As an operator with 50+ yrs experience, as much as i love my trouble free Kubota. If i was in the market for these rigs I'd have to go with the wide tracked NH for practical reasons. Life is more than that beautiful orange paint.
That video was as fair and unbiased as you'll find. I took delivery of a Case TL100 this summer and wouldn't look backwards. CNH has done a spectacular job of taking the time necessary see where the strengths and weaknesses were in a crowded field of competitors, and bringing a construction-grade piece of equipment to market. The accessibility/servicability, ergonomics, and engineering truly make it stand out among its peers. The only other machine I felt rivaled the CNH was the comparable Ditch Witch (SK800 or SK900). These CTL's are what they are, so level-set your expectations. Get out. Shake them down in person. I'm grateful I waited for the release of the CNH machine.
Neil… this is one of your best videos ever that I have seen. Excellent pace, video and sound. Since I follow Mike Morgan the topic is very apropos. He recently did an off the cuff review about another brand. Your review is much better. I will never buy one of these machines. I wish I had the need, and the ca$h to make a purchase; retirement is not fun anymore. Well done Neil!
Great feature!! Not to sound like an echo chamber, but the NH seems to give you more machine around you. Better protection on your sides, the operating station is broader, and the operator has more room to move. But, that's inherent with the radial vs vertical lift. But a major selling point for the Kubota is the super strong hydraulic system. With these units, the user will be performing multiple functions simultaneously. Having it whine just isn't a good thing. I still think the nod goes to Kubota.
I bought a cabbed KX030 here in Michigan from Ginops but considered if it’d be worth traveling to PA and buying it from Neil. I love Messicks videos and would love to give them my business.
As far as the bigger guy comment on the new holland. I tried the kubota and it was great perfect if my pockets were empty but if not too tight. The new holland was super comfy and I think by far the most comfortable. I have all orange but I’m leaning yellow for this
Interesting, those are much larger machines than I thought they were. I was considering a "standup" track loader to clean out goat kidding barns, (very low ceilings, a little over 5 feet), so I'm guessing the old shovel and wheelbarrow aren't out of a job yet. (My aching back is another matter). Thanks for the video.
I would love to see a video on the New Holland C330. Maybe a comparison between the C330 and the SVL65-2. There really isn't any videos on the C330 yet.
Thank you for another great video. I like that you did a comparison on 2 machines that you sell. Love the phone holder on the new holland! Is that a google phone that you have? What do you think of it? Thanks keep the goodness coming!
I’m actually shopping these right now. To meet my needs (not typical perhaps for these) I need to run a hydraulic brush cutter which requires high flow. So far only the Vermeer CTX 160 has what I need. I love my Kubota’s and would love it if they would make a 42” wide 40-50 hp dial circuit hydraulics machine. Is there hope for Kubota to build something like this anytime soon?
Mike Morgan purchased a Vermeer mini-skid not too long ago because of the higher capacities, far above what Kubota has...I'd get the Vermeer if you need a machine now, I'm sure its gonna be a while before Kubota does anything.
Neill - Are you starting to see people with a homestead or rural property buying a mini track loader as a first machine instead of a compact tractor? I think most people who are looking at a compact tractor are really using if as a light construction machine or landscaping instead of actual farming tasks. The major difference would be that tractors can also use 3 point hitch attachments for a plow or disc.
I have a Kubota L2501 with the loader and bh77 back hoe that I use on my. property. If I was going to buy again I would buy a stand up mini over a compact tractor for a variety of reasons. It's far more compact than my current set up (my current set up is about 20 feet long and weighs over 5,000lbs), has great visibility and as a bigger guy the tractor just feels cramped (those BH77 control levers SUCK). I also liked tracked machines. I'm a heavy equipment operator for my county road dept so I'm used to operating all types of equipment. We have a large fleet of New Holland tractors that we use for shoulder and ditch mowers and I must admit, I'm not a big fan of NH. But I have ran a full sized NH skid steer before and it was great. It would be a hard choice between these two models, but I would definitely choose them over a tractor for my property.
Hi Neil. I currently use a BX2660, shimmed to 1900 psi. I use it with Artillian grapple to clear brush and work in backyards. I'm looking for an additional tool. I need better traction for hillside work than the BX offers as well as more pushing power. I am often using the tractor to remove Bush Honeysuckle and Russian Olives. Do you think an SCL would be a good tool? Just not a lot of videos out there of customers doing this type of work.
Good morning, I have had both gear drive and Hydrostat. I had to put a clutch in the gear driven tractor and that is a lot of work. I would ask the dealer what the cost is before buying. I can tell you for sure that will be an issue down the road. For me HST is the only way to go. I will only buy HST from this point forward. Hope this helps.
I've said that all along for these machines under 26 hp why not just run a Bigger engine at lower rpm to keep the hp down and make them last longer, and owners could turn them up to get that power back if needed!
I'm sitting here wondering why they both have useless lights and the yeller one even has it aimed upwards. The 'bota running a turbo needs to have the radiator less clogged up, knowing their designs that's probably why the pumps are out front. Having a rear-heavy front-loader on tracks is actually good, it reduces wear on the tracks when its unloaded. My arm-span is 6'7" and I would _NOT_ want to have to do service in the back of the yeller.
If New Holland was still an American company, Kubota would be the better quality of the two, but now it is owned and headquartered in Europe, it might be ok.
Why wouldn't they all use a Universal system? I will grant that some machines are "pilot control" and others use SAE "hoe" control, but why do either company use different control sets? Makes it harder to sell against the competition, no matter what brand you sell.
Yes. I have that Kawasaki engine in my zero turn, and the power difference between that and my previous 26Hp Kubota diesel is much, much, much smaller than then HP difference would lead you to believe.
@@MessicksEquip I'd really like to see you make a video of a BX and L25 both brush hogging side by side with 6ft brush mowers to demonstrate how much torque plays into the equation.
They’re super handy, and very capable. I know a tree guy who has said many times that if he only had one piece of equipment it would be his ditch witch mini skid. I’ve seen him load well over 1k pound logs into a dump trailer.
As an operator with 50+ yrs experience, as much as i love my trouble free Kubota. If i was in the market for these rigs I'd have to go with the wide tracked NH for practical reasons.
Life is more than that beautiful orange paint.
Neil, excellent video. You really went through everything on each machine. Great detail. Neil, very informative and enjoyable video. Thanks
Neill Messick for President!!!!💪👍
Lol 😅. I mean, given the choices why not?
Excellent video!!
That video was as fair and unbiased as you'll find. I took delivery of a Case TL100 this summer and wouldn't look backwards. CNH has done a spectacular job of taking the time necessary see where the strengths and weaknesses were in a crowded field of competitors, and bringing a construction-grade piece of equipment to market. The accessibility/servicability, ergonomics, and engineering truly make it stand out among its peers. The only other machine I felt rivaled the CNH was the comparable Ditch Witch (SK800 or SK900). These CTL's are what they are, so level-set your expectations. Get out. Shake them down in person. I'm grateful I waited for the release of the CNH machine.
Neil… this is one of your best videos ever that I have seen. Excellent pace, video and sound. Since I follow Mike Morgan the topic is very apropos. He recently did an off the cuff review about another brand. Your review is much better. I will never buy one of these machines. I wish I had the need, and the ca$h to make a purchase; retirement is not fun anymore. Well done Neil!
Appreciate the unbiased information.
Neil a little bucket in your dirt? Lol love your videos always informative and entertaining
Great feature!! Not to sound like an echo chamber, but the NH seems to give you more machine around you. Better protection on your sides, the operating station is broader, and the operator has more room to move. But, that's inherent with the radial vs vertical lift. But a major selling point for the Kubota is the super strong hydraulic system. With these units, the user will be performing multiple functions simultaneously. Having it whine just isn't a good thing. I still think the nod goes to Kubota.
When are you going to open a Messick's center in southeast Michigan? I'm looking to buy, a cabbed U35 and a SVL75.
Probably never - they’re local to PA
I bought a cabbed KX030 here in Michigan from Ginops but considered if it’d be worth traveling to PA and buying it from Neil. I love Messicks videos and would love to give them my business.
I could see these things really taking off, that's a lot of hydraulic ability in a small package
As far as the bigger guy comment on the new holland. I tried the kubota and it was great perfect if my pockets were empty but if not too tight. The new holland was super comfy and I think by far the most comfortable. I have all orange but I’m leaning yellow for this
Interesting, those are much larger machines than I thought they were. I was considering a "standup" track loader to clean out goat kidding barns, (very low ceilings, a little over 5 feet), so I'm guessing the old shovel and wheelbarrow aren't out of a job yet. (My aching back is another matter). Thanks for the video.
Do they make a 4-way bucket for that small of a machine?
Yes.
What is it compared to the ditch witch sk1050
I would love to see a video on the New Holland C330. Maybe a comparison between the C330 and the SVL65-2. There really isn't any videos on the C330 yet.
I will take the New Holland over the Kubota for the stability.
Thank you for another great video. I like that you did a comparison on 2 machines that you sell. Love the phone holder on the new holland!
Is that a google phone that you have? What do you think of it?
Thanks keep the goodness coming!
I've used Google Pixel phones for years. My 'day job' is in IT, its a very tech friendly device.
I’m actually shopping these right now. To meet my needs (not typical perhaps for these) I need to run a hydraulic brush cutter which requires high flow. So far only the Vermeer CTX 160 has what I need. I love my Kubota’s and would love it if they would make a 42” wide 40-50 hp dial circuit hydraulics machine. Is there hope for Kubota to build something like this anytime soon?
We have 4 of the ctx 160’s. They are an absolute powerhouse.
Mike Morgan purchased a Vermeer mini-skid not too long ago because of the higher capacities, far above what Kubota has...I'd get the Vermeer if you need a machine now, I'm sure its gonna be a while before Kubota does anything.
kubota just relaease the svl50x
48" wide and 50 hp.
I want to know the torque rise %
Neill - Are you starting to see people with a homestead or rural property buying a mini track loader as a first machine instead of a compact tractor? I think most people who are looking at a compact tractor are really using if as a light construction machine or landscaping instead of actual farming tasks. The major difference would be that tractors can also use 3 point hitch attachments for a plow or disc.
We rent them to homeowners all the time. Its unlikely owning one over a tractor makes sense for that kind of customer.
I have a Kubota L2501 with the loader and bh77 back hoe that I use on my. property. If I was going to buy again I would buy a stand up mini over a compact tractor for a variety of reasons. It's far more compact than my current set up (my current set up is about 20 feet long and weighs over 5,000lbs), has great visibility and as a bigger guy the tractor just feels cramped (those BH77 control levers SUCK). I also liked tracked machines. I'm a heavy equipment operator for my county road dept so I'm used to operating all types of equipment. We have a large fleet of New Holland tractors that we use for shoulder and ditch mowers and I must admit, I'm not a big fan of NH. But I have ran a full sized NH skid steer before and it was great. It would be a hard choice between these two models, but I would definitely choose them over a tractor for my property.
Hi Neil. I currently use a BX2660, shimmed to 1900 psi. I use it with Artillian grapple to clear brush and work in backyards. I'm looking for an additional tool. I need better traction for hillside work than the BX offers as well as more pushing power. I am often using the tractor to remove Bush Honeysuckle and Russian Olives. Do you think an SCL would be a good tool? Just not a lot of videos out there of customers doing this type of work.
I would not choose to run these on a hillside. Bigger tractor probably.
Good morning, I have had both gear drive and Hydrostat. I had to put a clutch in the gear driven tractor and that is a lot of work. I would ask the dealer what the cost is before buying. I can tell you for sure that will be an issue down the road. For me HST is the only way to go. I will only buy HST from this point forward. Hope this helps.
I've said that all along for these machines under 26 hp why not just run a Bigger engine at lower rpm to keep the hp down and make them last longer, and owners could turn them up to get that power back if needed!
Then they get more emission systems!
They wouldn't as long as kept the horsepower under 26.
This is done, especially in the tractor world.
The Kubota looks like a more refined and higher quality machine.
I'm sitting here wondering why they both have useless lights and the yeller one even has it aimed upwards. The 'bota running a turbo needs to have the radiator less clogged up, knowing their designs that's probably why the pumps are out front. Having a rear-heavy front-loader on tracks is actually good, it reduces wear on the tracks when its unloaded.
My arm-span is 6'7" and I would _NOT_ want to have to do service in the back of the yeller.
New holland
If New Holland was still an American company, Kubota would be the better quality of the two, but now it is owned and headquartered in Europe, it might be ok.
New Holland is headquartered in New Holland, PA... About 30 minutes from our stores.
Mike Morgan said the Kubota mini was weak compared to the Verneer
Vermeer makes a 40Hp model, its much larger (and more expensive) than either of these.
Why wouldn't they all use a Universal system? I will grant that some machines are "pilot control" and others use SAE "hoe" control, but why do either company use different control sets? Makes it harder to sell against the competition, no matter what brand you sell.
What's interesting is the kawi fx1000v 38.5hp engine only makes 57.5 ft lbs.
Yes. I have that Kawasaki engine in my zero turn, and the power difference between that and my previous 26Hp Kubota diesel is much, much, much smaller than then HP difference would lead you to believe.
@@MessicksEquip I'd really like to see you make a video of a BX and L25 both brush hogging side by side with 6ft brush mowers to demonstrate how much torque plays into the equation.
$40k + is a ton of money for what amounts to a very small machine.
They’re super handy, and very capable. I know a tree guy who has said many times that if he only had one piece of equipment it would be his ditch witch mini skid. I’ve seen him load well over 1k pound logs into a dump trailer.
This is me. We run our mini skid more than our full size machine. They're unbeatable for tree work.@@JB.Olsen7
A great cell phone holder is important. I think not. So dumb.
Turbocharger? No thanks.
We have 2200 hours on our Kubota SCL. Zero issues with the engine.