Fortunately you quickly snap back into your ego again, and can get back to being preoccupied by the fun and games. Except now you can add the "ooh, I want to experience that again" to your list of games.
@@gedfi Not always! I was able to repeat the experience 30 minutes a day, for three weeks before it faded. And I also took a couple of walks in the non-dual state, during that time. Some people don’t come back from it. There’s a whole bunch of people talking about living their non-dual lives on the Web. The question is, should we equate non-dualism with enlightenment, or is it just a stage along the way, or should we shift back and forth between the two (as one)? Here’s the best quote I have found to address this question: - Thomas Cleary (1983) "Entry Into the Inconceivable". p. 29. "What is here called true thusness of mind is associated with the noumenon, while so-called birth-and-death of mind is associated with phenomena. True thusness of mind means holistic awareness which does not cling to specific appearances but merely perceives the flux of being as simply "thus." Birth-and-death of mind refers to the awareness grasping particulars-thus in effect being born and dying along with the passing of transient phenomena, being born and dying with each thought, each mental construct, each psychological state or phase of personality. The two are said to interpenetrate because discriminating awareness cannot exist without the whole basic awareness underlying it. The sense of effacement and non-reliance is that noumenon and phenomena are interdependent and have no absolute existence; seeing in this way, one ultimately clings neither to the perspective of noumenon nor to that of phenomena. This point is parallel to the teaching of the Chan master Pai-chang Huai-hai [Huaihai], who spoke of using the so-called mirror awareness, corresponding to the "true thusness of mind," to avoid being affected by the feelings of the fluctuating mind, but he pointed out that abiding permanently in the mirror awareness is not right. …"
My favorite glimpse at the nature of what the state of enlightenment means for someone is highlighted in the Hyakujo's Fox koan. The monk-turned-fox was asked "Does a man of enlightenment fall under the yoke of causation or not?". He answered no and was punished with five hundred rebirths as a fox. He asks Hyakujo for help who corrected him by saying "He does not ignore causation". So the answer wasn't yes but it wasn't a simple no either. It was "No, but he doesn't ignore causation". An enlightened being is free from the triple world of anger, greed, and delusion. They are free from the weight of cause and effect, but they don't ignore cause and effect. The experience sheds light on how the contradiction there (how you are free from cause and effect but still in it) isn't a contradiction. It changes the batteries in your Hakuna Matata from dollar store AAs to lifetime fusion batteries.
If you've experienced the nondualistic nature of reality, the self, and consciousness, you know it. You know it with as much clarity as anything can be known. Checking the right boxes to fit other people's ideas of what an enlightened person is like is another matter altogether.
Thanks for this little talk. Food for thought, and not just about the exact topic of discussion. Try garlic with you dog (just a little in one small spot at first, in case there's an allergy).
In response to the question: "Why do you tour so much?" Stand up comic Jimmy Carr said: "I think when you know who you are, it's important to be where your feet are standing.'' 😉 That hit me. 🙃
There's a statement I read from a Steve Hagen book.. "Enlightenment is nothing more than realizing delusion." Sounds similar to Dogen's "Buddhas are enlightened about delusion, ordinary beings are deluded about enlightenment".
Your experience with LSD tallies with my own, which is why I decided that experience wasn't enlightenment. No matter how far out we get, we always end up back here, so here must be the place.
Recently, I had an in-depth conversation of how do we know that we finally get it - the it. It’s not enlightenment experiences. How do treat people, yourself, animals, etc.? If we look at what the aim of what much of this practice is, the aim of our practice lay within the teaching, ie Precepts, etc. For instance, am I able to recognize poor ethics and behavior in myself, adopt the necessary changes, put them into action, and sustain that effort over time. There is no denying experiences just like there is no denying our actions and behavior. The latter is the key not our kensho or sartori experiences.
One thing I like about your suggested approach is that one could apply it in to different religions to see how well a person followed the "precepts" of their own religion. It would also be interesting to compare different religions purely in terms of their "precepts".
Have heard of the TH-camrs Frank Yang and the channel simply always awake. I would love to see you talk to these two it would make a good conversation on spiritually
I tend to think that as long as you live in this world as a functional part of the world, these experience will only come in glimpse. It's about what you do from these glimpse. Also the one true glimpse is ABSOLUTE, Still, timelessly eternal. Well that's pretty but we are here. And my best guess is "IT" wanted to experience multiplicity and here we are.
If you read Brad's books, he briefly brushes over this a lot, which Buddhist philosophy also brushes over a lot (The Diamond Sutra is a notable example). You are both enlightened and the entire universe, and everything you do affects everyone else, whether you realize it or not. Just like how someone on the other side of the world is probably reading the news paper right now, whether you realize it or not. The universe, your own body, even your own mind, does not ask for your permission to be as they are. Right now you are enlightened, and also digesting food, and also your body is killing off a few cancer cells, where they are, nobody knows. You don't realize any of this.
Dog rash, garbage in garbage out. I'm a raw diet feeder and it helps my dogs with a lot. At the least avoid any food with wheat / grains / corn fillers as they can cause skin issues with dogs.
In response to the dude's comments about you commenting on depression/anit-depressants: What people don't understand about psychology is that their definitions/diagnosis/treatment of depression (and other "disorders') are NOT based on physical abnormalities--i.e., it is not a medical matter. The "chemical imbalance" hypothesis has been debunked countless times. Anyone's concept of the mind is just as good as psychology's concept of the mind. No one is a "medical expert" or "trained professional'" when it comes to matters of the mind (We don't even know where the mind is!--or if it's a thing or fact in the first place).
Yes, exactly. You’ve basically posted what I was gonna write, but then I changed my mind and didn’t post anything. I would also ad that the “chemical imbalance” idea is not only just ridiculous pharmaceutical ad copy, it’s also a perfect example of reductive materialism that suggests humans are nothing but meat machines in a random universe. This is clearly nonsense that has also been debunked.
The DSM has slowly been evolving towards a symptom>medication treatment similar to body medicine by rejecting actual science and actual treatment almost since it's inception. This allows them to sell more copies, like a new edition of D&D every 15 years like clockwork. Every doctor, therapist, and lawyer has to buy a new copy. If the ADA was actually in the business of helping people the focus would be on treatment plans.
@@pajamawilliams9847 yyyyup. And people treat psychology like some golden calf without really realizing it. Which engenders this sense of “I can’t do anything about my depression without drugs/therapy.”
great video, you cant know if you are enlightened because your not reflecting on your subjective experience as much as you usually would in order to care or even have a reference frame. IDK it is like asking if you finally fell asleep when asleep
It's possible people turned the bhudda into a guru, and we are hearing about him from a tradition of people who pedistalized him, the vulnerable people that most likely followed him.
I like the translation "awakening" more. It's not like you change into "an enlightened being". There is really no change. Everything is as it is. You just momentarily woke up to the reality of everything is just as it is.
If Roshi was, let’s say, still with us, would you still study under him? Is there a thing in Soto where it’s stigmatized to be a master who has a master? How do you check yourself? I guess I’m curious how someone in your position deals with the things you don’t make videos about
If you don't notice it, how come then the Buddha talks about Nirvana, how come Buddhists talk about enlightenment, how come you talk about it ? Why do zen people have to talk in complicated ways ?
dog might be allergic...have you changed his food lately? In rem: Enlightenment: I don't know...I've heard from authoritative sources that "if you have to ask, then, no, you haven't seen..."
It's so strange to me when people tell you what you should or should not talk about for any reason. It's your channel, it's your platform, talk about your favorite kaiju for a month for all it matters (please actually do that lol). Anyway. It's so cool of you to respond to people's questions with substance like this. It's one of the reasons I'm a patreon because your experiences and responses can be very helpful to people! Thanks again for not being a butthole 🤭🤘🏽
Everything Alien is Special to the Aliens. Our Experience right now isn't Alien to us thus we don't regard it as Special, An Alien's Experience in the Moment isn't Alien to them, so they don't regard it as Special. Both the Aliens Visit us and we want to see the Aliens for the "Specialness" of each other's moments. Enlightenment is seeing the Specialness in your Moment right here and now. At least that's what I've taken from this.
If you're asking that question, then.... No. You're not enlightened. Basically, if you're still here, you're either a Bodhisattva or a normie. If you were enlightened, you could recall all your past lives....
I read that the weird "banana flavor" of some types of candy is based on a type of banana that went extinct around 1960. Bananas literally tasted different back then!
@@HardcoreZen I remember those. They were (or still are?) shaped like little bananas about an inch and a half long. They tasted 'chemically', not remotely like real ones...but I still ate them, haha
Ziggy is more enlightened. I only need to sit. With sheep. Cows. Blue Jays. AND. With all the enlightened ziggies of the world. Ever figured out the KOAN. " Why is it that only humans are not enlightened ?". !!!!!!!!!!! Read the zen book in the eyes of the enlightened ones. The apes. The naked mole rats. The ZIGGIED. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
"It's all fun and games until someone loses an I."
I got this from Shinzen Young, but I don't think he originated it.
Fortunately you quickly snap back into your ego again, and can get back to being preoccupied by the fun and games. Except now you can add the "ooh, I want to experience that again" to your list of games.
@@gedfi Not always! I was able to repeat the experience 30 minutes a day, for three weeks before it faded. And I also took a couple of walks in the non-dual state, during that time.
Some people don’t come back from it. There’s a whole bunch of people talking about living their non-dual lives on the Web.
The question is, should we equate non-dualism with enlightenment, or is it just a stage along the way, or should we shift back and forth between the two (as one)?
Here’s the best quote I have found to address this question:
- Thomas Cleary (1983) "Entry Into the Inconceivable". p. 29.
"What is here called true thusness of mind is associated with the noumenon, while so-called birth-and-death of mind is associated with phenomena. True thusness of mind means holistic awareness which does not cling to specific appearances but merely perceives the flux of being as simply "thus." Birth-and-death of mind refers to the awareness grasping particulars-thus in effect being born and dying along with the passing of transient phenomena, being born and dying with each thought, each mental construct, each psychological state or phase of personality. The two are said to interpenetrate because discriminating awareness cannot exist without the whole basic awareness underlying it. The sense of effacement and non-reliance is that noumenon and phenomena are interdependent and have no absolute existence; seeing in this way, one ultimately clings neither to the perspective of noumenon nor to that of phenomena. This point is parallel to the teaching of the Chan master Pai-chang Huai-hai [Huaihai], who spoke of using the so-called mirror awareness, corresponding to the "true thusness of mind," to avoid being affected by the feelings of the fluctuating mind, but he pointed out that abiding permanently in the mirror awareness is not right. …"
One of my favorite sayings is “before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water”
30 years on and this is the best explanation of enlightenment I've heard. Thank you.
Sansuigyo is some of Dogen’s best work (imo) Great stuff in there.
My favorite glimpse at the nature of what the state of enlightenment means for someone is highlighted in the Hyakujo's Fox koan.
The monk-turned-fox was asked "Does a man of enlightenment fall under the yoke of causation or not?". He answered no and was punished with five hundred rebirths as a fox. He asks Hyakujo for help who corrected him by saying "He does not ignore causation".
So the answer wasn't yes but it wasn't a simple no either. It was "No, but he doesn't ignore causation". An enlightened being is free from the triple world of anger, greed, and delusion. They are free from the weight of cause and effect, but they don't ignore cause and effect. The experience sheds light on how the contradiction there (how you are free from cause and effect but still in it) isn't a contradiction.
It changes the batteries in your Hakuna Matata from dollar store AAs to lifetime fusion batteries.
If you've experienced the nondualistic nature of reality, the self, and consciousness, you know it. You know it with as much clarity as anything can be known. Checking the right boxes to fit other people's ideas of what an enlightened person is like is another matter altogether.
Thanks Brad :) this was a helpful video
Yard looks good
Thanks for this little talk. Food for thought, and not just about the exact topic of discussion. Try garlic with you dog (just a little in one small spot at first, in case there's an allergy).
In response to the question: "Why do you tour so much?" Stand up comic Jimmy Carr said: "I think when you know who you are, it's important to be where your feet are standing.'' 😉
That hit me. 🙃
Perfect.
Great video Brad.
There's a statement I read from a Steve Hagen book.. "Enlightenment is nothing more than realizing delusion." Sounds similar to Dogen's "Buddhas are enlightened about delusion, ordinary beings are deluded about enlightenment".
nice talk, I like, especially the last part, such a trip
Your experience with LSD tallies with my own, which is why I decided that experience wasn't enlightenment. No matter how far out we get, we always end up back here, so here must be the place.
Great talk,back here is the enlightened state. Ordinary life is enlightment
do you have a link to the Supiraya (sp?) song you're referencing? "what is love"?
Recently, I had an in-depth conversation of how do we know that we finally get it - the it. It’s not enlightenment experiences. How do treat people, yourself, animals, etc.? If we look at what the aim of what much of this practice is, the aim of our practice lay within the teaching, ie Precepts, etc. For instance, am I able to recognize poor ethics and behavior in myself, adopt the necessary changes, put them into action, and sustain that effort over time.
There is no denying experiences just like there is no denying our actions and behavior. The latter is the key not our kensho or sartori experiences.
One thing I like about your suggested approach is that one could apply it in to different religions to see how well a person followed the "precepts" of their own religion.
It would also be interesting to compare different religions purely in terms of their "precepts".
Have heard of the TH-camrs Frank Yang and the channel simply always awake. I would love to see you talk to these two it would make a good conversation on spiritually
Thanks, Gassho.
I tend to think that as long as you live in this world as a functional part of the world, these experience will only come in glimpse. It's about what you do from these glimpse. Also the one true glimpse is ABSOLUTE, Still, timelessly eternal. Well that's pretty but we are here. And my best guess is "IT" wanted to experience multiplicity and here we are.
So one can be enlightened without realizing it 🤯
If you read Brad's books, he briefly brushes over this a lot, which Buddhist philosophy also brushes over a lot (The Diamond Sutra is a notable example). You are both enlightened and the entire universe, and everything you do affects everyone else, whether you realize it or not. Just like how someone on the other side of the world is probably reading the news paper right now, whether you realize it or not. The universe, your own body, even your own mind, does not ask for your permission to be as they are. Right now you are enlightened, and also digesting food, and also your body is killing off a few cancer cells, where they are, nobody knows. You don't realize any of this.
Careful how you grasp Brad-sensei's "Far-Out" Zen! It grasps back!
Scaremoles? How ingenious!
Coconut oil?
Dog rash, garbage in garbage out. I'm a raw diet feeder and it helps my dogs with a lot. At the least avoid any food with wheat / grains / corn fillers as they can cause skin issues with dogs.
In response to the dude's comments about you commenting on depression/anit-depressants: What people don't understand about psychology is that their definitions/diagnosis/treatment of depression (and other "disorders') are NOT based on physical abnormalities--i.e., it is not a medical matter. The "chemical imbalance" hypothesis has been debunked countless times. Anyone's concept of the mind is just as good as psychology's concept of the mind. No one is a "medical expert" or "trained professional'" when it comes to matters of the mind (We don't even know where the mind is!--or if it's a thing or fact in the first place).
Yes, exactly. You’ve basically posted what I was gonna write, but then I changed my mind and didn’t post anything.
I would also ad that the “chemical imbalance” idea is not only just ridiculous pharmaceutical ad copy, it’s also a perfect example of reductive materialism that suggests humans are nothing but meat machines in a random universe. This is clearly nonsense that has also been debunked.
The DSM has slowly been evolving towards a symptom>medication treatment similar to body medicine by rejecting actual science and actual treatment almost since it's inception. This allows them to sell more copies, like a new edition of D&D every 15 years like clockwork. Every doctor, therapist, and lawyer has to buy a new copy. If the ADA was actually in the business of helping people the focus would be on treatment plans.
@@pajamawilliams9847 yyyyup. And people treat psychology like some golden calf without really realizing it. Which engenders this sense of “I can’t do anything about my depression without drugs/therapy.”
Kenshō doesn't put food in your stomach, or heal Ziggy's itchy rash.
great video, you cant know if you are enlightened because your not reflecting on your subjective experience as much as you usually would in order to care or even have a reference frame. IDK it is like asking if you finally fell asleep when asleep
It's possible people turned the bhudda into a guru, and we are hearing about him from a tradition of people who pedistalized him, the vulnerable people that most likely followed him.
the bottom-less well of misery
If you have to ask….
🙏🧘♀️
I like the translation "awakening" more. It's not like you change into "an enlightened being". There is really no change. Everything is as it is. You just momentarily woke up to the reality of everything is just as it is.
If Roshi was, let’s say, still with us, would you still study under him? Is there a thing in Soto where it’s stigmatized to be a master who has a master? How do you check yourself? I guess I’m curious how someone in your position deals with the things you don’t make videos about
If you don't notice it, how come then the Buddha talks about Nirvana, how come Buddhists talk about enlightenment, how come you talk about it ?
Why do zen people have to talk in complicated ways ?
dog might be allergic...have you changed his food lately? In rem: Enlightenment: I don't know...I've heard from authoritative sources that "if you have to ask, then, no, you haven't seen..."
in my imagination. the bathroom perfect and there was 4 robotic
It's so strange to me when people tell you what you should or should not talk about for any reason. It's your channel, it's your platform, talk about your favorite kaiju for a month for all it matters (please actually do that lol). Anyway. It's so cool of you to respond to people's questions with substance like this. It's one of the reasons I'm a patreon because your experiences and responses can be very helpful to people! Thanks again for not being a butthole 🤭🤘🏽
Even from the title, the word "Gotten" seems like a problem.
Everyone knows once you're enlightened you get an entourage and groupies. Do you have groupies? No? Not enlightened.
Synchronicity alert Peter Ralston just posted on this.
I read every day zen in jail and got enlightened AF 😂
Everything Alien is Special to the Aliens. Our Experience right now isn't Alien to us thus we don't regard it as Special, An Alien's Experience in the Moment isn't Alien to them, so they don't regard it as Special. Both the Aliens Visit us and we want to see the Aliens for the "Specialness" of each other's moments. Enlightenment is seeing the Specialness in your Moment right here and now.
At least that's what I've taken from this.
benydrl helps dog rashes :)
wait
If you're asking that question, then.... No. You're not enlightened. Basically, if you're still here, you're either a Bodhisattva or a normie. If you were enlightened, you could recall all your past lives....
but to be BACK here implies that you have to be elsewhere first, don't you? otherwise why do anything at all?
What does a banana taste like.......
What is the sound of one banana clapping?
Good point!
I read that the weird "banana flavor" of some types of candy is based on a type of banana that went extinct around 1960. Bananas literally tasted different back then!
@@HardcoreZen I remember those. They were (or still are?) shaped like little bananas about an inch and a half long. They tasted 'chemically', not remotely like real ones...but I still ate them, haha
@@jethrobradley7850Hahaha, yeah, after it's fallen down in the forest with no one there...
You unlock the blue eyes raquaza and god kisses you gently on the head
Ziggy is more enlightened. I only need to sit. With sheep. Cows. Blue Jays. AND. With all the enlightened ziggies of the world. Ever figured out the KOAN. " Why is it that only humans are not enlightened ?". !!!!!!!!!!! Read the zen book in the eyes of the enlightened ones. The apes. The naked mole rats. The ZIGGIED. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤