He's definitely not wrong. Getting the feel for certain beats and how to handle them comes with time and playing....usually with a band. It's funny that he mentions the shuffle specifically because it wasn't too long ago that I began to alter how I deal with certain songs that have a shuffle beat, and I've been playing drums almost all my life.
Trying to explain "how he hears music" and then how to translate what he hears to what he plays. You either have it or you don't. And Jeff just did. He was the best.
No tricks ... so true! But listening to the masters is one key. What are they doing, how are they grooving, what are they aming for. Learning from others and still searching for your own thing. Virtuosity is nice sometimes, but many virtuosity-drummers have a bad feel. So the truth is not connected with virtuosity.
So look many guys DON'T have it. At all. It's becoming more the norm.than the exception now. Flash. Flash. Flash. No groove at all. It's boring to listen to. I'm going to say it's a combination of being able to feel the song in your soul while you play it, AND still being yourself. Emulating other drummers is REALLY HARD. WAY harder than emulating singers when you are one (I am). I could still tell you it's Jeff just on feel and I didn't know the song. Or Bernard. Or Steve Smith. Phil Collins. Bonham, especially. It's imperative that you know all the major guys and their habits, as you can't possibly know every song. Bernard is extremely smooth with a light touch most of the time. Jeff is similar but with more rock and roll habits. Plus those unbelievable feet. Copeland is reggae/jazz and always sounds as if his feel is a mirror image of normal. I never could get him right. Danny Seraphine isn't playing as hard as you'd think at first. Steve Smith almost always plays 1/4s on HH. Rarely 8ths, and I don't think I've EVER heard him do 16ths in all 8 albums with Perry. Don Henley tends to play sings that have a very specific feel and fills you can't guess at. There's a fill and its variants that don't like stuff thrown into them. They don't like decoration. Hotel California. Dirty Laundry. So, the other part is still being yourself while emulating another player. You're the easy chair for the whole rest of the band. Although I let the bass player be the big flat screen tv. And if you're newer, you DON'T HAVE TO BE BUDDY RICH. Not necessary. I can name easily 500 songs that just need a solid player. They don't need any complex flash. Not every song needs a Peart. You can still play and will probably play more if you just do the simple solid thing well. He's right. Go play with ANYBODY. Save you years of woodshedding. They'll throw everything at you, too. So that pocket he's talking about, if you can know where it is and how to go get another if you guess wrong, that's gold. Even if you don't know the song.
... "I kept playing & playing it". Woodshed until it not only "sounds" good, but it "FEELS" good. You'll get out of it what you put into it. Now get off the internet & get back to the Woodshed!!
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That's the magic, feel, Jeff had it, full stop, if you want feel, just listen to Jeff and keep listening , God rest his soul
"Feel is just a feel thing.."
love it
He's definitely not wrong. Getting the feel for certain beats and how to handle them comes with time and playing....usually with a band. It's funny that he mentions the shuffle specifically because it wasn't too long ago that I began to alter how I deal with certain songs that have a shuffle beat, and I've been playing drums almost all my life.
You have it, or you don't. He had it.
Trying to explain "how he hears music" and then how to translate what he hears to what he plays. You either have it or you don't. And Jeff just did. He was the best.
No tricks ... so true! But listening to the masters is one key. What are they doing, how are they grooving, what are they aming for. Learning from others and still searching for your own thing. Virtuosity is nice sometimes, but many virtuosity-drummers have a bad feel. So the truth is not connected with virtuosity.
Exactly right .. you can not teach someone to have what you were naturally given at birth .. he was the best ever to do it... RIP
Chops are impressive, but feel will get you the gig (along with the ability to get along with folks! :)
no comments? well i aint shy...Porcaro & Feel? Boz Scaggs SILK DEGREES...stop there...conversation over.
Jeff Porcaro Groove I'm going for Lowdown, myself
So look many guys DON'T have it. At all. It's becoming more the norm.than the exception now.
Flash. Flash. Flash. No groove at all. It's boring to listen to.
I'm going to say it's a combination of being able to feel the song in your soul while you play it, AND still being yourself. Emulating other drummers is REALLY HARD. WAY harder than emulating singers when you are one (I am).
I could still tell you it's Jeff just on feel and I didn't know the song. Or Bernard. Or Steve Smith. Phil Collins. Bonham, especially.
It's imperative that you know all the major guys and their habits, as you can't possibly know every song. Bernard is extremely smooth with a light touch most of the time. Jeff is similar but with more rock and roll habits. Plus those unbelievable feet. Copeland is reggae/jazz and always sounds as if his feel is a mirror image of normal. I never could get him right. Danny Seraphine isn't playing as hard as you'd think at first. Steve Smith almost always plays 1/4s on HH. Rarely 8ths, and I don't think I've EVER heard him do 16ths in all 8 albums with Perry. Don Henley tends to play sings that have a very specific feel and fills you can't guess at. There's a fill and its variants that don't like stuff thrown into them. They don't like decoration. Hotel California. Dirty Laundry.
So, the other part is still being yourself while emulating another player. You're the easy chair for the whole rest of the band. Although I let the bass player be the big flat screen tv.
And if you're newer, you DON'T HAVE TO BE BUDDY RICH. Not necessary. I can name easily 500 songs that just need a solid player. They don't need any complex flash. Not every song needs a Peart. You can still play and will probably play more if you just do the simple solid thing well.
He's right. Go play with ANYBODY. Save you years of woodshedding. They'll throw everything at you, too. So that pocket he's talking about, if you can know where it is and how to go get another if you guess wrong, that's gold. Even if you don't know the song.
You couldn't have said it better, dude. Right on.
... "I kept playing & playing it". Woodshed until it not only "sounds" good, but it "FEELS" good.
You'll get out of it what you put into it. Now get off the internet & get back to the Woodshed!!
Dumb question! It's in your soul!