit) but died on the way down in that freak storm. RIP
As amazing as she was... she still only made 6 successful summits. 1/2 way means bad day. R.I.P. Yasuko!
She was too skinny,46 kg more or less : it means that if you have a little problem up there that make you stand still some minutes more you gonna die of frostbite for sure..determination it s not enough: you have to be physically prepared too.
It's one thing to knowlingly risk your life, it's another to ask others to risk theirs for your decision.
EVEREST'S HAUNTING DEATH CLUB OF THE BEREAVED (Sue Thompson)
There is an ultimate lesson in intimacy that many will not face until already in the grips of their last breath of life! Whether climbing Everest or trying to reach the many other pinnacles in life that we have set for ourselves: "Pride goes before destruction, and an haughty spirit before
a fall. Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud. He that handles a matter wisely shall find good:
and whoso trusts in the LORD, happy is he." (Pro 16:18-20) I have never been able to separate myself from a soul facing his or her self
determination in eternal damnation of soul! To me, it's like walking off or sitting, with hands folded, and watching someone commit suicide! Just writing off another poor soul who has made a bad choice for themselves is not an option! The certainty of a deathbed is not an ideal opportunity for assiting anyone in a life choice but a Believer in Messiah Yeshua has the responsibility and ordination from Father God, as an help meet! As a born again Christian, I am my brothers keeper! I could never go back and get this shot: opportunity again, neither could I ever sleep again in peace with the haunting memory of someone in my realm of influence having died, in the commission of the ultimate suicide in unbelief: that eternal death of soul; forsaking our Creator's salvation already purchased in His perfect blood sacrifice, of love! Throughout life, we all are climbing, in the deathzone, of immorality, without our Savior! "O death, where
is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The
sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to the grace of God, which gives us the victory through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ." (Isa 25:8, 1Co 15: 55-57) Love in Messiah, Richard
They all risk their own lives making choices
THANK YOU
She had a very pragmatic approach to things which in the death zone is a plus. Every climber on Everest has enough experience to know you are on your own in the end, conduct yourself accordingly and live or die with the consequences. Otherwise stay home and watch youtube videos like I do.
My extremely spiky cat is sitting in my head as I watch this. YT vids have now become a recognised danger in their own right 😁
Hearing Fran's son talk was really heavy. Poor kid. Seemed like he blamed himself in some way, even though he was only 7 years old. Paul, it was never your fault at all. I hope he's made peace with it all now.
I want to believe she said something like “i won’t go if u don’t want me to” vs the “it’s all up to you on whether or not I go”
The fact the kid even said that, pretty much proves he’s blaming himself. I didn’t know she wasn’t an experienced climber. Absolutely insane that a 1st time climber would try to achieve something even experienced climbers couldn’t do.
She should not have put that burden on him. He called her back to say he had changed his mind and didn't want her to go. And she said, you were right, I would regret it if I didn't go. And went anyway. He really should not blame himself. You don't make a child make a life or death decision.
the ppl that decide to climb Everest "oh im fit i work out everyday"- Doesnt matter. you still need "high altidudes training". first climb the worlds 5th and 4th tallest mountains then make their way up the 3rd, 2nd and then the tallest mountain in the world..
Obviously he had no idea what he was agreeing to, so unfair and cruel to put this decision. In him, was he told that death was very high, that he will most probably lose a parent, that he will feel great guilt for the rest of his life, that he will probably develop a mental illness because of this decision?
@@about84cats86 as a means to cut down on excessive climbers on Everest and to acclimatise climbers to high altitude climbing the Nepalese authorities need to make it a condition for an Everest climbing permit to have first climbed a 5,000m summit, a 6,000m peak and then a 7,000m peak. Climbers wont like the idea but that's too bad.
That would benefit Nepals economy from more climbing permits to the lower mountains. It would also create opportunities for young Sherpas to gain experience on lower peaks while earning an income, that would be way safer than starting on Everest.
I find delirious to sort of "blame the mountain" itself like it has some kind of magical magnetic property on the mind of climbers. What those people feel it's ALL in them, it's their own mindset, and falling for it it's their own downfall.
EVEREST'S HAUNTING DEATH CLUB OF THE BEREAVED (Sue Thompson)
There is an ultimate lesson in intimacy that many will not face until already in the grips of their last breath of life! Whether climbing Everest or trying to reach the many other pinnacles in life that we have set for ourselves: "Pride goes before destruction, and an haughty spirit before
a fall. Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud. He that handles a matter wisely shall find good:
and whoso trusts in the LORD, happy is he." (Pro 16:18-20) I have never been able to separate myself from a soul facing his or her self
determination in eternal damnation of soul! To me, it's like walking off or sitting, with hands folded, and watching someone commit suicide! Just writing off another poor soul who has made a bad choice for themselves is not an option! The certainty of a deathbed is not an ideal opportunity for assiting anyone in a life choice but a Believer in Messiah Yeshua has the responsibility and ordination from Father God, as an help meet! As a born again Christian, I am my brothers keeper! I could never go back and get this shot: opportunity again, neither could I ever sleep again in peace with the haunting memory of someone in my realm of influence having died, in the commission of the ultimate suicide in unbelief: that eternal death of soul; forsaking our Creator's salvation already purchased in His perfect blood sacrifice, of love! Throughout life, we all are climbing, in the deathzone, of immorality, without our Savior! "O death, where
is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The
sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to the grace of God, which gives us the victory through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ." (Isa 25:8, 1Co 15: 55-57) Love in Messiah, Richard
Working in intensive care I can confidently tell you that all humans with low amounts of oxygen in their blood start behaving completely irrationally. Most don’t even believe their judgment is impaired.
That's the part that's scary
Theres a video about a group of mountaineers in Siberia that went thru the same thing. I think all but the leader was college-age.
@@bishop_98were college aged
Hypoxia kicks in and the decision making gets worse and worse, due to the lack of oxygen to the brain.
This may sound weird, but I do believe that the earthquake in Nepal was Everest saying "Enough is enough - there have been so many deaths upon my slopes, and I am tired of it. Leave me alone, and respect those who have lost their lives upon me,"
Ditto, l've always thought that 2
Mountains don't have thoughts, nor do the techtonic plates of the Earth.
Beck Weathers gave up his seat on the helicopter to Makalu Gau as he was close to death not knowing if the helicopter was even going to come back the second time
Beck is a class act. He lives his moral code
No mention of the Russian guy that went three times to bring back people from that group. He tried to get others to assist and they would not. So he went on his own. Why was he not mentioned in this video?
Because he is Russian.
Anatoli Boukreev. He died a year later in an avalanche climbing Annapurna.
Brave Russian who deserved to be credited.
@@a13xdunlop Absolutely 💯
Not to mention he was absolutely slammed for being “unprofessional” for summiting without his clients and without oxygen. He was a hero and a true alpinist
I have spent many years living and travelling in places like the mountainous valleys of Nepal and and the Andes in South America and I can assure you, the humble people of the mountains, living off the land are far happier and complete in life than most in the western world and most attempting to reach the summit of these magnificent mountains.
Agree 100% with you!.
I did as well back in the 90’s. Their traditional life and spirituality is inspiring. I was allowed to hike to base camp with some sherpas who were hiking in supplies. Their absolute respect for these mountains is unreal. They feel the mountain and connect on another level. It was an experience that changed the trajectory of my life.
Imagine asking your young son whether or not you should go,how pathetically selfish is that?
I'm with you 100%! Even if people say that the kid "supported" his parents I'm sure that deep inside he feels that he wasn't enough for his parents to prefer him over climbing a mountain.
I find it crazy that people will endanger not only their lives but the lives of rescuers just to climb a big rock.
It's called arrogance, selfishness and stupidity.
Many hobbies or desires are potentially deadly. More people die in car accidents, drown or doing other mundane activities every day than people die on Mt Everest
It is not a rock, it is a mountain. And not any hill, it's the tallest one in the world - above sea level.
@@rejaneflorinda6162 a mountain of rock right? So a big rock.
@@rejaneflorinda6162the tallest mountain on earth and they had no business on it.
Cathy O'Dowd is lying about the radios. They just refused to help with the radios that night. That the base didn't let them is a lame excuse
You know the risk of climbing Everest, why would you have expectations of anyone bringing you back down because it's impossible to do that.
It's not impossible, it has been done.
@@ashmaybe9634 it's been done but not merely by one individual,, even then they put themselves at risk of death to get them to a camp out of the death zone. I can't say I would blame anyone for leaving me there because they have to think of themselves and their family. Would I be thankful if they did save me, HELL YES.
It's about basic decency.
@@susiepittman601 and common sense
Unless it's you lol carma will get those who walk away from the dying,in some way.
If you enter the death zone willingly you must leave it by yourself, you're not someone elses responsibility. My ex took himself and our son to Nepal in 2014, they went back down the mountains when the cyclone was forecast. We live in the mountains in Australia and know how quickly the weather can change but other people continued climbing on Everest.
Mountains in Australia! Kosciuszko, is only 2228m high! Even in New Zealand we have 120 hills and mountains higher than that, including 10 over 3000m.
@@mirandahotspring4019 no one said yours are smaller than ours. We live on the edge of the tablelands and bushwalk a lot. Trying to get out of the bush when the weather turns is no joke. When my ex heard about the cyclone he took our son out of danger and passed people heading up into it. Another time on a solo trip to Nepal he walked up to the snow line with no equipment just to get photographs. I'm just glad he wasn't reckless when he took our boy.
@@ariadneschild8460 It was the "Living in the mountains in Australia" that I found funny, I still do, I mean its such a flat country! No offence intended.
Tablelands? I went through the 1 Div jungle warfare training school near Tully years ago . Not many mountains around there! Nice place though.
@@mirandahotspring4019 I live I the Mann river valley, semantics I suppose.
@@ariadneschild8460 Sorry, when you said "Tablelands" I assumed north.
I'm retired but use to work in the oil patch, North Alberta, Canada . The coldest day I remember working was -56° C. We would work in 5 minute shifts, One shift every half hour .
In the case of Everest the problem is not only the cold,its mostly the thin air and altitude.
@@miguelpereira1262 exactly
I've always been fascinated by the stories of what happens with the Everest climbers. I never understood the obsession with climbing Everest. It's still fascinates me tho. Just crazy what people will put themselves thru
They get to be in a very exclusive club and also get to be the topic of conversation for the rest of their lives I suppose.
Actually it's a great goal, working your way up from small mountains to bigger ones just to see if you can do it is amazing.
I can kind of empathize with their determination to summit Everest. My bucket list is to do the entire Appalachian trail in one go. You want to push your body, extend your limits, find new ways to do things, and add your name to the few who have done it. It’s human nature to want to accomplish something near impossible. However, I don’t understand the desire to accomplish something that even with 20yrs of experience is left to random chance. That’s just flipping a coin.
Though I heavily agree. I’m obsessed with learning about these stories and everything I can about the mountain, but I never intend to climb it either. It’s crazy / really interesting to see things from their perspective.
Greta Thunberg is 100 times the person these people are.
Well put. Ya, the luck bit gets almost zero attention. Good weather? Everyone’s accomplished the impossible! Bad weather? The opposite.
This Kathy o'dowd character, blinking her eyelashes, thinking she's something! Is a cold hearted ! BIA!
Frankly they were right to leave Beck and Yasuko. He got incredibly lucky. Like one in a million. And him acting like people just abandoned him is annoying. It's not cruelty. It's a very commonly known thing that no one can help you. And it's not because people don't want to. You can barely power your own body under the best of conditions, let alone do anything to rescue someone else. He didn't exactly drag Yasuko back to camp, did he?
When he asked the guy for something to drink and the guy walked away I call you and this excuse bs
Just more proof that he shouldn't have been on the mountain.
@knocturna9731 Plus he lied on his application, saying he hadn't had eye surgery.
@@leapinglaura7343 what application
@RONJAE212003 what are you talking about?
My Saturday morning Everest fix! Thank you!
Well, it's official. This my favourite TH-cam channel. I eagerly await every new video, especially the ones, like this one, I had never seen before. Thanks David Snow!
I have watched dozens of documentaries about Everest and i think this will be my last. While this was even-handed, the selfishness, egotism and blind ambition of many climbers I find reprehensible. The voices of Beck Weathers and others are truly appreciated among the din. I find most disturbing that a someone with a child would attempt this, let alone putting that decision on the child himself. I wonder how long it was after Fran said, "Don't leave me," that she was indeed left to die alone? I wasn't there and am thus unable to judge, but it's disturbing. Rob Hall is, to me, the very essence of an honorable man and there are all too few of them in this "community."
Rob hall stellar as was Scott Fischer. Don t judge the others, you haven't been there.
It's tacit In death zone " if you can t walk, you die" each person trying to survive. The answer: don t let novices go!!!!!! Duh!??
Beck didn’t tell his guide he’d had eye surgery recently!
@bullcrap9409 He had eye surgery more than a year previously. That isn't really recent.
Thank you for posting these great documentaries. They’re fascinating.
Agree
so true "going to top is a optional but coming down is compulsory"...
Years ago, I had some big mountains on my 'tick list'. I was a rock climber and comfortably leading E2 / E3 on Grit, and E1 or so on bigger mountain routes, bouldering 6b on a good day. My Winter climbing experience was only scrambles. I did an 'introduction to Alpine Climbing' course to see what I was potentially getting myself into, and saw / felt first hand the vast difference between rock climbing on crags and Alpine climbing Had my first experience of the effects of altitude on Dômes de Miage, and the crippling effect that the visual exposure had on me while on the Hörnli Ridge of the Matterhorn. I never did summit the Matterhorn. My head just wasn't able to cope with the visual aspects of the huge drop on each side. Realistically once over about 70ft, any extra fall distance doesn't make any difference, you're dead anyway, but psychologically it makes a huge difference! Combine that with the physical exhaustion, cold, and pain and you quickly realise that Alpine mountaineering is a VERY unpleasant experience even when it's going right! Simply, it wasn't for me. Big fat juicy NOPE! The difference between Alpine mountaineering and Himalayan mountaineering is as big as the difference between cragging in the UK, and mountains in the Alps. Unless you are supremely physically fit, technically a good climber, financially stable, mentally ok, AND have adequate equipment, good weather and good luck, don't even bother! Respect to the people who DO do it successfully, but not for me! I know my limits.
You sounds like an old friend of mine, he was a big rock climber. But not as sensible as you.
@@RogueCylon I'm fairly keen on remaining alive, and I've also got a strong aversion to pain! I hope your friend becomes a bit more sensible as he ages (assuming he's still alive). I wasn't always as sensible as I am now, and I've had more close calls than I care to think about!
Same. I think knowing your limits is a cornerstone of any adventure sport.
The best mountaineering narrator, I'm so happy for another video, maybe today isn't that bad after all. I get chills watching these.
Leslie Nielsen is better. Fight me bro!
I think as long as everybody that's making the trip knows that nobody can haul your ass down the mountain if you get hurt then they know the risk going in and it's not incumbent upon somebody to try to do the impossible it's just a harsh reality that some people apparently are not willing to accept that's what it looks like to me anyway
EVEREST'S HAUNTING DEATH CLUB OF THE BEREAVED (Sue Thompson)
There is an ultimate lesson in intimacy that many will not face until already in the grips of their last breath of life! Whether climbing Everest or trying to reach the many other pinnacles in life that we have set for ourselves: "Pride goes before destruction, and an haughty spirit before
a fall. Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud. He that handles a matter wisely shall find good:
and whoso trusts in the LORD, happy is he." (Pro 16:18-20) I have never been able to separate myself from a soul facing his or her self
determination in eternal damnation of soul! To me, it's like walking off or sitting, with hands folded, and watching someone commit suicide! Just writing off another poor soul who has made a bad choice for themselves is not an option! The certainty of a deathbed is not an ideal opportunity for assiting anyone in a life choice but a Believer in Messiah Yeshua has the responsibility and ordination from Father God, as an help meet! As a born again Christian, I am my brothers keeper! I could never go back and get this shot: opportunity again, neither could I ever sleep again in peace with the haunting memory of someone in my realm of influence having died, in the commission of the ultimate suicide in unbelief: that eternal death of soul; forsaking our Creator's salvation already purchased in His perfect blood sacrifice, of love! Throughout life, we all are climbing, in the deathzone, of immorality, without our Savior! "O death, where
is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The
sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to the grace of God, which gives us the victory through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ." (Isa 25:8, 1Co 15: 55-57) Love in Messiah, Richard
Its always amazing to read the comments of people who have never been 20 feet in the air let alone 20+ thousands. If you have never done it then you have no idea of the struggle to just stay alive let alone trying tp keep someone else alive.
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*It sounds like Kathy has convinced herself with all the right words. That she believes rightly or not that she did all the right things on that Mountain. When in reality she probably didn't.*
*Whatever helps her sleep at night.*
*Kathy would ask a severely intoxicated person how are they feeling. Then let them drive away because they said they're feeling good. That's the extent of her involvement to help someone or to save lives.*
She knew when she saw him he took way to long. Someone smack that grin off her face. Kathy is the definition of a selfish person.
Such a weird smile also 😮
Yeh... she's twisted it every way she can to absolve herself of any responsibility.
I thought the exact same thing about her grin...in fact, my first thought was you are a sociopath.
Its still not her fault. He was a grown man and he made his choice.
@@MrGrace Bruce was her client, it was her job to turn him back. But Kate and Ian let him continue climbing when they both knew that he ran out of time.
Yes I've seen this previously
Looking forward to stories from everest I havent seen.
Beck wethers was right on about moral integrity
I don't like the focus on the son "letting" his mother go. He didn't really have a choice, but they made it seem like he did. This was tlan adult's decision and how much of a choice was it when the child clearly says it would be wrong to tell her no. Sorry, that is extra selfish. How many times much that kid have wonder if his mom would be alive?
If you choose to go up there you are accepting the possibility of death. No one should have to put their life at risk, Sherpas included (that should go without saying). It is on each person to hold their own.
It's hard to believe that your standing as high as airliners fly.
That is true. And pretty amazing. Now, some airliners do fly more like 30-35,000 feet, which would be a bit higher than Everest. But, yeah. Incredible. Hard to survive up there. I'd never try it.
It’s great that he survived but Beck needs to quit whining. Dude risked it all, and he made it out with his life. Other people would have gotten themselves killed if they tried harder to rescue him and Yasuko. You made it out with your life. Let it go. Quit trashing people who made better decisions than you did
Thank you!
When Bruce Herrod's body was found hanging at the Hilary step a year later after numerous climbers had passed by it and done nothing, Pete Athans was the only one to think this was unacceptable and he cut the body down, one of the few climbers who has a moral compass that works
Last time I was in the strip in Las Vegas I realized that I was at the most self centered placed on earth... After watching this I think Everett takes the #1 stop now.
EVEREST'S HAUNTING DEATH CLUB OF THE BEREAVED (Sue Thompson)
There is an ultimate lesson in intimacy that many will not face until already in the grips of their last breath of life! Whether climbing Everest or trying to reach the many other pinnacles in life that we have set for ourselves: "Pride goes before destruction, and an haughty spirit before
a fall. Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud. He that handles a matter wisely shall find good:
and whoso trusts in the LORD, happy is he." (Pro 16:18-20) I have never been able to separate myself from a soul facing his or her self
determination in eternal damnation of soul! To me, it's like walking off or sitting, with hands folded, and watching someone commit suicide! Just writing off another poor soul who has made a bad choice for themselves is not an option! The certainty of a deathbed is not an ideal opportunity for assiting anyone in a life choice but a Believer in Messiah Yeshua has the responsibility and ordination from Father God, as an help meet! As a born again Christian, I am my brothers keeper! I could never go back and get this shot: opportunity again, neither could I ever sleep again in peace with the haunting memory of someone in my realm of influence having died, in the commission of the ultimate suicide in unbelief: that eternal death of soul; forsaking our Creator's salvation already purchased in His perfect blood sacrifice, of love! Throughout life, we all are climbing, in the deathzone, of immorality, without our Savior! "O death, where
is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The
sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to the grace of God, which gives us the victory through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ." (Isa 25:8, 1Co 15: 55-57) Love in Messiah, Richard
How is vegas the most self centered place? You don’t have to go there. It’s a vacation spot. No one has to air chopper you out. Hush
Everyone talks about walking past dying millionaires at the top but few give so much as a thought to walking past poverty stricken families on the way there.
The majority of the people there are living very similar lives to how all humans have lived for the last 4,000 years with a fairly large cash injection from the tourist economy. Not everywhere needs to be Western Europe or America.
Not true, the climbers who trek all the way to the base of the mountain, get to see a little bit of what life is like for the sherpa people, and I think universally they admire the sherpa people. As another poster said, not everywhere needs to be Western Europe or America in order for people to be happy.
@@Hiraeth-zq8ze That logic can be used to turn your back on virtually anyone in any situation. "Well, 4000 years agooo...."
@@Justicia007 What does admiration have to do with anything? "Wow, I really admire you and your strength..." *walks on by*
@@nb6175 can't win with you because you are desperate to make the point that whitey doesn't care about the sherpa. You said they don't give the Sherpa much thought, I disagree with that. I think there's a well-deserved recent wave of respect and attention being given to the sherpa who deserve it. It should have been like that before but it wasn't.
Thank you David Snow! I really love your content!
I think people who've never done high-altitude ice climbing or would ever dare to may criticize and judge the people involved here. I know what occurred to me at 11,000 feet -- my brain and my body were simply not working correctly or, for that matter, together. This occurred when I was 53, so age may have had some impact. To pay $80,000-100,000 for a chance to die doesn't seem to be worth the potential bragging rights.
It's surprising how different people react to altitude. Of course, conditioning makes a lot of difference. My first time on Mt. Whitney at 12000 ft was an enlightening experience. It really slowed me down, and my feet felt like lead weights. I passed a woman attended by park rangers that arrived by helicopter. She was really a mess. She could not speak and could only respond to questions with moans like a zombie. I summited (14,500 ft) 4 times without much difficulty - only slight headache, fatigue, and some nausea the 4th time at age 54. Anything above 9000 ft for the average person should be considered with caution.
I was at Machu Picchu and could barely breathe or exert myself there. I can't imagine being on Everest.
I've been at 14,000 ft. and been fine but felt like I couldn't think in a freak hail storm, freezing, at sea level.
So you climb into the death zone on Everest knowing exactly what the challenges are. For whatever reason you cannot go on or get back so how can you think someone else should risk their lives to save your butt when they could die as well. I love these videos except when they create victims when there arent. There seems to be an awesome amount of hindsight here.
For the South African team to say they didn't let them use the communication device because they were acting as a relay is such BS! They could have and should have allowed the other team to use their communications tools! Who turns away someone like that while you're on Everest? That was outrageous!
The lady seemed like a sociopath omg
Absolutely ridiculous.
Yeah I can't stand that entire team since I read the book and seeing her now I have pure disdain
Untrustworthy and ridiculous!
It's a life threatening situation for all at the best of times - there is no moral obligation to share safety equipment or endanger your life for strangers - they all knew the risks
I will never climb any tall mountains, but I am fascinated by the effect these mountains have on those who climb them. However, I have long since come to the conclusion that there is so much magnetic xcitement in seeking to summit that you should only use 1/3 of your energy and focus in getting there: you will need 2/3 of your energy and focus in getting back down to a camp below the Death Zone. The summit is truly not the halfway point.
unbelievably amazing and unimaginable + sad as well.
☆ thanks for giving me the opportunity to experience watching what would be impossible for me...
People who put their selves in these situations bring these problems on themselves. The ones with families show total irresponsibility. So sad
EVEREST'S HAUNTING DEATH CLUB OF THE BEREAVED (Sue Thompson)
There is an ultimate lesson in intimacy that many will not face until already in the grips of their last breath of life! Whether climbing Everest or trying to reach the many other pinnacles in life that we have set for ourselves: "Pride goes before destruction, and an haughty spirit before
a fall. Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud. He that handles a matter wisely shall find good:
and whoso trusts in the LORD, happy is he." (Pro 16:18-20) I have never been able to separate myself from a soul facing his or her self
determination in eternal damnation of soul! To me, it's like walking off or sitting, with hands folded, and watching someone commit suicide! Just writing off another poor soul who has made a bad choice for themselves is not an option! The certainty of a deathbed is not an ideal opportunity for assiting anyone in a life choice but a Believer in Messiah Yeshua has the responsibility and ordination from Father God, as an help meet! As a born again Christian, I am my brothers keeper! I could never go back and get this shot: opportunity again, neither could I ever sleep again in peace with the haunting memory of someone in my realm of influence having died, in the commission of the ultimate suicide in unbelief: that eternal death of soul; forsaking our Creator's salvation already purchased in His perfect blood sacrifice, of love! Throughout life, we all are climbing, in the deathzone, of immorality, without our Savior! "O death, where
is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The
sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to the grace of God, which gives us the victory through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ." (Isa 25:8, 1Co 15: 55-57) Love in Messiah, Richard
My first husbands aunt, his mothers sister, was Hannelore Schmatz 4th woman to summit. First woman and first German to die on upper slopes. Gerhard Schmatz, her husband, expedition tried to recover her but was unsuccessful. Eventually winds blew Hannelore over the edge down Kangshung Face where she remains still today.
Wow!! Thanks for sharing!
Damn!
Holding someone's hand as they leave this earth is the most sacred thing a person can do.
Moral of this story-If you're on Everest, need help and see this particular group of South Africans,you're up CaCa Creek without a paddle.I've never seen a group of such self-righteous people who refuse to admit their mistakes or take responsibility for their bad decisions in my whole life.
Reread what you wrote and then look in the mirror. 👋
I would never never ever go anywhere with the South African team .. they are terrible people
Another amazing upload David thank you for all the amazing content you provide us with.
26:05 That's exactly the thought I had at this point. Everyone acts as if the only reason to attempt a rescue is when they can do something about it. But Beck Weathers experienced what its like to be left for dead and therefore says these wise words here.
Exactly. One of the other climbers said a similar thing. The situation with David Sharp, in 2006, this NZ team had passed him, but did not help him. There was not much they could do, however, one of the climbers on that team had said he wished he had stayed a bit with David, touched him, showed him he was not alone, showed him some humanity. He says he regrets not doing that. The same way Francys Arsentiev, asked Cathy, “to not leave her alone.”
The mountain does show your true character.
@@rada9748 i think ive seen that video, the guy is struggling with words, almost about to cry if i remember ,it always hit hard tovsee that. the emotions there, life and death.
@@PianoScoreVids Wayne "Cowboy" Alexander. It was in the "Dying for Everest" documentary about David Sharp.
Beck was an extraordinary man, who wouldn't give up. One in a million.
Fantastic Documentary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After watching « Finding Michael’ I am hypnotized by Everest! This film is right on.....i cannot stop watching these videos...Everest is alive and it pulls you towards it even if you are not a mountain climber. May the ones who died be at peace.✌️🇨🇦❤️🌈🌎🏄♀️🌺🛹🧘♂️
He said it best, " not everyone that can get on the mountain, should be on the mountain." Too bad he doesn't realize he would definitely be included in that group that should've never went up that mountain.
True heros who wanted to help. The south africn woman who was interviewed said all with a smug smile on her face. You had 3 times you could have helped and chose not to and make an excuse everytime. No morales at all
She is a disgrace !
As sad as it is, everyone knew the risks. No one is obligated to save anyone.
Ya, she’s a piece of work. “We waited at base camp all night. But then we slept because we were tired”
Amazing video
I find this to be an incredibly interesting and complex topic that is rarely addressed in such depth. There are certainly many angles to be considered when contemplating the moral dilemmas faced by climbers.
If everyone accepts a suspension of humanity as the price of the attempt, then no one should be able to complain about being abandoned or becoming a macabre sign-post stuck to the side of the mountain. If you accept the rules then perhaps you can keep your soul intact.
Nevertheless, clearly many people think they can accept it but really struggle with the things they have to do or see. One thing is certain - those that leave others behind seem to have an endless capacity to justify their actions and probably have to do so to themselves daily.
For myself, I could not see that pursuing an interest that requires such moral ambivalence as the price of admission could ever be desirable. But then I will never stand on the roof of the world. Is five minutes of glory worth it though? Fascinating psychological conundrum.
Exactly. You put it into words like I could not. If you have to sacrifice your humanity to do it, then it is no longer something a human should be doing.
If the first rule is save yourself leave the weak behind, we'll that's not a sport I want any part of.
It's called the death zone for a reason after all.
It is completely fascinating and I think I've literally watched every documentary I can about it now. 😳
It’s the opposite of ‘complex’.
Arrg that South African lady Kathy just hurts my heart. She can rationalize anything she did in all those situations as the right thing and I’m not convinced she made any of the right decisions. I suppose she’s able to sleep at night without all those decisions racing through her head.
She made it out alive, right decision was made
Proud and entitled-she's shambolic!
She is a coward
Some people are incapable of admitting wrongdoing and will find a way to exonerate themselves for whatever they have done or are doing. It amazes me how they can lie to themselves so completely, but they do
I can appreciate that these people have a passion for doing what they’re doing but I will never understand how they can risk not only their own lives but the lives that are going to be drastically impacted back at home…your spouse, your children, and anyone else in your close family circle. I just couldn’t do it.
Great documentary!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Everyone always says that humans aren’t meant to live above 8k, but I’d argue humans aren’t meant to live above 5k. Even living at 10k feet in Leadville, CO is rough for the first few months.
@@Think-dont-believe I only visited. Was there for a couple weeks at the hostel doing some 14ers and such.
Can I ask where Leadville is in the world? I clearly live under a rock in Australia
@@jesmondsaunders7746 Central Colorado. Surrounded on all sides by 14ers. Town itself sits at 10k feet.
@@ericclaptonsrobotpilot7276 Sounds like a great way to get the mountain experience without the hassle. If I ever get any crazy ideas about hanging out in a death zone, I’ll visit first. Thanks!
@@jesmondsaunders7746 hydrate. It’s so arid in the Colorado highlands; I’d drink 4-6 liters of water a day when doing long hikes and still feel dehydrated sometimes.
You really start to feel it somewhere between 12-13k. It’s just high enough to be uncomfortable but not dangerous. I was surprised at how well I handled it on long climbs. I wanna do the 18k foot Mexican volcanoes next.
ok. it's settled. i'm not going up there.
Only very experienced ice climbers should be allowed up there, not utter novices. Yasuko Namba (1996) had NEVER USED CRAMPONS before she went up, and her guide had to teach her the basics right before they went through the Cumbu ice climb. It's just madness.
And me, Kevin. Attempting to climb Everest is on my list of things not to do before I die.
@@josi4251 I thought she had done the 7 Summits? I think it was the one of the Taiwanese climbers that didn't know how to put them on......I think
@@MsMichigan In his book "Into Thin Air," Jon Krakauer relates witnessing the guide instructing her with them. They weren't in the Death Zone in this point, so I doubt he was confused.
@@josi4251 it does say on page 81 footnote "although Yasko had used crampons previously during hey climbs of Aconcagua, McKinley, Elbrus, and Vinson, None of these ascents involved much, if any, true ice climbing; the terrain in each case consisted primarily of relatively gentle slopes of snow and were gravel like scree." She did, but not well at all, she even had to learn "basic ice-climbing techniques" because she wasn't good at any of it.
I thought I read that the Taiwanese didn't know how to either. I'm looking into my book "ultimate high" to see if it's mentioned it there. Stand by. 🙌😉
God bless Rob Hall who willingly gave up his life to stay with his client. An absolute moral diamond in the rough!
Love Beck and what he said is so true~ even if they can’t be saved, try and if not stay with them as long as it’s safe and if possible be with them in their last moments. What beautiful thing. Great job Beck!
He also turned his wife into a widow and left his daughter without a father
Huh? Beck lied and hid the fact he’d recently had eye surgery.
Idk how you find these but good work! It's definitely worth it all.
I can’t believe people risk their lives to climb Mount Everest I just don’t understand why is it so important to leave your family knowing that you might not come back. I bet some of them regret it when they are about to die knowing they probably made a mistake. I will never understand why they risk their lives.
Like Lemans drivers
I just can't fathom why
anybody would wanna
do that in the first place
I didnt catch the name Anatoli Boukreev, the Russian hero who saved a few trapped climbers on that 1996 Everest disaster.
How can you not mention his heroics?
Because had he made some different decisions earlier in the day his heroics may not have been needed. Regardless he was an amazing climber and saved lives that day.
@@Neongrave1234 All of Anatoli's clients survived.
The POS Krakauer tried to put all the blame on him ... Anatoli had balls of steel
@@jonnytheboy7338 Agree. In fact it was Krakauer that stayed in his tend and wouldnt assist him when Anatoli asked for his help to save the stranded climbers.
Anatoli was a super hero that night. Didnt climb with the aid of Oxygen because he said the extra weight was prohibitive and added risk,
He was like a super human to do the things he did!
Only for the brave at heart. Great video
Thank you Mr Snow.
When you are in death zone, you are responsible for yourself. No one is responsible for you. You can't get down because of xyz, then perhaps don't go up in the first place. You know what you are getting yourself into when you sign up. Don't shame/guilt others for not helping. You made the bed, now lie in it. Don't put others in danger because you made the wrong decision.
The video of that Airbus helicopter reaching the top of Everest. Amazing pilot and amazing technology.
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The South African lady in this documentary is scary cold 👀
Most women are exactly like her because life means nothing to them...they create life😢.
That South African woman is horrible…
She's a cow, at least try to do something
i think the whole south african team was
She showed so much lack of empathy 😪
She is a classic narcissist.
In my experience, your sleeping bag becomes a coffin
Did you die up there or are you still alive?
@@Versatilad fortunately it turned out to be a sleeping bag and only felt like a coffin lol
In my experience my sleeping bag makes sleep possible
👤 Good God lad...!!
...whathappintaya.?
Beck is such an amazing man & story teller. Thanks for your videos!
Did you watch his talk here on David Snow's channel? It was sooooo good
Makes you think how many other climbers were believed to be “beyond hope” and left on the mountain?
Beck was Totally Blessed Ok not his Time Lucky Guy
@@Missconduct044Yasuko Namba 😣😣
@@Missconduct044 Many of them and they didn't make it, so maybe there were beyond hope. Becks story is unique.
The Sherpa's there made some impossible saves, mind blowing, heroic. We western don't have the heart for that.
😂😂😂. Top of the arrogance statements!
@@TC-dw6wg no its just stats
The 'dark side' of Everest is that it treats everybody equally.😊🇦🇺
In 1995 I had a similar experience ,although on a different mountain ,not even an inch as dangerous as Everest. But,when I could not carry on,I had a shocking realization: That even on a relatively mediocre mountain,I saw how people,including your own husband,would leave you behind in search of glory? A little fame? Some step above other people? I will never know. All I understood then was that there seems to be a certain cold,calculated inner core in some people that will make them step over those they proclaim to love in search of some higher recognition,God knows how they define that. That is if they can even define it at all,which I believe they can not. I studied the 1996 disaster on Everest extensively,maybe in search of an answer which I could not find. Many things can be said,including the fact that there is a belief amongst the Sherpas that Everest is not meant to be climbed and that the goddess of earth allows few the glory and keeps her own cold, proud stance above the rest of the world and will defeat mere mortals time and time again. As a South African I do know one thing though. The South African team disappointed me deeply and when I had a full picture of that fateful May of 96,I was dismayed at first and later on ...ashamed. Go read the full account of that failed mission . You might disagree and even justify what happened. But that can not change the facts. I am sorry that I even listened to this documentary. Sorry,sad and filled with
....let's call it again,for lack of a better respectful description ,ashamed.
The South African team were disappointing. I think even in South Africa there was much criticism of them. No one should ever lose their humanity, no matter the conditions. It’s true, the mountain does show you your true character.
I’m sorry that you experienced that. I hope you no longer have that person in your life.
Cathy O’Dowd was still making excuses as to why she didn’t do more.
In Bhutan they don’t allow climbing because they believe it disrespects the mountain. They say they learned from Nepal’s mistakes. Bhutan allows tourism, including trekking, but not climbing.
There’s a bad vibe coming from the visitors on the mountain and it’s fair to say it’s off my bucket list 👍
I can’t even breathe properly in my room sometimes at night due to sleep apnea never mind 8800 meters with 1/3 of oxygen
I think it’s really interesting how much justifying and deflecting and projecting the South African woman who was with Bruce’s team does. Especially given that she was one of the folks that walked past the dying woman. Super interesting.
Another egotistical person that didn’t care about anything other than getting to the top of Everest
She's just pragmatic - it is what it is - her facial expressions are a little weird though.
@@maryjanedodogo read the book into thin air, the s African team were full of sht
I find her to be interesting too, and came to the comments to see if anyone else had the same thought. Her smiles, when talking about such heavy stuff are unsettling.
With a smug smile.
Nobody should ever criticize climbers for leaving others behind at that kind of altitude. You can’t ask people to increase the chance they will die by many times fold by trying to help somebody who wasn’t able to accomplish the climb. Everybody understands when they go to that altitude that they’re subject to the will of the mountain and to criticize climbers for not taking on an entirely new risk of getting someone down is completely lacking any knowledge of the environment and the situation itself.
👏👏👏
I would not criticise climbers who, dealing with exhaustion and dangerous weather, decide that saving their own lives is their top priority. However, I find it difficult to understand the mindset of climbers who, on their way up a mountain, put their own bid for the summit ahead of trying to help others down to safety.
@@philipr1567 That is the same issue I have. Going down and being unable to help is one thing but going up and ignoring a dying person just so you can get to the top I will never understand.
@@philipr1567 well either way whether you meet a person on your ascent or decent that’s a huge wrist to your own life because they were incapable of making the climb up or down. People act like you’re just gonna throw your buddy over your shoulder and walk down off the mountain with him but it’s not that easy by any means. If you go out that high and you find yourself failing you better turn your ass around because nobody else should be expected to get you out of trouble.
You are put at places and in situations for a reason. If you ignore that reason and act selfishly, you will regret it for the remainder of you life.
I watched this presentation three times in a row on TH-cam without supplemental oxygen. I felt fine.
I volunteer you to go on Everest expedition! You have what it takes!!! 😳
I am both fascinated and perplexed by those who climb these really high mountains. I think they look at the statistics and say ....well others may die but it won't happen to me.
Like cave spelunking!
I can’t help thinking visiting the mountain, without actually climbing into death zones and the like, is rewarding in itself.
That damn Doctor and some of these other people are really pissing me off
Let's start with this, I am a Disabled Veteran, and NEVER left a man or woman behind.
It cost me dearly to do that
That said, this is EVEREST we are talking about
It is a DEADLY climb
I KNOW what it takes to rescue people, as I have done it.
I have lost patients as well
When you go to Everest, you go, KNOWING you may not make it back.
What does it take to do rescues up there? Super human strength. And the people that have done those rescues are all dead, or Sherpas!!
I would LOVE a chat with this damn doc
Not leaving our brothers on the battlefield is nothing like having to save someone else from the death zone. When I hear Beck, he’s a guy who should have turned back but he kept pushing until he went blind. His actions put everyone else in danger. We take action to insure we and our brothers make it home, these people put themselves in position to risk others lives. No one could carry Beck or the Asian woman down, it was impossible, period. Beck got himself to camp 4 then others saved his damn life the rest of the way,
Risking their own to do it. And here he is criticizing others when he should be grateful. I lose respect for him every time I hear him talk.
Like Sergei, Fran's boyfriend. He was known as the Snow Leopard, he was such a strong climber. They got separated because she was moving slower than him. When he realized she hadn't come back to camp he went up to rescue her--and he died trying. And he's the Snow Leopard. If he couldn't do it, who could? What do they think little inexperienced Cathy O'Dowd is supposed to do?
Also, thank you for your service and sacrifice.
I'd love to see K2 and Everest but that's where the fascination ends ! These stories are horrific!
Rob and Doug were literally right below the summit in the midst of a raging storm and Doug died anyway. Unfortunately so did Rob. Perhaps Rob could have survived but he stayed with Doug. People can disagree but I think it’s worse to lose two lives instead of one.
I don’t think anyone is in a position to pass judgement unless they have put their own life at risk in the same situation, under the same conditions. It’s easy to pontificate and bs about how you would help but those are just empty words.
Sitting in an armchair, its easy to be judgemental. Being there is something very different as this documentary shows brilliantly.
Do not carry any guilt. You're not abandoning anyone. You're sampling death together and their sample became long term. It's how it works sometimes.
Neck put his whole climbing team at risk knowing about his eye surgery. And then to stand there and blubber on about how he was left behind. We wasn’t left behind he was short roped down the hill and in a group of other lost climbers until he could not move on his own.
Bingo.
Doug Hanson tried to turn around and Rob talked him out of it, somewhere beloe the South Summit. Multiple people saw this. From that point onward Rob could not abandon Doug under any circumstances.
Ohhh I missed this part..That would make sense why he stayed with him.
@@calij586 If Rob would have let Doug descend it's possible that no one would've died. Andy could've gotten Yasuko off the mountain and Rob could've turned Scott around and gotten him off the mountain.
@@jacqemmet1764Yep, Rob got so many people killed that day.
I definitely think the two people of the same group should have made sure their friend if they even though about caring about him ,he needs to come down and it is up to you to help make that happen it's no different than letting someone drive drunk you just don't because they are very similar impaired so friends don't let friends make such a bad choice!
These people who die on these peaks is simply because their ambition has taken over their intelligence.
And when this happens (in all circumstances) this type of people lose all idea of the value of life and are therefore dangerous for their fellow human beings.
Well Said