I guess i can see Kai taking it. Branch, even though im not a fan of his physique, did bring conditioning to another level. AND he does look good in some poses. BUT I think just over all id go with Kai..
Mike also died at a young age...i met him in person & he was so unhealthy at the time...he could barely breath & was sweating like a pig at an autograph signing...2 years later he died😢😢
I met Flex in person in 98 & he could barely breath at an autograph signing...now fast forward to today & he has had a leg amputated...these men take massive amounts of steroids & GH & are now suffering the consequences 😢😢😢
Victor Martinez if you go type that name in right now you will see a short and it will blow your mind. The fact that he didn’t win with a physique like that shows this stuff is rigged. I don’t care what anybody says about. Mr. Olympia potential winners
@@ryosaeba566 yep that is correct. I never seen nothing like it before. What can you say? He won from the back. So you can literally lose every single pose and then just turn around and like yeah one look at his back and even then he didn’t really win that since Victor was on point I just don’t understand any of these uncrown Mr. Olympia and people competing with them when you know that show right there was a pity of a robbery that’s why I would never get on drugs to be on Olympia stage. I’ll just do natural bodybuilding and try to make a supplement store and maybe a small gym in the area or something. I don’t know before I jump on some juice and get robbed like Victor got.
@@ryosaeba566 sorry I voice typed that. where is all these rich billionaires that got rich off of taxpayer money to fix this voice typing system. If we can send a rocket into space we can fix voice typing. I should have read it first before sending it
16:55 ive noticed with many big body builders that their arms are kinda small compared to the rest of them, its like their torso just grows way faster. The 90s backwards seemed to have much better proportions in this regard.
Problem is you're wrong when you say it's ALL about conditioning. It's about conditioning, size, balance/symmetry & aesthetics in no particular order. If it were ALL conditioning, Hadi would never have lost an O he competed in. I think it's laughable that you even have Branch in here man - a mess of body parts that just happened to be ultra conditioned. Kai, Flex & Levrone should be at the top of the list!
Thanks Joe Bo NANA, yes Gunter was shredded to the diced but Hard to beat Kai on shape. Branch? You dont like Branch? He did beat the best ever Dexter so he is pretty good
@@marxmaxmuscle1 His lower body is the best of the best, but his upper body I dont like... By the way in 2009 Dexter should be second 10.000% imo. And yes Kai was in a good shape, but for me Günter played in his own leque when it comes to shape combined with mass.
You seem to neglect aesthetic,it’s not all about conditioning and ripped glutes,for some reason bodybuilding is changing again in the late years and bubble guts aren’t more than an unpleasant memory.obviously the amount of muscle it’s one of the most important aspects of bodybuilding but to ignore physiques like Cormier,Levrone,Shawn among many others great names for Branch and Kay it’s at least debatable.its your opinion and it’s valid but it’s a vision from an angle I believe most of the viewers don’t identify
There is a guy named Erik Fankhouser who has amazing calves, many people never heard of him. Flex was great but he didn't have wide lats. Cormier was also great, ElSonbaty was huge , he needed better conditioning from the back, I also like Ruhl, Martinez , Kai
Shawn Ray holds that spot firmly.1990,1994,1996 Uncrowned MrOlympia, Best midsection ever, 12 years of consistency and he’s the 3rd best poser of all time
The rest is up for debate at #3. It could be Zane, Kevin, Kai, Melvin Anthony, Ruff Diesel, Cedric, Makaway, Flex, Paris, Benafatto, Dillet, Arnold or Shawn Ray other guys at #3.
it simply means I don't think he deserved to beat Jay in 09. Victor should have beat Jay in 07 so I consider him a mr Olympia but he is uncrowned. Get It?
As good as Kai was, he had some glaring weaknesses. Poor triceps, poor traps, waist became quite wide later in his career. His back lat spread was also lacking any details. He often came in quite poor condition also. 2012 was his best! I think Shawn Ray is the best to never win? His only weakness was structural, being quite narrow. Otherwise he was fully developed, and usually shredded to the bone!!
Shawn was small. Yes, every muscle was equally developed, but you could also argue they were all underdeveloped in general. He was dwarfed utterly by Coleman, Nasser, etc.
If you know, it’s the mass monster arrow you can’t get mad if he’s not winning the show, but Victor Martinez is by far a better candidate than the guy you said I’m telling everybody on the replies, just look it up they might have a short you can see his physique that year
Kevin F gp 97 vs branch 09 Kevin wins fdb, fls, side chest and triceps, both back poses, abs and thighs, crab mm, closed hands mm Branch wins hands on hip mm
7:13 Gunter beat Coleman that year to set up tension / excitement for that years Olympia. Naturally, when the Olympia came around, the placings made more sense (Coleman winning and Gunter coming in 10th or something like that). I'm a fan of Gunter, but at no point was Gunter better than Ronnie.
I think probably Kai size wise he's like Nasser but with a much better back, and Nasser regularly beat the other 90's greats oh Branch and Gunther are not beating that version of Kevin, no chance
I love u bro but I can t agree with the notion that the golden era can’t compete with the 90’s or whatever. Forget the size and extreme definition. Ask a bunch of ladies what they like, that’s all that matters in my book. No way they like too much mass or disgusting leanness. Who is trying to impress who, gender wise. Seriously. No one needs to be bigger than Steve Reeves. 😅
Gunter was better or as good anyway at the 02 Olympia, he should have won, 5th was a joke - I was there. Ronnie should have won the Europa as he had filled back up - they were trying to make up for their corruption and went to far
I guess i can see Kai taking it. Branch, even though im not a fan of his physique, did bring conditioning to another level. AND he does look good in some poses. BUT I think just over all id go with Kai..
"But Marx Max Muscleeee"
As far as the bodybuilder with great calves other than your last two, I was thinking of Mike Matarazzo.
not who i was thinking of but Mike had some BOOMERS. Eric Frankhouser i think his name was
Mike also died at a young age...i met him in person & he was so unhealthy at the time...he could barely breath & was sweating like a pig at an autograph signing...2 years later he died😢😢
Screw great calfs Victor Martinez should’ve won
@@marxmaxmuscle1FANKHAUSERRRR
@@marxmaxmuscle1 Dorian and Nasser had huge calves as well
I think the 93 Flex would be my pick for the best of these.
I met Flex in person in 98 & he could barely breath at an autograph signing...now fast forward to today & he has had a leg amputated...these men take massive amounts of steroids & GH & are now suffering the consequences 😢😢😢
Lot of synthol...
@@Martin-ou2pq in 93? I don’t think so. Certainly by 98 and 99, but 93 I think was just solid muscle 💪
Paul Dillett had some crazy calves
Paul had crazy everything
The back is what he lacked...
Lee priest and andreas müenzer
Victor Martinez if you go type that name in right now you will see a short and it will blow your mind. The fact that he didn’t win with a physique like that shows this stuff is rigged. I don’t care what anybody says about. Mr. Olympia potential winners
@shanmoore7838 know believe was the 2007 olympia was a bad robbery for viktor
@@ryosaeba566 yep that is correct. I never seen nothing like it before. What can you say? He won from the back. So you can literally lose every single pose and then just turn around and like yeah one look at his back and even then he didn’t really win that since Victor was on point I just don’t understand any of these uncrown Mr. Olympia and people competing with them when you know that show right there was a pity of a robbery that’s why I would never get on drugs to be on Olympia stage. I’ll just do natural bodybuilding and try to make a supplement store and maybe a small gym in the area or something. I don’t know before I jump on some juice and get robbed like Victor got.
@@ryosaeba566 sorry I voice typed that. where is all these rich billionaires that got rich off of taxpayer money to fix this voice typing system. If we can send a rocket into space we can fix voice typing. I should have read it first before sending it
@@shanmoore7838 nasser against dorian was the same
Imagine giving the Branch the W over all the 90s legends such as Flex, Kevin, Nasser or Shawn lmao
he is bigger and more conditioned. 90s guys are more aesthetic but bodybuilding is more than just aesthetics
I would mention William Bonac's 2017 Mr.O version
Thats criminal that Andreas Munzer was left off of this list. Dude was the definition of "shredded to the diced".
16:55 ive noticed with many big body builders that their arms are kinda small compared to the rest of them, its like their torso just grows way faster.
The 90s backwards seemed to have much better proportions in this regard.
A Sergio Olivia SR vs a Serge Nubret!!! Two of my favorites!
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I'll have to call the final comparison a tie. BTW, I think you should look into becoming a judge, you have Avery good eye. Well probably both eyes.
Mark you just gotta do some of these matchups as full length videos pleaseeee (assuming you haven’t done them before)
It would have to Mike mentzer getting a 300 perfect score at the Mr Universe I believe in Acapulco I watched that when I was a teenager
Mike also died young from his massive abuse of PEDs
Kevin Levrone (1995) vs Kai Greene (2012)
Problem is you're wrong when you say it's ALL about conditioning. It's about conditioning, size, balance/symmetry & aesthetics in no particular order. If it were ALL conditioning, Hadi would never have lost an O he competed in. I think it's laughable that you even have Branch in here man - a mess of body parts that just happened to be ultra conditioned. Kai, Flex & Levrone should be at the top of the list!
Kai and flex is prob the best 2
A very very great video!
But Marx how TF Branch at second? LOL bro...
For me Günter at 1 , Flex at 2 , Victor at 3 ..,
Branch not even on the list.
Thanks Joe Bo NANA, yes Gunter was shredded to the diced but Hard to beat Kai on shape. Branch? You dont like Branch? He did beat the best ever Dexter so he is pretty good
@@marxmaxmuscle1 His lower body is the best of the best, but his upper body I dont like... By the way in 2009 Dexter should be second 10.000% imo.
And yes Kai was in a good shape, but for me Günter played in his own leque when it comes to shape combined with mass.
You seem to neglect aesthetic,it’s not all about conditioning and ripped glutes,for some reason bodybuilding is changing again in the late years and bubble guts aren’t more than an unpleasant memory.obviously the amount of muscle it’s one of the most important aspects of bodybuilding but to ignore physiques like Cormier,Levrone,Shawn among many others great names for Branch and Kay it’s at least debatable.its your opinion and it’s valid but it’s a vision from an angle I believe most of the viewers don’t identify
Erik Frankhouser has the biggest calves....
There is a guy named Erik Fankhouser who has amazing calves, many people never heard of him. Flex was great but he didn't have wide lats. Cormier was also great, ElSonbaty was huge , he needed better conditioning from the back, I also like Ruhl, Martinez , Kai
Top 3 Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler and Kevin Levrone.
I still rather look like the golden era guys, if I had my choice. Chris cormier is one of alltime favorites too.
Def Kai. He was so complete
Kai has a massive GH gut...he will suffer in his elder years from the massive abuse of PEDs
21:00 Oh, you might have heard of him: Dorian Yates.
Shawn Ray holds that spot firmly.1990,1994,1996 Uncrowned MrOlympia, Best midsection ever, 12 years of consistency and he’s the 3rd best poser of all time
Who do have in 1st and 2nd for posing?
The rest is up for debate at #3. It could be Zane, Kevin, Kai, Melvin Anthony, Ruff Diesel, Cedric, Makaway, Flex, Paris, Benafatto, Dillet, Arnold or Shawn Ray other guys at #3.
@@cncaliguy09 Paul Dillet was horrible at posing.
Shawn doesn’t even compare a candle to keone let alone victor
Levrone worth a mention, 2nd four times.
Kai green or Flex wheeler
I just started the video, and the answer is flex wheeler!
we need a kevin v branch comparison now
Lee Labrada vs Rich Gaspari vs Tom Platz
Robbie Robinson
for his time He would be one of if not the best
Chris Cormier!!!!!!!
Kai would win ,kevin second,third branch, fourth Gunter, fifth max marx muscle
Eric Frankhouser probably have the best calves.
10:22 What do you mean Branch is NOT uncrowned? He never won.
it simply means I don't think he deserved to beat Jay in 09. Victor should have beat Jay in 07 so I consider him a mr Olympia but he is uncrowned. Get It?
I have Shawn Ray with:
Priest
Flex
As honorable mentions.
As good as Kai was, he had some glaring weaknesses.
Poor triceps, poor traps, waist became quite wide later in his career.
His back lat spread was also lacking any details.
He often came in quite poor condition also. 2012 was his best!
I think Shawn Ray is the best to never win?
His only weakness was structural, being quite narrow.
Otherwise he was fully developed, and usually shredded to the bone!!
Shawn was small. Yes, every muscle was equally developed, but you could also argue they were all underdeveloped in general. He was dwarfed utterly by Coleman, Nasser, etc.
If you know, it’s the mass monster arrow you can’t get mad if he’s not winning the show, but Victor Martinez is by far a better candidate than the guy you said I’m telling everybody on the replies, just look it up they might have a short you can see his physique that year
„They said this to Ruhl: ‘You cannot win when Bob Tshigeriilo competes!’“
Hey MMM!
You’re thinking of Eric Frankhouser for biggest calves!
However you spell it.
Kai’ s Corey Feldman hats and moves probably are the only thing that kept him from winning.
Kevin has it for me
Kevin F gp 97 vs branch 09
Kevin wins fdb, fls, side chest and triceps, both back poses, abs and thighs, crab mm, closed hands mm
Branch wins hands on hip mm
Dennis Wolf? Just curious where he would place.
he lost to a lesser version of Kai so didnt bother putting him in. He would not be last here though
Dennis suffered major health problems from his PED abuse
7:13 Gunter beat Coleman that year to set up tension / excitement for that years Olympia. Naturally, when the Olympia came around, the placings made more sense (Coleman winning and Gunter coming in 10th or something like that). I'm a fan of Gunter, but at no point was Gunter better than Ronnie.
Flex, Levrone, Dillet, Priest for me. Maybe Warren and Ray next.
1. kai 2. flex 3. victor 4. kevin
Flex and kai for me 👍
For me it's Flex, Levrone, or Nasser.
i put dennis wolf 2007 version
The other guy with great calves was Erik fankhouser
that is correct! You get a free request!
Branch.
I think probably Kai
size wise he's like Nasser but with a much better back, and Nasser regularly beat the other 90's greats
oh Branch and Gunther are not beating that version of Kevin, no chance
Flex or victor no one else deserves more
Kai Greene. That’s it. Simple.
Gustavo Badell 2005 vs. Hunter Labrada 2024 .
Flex or Nasser.
Kevin for me in 1994 definitely and probably 1997 should have won
Flex wheeler without a doubt
Flex is now cripples and legless from his PED abuse
But marx max musclllle !! Where is dennis wolf you ruined my day
Кевин 1995
Just started the vid but I'll tell you right now Kai is by far the best bodybuilder that never won an Olympia
Kevin would've won if he stopped the music
Neckzilla 😂
Kevin levrone
Kevin is my choice
No one won the O in their first appearance. That's politics. Kevin Levrone should have won his first time out, not Dorian
Bullshit
Levrone from the British Grand Prix was much better.
Kai. The only guy around better than Kai was Phil.
I love u bro but I can t agree with the notion that the golden era can’t compete with the 90’s or whatever. Forget the size and extreme definition. Ask a bunch of ladies what they like, that’s all that matters in my book. No way they like too much mass or disgusting leanness. Who is trying to impress who, gender wise. Seriously. No one needs to be bigger than Steve Reeves. 😅
Dorian Yates
Mike mattarazzo 🐂
Kevin Levrone....by a mile.....
Victor
Gunter was better or as good anyway at the 02 Olympia, he should have won, 5th was a joke - I was there. Ronnie should have won the Europa as he had filled back up - they were trying to make up for their corruption and went to far
Branch over Flex? Seriously? Lol
Kevin beating Gunter with one of his worse physiques (legs already downsized).
Marx max muscle: kevin wont beat gunter.
Lolz
Kevin
KAI
kai
the 2nd tier bodybuilders
Kevin if you’re reading this I love you
The best bodybuilder that didn't win the Olympia would be like Lee Priest or Mike metzer
Lee Priest had no back
You're high dude 😂 lee didnt have a back, mentzer gave up too soon before reaching his potential because he was a crybaby drug addict.
Absolutely not