Imagine being surprised that you might lose your job because of your incompetence, and then wanting empathy from the people you constantly patronize and demonize. Their logic is flawless.
@@jeannec1154Had an opportunity to mingle with a bunch of Gen Z and Millennials last weekend, and to my surprise (and delight) none of them really embraced full wokeness. They go along with new ideas about gender and such, as young people tend to do. But they will step on any of their peers who tries to use their own real or imagined uniqueness to bully others or turn themselves into a victim. And they were on the fence about things like treating young transgenders, being well aware of medical and moral objections. I’d say there is hope for these generations. Amongst them like amongst us, what you hear all day every day in the media is not their prevailing opinion. What scares me more are the older generations: how pretty much the entirety of the “intellectuals”, reporters, writers, scholars, politicians, have embraced wokeness without question. Including all the bad parts of it: the divisive sectarianism, the hatred, the bullying and persecution of dissenting opinions, cancel culture and so on.
Weak overindulging first world parents and vain post-camera self-idolatry take much of the blame. Their parents primed them for wokeness so they would grow up to make Roman-style mainstream hex cults.
At conventions I actively avoid vendors, panels, and booths that boldly state trans, bipoc, or anything else the activists loudly claim because 1) I don't want to deal with them and 2) honestly most of their products are not that good or decent quality worth purchasing. They don't understand supply and demand, let your work speak for itself not guilt trip people through activism.
You and everyone else. Most of these panels, booths, and vendors have nothing to show but empty space. I still remember one convention I went to their "Diversity and homosexuality" panel that was scheduled to last for an hour had nobody in their line and you could hear the panelists throwing a fit over nobody being there and after fifteen minutes they stormed out of the room glaring at everyone who was waiting for one of the other panels. Security was present so they didn't dare to more but you could tell they wanted to get violent and lecture the rest of us.
For 10 years we have said keep your politics, morals and ideals out of my fantasy worlds and respect the lore and creators of them. We play to escape the twitter drama
@@Theranthrope well wherever humans and compatible mates are the fetishes will blossom lmao. Look at those mages alone in the tower or do not. Choice is yours.
This is 100% the reign of terror. First there's lots of momentum and they have support, then they get power and start targeting people for less coherent reasons, then people get sick of it and it's their turn on the block.
this is why gatekeeping is important, these people will create division where none existed before, their "inclusivity" excludes anyone with a different opinion. if they are allowed in these spaces they will ban/expel those they do not agree with.
As a newcomer to scifi, nerd and fantasy fandoms, i am absolutely in favor of gatekeeping to prevent these people from subverting and ruining escapism. I grew up in Nigeria watching fantasy and sci-fi shows like He-Man, Star Wars, Lord of the rings, Conan etc and i came to love the genres. It was only as i got older that i was able to get more into them via novels and video games and the communities welcomed me and helped me find more stuff to enjoy🎉 but all these woke people started ruining it with their toxic identity politics and attacking genuine fans (old and new) but i am happy to see this is gradually changing and the woke are being pushed out.
These activists have done so much damage to these hobbies that fans have started making alternatives for themselves. While they might be getting rid of these people it might be too late.
oh ya its to late, like how marvel is REPORTIDLY now trying to course correct, it will take years to see if it can be saved, but its not nearly as far gone as star wars... which is dead unless they do a hard restart of the entire franchise, and Dr Who is just dead with no hope of saving it now
@@GunterThePenguinHatesHugs Critical Role are part of the cancer. A bunch of people who used to make fun of gamers growing up, cashing in on the Hobby.
@@vergillives9890 oh with the nature of comics can easily enough course correct, but star wars legacy has been ruined at eveyr era it cant possibly be fixed without a restart. DnD... eh most likely cant be fixed
We were bullied for liking games and anything nerdy, so when the time came where it became more "acceptable" we let people in. We didn't want to keep people out of it and wanted to spread the joy we found in these things. Unfortunately, we let the Vikings in as well and they ransacked the place. It looks nothing like how it used to and we are to blame for that. The open border policy bit us in the butt, so now we should all understand that we may need to gatekeep from now on. I hope we all learned this and never lax on it.
Gatekeeping is a start, but it has to be more proactive. Just because you drove the vikings out does not mean that they are gone. They just returned to lurking in the shadows and prowling the borders. Until they lose the ability to raid and wage war to loot and destroy and drive you out of your hobby, this is guaranteed to happen again and again, and each time, it will be harder and harder to drive them off. This, unfortunately, is a lesson that can not be taught only learned.
@@guyfalcurious762 While I agree, there is a clear line when proactiveness become witch hunting. We can't become like Inquisitors who even sniff a minute bit of corruption and start throwing around "HERESY!" That would make us become like they were. Each person has a subjective line and criteria. We may have a long fight ahead, but we can't become them. As long as we don't accept people who want to change anything and everything, I think that's a good start. If they can't accept that, then they can get the hell out and find something else.
Dog whistle, rolls eyes. Stop using their language. It's the easiest and first thing a person is willing to change about themselves. Now you're talking and thinking like them, even if you're 'on the other side'. Be careful, don't become the thing you hate.
Bell and her husband (who was actually the one named to be running things, btw) were volunteers. They served at the convention committee's pleasure. They had no right to make plans for being in charge forever. They had no right to use funding meant for writer guests for their own uses, as they admitted to doing, even if those uses were connected to the symposium (which apparently they weren't, in some cases). She was a crook in a small way; she and her husband didn't justify their funding by bringing in fan bodies; and basically they failed, and stole (misappropriated) convention money and time and event space. Failure is one thing, but the misappropriation you'd have to be a fool to ignore.
That's because that's all they can really do. They have no real power on their own. They always need to get prominent people of some form of authority to inforce their will on others. The moment people, especially those on top, ignore them, they will in up losing all their power and influence. Since people are slowly walking away from them more and more recently, they're beginning to panic right now.
I was the PA for one of the authors. She was also a panelist at the symposium in 2022 and 2023, so I got to hang out and attend all the industry events. Almost all of the panelists and guests were woke. I had to tread carefully so I wouldn't cause my author friend to get any flack. I am glad this happened. Some of the well-known authors there were R.A. Salvatore and Michael Stackpole.
The tides are turning. The question has always been asked should we have "gatekeepers" and the past 8 years, the answer has been proven to be "YES". "Inclusion" used to be cool but then it became a cancer.
We wanted to be accepted and so we accepted whoever wanted to join. Little did we know those who wanted in wanted the traditional fans GONE! It was a wooden horse filled with the enemy we didn't know we had.
Good. GenCon organizers have the right to decide how their convention is run and the tone of the gathering. If the writers symposium refuses to honor that, then convention organizers have every right to fire them. It is their convention, not the symposium's. The symposium staff can bitch and moan all they want, but at the end of the day they are not in any way entitled to GenCon's money and resources.
It boggles my mind that the activists thought they could do whatever they wanted against the owners' wishes, threaten them, and still be invited back to organize the con next year 😂
@@Michael_Pepin It boggles my mind that these activists somehow thought they were so entitled to run the symposium that they could make demands of the convention organizers. It doesn't work that way. Now the activists are trying to raise a big stink, but I don't think its going the way they want.
You mean like Disney demonizing the fan group that has the money to buy the what used to be cool toys. But subscribes to the message and us GenXers just close our wallets and walk away.
If you want to join a fandom, then you're welcome in. The door is opened. But if ALL you do once you're in the door is demand changes, then you were never genuinely a fan, and the actual fans WILL question why you wanted in to begin with.
My wife and I were long time GenCon attendees. We haven’t been back since the pandemic because of this situation. There is no way I’m going to waste my time and money going to a convention to be surrounded by bullies. The whole reason I gravitated to this hobby over 35 😮years ago was because of the openness of the other people that were already a part of the community. The whole point of this hobby is to get away from the real world and all of its ugliness and escape to a place where the hero actually has a chance to win the day. The people who are ruining it for everyone else lack the imagination to truly appreciate that idea.
I bet that there's arguments somewhere in your internet history where you shat on someone who questioned the value of inviting in people who weren't actually interested in the games, just because they were women or minorities.
I remember the Quartering getting attacked. Then I look at convention rules making guests easy targets for nut jobs. I won't go to an event where predators have no cause to fear.
You pi ss Ed on the football , well ok we are going to do something else rather than play football with you and leather can be descented with a corn enzymes based product. Fabreeze or a generic version.
Good riddance - I am a 50 year old tabletop gamer who was first introduced to the hobby by original D&D. Thank God I still have a good set of gaming friends to roll dice with - we are old school and we love it! I used to be against gatekeeping but now I am all for it.
Im 45 and i got to meet Mr Gygax in the early 90s, iirc. Was one of the last times he attended GenCon, just as The Cardies were beginning to invade. That year it was briefcases, taped up glasses and pocket protectors. Just two years later it was a miasma of BO, greasy hair, duffel bags full of binders and people playing MtG on the bathroom floor next to the urinals. I was there the year the Chainmail Bikini Girl was told by security that she would have to take off the bikini because it was too revealing, and she did, right there in the main room! 😅 Make foolish requests, get wrecked! Better days. Now I'm the Forever DM to my brother and a bunch of 20-30 somethings. Havent been to a convention in over a decade and dont plan to. My current crop of players have no room in their hearts for anything Woke. There's still hope.
her use of her "disability" as a shield is pathetic, plenty of us are disabled and cant get hired to do basic jobs let alone big ones like that, she aint disabled, she is untrained and unqualified for most jobs. she just mad her power has been removed...
Our ancestors hunted and killed animals to survive. Some people today can't get out of bed without checking how to eat breakfast in a DEI acceptable way.
I got to see the backs of the diversity team where i work for the final time one week ago. And its incredible to see the relaxed nature and calm atmosphere return to the workplace after 8 years. Its actually mind blowing how quickly things have gone back to normal.
It just shows how weak their ideology is. It took a year of musk owning twitter for everything to start going back to normal because can now voice their opinion on it. these people need censorship to survive and thats why they are freaking out trying to take free speech away in America because the tide is turning.
@eastlynburkholder3559 Use to have dyed hair pre 2009 but when all this woke BS started I quickly noticed they all had rainbow colored hair... Haven't dyed my hair since for fear of being confused for one of them.
One thing I'm noticing is that when people take stands against loud mouths who pretend to ve activist, the first thing the loud mouth does is threaten to 'expose' things, which shows you they never went in with good intentions OR even cared about 'problematic issues' as someone who DID would have addressed the issues long ago for the benefit of others. The panel only cared about 'issues' when their jobs were on the line. So yeah, they deserve to be let go due to being not just grifters but coniving harpies who have been using the con to present their politics no one wants while acting uppity about it. Why the heck would you agree to book ANYONE who has no works or interest in sci-fi and their only claim to fame is another garbage book on current day feminism? Con goers don't come for that crap and it's idiocitic. And who the hell cares if a con is 'comfortable with Whiteness'. All that means is that the harpies hated that White dudes didn't pay attention to them and were having fun. I'm sick of these weirdos making up buzzterms against people who just want to enjoy themselves and their lives.
“Some Gaymers are more equal than other gamers “ “Welcome all Gaymers” was the biggest banner in the convention center lobby the year quartering got suckerpunced. It just got weird. It was the year GenCon built a Tower of Babel
My friends and I went to Gencon every year during the 90s and a bit into the 00s. It was crowded AF. But, it was incredibly friendly and welcoming. Everyone greeted you with a smile and simply wanted to know what games, comics, authors, etc. you were into so they could share stories with you about common interests. I considered going back in 2019 for old times sake. I was warned off by a friend who had moved to Michigan (lower State) and was therefore a lot closer and could keep going every year. He told me he stopped going by 2018. "The atmosphere has changed and its bad. If someone asks you about your interests now, and you say the wrong thing, in other words, you 'trigger' them in some way, you instantly become persona non grata. I tell you, buddy, it feels like walking on a minefield now. People are not smiling nearly as much as when we all went there 20+ years ago. There's a whole 'cover-your-six' feeling instead." He goes to other cons now. I was disappointed to hear this. I have fond memories of Gencon. I'm sure people are still having fun there. If the weren't, they would have long since collapsed. But I guess a lot of people feel that a haven for geek culture has been bent to the darkness of grift guised as 'inclusion' and pushed by bullying, narcissistic hypocrites. I am also guessing that, now that money is on the line, Gencon is finally being forced to choose between activism and being able to continue. Terrible way to learn something that should have been obvious the moment these harpies started screeching but, better late than never I suppose.
I'll be honest.. It was those Lefty that made me stop writing my own novel over on Deviant Art. My Art and story was trashed to the point that I had enough and just quit. I quit drawing and I quit writing. I deleted so much of my stuff from DA. But I am glad their are people in the Con's finally saying. "Enough." and fighting back.
Those in the TTRPG community thought the activists just wanted to play, and after a lifetime of being bullied and ostracized because of what they loved the role players were happy to share their beloved hobby never imagining that they’d only succeeded in trading one kind of bully for a much more insidious and manipulative kind of bully that kept you from fighting back by claiming they were the victims. Gamers aren’t the most socially adept lot (most of us aren’t) so it makes sense that they didn’t catch on and figure out a counter right away but it was always going to happen. The other areas of pop culture are only fighting back sooner because they had the lesson of ttrpg and things like video games are harder to hold on to once you start damaging them.
Good to see Gen Con show a little backbone on this situation. Kudos to them. Sanity is coming back and a few people are gonna be in a world of hurt when it gets here.
The quartering incident was a lot more serious than you described in terms of the actual attack. Then there was the removal of guest of honor Larry Correia from Origins. And, a lot of authors wrote off that Gen Con Symposium when it first went far-left DEI BEFORE COVID.
Something that needs to be pointed out: The more creative control a community has over their own expierience, the less reason for vocal backlash exists. And with the TTRPG community - we have game rules that work just as fine today, as a decade ago, and for a lot of established players - we aren't necessarily paying attention to what is CURRENTLY happening, we are familiar with the rule sets of games that we use, GM's may very well have a pile of rule sets they have never actual ran - because they have idea's they like. With TTRPG's in particular - roughly 1/5th of the table at the least is going to be a big creator of some nature, and in my expierience it tends to be about half are in some way shape or form really bloody creative types that just love to invest into an idea. To that group, it doesn't matter what WotC is doing, or Paizo for the most part: We have the core rules and often times, that is years and years of play not needing anything else. I think in the end, this is why the D&D community only really started getting extremely loud and mad at WotC when they threatened the OGL 1.0a license: The entire community is functionally live, and let live. TTRPG's are an incrediblle place to explore all kinds of non-sense, strive to understand being someone else entirely and so it is a traditionally far more open place to be. The Irony is, my expierience with the community at large is you get a lot of eye rolling at the activism for the simple fact that their ARE differences, and that's ok - don't desparage someone for being different, just accept that... maybe they are; now - what were we doing? Were we here to have a good time, and tell stories - or were we here to talk politics? The mistake of GenCon is likely they saw the pandemic as a slow down, not realizing that the slow down was paired in an exaustion. And this is something I think a lot of companies didn't get: Covid, and all that transpired acted as a shield to the growing activism in various places; unfortunately - shields break, and they get discarded, and when that takes place there is only what is left behind that shield to stand; and what is left once you take the shield away from the corpo activism is an unwanted leach: And we are seeing it be rejected. People can go out, people can talk, people are re-discovering old media from games, to movies, to music and... It's good: The message is hope, endurance, and perseverience; The message of old media is one of looking forward towards something better - something worth fighting for. And as people discover this - it is contrasted to the new; and when that happens: The new doesn't stand to scrutiny.
This activist isn’t handling rejection very well. Her obsession with wanting to talk to the guy in charge, in private, just screams, “I’m going to use threats and blackmail to try and get my way when no one else is listening.”
Sometimes, "You did a good job" is "we don't want to deal with you any more, but we also aren't so petty that we're seeking to sully your reputation, and we'd like to part amicably." Sometimes, "You did a good job" is "We're going to say as little as possible, and what we say is going to be tepid and benign, because we know we'll see anything else we say skewed wildly out of context on social media, because we suspect _you_ are as petty as @#$%." In either case, demanding further reply ("open" yet "private"?!) and going on about their expectation that they would reign in perpetuity regardless of their performance suggests, at the very least, a willful ignorance of how their actions reflect on their image. Or as Gen Con might say, "Charisma is their dump stat".
She should speak on inclusion and diversity, she should form her own committee and events to hold such discussions and let these people have their own fun
I remember when I got a lecture on the GM's opinions about politics at a con eight years ago, all extreme left. First time I heard the word "woke". That is when I starting trying to hold the gate with TTRPGs, and getting called a bully by the people who now weep that they aren't fascists and racists and are eager for every con game to be a struggle session. Screw 'em. If you can't game with people who are to the right of Hillary and not have a hysterical melt down, get bent. People like that ruined my life, personally and professionally. And I wouldn't give a one of them CPR. Or their evengelical counterparts. Tired of being the "better man" and getting stomped on in the process.
@@Bronasaxon - I can't say for sure, but I don't believe that's accurate. I've read journals of others who've spoken about their elders and their fuddy-duddy ways. I think younger people have always had angst against their elders. At least in the 16th and 17th century diaries I've read through.
I genuinely, honestly trying to keep an open mind and not judge people by their appearance... and yet most of the time when these pro-DEI social activists come up and a photo is attached, I can't help but think, "yep, looks exactly how I imagined".
A friend of mine (not anymore) took over the care of a MENSA chapter's newsletter and decided it was now hers to do whatever she wanted to... which meant she unapologetically made all of the articles about wokeness and inclusion... that aren't even real inclusion. I miss the 70's-90's. I was the black kid in the gamer group. Nobody cared. We all enjoyed D&D, or Atari, or computer games, etc. Our sisters, girlfriends, and later wives were cool with it all and would even join us. You could have friends over and it wasn't passively watching sports, but participating as a group. Like I said, no one cared. We had fun. Now the activists have shown up and we all must do as we're told and conform to their vision of utopia.
@@benbaggen2375 Well if you were older than a booger smeared on a bed-post, you'd understand that things were a bit different 50 years ago and not so integrated. But with mutual interests in gaming etc, a lot of walls came down that our parents were still lurking behind. Why can't you learn some history?
@@benbaggen2375because thats not how it was. I remember discovering that Mike Pondsmith was black in about '94, i think. Even then, that was a surprise for younger me when i met him at GenCon. Changed my life. The realities of today are not the realities of the past, cupcake.
@@benbaggen2375 Same reason that for a group of my black friends I was "the white kid." It makes it easier for other people to figure out who you're talking about. I was, and still am, "the white kid." But a question for you; why do you think being "the black kid" is NOT okay? Is it wrong to say that a black guy is black?
not only did they book crappy guests, but they were supposed to get four guests and only found two, and they spent the money that would have gone to two more guests on BS graft.
The vast majority of us out here are fed up with their BS. It's not about liberal or conservative, because I am neither and have friends and family who are both and we are ALL fed the hell up with activist BS. We just want to play our games, watch, read, or listen to our entertainment, and be left the hell alone. People like Bell need to go back to their little self-reinforcing echo chamber bubble and wallow in self-pity about how they are the victim and leave our hobbies the hell alone. We're done with their crap.
Let them have a writer on the stage for every 10k event tickets they sell - since the modern audience never shows up when they have to put their hand in their pockets, only when they're getting bailed out or funded by those they love to attack but the activists seem to think they're the ones who can read the room.
Dead weight and activist is a bit redundant. Anyone who has to use pronouns in any communication should be considered suspect and not given a response unless absolutely necessary. I have been to many Gencons and Origins years ago and you know what the main thing people did? They played games and not worried about real world problems.
Honestly I'm glad that people are being held accountable. Table Top is a more personalized thing. No one can control what is played at someone's table. There is homebrew everywhere. There are dms who have been dming for years before this. They will continue to do so. No one has to give them money. And it's becoming increasingly difficult to make enough money. That will cover all the expenses. Good on the organizers for realizing the reality.
@@darthlaurel he seems like a decent guy - I’ve heard him on podcasts - but I’ve never been able to work out what people like about his writing. Obviously lots of people do, but…
@@stevetaylor5290 a large part of it is that he actually *finishes* his stories. EDIT - Also, while they may have some weird magic systems, they're generally *entertaining*. Which is what I (at least) read fantasy for.
She souns like that manager at every walmart that everyone put fake smiles at but is hated by both coworkers and clients.anyone that has worked at a Walmart has met one 😂
These people are so entitled to other companies/peoples time and things. They never think that they should have something of value to offer in return. So great writers get to go to the symposium as they have proven worthy of being asked. These activitists earn nothing yet expect everything.
@@oldplace2844 I live less than 30min away from the convention center and went to GenCon for years. But once I heard they were having "POC" only rest areas or some stupid shit, I haven't been back. I'd love to go again, but I can't support people like this.
I'm glad they scrapped the symposium committee. Should have gatekept harder before this point. I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Until we can get back to normalcy I only want to see straight white christian men in media. That's all I want to see. I'm a gay black man. I wish we could have the great nuanced experiences we had 10-20 years ago, but we can't right now. That's the fault of these activist. So until we HEAL our culture all I want to see is straight white men taking center stage.
Shame that these brands have been damaged forever. I'm moving to sell off my Magic cards; I haven't gotten anything new in over a decade, all these ones from 12-15 are left over from my brother. I don't believe i even ever looked at them in the 7 years since i moved into this house. I'll never buy any more magic cards.
They should have had the two activist speakers followed by keynote speaker HeelvsBabyface: “There’s nothing I love more, when I’m trying to immerse myself in a world, that you *FOOKING CURRENT-DAY US!!!”*
They rolled in too quick for anyone to do anything about it, now (surprisingly after the "industry" found that they can't make any money) the find themselves out of a job... Who ever said Crime doesn't Pay? Get Woke, Go Broke!
GenCon is a business. It gave ED Bell and her chums the funds to book 4 writers. Instead they booked only 2 writers and spent the rest on other stuff. I'm not surprised that GenCon is annoyed.
Any company or whatever stupid enough to hire her just deserves ALL the fallout and toxicity that comes there way. More and more people are getting sick of the nonsense and NOW is NOT the time to be getting involved with the grifting canker. Certainly as many see Anita specifically as pretty much the source of all this nonsense in games.
I hope you’re right, but don’t believe it enough. So I prepare for the next 5+ years being the time of the hyper aggressive woke, doubling down and destroying even more than ever before.
removing anything gygax should have been a clue that something was wrong. get this filth out of our entertainment and quit giving them chances. it's obvious they aren't there to game.
A great example of this is the white wolf games and onyx path that came in and litterally used those exact methods to try and destroy the system lore of the games that they custodian because they claimed that they where problematic.
I'm old enough to remember when Origins and Gen Con were practically invisible to anyone but the nerd/geek gamers lingering at the edges of respectable society. There were no activists, just oddballs and outcasts looking for a place where they were not merely tolerated, but welcomed, even celebrated. These days, everyone who sees themselves as some variety of outcast (even if they hold all the power) has become a militant, not so much seeking community as demanding the system adapt to their particular doctrines. I suppose this was the inevitable result of the mainstreaming of TTRPGs, as a niche hobby became not merely acceptable, but somehow cool or chic. Anyway, it is good to see some push back, even if it is only for mainly financial reasons. It's high time we took our hobbies back.
The fundamental difference is this: Tabletop RPGs offer a world of essentially limitless imagination. On the other hand, videogames are as close to a pure meritocracy as you can get. Which one do you think appeals more to the gender-confused and identity obsessed?
It is like these people have never actually read science fiction. The real themes of DEI (lack of opportunity and systemic discrimination) which do exist have been addressed by science fiction writers all the way back to the golden age. Strong female characters - check. Strong disabled characters - check. Strong characters of color - check.
Newer "fans"? Bold of you to assume they were fans in the first place. These folks seem like they want control, and nothing else. Fans at least want to be understanding of others, even if they don't agree with them. I no longer go to events, because of these types.
Imagine being surprised that you might lose your job because of your incompetence, and then wanting empathy from the people you constantly patronize and demonize. Their logic is flawless.
Sadly there is a whole generation like this.
Psychotic cultists are all the same.
That's why we call them crybullies.
@@jeannec1154Had an opportunity to mingle with a bunch of Gen Z and Millennials last weekend, and to my surprise (and delight) none of them really embraced full wokeness. They go along with new ideas about gender and such, as young people tend to do. But they will step on any of their peers who tries to use their own real or imagined uniqueness to bully others or turn themselves into a victim. And they were on the fence about things like treating young transgenders, being well aware of medical and moral objections. I’d say there is hope for these generations. Amongst them like amongst us, what you hear all day every day in the media is not their prevailing opinion.
What scares me more are the older generations: how pretty much the entirety of the “intellectuals”, reporters, writers, scholars, politicians, have embraced wokeness without question. Including all the bad parts of it: the divisive sectarianism, the hatred, the bullying and persecution of dissenting opinions, cancel culture and so on.
Weak overindulging first world parents and vain post-camera self-idolatry take much of the blame.
Their parents primed them for wokeness so they would grow up to make Roman-style mainstream hex cults.
When is the public apology to people who were defamed, insulted, and othered?
Don't hold your breath.
Probably never
OMG the othering. That's one of their serious problems.
hmm
Or wrongfully fired.
I just want conventions to be conventions again, not pride fests.
Amen.
At conventions I actively avoid vendors, panels, and booths that boldly state trans, bipoc, or anything else the activists loudly claim because 1) I don't want to deal with them and 2) honestly most of their products are not that good or decent quality worth purchasing. They don't understand supply and demand, let your work speak for itself not guilt trip people through activism.
Anybody who advertises his work as good, at least believes in his own work. Advertising skin color is basically selling a paint chip.
FoamBrain comes immediately to mind. Only time I've ever had dice actually separate along a color line, then I found out about their politics.
And when they don't break even it's always everyone else's fault.
Yeah same here, don't like it don't fund it.
You and everyone else. Most of these panels, booths, and vendors have nothing to show but empty space. I still remember one convention I went to their "Diversity and homosexuality" panel that was scheduled to last for an hour had nobody in their line and you could hear the panelists throwing a fit over nobody being there and after fifteen minutes they stormed out of the room glaring at everyone who was waiting for one of the other panels. Security was present so they didn't dare to more but you could tell they wanted to get violent and lecture the rest of us.
For 10 years we have said keep your politics, morals and ideals out of my fantasy worlds and respect the lore and creators of them. We play to escape the twitter drama
Fetishes are fine tho?
_"Dare you enter my magical realm?"_
@@Theranthrope well wherever humans and compatible mates are the fetishes will blossom lmao. Look at those mages alone in the tower or do not. Choice is yours.
This is 100% the reign of terror. First there's lots of momentum and they have support, then they get power and start targeting people for less coherent reasons, then people get sick of it and it's their turn on the block.
@@Theranthrope ...your realm seems to have a lot of teeth...
@@Shadowslave604 Oh, you don't get the joke.
Do a search on: "Dare you enter my magical realm?"
this is why gatekeeping is important, these people will create division where none existed before, their "inclusivity" excludes anyone with a different opinion. if they are allowed in these spaces they will ban/expel those they do not agree with.
The Creators need to gate keep not the Activists that embed themselves if given an inch in your game.
She looked exactly how everyone knew she would look.
As a newcomer to scifi, nerd and fantasy fandoms, i am absolutely in favor of gatekeeping to prevent these people from subverting and ruining escapism. I grew up in Nigeria watching fantasy and sci-fi shows like He-Man, Star Wars, Lord of the rings, Conan etc and i came to love the genres. It was only as i got older that i was able to get more into them via novels and video games and the communities welcomed me and helped me find more stuff to enjoy🎉 but all these woke people started ruining it with their toxic identity politics and attacking genuine fans (old and new) but i am happy to see this is gradually changing and the woke are being pushed out.
Hey fellow nerd! ...... cool book series is The Silver Ships by S.H. Jucha..... its 19 books, have fun! :D
Long live Rhodesia.
These activists have done so much damage to these hobbies that fans have started making alternatives for themselves. While they might be getting rid of these people it might be too late.
oh ya its to late, like how marvel is REPORTIDLY now trying to course correct, it will take years to see if it can be saved, but its not nearly as far gone as star wars... which is dead unless they do a hard restart of the entire franchise, and Dr Who is just dead with no hope of saving it now
I mean, even Critical Role started using their own system...
@@GunterThePenguinHatesHugs Critical Role are part of the cancer. A bunch of people who used to make fun of gamers growing up, cashing in on the Hobby.
@@koro_kokoro they stomped the life out of the Dr. WHO and Marvel its past the point of no return
@@vergillives9890 oh with the nature of comics can easily enough course correct, but star wars legacy has been ruined at eveyr era it cant possibly be fixed without a restart.
DnD... eh most likely cant be fixed
We were bullied for liking games and anything nerdy, so when the time came where it became more "acceptable" we let people in. We didn't want to keep people out of it and wanted to spread the joy we found in these things. Unfortunately, we let the Vikings in as well and they ransacked the place. It looks nothing like how it used to and we are to blame for that. The open border policy bit us in the butt, so now we should all understand that we may need to gatekeep from now on. I hope we all learned this and never lax on it.
Gatekeeping is a start, but it has to be more proactive. Just because you drove the vikings out does not mean that they are gone. They just returned to lurking in the shadows and prowling the borders. Until they lose the ability to raid and wage war to loot and destroy and drive you out of your hobby, this is guaranteed to happen again and again, and each time, it will be harder and harder to drive them off. This, unfortunately, is a lesson that can not be taught only learned.
@@guyfalcurious762 While I agree, there is a clear line when proactiveness become witch hunting. We can't become like Inquisitors who even sniff a minute bit of corruption and start throwing around "HERESY!" That would make us become like they were. Each person has a subjective line and criteria. We may have a long fight ahead, but we can't become them. As long as we don't accept people who want to change anything and everything, I think that's a good start. If they can't accept that, then they can get the hell out and find something else.
@@Sephvion FINALLY SOMEBODY HERE WITH A FUCKING BRAIN
Learn to integrate or don't join us.
@@gerthddyn Integrate respectfully.
"Marginalized" is dog-whistle for "bully"
"Racist" is dog-whistle for "your statements are logical but I don't have a logical response."
Not to mention use of "Reductio Ad Hitlerum"
Dog whistle, rolls eyes. Stop using their language. It's the easiest and first thing a person is willing to change about themselves. Now you're talking and thinking like them, even if you're 'on the other side'. Be careful, don't become the thing you hate.
Bell and her husband (who was actually the one named to be running things, btw) were volunteers. They served at the convention committee's pleasure. They had no right to make plans for being in charge forever. They had no right to use funding meant for writer guests for their own uses, as they admitted to doing, even if those uses were connected to the symposium (which apparently they weren't, in some cases). She was a crook in a small way; she and her husband didn't justify their funding by bringing in fan bodies; and basically they failed, and stole (misappropriated) convention money and time and event space. Failure is one thing, but the misappropriation you'd have to be a fool to ignore.
Don't believe it!
Keep your wallet CLOSED! (and continue to BOYCOTT these things/ businesses)
Never forget, never forgive
What's more effective than a boycott is a lot of people simply saying "no, this mess isn't worth my time or effort."
And of course they threaten lies and slander when they don't get their way.
That has always been their tactic.
That's because that's all they can really do. They have no real power on their own. They always need to get prominent people of some form of authority to inforce their will on others. The moment people, especially those on top, ignore them, they will in up losing all their power and influence. Since people are slowly walking away from them more and more recently, they're beginning to panic right now.
You missed the part where they were given $4000 for 4 authors. They got two unknown authors and spent the leftover money on themselves.
Not surprising.
I was the PA for one of the authors. She was also a panelist at the symposium in 2022 and 2023, so I got to hang out and attend all the industry events. Almost all of the panelists and guests were woke. I had to tread carefully so I wouldn't cause my author friend to get any flack. I am glad this happened. Some of the well-known authors there were R.A. Salvatore and Michael Stackpole.
The tides are turning. The question has always been asked should we have "gatekeepers" and the past 8 years, the answer has been proven to be "YES". "Inclusion" used to be cool but then it became a cancer.
vermin tides are turning
We wanted to be accepted and so we accepted whoever wanted to join. Little did we know those who wanted in wanted the traditional fans GONE! It was a wooden horse filled with the enemy we didn't know we had.
One doesn't have to gatekeep, just ignore the people coming in and throwing fits to COMPLETELY CHANGE the content.
Woke brought me to try to read all Warhammer books before wokeness infested it😅
these inavders posed as fans an were welcomed by inexpirenced communities.
well now we know
and give these people their dues.
Good. GenCon organizers have the right to decide how their convention is run and the tone of the gathering. If the writers symposium refuses to honor that, then convention organizers have every right to fire them. It is their convention, not the symposium's. The symposium staff can bitch and moan all they want, but at the end of the day they are not in any way entitled to GenCon's money and resources.
It boggles my mind that the activists thought they could do whatever they wanted against the owners' wishes, threaten them, and still be invited back to organize the con next year 😂
@@Michael_Pepin It boggles my mind that these activists somehow thought they were so entitled to run the symposium that they could make demands of the convention organizers. It doesn't work that way. Now the activists are trying to raise a big stink, but I don't think its going the way they want.
Omg we are being ruled by the theater kids
lol exactly
Oh my god.
Not even the fun ones, but the ones who can't deal with a single boo.
Critical Role?
But the gig is up! Because they couldn't do the job!
Never sacrifice paying customers for people who will never be your customers
You mean like Disney demonizing the fan group that has the money to buy the what used to be cool toys. But subscribes to the message and us GenXers just close our wallets and walk away.
@@LGB007 yes, you understand fully
The more someone says they're tolerant, the less they actually are.
Agreed
truly tolerant people are willing to draw a line and state who and what they wont tollerate
Not like they created anything in ALL the time they were there, all they did was preach their nonsense to increasingly empty panels and auditoriums
If you want to join a fandom, then you're welcome in. The door is opened.
But if ALL you do once you're in the door is demand changes, then you were never genuinely a fan, and the actual fans WILL question why you wanted in to begin with.
My wife and I were long time GenCon attendees. We haven’t been back since the pandemic because of this situation. There is no way I’m going to waste my time and money going to a convention to be surrounded by bullies. The whole reason I gravitated to this hobby over 35 😮years ago was because of the openness of the other people that were already a part of the community. The whole point of this hobby is to get away from the real world and all of its ugliness and escape to a place where the hero actually has a chance to win the day. The people who are ruining it for everyone else lack the imagination to truly appreciate that idea.
I bet that there's arguments somewhere in your internet history where you shat on someone who questioned the value of inviting in people who weren't actually interested in the games, just because they were women or minorities.
I remember the Quartering getting attacked. Then I look at convention rules making guests easy targets for nut jobs. I won't go to an event where predators have no cause to fear.
Who cares if the Quartering got attacked the dude's a pussy anyway
we're not fighting back, we're just not buying any of their crap lol
And hopefully learning to make your/our own stuff.
You pi ss Ed on the football , well ok we are going to do something else rather than play football with you and leather can be descented with a corn enzymes based product. Fabreeze or a generic version.
" we're not fighting back, we're just not buying any of their crap lol" - You
"In other words, you are a White supremacist!" - Leftard
@@diablomozart voting with your dollar is the only way.
Even I defend Alice In Chains banning all activists and journalists from entering their concerts and conventions. Only fans are allowed.
bro how cool was it that they wrote Them Bones in 7?
@@colonelblars9126 LOL I just counted it out in my head, I never realized that.
@@colonelblars9126i think that song was featured in the English dub of Street Fighter II the animated movie
@@colonelblars9126 Not related to you.
Good riddance - I am a 50 year old tabletop gamer who was first introduced to the hobby by original D&D. Thank God I still have a good set of gaming friends to roll dice with - we are old school and we love it! I used to be against gatekeeping but now I am all for it.
im 8 years your jr and i was the same now you must gatekeep your stuff
52 here. Started in 1984. All my old crew have moved on (or up). We remanence on occasion, but the heart just isn't there any more.
Im 45 and i got to meet Mr Gygax in the early 90s, iirc. Was one of the last times he attended GenCon, just as The Cardies were beginning to invade.
That year it was briefcases, taped up glasses and pocket protectors. Just two years later it was a miasma of BO, greasy hair, duffel bags full of binders and people playing MtG on the bathroom floor next to the urinals.
I was there the year the Chainmail Bikini Girl was told by security that she would have to take off the bikini because it was too revealing, and she did, right there in the main room! 😅 Make foolish requests, get wrecked!
Better days.
Now I'm the Forever DM to my brother and a bunch of 20-30 somethings. Havent been to a convention in over a decade and dont plan to. My current crop of players have no room in their hearts for anything Woke.
There's still hope.
I can hear those activists flailing their arms and cheeks while screeching like a banshee of being fired.
Kinda give you a warm fuzzy, life's good feeling doesn't it.
her use of her "disability" as a shield is pathetic, plenty of us are disabled and cant get hired to do basic jobs let alone big ones like that, she aint disabled, she is untrained and unqualified for most jobs. she just mad her power has been removed...
Our ancestors hunted and killed animals to survive. Some people today can't get out of bed without checking how to eat breakfast in a DEI acceptable way.
_Nature is healing._
_Culture_ is healing.
This culture was built on Christianity. It cannot be healed without Christ. Band aids fall off after a little while.
Hawkeye: Don't give me hope.
I got to see the backs of the diversity team where i work for the final time one week ago. And its incredible to see the relaxed nature and calm atmosphere return to the workplace after 8 years. Its actually mind blowing how quickly things have gone back to normal.
It just shows how weak their ideology is. It took a year of musk owning twitter for everything to start going back to normal because can now voice their opinion on it. these people need censorship to survive and thats why they are freaking out trying to take free speech away in America because the tide is turning.
Are they still in HR?
I wanted purple hair until they made Kool aid colored hair a signal.
@eastlynburkholder3559 Use to have dyed hair pre 2009 but when all this woke BS started I quickly noticed they all had rainbow colored hair... Haven't dyed my hair since for fear of being confused for one of them.
Take names, these people will not just fade away or give up.
She says the most heinous thing and doesn't understand why she got canned...? Nuh uh. Bye bye
👋😄
The salt must flow! 😭
The Salt Melange
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
I stopped following it after Matt Antifantastic assaulted Jeremy from The Quartering and then GenCon banned Jeremy instead of Matt.
Good. The Cuckering has no place in any public gathering.
@@Marinealver I don't understand how people can't just... Not care?
"Oh dear, you said something i disagree with, i need to assault you"
Many of them aren't new fans. They were ppl who actually hated it and want it 2 be destroyed.
One thing I'm noticing is that when people take stands against loud mouths who pretend to ve activist, the first thing the loud mouth does is threaten to 'expose' things, which shows you they never went in with good intentions OR even cared about 'problematic issues' as someone who DID would have addressed the issues long ago for the benefit of others. The panel only cared about 'issues' when their jobs were on the line. So yeah, they deserve to be let go due to being not just grifters but coniving harpies who have been using the con to present their politics no one wants while acting uppity about it.
Why the heck would you agree to book ANYONE who has no works or interest in sci-fi and their only claim to fame is another garbage book on current day feminism? Con goers don't come for that crap and it's idiocitic. And who the hell cares if a con is 'comfortable with Whiteness'. All that means is that the harpies hated that White dudes didn't pay attention to them and were having fun. I'm sick of these weirdos making up buzzterms against people who just want to enjoy themselves and their lives.
Wow gencon gets rid of everyone and the people who made it and suddenly removing activists they dont have anyone left-
I was going to say that. You need to sack the entire staff, because they all participated in it.
“Some Gaymers are more equal than other gamers “
“Welcome all Gaymers” was the biggest banner in the convention center lobby the year quartering got suckerpunced. It just got weird.
It was the year GenCon built a Tower of Babel
My friends and I went to Gencon every year during the 90s and a bit into the 00s. It was crowded AF. But, it was incredibly friendly and welcoming. Everyone greeted you with a smile and simply wanted to know what games, comics, authors, etc. you were into so they could share stories with you about common interests. I considered going back in 2019 for old times sake. I was warned off by a friend who had moved to Michigan (lower State) and was therefore a lot closer and could keep going every year. He told me he stopped going by 2018. "The atmosphere has changed and its bad. If someone asks you about your interests now, and you say the wrong thing, in other words, you 'trigger' them in some way, you instantly become persona non grata. I tell you, buddy, it feels like walking on a minefield now. People are not smiling nearly as much as when we all went there 20+ years ago. There's a whole 'cover-your-six' feeling instead." He goes to other cons now. I was disappointed to hear this. I have fond memories of Gencon. I'm sure people are still having fun there. If the weren't, they would have long since collapsed. But I guess a lot of people feel that a haven for geek culture has been bent to the darkness of grift guised as 'inclusion' and pushed by bullying, narcissistic hypocrites. I am also guessing that, now that money is on the line, Gencon is finally being forced to choose between activism and being able to continue. Terrible way to learn something that should have been obvious the moment these harpies started screeching but, better late than never I suppose.
They want actual writers on the panel instead of diversity checkbox activists? What a crazy idea!
I'll be honest.. It was those Lefty that made me stop writing my own novel over on Deviant Art. My Art and story was trashed to the point that I had enough and just quit. I quit drawing and I quit writing. I deleted so much of my stuff from DA.
But I am glad their are people in the Con's finally saying. "Enough." and fighting back.
What the story is about that make them so mad?
find another platform keep going never let bullies win
I'm curious about your story.
Those in the TTRPG community thought the activists just wanted to play, and after a lifetime of being bullied and ostracized because of what they loved the role players were happy to share their beloved hobby never imagining that they’d only succeeded in trading one kind of bully for a much more insidious and manipulative kind of bully that kept you from fighting back by claiming they were the victims.
Gamers aren’t the most socially adept lot (most of us aren’t) so it makes sense that they didn’t catch on and figure out a counter right away but it was always going to happen. The other areas of pop culture are only fighting back sooner because they had the lesson of ttrpg and things like video games are harder to hold on to once you start damaging them.
The activists have damaged the brands too badly that I don’t think they can come back.
Too little, too late. And this goes for all these conventions hiring/pandering to Twitter activists.
Not just conventions.
Good to see Gen Con show a little backbone on this situation. Kudos to them. Sanity is coming back and a few people are gonna be in a world of hurt when it gets here.
The quartering incident was a lot more serious than you described in terms of the actual attack. Then there was the removal of guest of honor Larry Correia from Origins. And, a lot of authors wrote off that Gen Con Symposium when it first went far-left DEI BEFORE COVID.
Origins has a whiteness reputation? Not in the last decade. It's been DEI central for years.
Nature is healing
Something that needs to be pointed out: The more creative control a community has over their own expierience, the less reason for vocal backlash exists. And with the TTRPG community - we have game rules that work just as fine today, as a decade ago, and for a lot of established players - we aren't necessarily paying attention to what is CURRENTLY happening, we are familiar with the rule sets of games that we use, GM's may very well have a pile of rule sets they have never actual ran - because they have idea's they like.
With TTRPG's in particular - roughly 1/5th of the table at the least is going to be a big creator of some nature, and in my expierience it tends to be about half are in some way shape or form really bloody creative types that just love to invest into an idea. To that group, it doesn't matter what WotC is doing, or Paizo for the most part: We have the core rules and often times, that is years and years of play not needing anything else.
I think in the end, this is why the D&D community only really started getting extremely loud and mad at WotC when they threatened the OGL 1.0a license: The entire community is functionally live, and let live. TTRPG's are an incrediblle place to explore all kinds of non-sense, strive to understand being someone else entirely and so it is a traditionally far more open place to be. The Irony is, my expierience with the community at large is you get a lot of eye rolling at the activism for the simple fact that their ARE differences, and that's ok - don't desparage someone for being different, just accept that... maybe they are; now - what were we doing? Were we here to have a good time, and tell stories - or were we here to talk politics?
The mistake of GenCon is likely they saw the pandemic as a slow down, not realizing that the slow down was paired in an exaustion. And this is something I think a lot of companies didn't get: Covid, and all that transpired acted as a shield to the growing activism in various places; unfortunately - shields break, and they get discarded, and when that takes place there is only what is left behind that shield to stand; and what is left once you take the shield away from the corpo activism is an unwanted leach: And we are seeing it be rejected. People can go out, people can talk, people are re-discovering old media from games, to movies, to music and... It's good: The message is hope, endurance, and perseverience; The message of old media is one of looking forward towards something better - something worth fighting for. And as people discover this - it is contrasted to the new; and when that happens: The new doesn't stand to scrutiny.
This activist isn’t handling rejection very well. Her obsession with wanting to talk to the guy in charge, in private, just screams, “I’m going to use threats and blackmail to try and get my way when no one else is listening.”
Sometimes, "You did a good job" is "we don't want to deal with you any more, but we also aren't so petty that we're seeking to sully your reputation, and we'd like to part amicably." Sometimes, "You did a good job" is "We're going to say as little as possible, and what we say is going to be tepid and benign, because we know we'll see anything else we say skewed wildly out of context on social media, because we suspect _you_ are as petty as @#$%." In either case, demanding further reply ("open" yet "private"?!) and going on about their expectation that they would reign in perpetuity regardless of their performance suggests, at the very least, a willful ignorance of how their actions reflect on their image. Or as Gen Con might say, "Charisma is their dump stat".
She should speak on inclusion and diversity, she should form her own committee and events to hold such discussions and let these people have their own fun
I remember when I got a lecture on the GM's opinions about politics at a con eight years ago, all extreme left. First time I heard the word "woke". That is when I starting trying to hold the gate with TTRPGs, and getting called a bully by the people who now weep that they aren't fascists and racists and are eager for every con game to be a struggle session. Screw 'em. If you can't game with people who are to the right of Hillary and not have a hysterical melt down, get bent. People like that ruined my life, personally and professionally. And I wouldn't give a one of them CPR. Or their evengelical counterparts. Tired of being the "better man" and getting stomped on in the process.
Dude I went to a comicon that has a Felisha Day panel, and she spent a solid 15 minutes talking about inclusivity and diversity. It was mind numbing.
Listening to these toxic bullies whine when they get booted puts a big old grin on my face. 😁
Its almost like when you realize all their power comes from you giving a sh** you can take that power away by not caring.
All identity, all the time, in all the spaces, they fling their slime.
Theoretically, each generation is supposed to rebel against the last.
Fingers crossed that that's still a thing.
Oh trust me -- my 4 young adult Gen Z kids have ZERO tolerance for the vv0k3 bullshit. I have faith that Gen Z and Gen Alpha will right the ship.
Each generation always view themselves as both smarter than the last generation and wiser than the next generation.
I've noticed zoomers cry about gen alpha being "problematic" because gen alpha doesn't like their woke slop. So it most likely will happen.
Not really. The whole ‘teenage/generational rebellion’ only came into being during the 1960’s. It’s manufactured by and large
@@Bronasaxon - I can't say for sure, but I don't believe that's accurate. I've read journals of others who've spoken about their elders and their fuddy-duddy ways. I think younger people have always had angst against their elders. At least in the 16th and 17th century diaries I've read through.
I genuinely, honestly trying to keep an open mind and not judge people by their appearance... and yet most of the time when these pro-DEI social activists come up and a photo is attached, I can't help but think, "yep, looks exactly how I imagined".
Oh it helps
Physiognomy is real. 99% of the time is spot on.
its pattern recognition.
"They are either dead weight or activists."
Same thing.
A friend of mine (not anymore) took over the care of a MENSA chapter's newsletter and decided it was now hers to do whatever she wanted to... which meant she unapologetically made all of the articles about wokeness and inclusion... that aren't even real inclusion.
I miss the 70's-90's. I was the black kid in the gamer group. Nobody cared. We all enjoyed D&D, or Atari, or computer games, etc. Our sisters, girlfriends, and later wives were cool with it all and would even join us. You could have friends over and it wasn't passively watching sports, but participating as a group. Like I said, no one cared. We had fun. Now the activists have shown up and we all must do as we're told and conform to their vision of utopia.
@fakshen1973 crazy your ok with being "the black kid"....why can you just be 1 of the kids 🤣
@@benbaggen2375 Well if you were older than a booger smeared on a bed-post, you'd understand that things were a bit different 50 years ago and not so integrated. But with mutual interests in gaming etc, a lot of walls came down that our parents were still lurking behind. Why can't you learn some history?
@fakshen1973 easy uncle tom..if you want to accept racism to be part of the group that's on you. The only difference between then and now is the year.
@@benbaggen2375because thats not how it was.
I remember discovering that Mike Pondsmith was black in about '94, i think. Even then, that was a surprise for younger me when i met him at GenCon. Changed my life.
The realities of today are not the realities of the past, cupcake.
@@benbaggen2375 Same reason that for a group of my black friends I was "the white kid." It makes it easier for other people to figure out who you're talking about. I was, and still am, "the white kid." But a question for you; why do you think being "the black kid" is NOT okay? Is it wrong to say that a black guy is black?
People go to these things for fun and the obsessed weirdos ruined that for years. Now they are angry people are saying enough is enough?
More and more the world is turning to normal.
Slowly but yeah
Will only agree to that when cost of living is back to reasonable and jobs arnt being lost by thousands .
Not even close.
We have a long way to go
A step in the right direction, but don't let up we have MILES to go.
Gen Con needs to be studied and fast. The only company to ever have balls in this era. Follow them
I used to work for BUSHIROAD and used to love going to GENCON. I heard it sucks now so I guess I’m not missing much😂
not only did they book crappy guests, but they were supposed to get four guests and only found two, and they spent the money that would have gone to two more guests on BS graft.
They're realizing that woke media doesn't sell😂
Took entirely too long.
@@carlflaherty2215 probably the investors are starting to ask for the returns on their investments.
Who would have thought, huh? Going to a convention and trying to run it gets you disinvited? Nnoo.
The vast majority of us out here are fed up with their BS. It's not about liberal or conservative, because I am neither and have friends and family who are both and we are ALL fed the hell up with activist BS. We just want to play our games, watch, read, or listen to our entertainment, and be left the hell alone. People like Bell need to go back to their little self-reinforcing echo chamber bubble and wallow in self-pity about how they are the victim and leave our hobbies the hell alone. We're done with their crap.
Let them have a writer on the stage for every 10k event tickets they sell - since the modern audience never shows up when they have to put their hand in their pockets, only when they're getting bailed out or funded by those they love to attack but the activists seem to think they're the ones who can read the room.
Dead weight and activist is a bit redundant. Anyone who has to use pronouns in any communication should be considered suspect and not given a response unless absolutely necessary. I have been to many Gencons and Origins years ago and you know what the main thing people did? They played games and not worried about real world problems.
Honestly I'm glad that people are being held accountable. Table Top is a more personalized thing. No one can control what is played at someone's table. There is homebrew everywhere. There are dms who have been dming for years before this. They will continue to do so. No one has to give them money. And it's becoming increasingly difficult to make enough money. That will cover all the expenses. Good on the organizers for realizing the reality.
Sanderson - better than King in every way regarding his writing, and also not an utter and complete jackass.
@@darthlaurel he seems like a decent guy - I’ve heard him on podcasts - but I’ve never been able to work out what people like about his writing. Obviously lots of people do, but…
@@stevetaylor5290 a large part of it is that he actually *finishes* his stories.
EDIT - Also, while they may have some weird magic systems, they're generally *entertaining*. Which is what I (at least) read fantasy for.
GENCON is seeing their margins shrink. That is the ONLY reason they are shifting their stance.
She souns like that manager at every walmart that everyone put fake smiles at but is hated by both coworkers and clients.anyone that has worked at a Walmart has met one 😂
These people are so entitled to other companies/peoples time and things. They never think that they should have something of value to offer in return. So great writers get to go to the symposium as they have proven worthy of being asked. These activitists earn nothing yet expect everything.
About time. I stopped going because the woke activism was over the top. That is Gencon themselves were unbearable.
@@oldplace2844 I live less than 30min away from the convention center and went to GenCon for years. But once I heard they were having "POC" only rest areas or some stupid shit, I haven't been back. I'd love to go again, but I can't support people like this.
They kick out activist ? What a good news !
To be accurate, activist equals "deadweight". If your ideology takes precedence over the mission of the business, you need to go.
Yeah. Table top is infected top to bottom.
I'm glad they scrapped the symposium committee. Should have gatekept harder before this point. I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Until we can get back to normalcy I only want to see straight white christian men in media. That's all I want to see. I'm a gay black man. I wish we could have the great nuanced experiences we had 10-20 years ago, but we can't right now. That's the fault of these activist. So until we HEAL our culture all I want to see is straight white men taking center stage.
Very interesting perspective. Probably also accurate, tbh. We were too easily convinced of what those snake oil salespeople were selling.
It is hilarious how they think they can insult their way into acceptance.
Shame that these brands have been damaged forever.
I'm moving to sell off my Magic cards; I haven't gotten anything new in over a decade, all these ones from 12-15 are left over from my brother. I don't believe i even ever looked at them in the 7 years since i moved into this house.
I'll never buy any more magic cards.
same here for my warhammer 40k stuff its really starting to go down hill im only gonna keep the stuff me and my dad built
They should have had the two activist speakers followed by keynote speaker HeelvsBabyface:
“There’s nothing I love more, when I’m trying to immerse myself in a world, that you *FOOKING CURRENT-DAY US!!!”*
Gatekeepers are doing their jobs correctly.
Gatekeepers - You are not allowed in.
Activists - you're all istaphobes!
Gatekeepers - Thank you.
They rolled in too quick for anyone to do anything about it, now (surprisingly after the "industry" found that they can't make any money) the find themselves out of a job...
Who ever said Crime doesn't Pay? Get Woke, Go Broke!
GenCon is a business. It gave ED Bell and her chums the funds to book 4 writers. Instead they booked only 2 writers and spent the rest on other stuff. I'm not surprised that GenCon is annoyed.
Being lectured about morality by people thirty years my junior will surely change my own morality.
Woke has been mortally wounded. Even the return of Anita will not save them.
Any company or whatever stupid enough to hire her just deserves ALL the fallout and toxicity that comes there way. More and more people are getting sick of the nonsense and NOW is NOT the time to be getting involved with the grifting canker. Certainly as many see Anita specifically as pretty much the source of all this nonsense in games.
Don’t jinx it
Anita's had her 15. What she does for the rest of her life is entirely irrelevant.
@@PsychicWars she keeps grifting and stealing peoples money
I hope you’re right, but don’t believe it enough. So I prepare for the next 5+ years being the time of the hyper aggressive woke, doubling down and destroying even more than ever before.
It started with the Hugo awards for SF writing. They then moved on to comics and RPGs.
removing anything gygax should have been a clue that something was wrong. get this filth out of our entertainment and quit giving them chances. it's obvious they aren't there to game.
A great example of this is the white wolf games and onyx path that came in and litterally used those exact methods to try and destroy the system lore of the games that they custodian because they claimed that they where problematic.
I'm old enough to remember when Origins and Gen Con were practically invisible to anyone but the nerd/geek gamers lingering at the edges of respectable society. There were no activists, just oddballs and outcasts looking for a place where they were not merely tolerated, but welcomed, even celebrated.
These days, everyone who sees themselves as some variety of outcast (even if they hold all the power) has become a militant, not so much seeking community as demanding the system adapt to their particular doctrines. I suppose this was the inevitable result of the mainstreaming of TTRPGs, as a niche hobby became not merely acceptable, but somehow cool or chic.
Anyway, it is good to see some push back, even if it is only for mainly financial reasons. It's high time we took our hobbies back.
The fundamental difference is this: Tabletop RPGs offer a world of essentially limitless imagination. On the other hand, videogames are as close to a pure meritocracy as you can get. Which one do you think appeals more to the gender-confused and identity obsessed?
It is like these people have never actually read science fiction. The real themes of DEI (lack of opportunity and systemic discrimination) which do exist have been addressed by science fiction writers all the way back to the golden age. Strong female characters - check. Strong disabled characters - check. Strong characters of color - check.
...and nothing of value has been lost.
Newer "fans"? Bold of you to assume they were fans in the first place. These folks seem like they want control, and nothing else. Fans at least want to be understanding of others, even if they don't agree with them. I no longer go to events, because of these types.
The wallets stay closed. The Cons conned themselves.