This is just the tip of the iceberg too on all of the crap that they do. Unethical firings, dishonest but required employee engagement surveys, lying to their employees, and so on.
Any time I see address, social security number, or phone number before I even speak with them - red flag. Also, checking out if they're a reputable company. Always check the website. Thank you for this video. Too many people are getting screwed in this job market.
I was laid off 7 times in my career. This warning is real. I assumed that the HR Depts were keeping themselves busy collecting information on our prior salaries and other info on the applicant pool for future use. Looking for a job in a down economy felt like being a cancer patient who was willing to try anything to survive. Exercise, do volunteer activities, socialize etc to avoid depression taking over.
@@RWROW muscles don't pay bills. Feeding the homeless doesn't feed me. And it's only a matter of time before your friends start thinking you're a leech and cut you out.
@@PenguinmanereikelRight, no need to volunteer when the life is already difficult. I would rather spend that time to make my life easier not someone else's life.
Thanks for this comment bro. God bless you. I am going down to depression with this endless job search. I applied for more than 300 application, and they are mostly lying
There are the fake job postings where it is a vehicle for identity theft. I can verify that. I'm always getting e-mails from these entities. I'm sure they have other ways to do this. A corporate recruiter using a gmail account? Yeah, that is suspicious. The overly flattering contact messages are a big red flag. If only one person in 100,000 takes the bait, I'm sure they view it as a success. Thank you for this!
@@MissTShompagnea lot of people are now/starting to figure out that there are more & more fake job/hiring events & don't bother going in person anymore
Great video Bryan! I've been trying to help a former co-worker get back into the tech world and I've told her that any job opening she gets, send me the link as well and I'll help vet it. She's sent me maybe 50 jobs so far. 49 were fake. The one that wasn't? Was a position open where I currently work, and while I talked her up to the boss, they went with a more experienced person. Unfortunate. But that's the world we live in.
In general, I keep hearing stories of employers disrespecting employees and job seekers. Even though it is employers' market now, in 6 months it could be a completely different situation and the best candidates for a job postings could do research and find out how an employer treated people in the past and then decide to go elsewhere.
@@dancarlin5434 i want to do this, but 2 months unemployed and living off my savings and compensatory salaries received from my previous employer (company closed HQ definitely), How do I start a business with 2000$ savings? (Where I live, it's enough for 3-4 months)
The issue with collecting resumes to have a pool of potential candidates is that those candidates aren’t just sitting there in a drawer waiting for the business to get back to them. If you don’t hire them they will look for work elsewhere, and if you suddenly reach out a year later they’ll either be hired somewhere else, or they won’t want to work for you anymore due to damaged trust. I don’t know why companies think this is a good idea.
I just heard about this. This is an awful practice and no one is going to trust employers anymore. The person that told me about this said employers do this so that the current employees either: get afraid their job is at risk or the employer uses this fake job to track which internal candidates are looking for other positions out of job dissatisfaction.
I got a call from an offshore recruiter for a job that was kind of inside my wheelhouse but not my specialty. So I took the call, I couldn't understand a word the recruiter was saying. So I asked him to email me the details. He offered me $100k, but I said my minimum a $150k. He immediately said his boss authorized it. That's when I knew something was up. I looked the guy up, and his LI profile said he was a real estate developer in Pakistan. I live in the U.S., and have no real estate background. And the job he showed me was not in real estate, either. That was my first experience with an offshore resume mill.
This has been one of your best videos! I have experienced many of these things in the past year. I won't respond to any offshore recruiters or an recruiter who posts their Tinder or Bumble photo on linkedin. Also, i see many employers in tech post the same job over and over and over.
The problem is not only fake job posting. The problem is that there is no other job postings other than fake job. There is just no real job right now in US/Canada. Nobody is hiring.
This does not solve the problem. The reality is that not everyone can do a trade - and if everyone tries, eventually that industry will also be oversaturated. You also can’t just join a trade - that requires money and skills that a lot of people do not have. Like me - I will NEVER be good at trades, I will never be able to do that job well. Please stop telling people to just join a trade like it’s some magical fix-all. It’s not.
@@niftydomSpanish/ English translation: educational translation. Find me a position and I will take it today. Any salary. Remote. Yes. Im highly qualified with work experience. Great references.
OMG, videos like this just make me want to retire rather than job hunt. What a ridiculous world full of BS and scams. You can't believe the jobs are real, companies are real, etc. Even a call to you might just be a robot scraping your voice to be recorded.
I've never seen that pipeline message before. Their should be a law that the company should disclose it's a pipeline job aka ghost job. I get reached out by off-shore recruiters all the time, so that's a no go.
We can't even enforce contract law. This nonsense about being forced to use arbitration because some one might have used a service the company offered fifteen years ago is being allowed. The government does nothing so they will ignore this stuff too.
Another thing is to watch out for is if you're being used as _FREE CONSULTING ADVICE_ . When you're sitting in front of the hiring manager and all they want to do is pick your brain for answers to their internal issues without getting to know anything about your background.
This is why I also refuse to do "draft and present a hypothetical strategy for us" sample projects for job interview anymore. You'd be surprised how many of these are managers snapping up free work which they'll just take and implement on their own.
@@seancatacombs - it is called spec work in design and project consulting. I got caught with that by a community festival chaired by a local dignitary- took my entire plan. I got paid for a few hours for developing it, but it was worth much more. Always refuse spec work. (Brian - this would be a good video - how to say no to spec work without losing the opportunity, assuming one exists or that you’d want to work with a company that demands it (though some HR genius might have taken a course saying that it is suitable to do, vs being a manager’s decision…))
I am a mental health therapist. They 100% do this. If you are stupid you get hired. Smart they steal your info and slander you down the road. One major reason you find incompetent people in these places, it doesn’t pay to be smart.
Large companies appear to be recycling job postings on Workday also. Req will show it's only been open "Today", but yet was the same job posted 1-2 months prior and defaults to the previous submission date, not allowing a new application to proceed. Workday could prevent restrict recycling the same req number, but sadly they don't.
Thank you this is useful information did not know that this was a thing. That is very despicable of companies to do that because there's people in genuine need of a job and to divert their attention which could be spent in a legitimate job, pursuit is just beyond the pale.
The collect resumes for a future pool? Why??? In 6 months or later, if they hire at this point, most people will most likely have another job. (I wouldn't respond to them anyway, after being ghosted!) This doesn't make sense... 🤔
My ride-along for some Amazon DSP facility was scheduled for today, since I completed training yesterday. I arrived on time, and texted the number of the dispatch phone for someone to come meet me at the entrance. I sat there for 45 minutes (which to be fair was mostly out of shame from being jobless) and then left when I determined I was ghosted. Don't fall for it when they interview you, train you, and schedule you.
We need to regulate these practices out of existence. SHRM has lobbied on behalf of their employers, not their members. HR "professionals" will have to navigate the nightmare they created once laid off.
“Nobody wants to work.” “You’re not trying hard enough.” Meanwhile companies (and scammers) are complicating an already tedious process for job seekers.
We need to start a movement: We really need to start reporting these fake jobs. Like seriously. Report it across all the job boards, so it can be taken down. There is an option on the job board websites when you view the job, like zip recruiter.
Thank you for putting out all these helpful videos. If I ever need to look up something related to job searches or employment in general, Bryan is always my go to!! I usually find the advice I'm seeking from Bryan's videos about 90% of the time and all others 10%.
2:05 Or, even better, we make it illegal for companies to post a job they have no intention of hiring for soon. You are only allowed to post a job posting if your company is actively looking to fill a position. The job market would be better if companies were punished for every bad thing they did.
I'm a software engineer, and I built a job search engine designed to address pain points just like this one. Currently, I don't have a UI (working on it), so I'm running searches for people manually, but the database I've built so far is strong. No third-party companies or recruiters. Everything comes directly from company sites. I hope to give users as much flexibility as possible for their search criteria, and provide plenty of good, reliable job options.
Most jobs for a remote assistant (especially any job at an antique company) are scams to steal your identity. Or sometimes they're scams to get naive people to buy gift cards.
As an unemployed programmer I could build a site where people could go and post about fake job posting, so we can do a quick search and know if it is fake.
If you can, please create a browser plugin that looks for company names, keywords, and other variables that indicate a job is fake. The plugin could alert users the job is fake, saving valuable time and effort. Also, you could set up a Patreon or Ko-Fi for donations to your projects. Because you deserve to get paid for your work.
I've always been wary of "offshore" (foreign) recruiters. Just makes no sense that they would try to place me with a company that's 100 km away in my own country, while being 1000 km away from me and not even speaking our language. Even if they speak the language, their name gives it away.
My department has posted a job position twice that my boyfriend was perfect for. He always applied, never heard back. I know for a fact that no interviews took place but it is a real job because I do the exact same thing. They have not done any interviews in over a year, I wonder why they even bother to post job listings if they don't fill them (and he did not get a rejection either!)
@@LathropLdSTyeah I think the fact that they’ve often already paid $$$$ for x many job postings for the year + don’t want to give signals they aren’t hiring(implies things aren’t going great) drives a lot of this. May as well collect resumes for when things pick up.
I truly believe this kind of activity was going on back during the 2008 recession. I would see job postings and apply to them only to not hear anything. I would see the same job posting posted again and think, they didn't find the right candidate for the position and apply again. However, after listening to your video, it is making sense what I experience. I would also research companies and some times it was hard to find any information about them which let me know that they weren't real. With these job scams it is making it harder for people to find actually jobs. Question: Do you think the government will eventually get involve if enough people call attention to these job scams.
Given the trend of people retiring early or leaving the workforce completely. Eventually the statistics can’t be covered uped or ignored. Its honestly possible in the coming years
I’m a DBA. I’ve had 10 different contract roles over the past 11 years. I’ve never gotten a role from an offshore recruiter; every single job I’ve ever gotten has been from a US-based recruiter.
I’ve had experiences where offshore recruiters brought me into interviews, only for the corporate interviewer to ask if I knew anything about their company or website, and why I wanted to work there specifically. The problem was, right up until the last minute, the offshore recruiters never bothered to send me the company name. I still remember the interviewer’s face-stunned as they realized I had walked into the interview completely blind, and clearly annoyed that I couldn’t answer the question about my passion for their company. My response was simply, "Sorry, I have no idea who you are. I just know you need X. The third party wanted to keep you a mystery. By the way, is anyone going to address the recruiters who set up fake company websites or clone legitimate ones, only to ask loaded suspicious questions aimed at committing identity theft or other crimes?
I've been the position where my manager wanted to hire so we had a job posting and interviewed candidates.... but he never actually got approval from his boss to hire. So we wasted our time and the candidates time for a job position that didn't actually exist. I felt so bad for the candidates and my opinion of my own company tanked. Fake job postings hurt more than candidates, it is terrible for moral.
I've seen recruiting firms (like Cadre, etc) do this too...they post some generic job that sounds great but when you call them up, they say that job is not currently available but they have some other (crappier) jobs they can offer and to come on in and sign up for their firm. I've found the more generic yet great the job sounds, the more its just a carrot to snag more recruitments.
A common one is a "package handler" job that promises to pay up to $4,000 which is really you being a mule to receive and ship stolen or counterfeit goods.
I would add: any time you see a job posting on LinkedIn and there’s no contact info for the job poster, it’s most likely fake. ESPECIALLY if it’s posted by a third party recruiter and the description is vague/doesn’t show the name of the actual company you’re applying to. If the job posting is fake, they’re not going to want to be bothered by a bunch of people following up on it.
Cirtain hotel here in the uk, i keep seeing more and more positions for online, got as far as a "trial shift" and was told to "go home we'll call you" never did, i went back same issue and the woman doing the training was there this time and same from her. "We'll call you" and again never did. Like i said the same position is still up weeks later along with even more positions. Screams red flag to me.
I had a sitch that felt almost worse than being fake: the post said FT, when I interviewed the hiring manager said actually it’s not FT and not PT it’s “as needs”. Classic 2024 hiring market move 😒
as those 3rd party recruiters.. frequently from overseas... not good. I generally ignore them. Cuz I've never seen a job that was real.. from them. Also they send you a job posting that only lasts 3 months, has to be in another city, is onsite, and if you actually talk to them, (trying to be nice) they then try and browbeat you into applying for the job, even though it would mean relocating to another city on a temp basis.
5:55 oh boy I've heard stories about Canonical. Mark Shuttleworth, its founder, is something special, and he's the last filter before getting hired. He's the reason why these positions *never* get filled
There really should be some kind of administrative responsibility for creating fake jobs, the real question is how to determine if the job has no intention of being filled.
I learned a decade ago to check if a company uses H1B visa holders. as the process requires companies to 'try" to find qualified Americans. As they are trying to hire these cheap workers as replacements, they will never hire an American but have to give interviews. It's a waste of time to apply. It's often my first question, is this a real position or are you just fulfilling the perm process requirements?
If the same company posts the same job over and over again, it may also be a case of a manager who doesn't know how to do their job and people keep on quitting. E.g. A team has 10 people on it. One person quits due to this manager, they hire their replacement, and another person quits. So they need to advertise again. And it continues until the company wises up and they get rid of the manger. I saw that happen in help desk jobs.
On top of fake jobs, resume catfishers collect our workers info, wanting us to verify our info, even if they don't bait and switch on us, take our info to either sell it into some algorithm or AI model or literal scammers. So much for going into academics and debt and training, updated resumes just to get unappreciated, spit on and insulted at the end of that horrible struggle...
Fun fact. Back in April I was asked to do an interview with a Federal Government position as a project manager. "Can you interview today?" "sure I'm free at that time." 1 hour after the 30 minute interview: "Hey you got the job!" Me to myself: that was TOO fast and TOO easy. I ran soooo fast citing the pay wasn't in line with what I wanted then I ghosted them. it felt WAYYY "too good to be true".
Federal, in my experience, especially within the past year, moves Extremely rapidly. This is not historically true. But given my experience, you undoubtedly did turn down a legitimate job. Federal moves lightening fast when it wants to. I interviewed in a week after applying... and was hired the day of the interview... now I wasn't allowed to start for another four months while they did their background checks and such. But they are very fast with the interview and selecting process IF you are their candidate. If you are not, you won't hear shit from them until 3 months when their preferred candidate signs on the doted line. Same thing just happened this past month. Emailed me, interviewed me, checked my references an hour following my interview and called me back to say "we're selecting you, prepare ". Federal government moves lightening fast when they want to.
I lived through this with a recruiter, who worked for a large FQHC in the Midwest. After being ghosted by the company, after an interview, the same recruiter called with a different opportunity. I spoke with her and interviewed with the director. After that I was told I would have to interview with the clinical team. I told them no thank you because this does not feel right.
Do a video on how to spot fake job ads that are just there to justify outsourcing. A typical sign is that they make some esoteric requirement like technologies nobody uses any more, or a handful of people is familiar with, like borland turbo pascal or whatever thing nobody uses.
I have an MBA and 15 years experience. I’m employed and have been attempting to make a lateral move for the past 2 years and have only have 1 phone interview past an HR screener.
Even if it's not a fake job ad, I think fewer people are falling for, let alone applying to jobs advertised as $12/hour, PT, no benefits, must work weekends.
Facts I also noticed most jobs will also say other assigned duties it's like come on your barely paying me but than we gotta do more work and I Aldo noticed jobs like Amazon Fed Ex and UPS are always hiring but they expect you to do whatever they tell you even if it's 14 hour shifts which us ridiculous only jobs like that are hiring even nursing homes/Healthcare places and bus companies need people as well this is also my 2nd bus company I got hired with I'm only there to drive a van the 1st one wanted me to drive a bus I went with it but they wanted me to do all these goofy tests and barely got training so I'm at the point wrre I'll drive the van and that's it since I already got a buisness already just using this jib to stack up that's it
Had an experience with Apple, fake interview: they never wanted to fill in the position and wasted my time. Blacklisted them as employer AND never going to buy their products again.
@@ALifeAfterLayoff That would cut down on a lot of the problems. However my daughter just got a message from someone that had a one page domain landing page. The scammers made a page to look legit.
Nothing like a security company posting jobs and after you fill out an online application, follow all the AI generated texts, answers several questions on a 'video interview', get an interview date/time, report to the office in downtown Los Angeles and discover that it's little more than a cattle call. Worse was waiting an hour (should've left after a half hour) before being called in, then placed in a interview room for another twenty minute wait only to have a five minute conversation with a manager stating that the position as been filled. He didn't even thank me for coming in or offer me a handshake (to be fair, neither did I, due to the inexcusable wait time with no explanation). The only positive is that I handed a resume to a human being (that would have to actually dispose of it) and the manager did tell me that depending on the position, it might be from another office.
Ireland is a small place compared to US and therefore it's easier to spot fake jobs. Mastercard has offices here and they constantly, for 10 years advertise for the Software Engineer job in Dublin 8 post code but never hire anyone fore it. We all know why that is and why the job descriptions are very specific and use esoteric technologies. Your application is their backup
There are tons of scams going around offering remote work. I get 1-2 unsolicited texts per week. It makes sense unfortunately. Lots of demand for that working arrangement and shrinking opportunities. It's ripe for criminals to take advantage of desparate job seekers. It's a tough job market out there.
The best ones I get are the ones that randomly text me. They tell mensole really unrealistic salary range, remote, etc and then expose themselves by having age discrimination which goes against the NLRB
I would suggest that when you find a company posting pipeline recs to pay attention to that companies name and add them to your "do not apply list". In addition, look for postings where the job requirements list skills only someone holding three different BS degrees would have. In that case, they are looking to fire three people and hire 1 to do the work of 3, so that company should be added to your "do not apply" list as well. Remember that how a company treats it's prospective employees reflects how it will treat you after you are hired. When I see behavior like this, I assume the work environment at that company must be toxic and why would I waste my time applying to them even if a real position opened up at a later date. Brian advocates that you investigate a company to find out if it is a good place to work or not, and I believe how their recruiters (those who represent the company) treat prospective employees is a good indicator.
I'm not sure if this is what you consider a 'fake' job or evergreen, but to me they are nearly equivalent: 1. Posted over and over 2. Posted across many cities 3. Vague, generic or MANY different job requirements (you need Java, C#, Python, and Swift) 4. Word-salad job descriptions 5. Can't find information on the company 6. And... unfortunately, recruiter calls from certain states (NJ for some reason) or speaks broken English.
Tbh, I ALMOST applied for a job with that "it could be too good to be true" types of descriptions. It was at a car wash, and I think the main things you did would be stand and greet someone, kinda the norm, but I don't recall the full description of the job, such as if you had to work with the mechanics of the wash (such as cleaning it, checking for broken parts, etc), or if it was a case of "stand, greet, do the quick window wash thing before letting them into the machine". I wanna say you would earn a lot DAILY for this position, but I ultimately didn't go for it for some of these reasons - though man did I see those DOLLA SIGNS... Go figure, next day, it was already gone. xD Idk if it was taken down due to someone getting the job or not, but I wish I screenshotted it - it may had been a rather accessible job for me as well since it was in my area and i could've taken public transportation, but ultimately I didn't want to stand outside in the Texas heat for hours so it wasn't my type of career. xD
Regarding off-shore recruiting mills, I work in IT. When a position in my state comes open I get SPAMMED with emails and phone calls, all from the same or similar area codes: all from NJ. Sometimes there are some from Texas or even my current state. I still screen all my calls because you can't trust them at all. I have also heard from tech recruiters that say the exact same thing as Brian says. They scoop up all these resumes from the position, pitch them to the company and reach out with their hands out.
Applicants should routinely use a VOIP number or a burner cell phone for a job search. You'll never shut off the torrent of spam calls that follow, and it's not worth cluttering up your personal number.
LOL the one about them not being able to fill the job. Netflix has had a posting for a data scientist up for months that they can't fill. They're offering like $800k to the right candidate willing and qualified to make AI movies for them.
Unfortunately some state unemployment laws require you to listen to any job referral/offer. Will it be tracked? Not exactly but I’m waiting for the day some of these scumbags catches on to that fact. My biggest issue are the recruiters (both on and offshore) that demand your time. Schedule a session, don’t show up, and ask why you’re calling them unprofessional when they try to call and demand more time.
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Fake jobs plus Real bills equals frustration and distrust.
Yup
more accurately it makes *Homer something something*
…and subtract goals divided by retirement, don’t forget to carry 2.4 kids equals empty wallet and credit card debt.
Gosh, it's no wonder that people hate corporate America.
It's unethical. Plain and simple.
This is what I like with the labour movement in Sweden, at the turn of the century, but, as always it turned into a socialist mess.
Luigi Mangione did nothing wrong.
This is just the tip of the iceberg too on all of the crap that they do. Unethical firings, dishonest but required employee engagement surveys, lying to their employees, and so on.
If fake jobs are okay then fake resumes are okay as well.
Why not. If buying isn't owning, the piracy isn't stealing.
Yup, we are quickly entering a world of AI-generated job postings with AI generated resumes.
Damn!! Facts!!
Any time I see address, social security number, or phone number before I even speak with them - red flag. Also, checking out if they're a reputable company. Always check the website. Thank you for this video. Too many people are getting screwed in this job market.
I was laid off 7 times in my career. This warning is real. I assumed that the HR Depts were keeping themselves busy collecting information on our prior salaries and other info on the applicant pool for future use. Looking for a job in a down economy felt like being a cancer patient who was willing to try anything to survive. Exercise, do volunteer activities, socialize etc to avoid depression taking over.
@@RWROW muscles don't pay bills. Feeding the homeless doesn't feed me. And it's only a matter of time before your friends start thinking you're a leech and cut you out.
@@PenguinmanereikelRight, no need to volunteer when the life is already difficult. I would rather spend that time to make my life easier not someone else's life.
Thanks for this comment bro. God bless you. I am going down to depression with this endless job search. I applied for more than 300 application, and they are mostly lying
@@ozan4702 volunteering is not bad, if you volunteer in helping the in the social sense
There are the fake job postings where it is a vehicle for identity theft. I can verify that. I'm always getting e-mails from these entities. I'm sure they have other ways to do this. A corporate recruiter using a gmail account? Yeah, that is suspicious. The overly flattering contact messages are a big red flag. If only one person in 100,000 takes the bait, I'm sure they view it as a success. Thank you for this!
I just completed a job search. I experienced all these scenarios. You have to be constantly diligent. It’s tough!
How to spot a fake job: It's being advertised.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Also just like the Fake Job Fair I recently attended. I still have not heard anything since Sept 5th. 😕
@@MissTShompagnea lot of people are now/starting to figure out that there are more & more fake job/hiring events & don't bother going in person anymore
Great video Bryan! I've been trying to help a former co-worker get back into the tech world and I've told her that any job opening she gets, send me the link as well and I'll help vet it.
She's sent me maybe 50 jobs so far. 49 were fake. The one that wasn't? Was a position open where I currently work, and while I talked her up to the boss, they went with a more experienced person. Unfortunate. But that's the world we live in.
That's shocking 😮 I hope she's found a suitable role now?
In general, I keep hearing stories of employers disrespecting employees and job seekers. Even though it is employers' market now, in 6 months it could be a completely different situation and the best candidates for a job postings could do research and find out how an employer treated people in the past and then decide to go elsewhere.
Or do like myself and start a business & give these companies the 1 finger salute
I have done this
That is not new, we use glassdoor.
@@dancarlin5434 i want to do this, but 2 months unemployed and living off my savings and compensatory salaries received from my previous employer (company closed HQ definitely), How do I start a business with 2000$ savings? (Where I live, it's enough for 3-4 months)
Throw the people responsible for fake jobs in prison. This is fraud and a theft of our time.
It's also used to defraud investors, tricking them into thinking the company is growing.
Sad that are scams even in job hunting.
I came across one of those in 2012. It was a pyramid scheme that was posing as an employer that was hiring.
The issue with collecting resumes to have a pool of potential candidates is that those candidates aren’t just sitting there in a drawer waiting for the business to get back to them. If you don’t hire them they will look for work elsewhere, and if you suddenly reach out a year later they’ll either be hired somewhere else, or they won’t want to work for you anymore due to damaged trust. I don’t know why companies think this is a good idea.
I just heard about this. This is an awful practice and no one is going to trust employers anymore. The person that told me about this said employers do this so that the current employees either: get afraid their job is at risk or the employer uses this fake job to track which internal candidates are looking for other positions out of job dissatisfaction.
I got a call from an offshore recruiter for a job that was kind of inside my wheelhouse but not my specialty. So I took the call, I couldn't understand a word the recruiter was saying. So I asked him to email me the details. He offered me $100k, but I said my minimum a $150k. He immediately said his boss authorized it. That's when I knew something was up. I looked the guy up, and his LI profile said he was a real estate developer in Pakistan. I live in the U.S., and have no real estate background. And the job he showed me was not in real estate, either. That was my first experience with an offshore resume mill.
Don't ever talk to "recruiters" from sh*thole countries. That's how identify theft happens.
This has been one of your best videos! I have experienced many of these things in the past year. I won't respond to any offshore recruiters or an recruiter who posts their Tinder or Bumble photo on linkedin. Also, i see many employers in tech post the same job over and over and over.
We need a “How to spot a job whose candidate is honestly already chosen” from you in today’s market, Brian! Then again I guess so would the Feds 😅
Forbes magazine published an article years ago about the signs a job interview is fake because they’ve already decided who they’re hiring.
Forbes magazine published an article years ago about how to tell your interview is fake because they’ve already decided who they’re going to hire.
@@krogdog thanks for the tip!
@@krogdogCould anyone please supply a link to that article online, or post the year, month, and page of it?
@@jimtrela7588 'The Moment I Realized My Interview Was Fake -- Because They Already Hired Someone' March 21, 2018
The problem is not only fake job posting. The problem is that there is no other job postings other than fake job. There is just no real job right now in US/Canada. Nobody is hiring.
Yet the gov claims all is good. We are surrounded by scammers.
Pick a trade. Lots of work out there.
This does not solve the problem. The reality is that not everyone can do a trade - and if everyone tries, eventually that industry will also be oversaturated. You also can’t just join a trade - that requires money and skills that a lot of people do not have. Like me - I will NEVER be good at trades, I will never be able to do that job well.
Please stop telling people to just join a trade like it’s some magical fix-all. It’s not.
TRUMP just won the election! I hope in the months to come his win triggers a better employment situation.
@@niftydomSpanish/ English translation: educational translation.
Find me a position and I will take it today. Any salary. Remote. Yes. Im highly qualified with work experience. Great references.
OMG, videos like this just make me want to retire rather than job hunt. What a ridiculous world full of BS and scams. You can't believe the jobs are real, companies are real, etc. Even a call to you might just be a robot scraping your voice to be recorded.
But then they'll turn around and blame it on you! Nobody wants to work anymore, why? That's what they'll say LOL
I've never seen that pipeline message before. Their should be a law that the company should disclose it's a pipeline job aka ghost job.
I get reached out by off-shore recruiters all the time, so that's a no go.
We can't even enforce contract law. This nonsense about being forced to use arbitration because some one might have used a service the company offered fifteen years ago is being allowed. The government does nothing so they will ignore this stuff too.
Another thing is to watch out for is if you're being used as _FREE CONSULTING ADVICE_ . When you're sitting in front of the hiring manager and all they want to do is pick your brain for answers to their internal issues without getting to know anything about your background.
This is why I also refuse to do "draft and present a hypothetical strategy for us" sample projects for job interview anymore. You'd be surprised how many of these are managers snapping up free work which they'll just take and implement on their own.
@@seancatacombs - it is called spec work in design and project consulting. I got caught with that by a community festival chaired by a local dignitary- took my entire plan. I got paid for a few hours for developing it, but it was worth much more. Always refuse spec work. (Brian - this would be a good video - how to say no to spec work without losing the opportunity, assuming one exists or that you’d want to work with a company that demands it (though some HR genius might have taken a course saying that it is suitable to do, vs being a manager’s decision…))
The spec or demo work as part of the hiring process is a scam.
@@TheOtomo - exactly. And wolves can definitely come in sheep's clothing... that great connection may be naive or complicit.
I am a mental health therapist. They 100% do this. If you are stupid you get hired. Smart they steal your info and slander you down the road. One major reason you find incompetent people in these places, it doesn’t pay to be smart.
I've gotten to the point over the last couple of years that any recruiter email/message from India automatically gets reported as spam.
THIS.
Lol trust very few Indians. They are shady and shrewd.
I just detail with government job websites and personnel agencies known to me
Large companies appear to be recycling job postings on Workday also. Req will show it's only been open "Today", but yet was the same job posted 1-2 months prior and defaults to the previous submission date, not allowing a new application to proceed. Workday could prevent restrict recycling the same req number, but sadly they don't.
Thank you this is useful information did not know that this was a thing. That is very despicable of companies to do that because there's people in genuine need of a job and to divert their attention which could be spent in a legitimate job, pursuit is just beyond the pale.
The collect resumes for a future pool? Why??? In 6 months or later, if they hire at this point, most people will most likely have another job. (I wouldn't respond to them anyway, after being ghosted!) This doesn't make sense... 🤔
My ride-along for some Amazon DSP facility was scheduled for today, since I completed training yesterday. I arrived on time, and texted the number of the dispatch phone for someone to come meet me at the entrance.
I sat there for 45 minutes (which to be fair was mostly out of shame from being jobless) and then left when I determined I was ghosted.
Don't fall for it when they interview you, train you, and schedule you.
Sending well wishes that you find something soon that meets your needs 🍀
@@laranich thank you ✨
Ugh. That is awful! Know your worth. Fingers crossed something comes along soon.
We need to regulate these practices out of existence. SHRM has lobbied on behalf of their employers, not their members.
HR "professionals" will have to navigate the nightmare they created once laid off.
“Nobody wants to work.” “You’re not trying hard enough.”
Meanwhile companies (and scammers) are complicating an already tedious process for job seekers.
We need to start a movement: We really need to start reporting these fake jobs. Like seriously. Report it across all the job boards, so it can be taken down. There is an option on the job board websites when you view the job, like zip recruiter.
Thank you for putting out all these helpful videos. If I ever need to look up something related to job searches or employment in general, Bryan is always my go to!! I usually find the advice I'm seeking from Bryan's videos about 90% of the time and all others 10%.
2:05 Or, even better, we make it illegal for companies to post a job they have no intention of hiring for soon. You are only allowed to post a job posting if your company is actively looking to fill a position. The job market would be better if companies were punished for every bad thing they did.
I'm a software engineer, and I built a job search engine designed to address pain points just like this one. Currently, I don't have a UI (working on it), so I'm running searches for people manually, but the database I've built so far is strong. No third-party companies or recruiters. Everything comes directly from company sites. I hope to give users as much flexibility as possible for their search criteria, and provide plenty of good, reliable job options.
Most jobs for a remote assistant (especially any job at an antique company) are scams to steal your identity. Or sometimes they're scams to get naive people to buy gift cards.
As an unemployed programmer I could build a site where people could go and post about fake job posting, so we can do a quick search and know if it is fake.
Please do it. I would pay for that during a job search.
If you can, please create a browser plugin that looks for company names, keywords, and other variables that indicate a job is fake. The plugin could alert users the job is fake, saving valuable time and effort. Also, you could set up a Patreon or Ko-Fi for donations to your projects. Because you deserve to get paid for your work.
@@BrianGivensYtube Really? Could be monetized with ads tho, but wouldn't feel good charging for that.
I would use and share that site
Good idea. Canonical are a top offender
I've always been wary of "offshore" (foreign) recruiters. Just makes no sense that they would try to place me with a company that's 100 km away in my own country, while being 1000 km away from me and not even speaking our language.
Even if they speak the language, their name gives it away.
My department has posted a job position twice that my boyfriend was perfect for. He always applied, never heard back. I know for a fact that no interviews took place but it is a real job because I do the exact same thing. They have not done any interviews in over a year, I wonder why they even bother to post job listings if they don't fill them (and he did not get a rejection either!)
Does your company have a Performance Appraisal month or months? Pay attention WHEN they post that job. It's a scare tactic.
Many reasons. In particular, showing the market they are in good financial health.
@@LathropLdSTyeah I think the fact that they’ve often already paid $$$$ for x many job postings for the year + don’t want to give signals they aren’t hiring(implies things aren’t going great) drives a lot of this. May as well collect resumes for when things pick up.
I truly believe this kind of activity was going on back during the 2008 recession. I would see job postings and apply to them only to not hear anything. I would see the same job posting posted again and think, they didn't find the right candidate for the position and apply again. However, after listening to your video, it is making sense what I experience. I would also research companies and some times it was hard to find any information about them which let me know that they weren't real. With these job scams it is making it harder for people to find actually jobs.
Question: Do you think the government will eventually get involve if enough people call attention to these job scams.
Given the trend of people retiring early or leaving the workforce completely. Eventually the statistics can’t be covered uped or ignored. Its honestly possible in the coming years
I suspected it back then too.
@@emuhill Good to know I'm not alone!
How many companies use fake jobs to collect personal information to sell as an additional income stream?
Brian did a video about this, I think.
100%
I’m a DBA. I’ve had 10 different contract roles over the past 11 years. I’ve never gotten a role from an offshore recruiter; every single job I’ve ever gotten has been from a US-based recruiter.
Sadly its such a numbers game that there isn’t that much time you can put into research.
I’ve had experiences where offshore recruiters brought me into interviews, only for the corporate interviewer to ask if I knew anything about their company or website, and why I wanted to work there specifically. The problem was, right up until the last minute, the offshore recruiters never bothered to send me the company name. I still remember the interviewer’s face-stunned as they realized I had walked into the interview completely blind, and clearly annoyed that I couldn’t answer the question about my passion for their company. My response was simply, "Sorry, I have no idea who you are. I just know you need X. The third party wanted to keep you a mystery.
By the way, is anyone going to address the recruiters who set up fake company websites or clone legitimate ones, only to ask loaded suspicious questions aimed at committing identity theft or other crimes?
I've been the position where my manager wanted to hire so we had a job posting and interviewed candidates.... but he never actually got approval from his boss to hire. So we wasted our time and the candidates time for a job position that didn't actually exist. I felt so bad for the candidates and my opinion of my own company tanked. Fake job postings hurt more than candidates, it is terrible for moral.
I've seen recruiting firms (like Cadre, etc) do this too...they post some generic job that sounds great but when you call them up, they say that job is not currently available but they have some other (crappier) jobs they can offer and to come on in and sign up for their firm. I've found the more generic yet great the job sounds, the more its just a carrot to snag more recruitments.
the Federal government should do something about this crap.
A common one is a "package handler" job that promises to pay up to $4,000 which is really you being a mule to receive and ship stolen or counterfeit goods.
Another great video, Bryan!!
I would add: any time you see a job posting on LinkedIn and there’s no contact info for the job poster, it’s most likely fake. ESPECIALLY if it’s posted by a third party recruiter and the description is vague/doesn’t show the name of the actual company you’re applying to.
If the job posting is fake, they’re not going to want to be bothered by a bunch of people following up on it.
Cirtain hotel here in the uk, i keep seeing more and more positions for online, got as far as a "trial shift" and was told to "go home we'll call you" never did, i went back same issue and the woman doing the training was there this time and same from her. "We'll call you" and again never did. Like i said the same position is still up weeks later along with even more positions. Screams red flag to me.
I had a sitch that felt almost worse than being fake: the post said FT, when I interviewed the hiring manager said actually it’s not FT and not PT it’s “as needs”. Classic 2024 hiring market move 😒
0 hrs contracts are a thing in the UK, for sure.
as those 3rd party recruiters.. frequently from overseas... not good. I generally ignore them. Cuz I've never seen a job that was real.. from them. Also they send you a job posting that only lasts 3 months, has to be in another city, is onsite, and if you actually talk to them, (trying to be nice) they then try and browbeat you into applying for the job, even though it would mean relocating to another city on a temp basis.
I have seen job announcements with a salary range from $89- $120k. Thats a pretty wide range for any one job, but ranges from novice to master
IMO, that's a normal range. Where $89k is @85% compa-ratio; $104k @ 100% compa-ratio; and $120k at @120% compa-ratio.
You Summed up exactly why I never deal with third party recruiters. 😡
B. Keep up the good work sir. We need your voice to all this garbage out sir.
5:55 oh boy I've heard stories about Canonical. Mark Shuttleworth, its founder, is something special, and he's the last filter before getting hired. He's the reason why these positions *never* get filled
Wow, so he's hiring people that he doesn't trust to handle the hiring process? Yeah that's a recipe for disaster.
There really should be some kind of administrative responsibility for creating fake jobs, the real question is how to determine if the job has no intention of being filled.
Crowdstrike consistently has 1000+ jobs open. Either there is an extremely big churn rate, or....
If I find out a job I applied to is fake, that company gets several hundred chatgpt generated resumes to every position they have posted
Thanks for Sharing...LinkedIn also posted a fake job as well. A job with LinkedIn. Its sad but true and for the exact reasons that he mentioned.
I learned a decade ago to check if a company uses H1B visa holders. as the process requires companies to 'try" to find qualified Americans.
As they are trying to hire these cheap workers as replacements, they will never hire an American but have to give interviews. It's a waste of time to apply.
It's often my first question, is this a real position or are you just fulfilling the perm process requirements?
fake job postings need to made very illegal
If the same company posts the same job over and over again, it may also be a case of a manager who doesn't know how to do their job and people keep on quitting. E.g. A team has 10 people on it. One person quits due to this manager, they hire their replacement, and another person quits. So they need to advertise again. And it continues until the company wises up and they get rid of the manger. I saw that happen in help desk jobs.
On top of fake jobs, resume catfishers collect our workers info, wanting us to verify our info, even if they don't bait and switch on us, take our info to either sell it into some algorithm or AI model or literal scammers. So much for going into academics and debt and training, updated resumes just to get unappreciated, spit on and insulted at the end of that horrible struggle...
I wish you would collaborate with someone on the public sector government jobs. I have mentioned Kentucky's hiring process and practices are awful.
How is this not fraud?
I think you fan report it to the FTC actually
Spot on. Today I was offered an insurance during an interview (in Italy). Red flag = I run!
Fun fact. Back in April I was asked to do an interview with a Federal Government position as a project manager. "Can you interview today?" "sure I'm free at that time." 1 hour after the 30 minute interview: "Hey you got the job!" Me to myself: that was TOO fast and TOO easy.
I ran soooo fast citing the pay wasn't in line with what I wanted then I ghosted them. it felt WAYYY "too good to be true".
Federal, in my experience, especially within the past year, moves Extremely rapidly.
This is not historically true. But given my experience, you undoubtedly did turn down a legitimate job.
Federal moves lightening fast when it wants to.
I interviewed in a week after applying... and was hired the day of the interview... now I wasn't allowed to start for another four months while they did their background checks and such. But they are very fast with the interview and selecting process IF you are their candidate. If you are not, you won't hear shit from them until 3 months when their preferred candidate signs on the doted line.
Same thing just happened this past month. Emailed me, interviewed me, checked my references an hour following my interview and called me back to say "we're selecting you, prepare ".
Federal government moves lightening fast when they want to.
There might be some reputable offshore recruiters, but I haven't encountered one, and probably 100 have reached out to me
I always raise a red flag whenever there’s a weird Linked In DM. Even if it’s from a legit place.
Same. When you get a recruiter saying they have a job you woukd be great for
#1 sign.... an indian guy on the phone with heavy accent whose name is "Kevin Johnson"
I lived through this with a recruiter, who worked for a large FQHC in the Midwest. After being ghosted by the company, after an interview, the same recruiter called with a different opportunity. I spoke with her and interviewed with the director. After that I was told I would have to interview with the clinical team. I told them no thank you because this does not feel right.
Do a video on how to spot fake job ads that are just there to justify outsourcing. A typical sign is that they make some esoteric requirement like technologies nobody uses any more, or a handful of people is familiar with, like borland turbo pascal or whatever thing nobody uses.
I have an MBA and 15 years experience. I’m employed and have been attempting to make a lateral move for the past 2 years and have only have 1 phone interview past an HR screener.
Even if it's not a fake job ad, I think fewer people are falling for, let alone applying to jobs advertised as $12/hour, PT, no benefits, must work weekends.
Facts I also noticed most jobs will also say other assigned duties it's like come on your barely paying me but than we gotta do more work and I Aldo noticed jobs like Amazon Fed Ex and UPS are always hiring but they expect you to do whatever they tell you even if it's 14 hour shifts which us ridiculous only jobs like that are hiring even nursing homes/Healthcare places and bus companies need people as well this is also my 2nd bus company I got hired with I'm only there to drive a van the 1st one wanted me to drive a bus I went with it but they wanted me to do all these goofy tests and barely got training so I'm at the point wrre I'll drive the van and that's it since I already got a buisness already just using this jib to stack up that's it
such a valuable videos. Thank you very much for your work
I've seen a job posted by the local county for months, over and over. So local government is not above posting fake jobs or endless resume harvesting.
Had an experience with Apple, fake interview: they never wanted to fill in the position and wasted my time. Blacklisted them as employer AND never going to buy their products again.
Great advice!
Truckimg companies are a lot like this!! Always hiring revolving door!!
This video was every informative
I think LinkedIn should block all third-party recruiters that do not have a verified check mark email address
Not a bad idea.
@@ALifeAfterLayoff That would cut down on a lot of the problems. However my daughter just got a message from someone that had a one page domain landing page. The scammers made a page to look legit.
It's eeasy to recognize: it's being advertised or offered to you. Especially if you're offered a living wage.
Nothing like a security company posting jobs and after you fill out an online application, follow all the AI generated texts, answers several questions on a 'video interview', get an interview date/time, report to the office in downtown Los Angeles and discover that it's little more than a cattle call. Worse was waiting an hour (should've left after a half hour) before being called in, then placed in a interview room for another twenty minute wait only to have a five minute conversation with a manager stating that the position as been filled. He didn't even thank me for coming in or offer me a handshake (to be fair, neither did I, due to the inexcusable wait time with no explanation).
The only positive is that I handed a resume to a human being (that would have to actually dispose of it) and the manager did tell me that depending on the position, it might be from another office.
Ireland is a small place compared to US and therefore it's easier to spot fake jobs. Mastercard has offices here and they constantly, for 10 years advertise for the Software Engineer job in Dublin 8 post code but never hire anyone fore it. We all know why that is and why the job descriptions are very specific and use esoteric technologies. Your application is their backup
Companies happy to waste my time... Then I am happy doing the bare minimum.
There are tons of scams going around offering remote work. I get 1-2 unsolicited texts per week. It makes sense unfortunately. Lots of demand for that working arrangement and shrinking opportunities. It's ripe for criminals to take advantage of desparate job seekers. It's a tough job market out there.
thanks for helping me realize im a shitty it guy and after 10+yrs, its time to do something else.
The best ones I get are the ones that randomly text me. They tell mensole really unrealistic salary range, remote, etc and then expose themselves by having age discrimination which goes against the NLRB
I would suggest that when you find a company posting pipeline recs to pay attention to that companies name and add them to your "do not apply list". In addition, look for postings where the job requirements list skills only someone holding three different BS degrees would have. In that case, they are looking to fire three people and hire 1 to do the work of 3, so that company should be added to your "do not apply" list as well. Remember that how a company treats it's prospective employees reflects how it will treat you after you are hired. When I see behavior like this, I assume the work environment at that company must be toxic and why would I waste my time applying to them even if a real position opened up at a later date. Brian advocates that you investigate a company to find out if it is a good place to work or not, and I believe how their recruiters (those who represent the company) treat prospective employees is a good indicator.
I'm not sure if this is what you consider a 'fake' job or evergreen, but to me they are nearly equivalent:
1. Posted over and over
2. Posted across many cities
3. Vague, generic or MANY different job requirements (you need Java, C#, Python, and Swift)
4. Word-salad job descriptions
5. Can't find information on the company
6. And... unfortunately, recruiter calls from certain states (NJ for some reason) or speaks broken English.
Tbh, I ALMOST applied for a job with that "it could be too good to be true" types of descriptions.
It was at a car wash, and I think the main things you did would be stand and greet someone, kinda the norm, but I don't recall the full description of the job, such as if you had to work with the mechanics of the wash (such as cleaning it, checking for broken parts, etc), or if it was a case of "stand, greet, do the quick window wash thing before letting them into the machine".
I wanna say you would earn a lot DAILY for this position, but I ultimately didn't go for it for some of these reasons - though man did I see those DOLLA SIGNS...
Go figure, next day, it was already gone. xD Idk if it was taken down due to someone getting the job or not, but I wish I screenshotted it - it may had been a rather accessible job for me as well since it was in my area and i could've taken public transportation, but ultimately I didn't want to stand outside in the Texas heat for hours so it wasn't my type of career. xD
Lots of fake job postings in the UK as well lately
Regarding off-shore recruiting mills, I work in IT. When a position in my state comes open I get SPAMMED with emails and phone calls, all from the same or similar area codes: all from NJ. Sometimes there are some from Texas or even my current state. I still screen all my calls because you can't trust them at all. I have also heard from tech recruiters that say the exact same thing as Brian says. They scoop up all these resumes from the position, pitch them to the company and reach out with their hands out.
Applicants should routinely use a VOIP number or a burner cell phone for a job search. You'll never shut off the torrent of spam calls that follow, and it's not worth cluttering up your personal number.
Yes! I thought it was just me getting these, plus scam jobs. Be careful everyone
I dont answer any recruiter from linkedin, indeed etc.
LOL the one about them not being able to fill the job. Netflix has had a posting for a data scientist up for months that they can't fill. They're offering like $800k to the right candidate willing and qualified to make AI movies for them.
If the interviewers are rude, you don’t want to work there. It’s good practice to attend the interview anyway.
Unfortunately some state unemployment laws require you to listen to any job referral/offer. Will it be tracked? Not exactly but I’m waiting for the day some of these scumbags catches on to that fact.
My biggest issue are the recruiters (both on and offshore) that demand your time. Schedule a session, don’t show up, and ask why you’re calling them unprofessional when they try to call and demand more time.
Real job get internal referral and they will tell you if dept is hiring
Been there. Done that. Still no reply. 😂
Amazing channel