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chapters:
intro - 0:00
disclaimers - 0:29
what is a sasaeng - 1:55
who are NCT Dream & Ateez - 2:40
who is Kling (_k.ling_)? - 3:18
the roa thread - 8:14
instagram stories - 14:22
where is kling now? - 28:53
note to kling - 30:22
addressing my last video - 32:12
my thots, addressing jealousy comments + outro - 35:27
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I always say this to sasaengs. If the idols really wanted you, by now they would of exchanged details in some way. And we all know they dont want you because if you did exchange details you would not be spending 85% of your life following all these people taking photos. So like please come to reality and do something that makes you genuinely happy, not obsessed. They are two very different emotions.
exactly. i know that there have been idols who have dated or even married people who aren’t idols or who have even been their fans, so it can happen, but these sasaengs aren’t their partners nor do i think they’ll ever be just because i don’t think that people would want to date their stalkers 💀.
some sasaengs do this for money, they sell idols' phone numbers or info on flights etc and i assume they'd make quite a lot
If saesangs put all their energy into a career, they might actually catch an idol's eye.
true she could be model and be a normal person and maybe they might ask for her number 🤡
exactly why do people not get it
The more cases i hear, it makes me wonder about the theory of there being "vip stans". Rich fans that companies abd idols are aware of but because rhey spend so much money they let it slide
Fr like I feel like in every fandom there is like a least 2 people who win all fansigns, video calls, go to lots of concerts but like at this point the company’s probably don’t want to do anything because they are giving so much money
omg i was just thinking that, i didn’t know that people made a term for them, but it makes so much sense when i think about it. i’m gonna look into this, this is so interesting
fr, i noticed that the richer fans tend to be more unhinged. this is a slightly different situation but there’s this somewhat popular editor i know on instagram (though not a sasaeng) who regularly s3xualizes and objectifies ateez (especially sanhwa), and i just learned that they got vip tickets to see them in concert.
@@Grace-pd5lu Ah no, they always get into fansign because they pay for info in advance for the cut. In the end, they're paying customers. Additionally- the thing about vip stans is that when they're on flights with the idols, they pass them gifts and all and the staff just let it go.
It's honestly a shame for both the idols and the fans. 99% of people they meet are either these guys or drop shippers who take advantage of fans who don't know any better or can't afford shipping, etc. We all know the boys get so much more out of meeting genuine fans (not just people who have a lot of money/are hopping on a trend) and so many fans drop so much money (as an Atiny that has been dropping good money on the fansigns for 4 years) so it would be nice for everyone to get one experience rather than the idols having to see the same person at every fansign acting like they're best friends. I just wish there were more chances for other fans to meet them, especially those that don't have money but do everything else they can 🥺
It's slightly off-topic but I never understood the "you can't have the same bias as me" mentality. Like??? When I was at the Ateez concert last year, I made friends with a girl whose bias was Wooyoung (he was my wrecker, but after the concert he graduated to top 3 lmao) and it was SO FUN TO FANGIRL WITH HER. I love the fact that my sister and I both bias Yuqi in (G)I-DLE. One of my bestie ults Baekhyun and her 2nd bias is Sehun - my EXO bias is Sehun and Baek is a wrecker. It works out perfectly because we can both scream at the same pictures and clips lmao
It's much better do fangirl together. Being friends with people who love the same artists? Fun. Having the same bias? FUN AS HELL
I think it’s a difference in what being a fan for them means. We are a fan in the sense that we appreciate and enjoy what they do. People like her are “fans” because they want attention from the idols. Another person with the same bias is a rival who could take away some of that attention in their eyes
for real, i’ve had friends where we had the same bias and it was so fun, like when i would get a duplicate photocard id just give or trade them it. also omg that Ateez concert sounded like so much fun!!
I totally feel connected to those with the same bias for the same reason. I think it's just the delulu "fans" that fight over biases. They think they have a chance to be with them which is ridiculous.
i had a 'friend' who blocked me bc i kept complimenting bangchan and said he is my bias😭😭 they rlly think they're married to that idol their brains are actually rotten
Here's the thing why i started to kinda have the not have same bias mentality. I used to ALWAYS look for people who have same biases as so i can brag about how great and talented they are and they'd add more. But my closest friend started to compete with me about that biases and she legit have her own ults but she'd make it in a weird way especially since all she points out is how hot and sexy when thats usually the last thing i mention but rather how much they mean to me. Also she'd emphasizes with "MY" a lot so i started doing it because it was getting under my skin and i did actually confront her and told her that's too delulu and not healthy but i can tell it's the way she is and I honestly love her so much and so does but yk nobody is perfect. Overall i love having friends who have same biases as mine but with the type of person like my friend i rather not because it can ruin my experience. Since i legit at one point stopped talking about my main ult who's from a group she doesn't stan but she'd always say delulu stuff seeing him as incredibly hot man and i personally hate objectifying IDOLS and only acknowledge them for THAT.
I'm sorry this was long but i just wanted to share this because its annoying and wanna see if anyone went through something similar.
Oh! And btw the reason we've became best friends i legit approached her because we had the same ult from nct. Like clearly i was looking for my people
bro sasaengs are actually crazy..like damn sure i call hongjoong my husband too but i would NEVER EVER go out of my damn way just to go to an airport to see him tf..there's a huge difference between delulu and delusional, and this is just beyond delusional. i feel bad for all her biases..goddamn
seriously, like calling your biases nicknames can be cute, but then when people then follow their bias around everywhere it’s just delusion turned obsession fr
@@duckypato right thats what im sayin!! like girlie keep your weird delusions to yourself, don't broadcast it publicly tf
we’re married but like he can’t know i exists idk what they think they’re doing ???
There is a differnece between going to an airport to see them for the first time or ask for a sign or whatever and have an obsession…. Really hopenthey get the help they need
Yeah like I can appreciate the cute times when Atiny got together at the airport to sing them happy birthday while giving the group respectable space. Obsessed people need serious mental therapy.
It does seem like NCT has a MASSIVE sasaeng problem, maybe more than any other group with a similar level of popularity.
There was a period around 2020 (?) where two or three of the members had to beg people on livestream to stop waiting outside their dorms, shining lasers through their windows, etc.
yeah, i remember that there was a clip going around where one of the members (i don’t remember which) was getting so mad because they kept on getting calls during their livestreams. it’s crazy that sm doesn’t want to do anything about it, they’re so cheap fr
@@duckypatoits happened with quite a few members. Doyoung was doing a singing livestream and the music kept getting interrupted because of people calling him. Jeno also kept getting calls so renjun showed the camera the phone screen to expose their phone number. He also picked up one of the calls to scold the caller. I believe Taeyong also mentioned something about this as well.
blaming SM 😭🙏
@@Rei-xq3zm Taeyong did mention about Channie’s situation. Remember when a sasaeng literally BROKE INTO HIS HOME. I think his family and him were there but I could be wrong. but SOMEONE was there when that sasaeng broke in. I think he decided not to press charges.
It’s one thing to be humble and caring. But having a crazy ass fan break into your HOME and traumatize you? Send them to jail!!
@@TherealGh0stii honestly I think we should. Their groups all have massive sassing problems. They’re probably not doing enough to keep staff from seeking info.
I just started watching but wtf. Jisung has really bad anxiety and you can see it in some videos in airports where he's holding one of his members, keeping his head down, headphones in and mouthing words to a song he's listening to. the boy was only 14 when he debuted. he's still pretty young, but he wasn't able to grow up that well. Jisung has said he has anxiety and gets anxious when mobbed. There's a specific video I remember where he's holding tightly onto Lele's backpack. His head was down and his hat was hiding 40% of his face. He was listening to music and muttering the words to himself. It made me so fcking angry. The poor boy deserves to be worry free of sasaengs but unfortunately, he is not. NCT sasaengs are some of the worst sasaengs next to BTS sasaengs. (from what I've seen, I of course don't know every sasaeng story for all groups pls lmk)
6:19 is that NANA???
22:48 Jisung is definitely uncomfortable. As I said in this comment, he has openly said how uncomfortable he feels and you can look up those videos I mentioned. He has really bad anxiety from what I see.
i felt so bad watching those clips, he seemed so anxious that i was getting anxious just watching it. i’m not a big fan of them and don’t keep up with them so i didn’t let me know that he had openly talked about having anxiety, so thank you for letting me know, i just feel even worse for him now, i can’t even imagine what he’s going through.
@@duckypato no worries! it’s absolutely sickening. this has been a thing since he was FOURTEEN. 14 years old. there have also been cases where most likely minor fans (but maybe some adult) ASKED him to show his ABS in vlives. while he was a MINOR still.
but he discreetly showed a gesture, wrists together (arrest/police) and once, jeno made a siren noise
@@lunerlilly may i ask what you mean by “internationally, idols don’t usually have to worry as much”? I had another comment about that but I don’t want to reply and then come to find that i completely misunderstood. 😭
and ofc! im glad more people are hearing about things like this!
looking at the location where she stalked them, she must have tons of money
as a jisung fan, anyone who even watches just a single video of 7dream would know that he is extremely introverted and shy. he even feels shy doing fan service on a stage... during concert! nct have always had sasaengs invading their privacy and it's honestly so tiring how much sm just ignores all these crazy people.
i agree with you i am too a jisung fan but i can never seen myself do this things like if you understand him you can understand that hes a little bean. i feel like this people who are saesang can understand how they leve or how they feel and UNDERSTAND them.
tbh even if he was extoverted it still wouldn't be ok to stalk him.
@@sadakopilled I think what they were referring to is that stalking is already an awful situation but it's made even worse for Jisung considering his personality
I have noticed that a lot of well known sasaengs are on more conventionally attractive side maybe because of the stereotype that when someone is attractive they are more harmless. I am not correlating that if you are an attractive fan that you are a sasaeng or dangerous just that a lot of these sasaengs are attractive
I agree. Since they’re “pretty,” they’re given more of a pass in regards to this sorta behavior. ☹️
@@Leslisaloveschuliterally ppl like that judy girl who is the nct saesang her friends and “fans” defend her and defends herself because she’s conventionally attractive
@@Leslisaloveschu or theyre just more delusional, thinking that because theyre pretty they could "pull" their faves and thats why theyre always getting in their faces
I noticed this as well
As someone who stans ateez, there is a reason why they love america/europe/anywhere but asia tbh. They feel free. They don’t have to feel like they are being followed as much. They can go do things without constant fans. Hell, last year they did an in person meet up, in LA, in a park and everyone was so respectful of their space! Sure they are probably some crazy fans in America but it’s not at the same level as it is in their home country. I would love to meet atz one day but I also know I would be lucky to get the opportunity and I would
provide them with respect like everyone should. They are so
giving as a group to atiny so
they should feel the same energy back
It's okay to call an idol ur husband/wife/gf/bf/bestie etc. but going out of your way to ACT like they really are your bf/gf etc. is just obsession. You do NOT need to go to the airport just to see ur fav idol. Fansigns, fanmeetings, concerts,etc exist for a reason. An idol can comfort you, but you don't need to acc act like you know them personally. It's scary how these people actually think this way. Someone needs to give them a good slap so they can come back to reality because we do NOT need idols who have a passion to do their job to quit because of these sasaengs.
I CANT WITH THE PAPA'S SONG ON THE BACKGROUND
I've only just watched the beginning of the video but the idols they interact with send shivers down my spine: Enhypen, NMIXX both have pretty young members who are minors / just became adults; depending on when they started liking NCT / Dream and how many members of the group they like there are also minors included, and the most concerning ones IMO are Woongki since he doesn't really have a company anymore since last year due to him finally leaving WakeOne (who sucks) and zb1 where they literally post a minor (Yunjin) and overall the fact that they seem to like BoysPlanet which had quite a bunch of minors and contestants without protection in form of a company is terrifying
I don't know which one scares me more: them liking groups with minors / the minors themselves whilst being a stalker or the fact that they seem to like people from companies that suck in terms of idol protection (W1, SM), very small companies or just straight up don't have any protection from any group (Woongki, potentially more BP999 contestants of which the youngest are '07 and '08 liners)
I really don't get how someone can be that disgusting
Edit: Why does Yunjin have to be one of her favourite idols? The kid already got to hear enough, he doesn't need another person who's prolly obsessed with him calling them "Noona" and he also doesn't need more stress with a stalker
It's disgusting how someone can do smth like that, especially to a child with lacking protection
i’m not that familiar with ZB1 and i didn’t watch Boys Planet, i had no clue they were that young or that Yujin is still a minor wtf… he *just* turned 17 last month, that’s so crazy. and about Woongki that’s so unsafe that so many people (not a huge crowd, but at least like 10 people) were there waiting for him at the airport when he’s not even under a company and more than likely doesn’t have security. i feel like this comment just opened my third eye or something this information is kinda crazy
I better not meet her at a concert. I know there are some stalkers who somehow go every stop out there. KQ's security guards better protect Ateez from her
Saesangs are mostly the kpop industry reaping what it sows. The idea that you're really getting to know the idol as a person, and that they're an eligible single. Don't blame the people dumb enough to fall for the marketing trap, blame the company for making parasocial relationships with idols a large part of their marketing strategy. The idols are victims of some saesangs (if they break into a group's dorm of try to kidnap them, both have happened), but they're first of all victims of a company that fosters obsession with them, then leaves them to face the consequences. For example by not having them fly private so people are able to get on the same plane.
The industry does create an environment of entitlement, that’s true
Yeah, it's so engrained into people's minds that "beauty" is synonymous with being good, and "ugliness " is associated with being evil.
Stalking is terrifying for the victim, and it doesn't matter what the perpetrator looks like. If they appear to seem to be not seem to be threatening for whatever reason/s that doesn't make it any less scary, creepy, and violating for the victim.
It isn't an insult if she's funding this through any form of sex work. It is misogynistic. It doesn't matter. It would only be anything to note if a person was committing acts such as robbery and therefore harming others to fund the stalking.
People have even excused the actions of violent criminals due to their appearance.
For me, a person's actions, their personality, and the way they treat others will shine through and effect their attractiveness. If a person is kindhearted it makes them beautiful. A nasty, selfish, unpleasant person who hurts others will be repulsive to me physically.
It's wild to me that she skipped a concert to sit on an airplane! I can't comprehend it. I couldn't afford to see ATEEZ when they had a concert in London. I really wanted to go but it just wasn't affordable for me at that point, but I'm hopeful for the future.
It must be down to one of two things, or maybe a bit of both. Total delusional thinking - believing that the flight is going to be a meet cute like something out of a movie or maybe more like a bad fanfic. OR getting a kick out of negatively impacting the victim. Idols have been poisoned, and similar things to that... They want to leave their mark on them and they don't care if it's for a bad reason.
Power and control comes into abusive behaviour. People can really enjoy the misery they are causing.
Being followed on a flight is so wrong, that's a time where the idols should be able to relax. Not be anxious about their every move. It would be great if something could be done to protect people from this behaviour. Don't let these creeps on the flights. It's not safe.
I love NCT. 127 are my favourite subunit. But I have seen so much despicable behaviour targeted at NCT as a whole. From people camping outside dorms, being followed on flights, older members getting hated for protecting younger members and cursing at the stalkers, and being creeped on when filming content including a time they were filming in a basement and fans were looking in from above.
SM is so bad with doing anything about it. TVXQ had some terrifying stuff happening back in the day and it's not gotten any better.
It even played into what happened with Lucas. Lucas called out this behaviour in livestreams. SM have never clarified exactly what he did wrong, there was a lot of evidence that at least some of the allegations appeared to be fabricated by stalkers. SM should have taken action, and been clear about what happened. They appear to be sticking to being vague and not addressing anything head-on. So it's impossible to come to a conclusion. Anything that was a malicious rumour should have been publicly debunked by SM. Anything that was the work of a stalker should have been dealt with. Anything that was real should have been addressed. How can he be apologising for something when we don't know what he's apologising for? It's so sketchy, but whatever the case I feel I can at least say it points to SM being useless. They can't be bothered to protect their idols. They can't be bothered to take action against stalking which is a huge, documented issue. They also won't even address an idols wrongdoings directly. They can't even be bothered to disband groups.
Anyway. Essay over. I've been struggling with depression a lot this year, so my heart goes out to Duck. Thank you for your content. Look after yourself.
I'm someone who hyperfixate on whatever my current obsession is but fans like that scare me. I can understand being obsessive but going so far as to stalking (illegal), invading others' privacy and endangering the idols is not ok.
Not to mention they can ruin the idol's whole career just because of something they perceived as a slight against them by their idol(and suddenly their obsessive love turn into hate).
I also agree that no matter how attractive one is, if they're horrible, their inner ugliness just ooze out. But unfortunately, we live in a society where a lot of people would deliberately ignore the bad characters and personalities just for the sake of conventionally attractive physical appearances.
I think idols agencies definitely need to step up with their security measures and protecting their idols. Like we have all these incidents (and tragic events where the celebrities lost their lives) of crazy fans harming their subjects of fantasies in an entertainment industry that don't rely on selling boyfriend/girlfriend fantasy. So what makes those idol agencies think, their idols will be safe when they're in an industry that's selling fans the delusion of being able to be with their favourite idols. If your business model is based on fueling people 's delusions, you're gonna have to prepare to fend of delusional fans. You can't not think that there won't be some crazies out there.
exactly, i’ve met some real mean pretty people and some real nice not so pretty people. and i felt the need to call out the “selling their bodies to stalk idols” since there were surprisingly quite a few the last time i covered a pretty sasaeng and i didn’t think that it was fair or in good faith to do that. like there are many things to critique and things like that aren’t one of them.
also SM has been on my nerves ever since i really started looking into their treatment of the idols and staff in their company. they’re so cheap and shady and don’t even try to protect their idols.
thank you for your comment, it has a lot of good insight, and thank you for the understanding abo it depression, i’ve been officially diagnosed for a few years now so im pretty used to the waves of being fine and then feeling like everything isn’t worth much, but that’s just how it is lol. thanks again! 🫶
The thing i noticed is that some of these super obsessive fan's are pretty and as women we all know that they think that if they're prettier than othet fan's, she'll get the attention from idols like actually GETTING something from idols. Idols do in fact notice pretty fan's and even flirt but they're not stupid and it makes these "fans" so not attractive to them due to their obvious attempts for attention and worse, invading their privacy.
As a atiny and casual nct fan I have been waiting for this
This is gonna be long
Also the mingi situation might have been the dark abyss scandal where people spread false info about a popular anime in Korea called dark abyss saying it was cp(it was not) mingi,woozi,taeyong and soobin where all involved basically someone posted a fan call with mingi the audio was bad and she kept muting herself and when fans asked her to clarify the situation causing people where mocking his anxiety body shaming him saying he should take his own life and calling him a predator(as a victim of child s/a I was lived with fans)the person refused (it happened when ateez was about to have a comback so many people thought it was sabotage attempted) Sakura was also talked about but most of the people spreading misinformation and attacking the guys said it's OK she watched it because she's japanese(the racism and double standards was stong)
as another atiny and nct casual, this is my jam
The anime is actually called “Made in Abyss”. It’s a dark anime but definitely not CP. it’s like shaming someone for liking horror movies….
@@rx500android oh my bad ikr honestly I had Friends who don't know anything about kpop making fun of kpop fans over this all of anime Twitter was laughing
that was not the mingi situation actually that was posted by that rflyoung account. The mingi situation was at coachella where a "fan" got her phone case signed by mingi and got to talk to him for a bit but was later exposed for having an alt account on twitter that sent death threats, doxxing, and gore content to nctzens (i think) and other kpop fans. FYI to everyone her @ is mingkissie and if you are following them, pls unfollow/block. They fully admitted to this and claimed they were a minor at the time, deactivated their twitter, and now reactivated and are denying everything.
oh wow, i heard a bit about that situation, but didn’t really look too much into it, i didn’t know that that’s what they were referring to. i’ll look more into the situation before coming to my own conclusions, so thank you for letting me know! i was so confused for a while lol
I wonder if she was a big piece of San saying during a live after Coachella that he really doesn't like people following them around and taking pictures and videos without their consent and actively seeking them out while they're "off the clock." He said he's protective of them and he really really doesn't like that behavior,that he's happy to run into someone inadvertently, like at a store or restaurant or something, but people who actively seek them out and follow them is inappropriate. KQ also recently released a statement about appropriate airport behavior and how it reflects on all atiny.
So yeah... Oof.
Oh wow really!? I'm so glad he said that and that KQ is being the wonderful protective family that it is. Granted idk if they can fully avoid public filming lol. But I completely understand what he means with people following them around. It's rude and weird. That's why I hate how people hard-core follow idols at the airport. It's like fam your phone has a zoom, stop sticking to them like glue. It's so weird....
When you talked about idols being uncomfortable when fans are shoving their phones in their faces it kinda hit me. It's like those super creepy paparazzis following stars, never leaving them alone and WAITING for them to break down. A lot of stars have talked about how they developed paranoia and anxiety and are/were scared of going outside.
I look at nct dream ssngs extra crazy cuz there's an 80% chance that they've been stalking them since they were literally children. We already kno for a fact that this behaviour really damaged haechan, Markus and Renjun, seeing how they spoke up about it and consequentially now suffer from anxiety, don't feel safe at home and what not. Shit rlly breaks my heart, cuz these dudes barely enter adulthood and still don't get to know what real peace feels like. All their childhood yrs isolated by that damn company exploiting their innocence and youth, now work, social pressure and all these burdens isolating them as young adults... I hope for a better and more comfortable future for them, I love them so much man
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There are many kids in this world who had never felt peace or anything in their life because of their poverty or the country's environment they live in.
These guys chose to become singers and these stalking behaviour were already there since ages. So they knew what they were getting into
Damn those fans might have crazy amount of money and time i mean booking same flight just look at them, what do you get ? They arent going to talk with you why waste so much money and also harm their mental health if you care so much about them
I fully forgot this girl even existed, now I wanna see a fight between her and that girl on tiktok who thinks she's dating hongjoong lmao
On a serious note tho, I'm glad you're doing better now and thank you for the apology about bin, it really means a lot 💜
…there’s another one…? there’s been influencer boxing matches before so i won’t lie, i’d like to see it 🤪
and thank you, im just glad that k could at least try to right my mistake
@@duckypato I'd love to organize that match, _k.ling_ vs. hongsprincess, they're both quite pretty too so we could make bank by selling a shit ton of tickets to their simps lmao
filming idols literally in the plane should be grounds for kicking you off the flight.. I'd at least be kicking the back of her seat!! 😍
I'm glad you did go beyond "she's too pretty to be doing this" and mentioned other hobbies/skills she could be participating in. here's my proposal---the best of both worlds---since you love airports so much and have enviable looks: try a career as a flight attendant!!
I find the halo effect phenomenon interesting to some extent, but it mostly just makes me feel violent :) I try to balance things by assuming attractive people are actually worse people.
but I really do appreciate that you are pursuing justice here in this corner of the internet! this is good niche content! and you present things with a sense of humor and lighter tone, which is super duper appreciated because these are more serious topics and I become anxious so easily when hearing about bad things.
my guess for your dream bias is haechan. I would share mine but ot7 are all constantly wrecking me I cannot choose one. I'd go to war for any one of them. which is quite fitting as ncity is a 24/7 absolute fucking warzone
ateez.. I'm still baby atiny I want to say you'd bias jongho or san. yeosang is def top contender for my own bias but wooyoung/hwa/yunho have my whole heart as well. they're also all way too talented!! bias culture is difficult lol
i didn’t know that there was a name to this, but the “halo effect” is a really good name for it! i’m gonna look more into it later. and that’s such a good suggestion of a flight attendant, i didn’t even think of that, but now i wonder how flight staff feel about having to deal with stalkers and having to deal with them on their flight.
and thank you for all of the compliments!! you’re so so kind, and you’re spot on for my bias for one of the groups 👀
I really respect that you clarified your last video where you mentioned Moonbin! Thank you so much for being respectful about it. I love your videos, they're always so informative, and you're so funny!
thank you, i felt so bad about the whole situation and it didn’t feel right to post without at least acknowledging that i messed up pretty bad with that part of the coverage. also thank you ☺️
I love how this was posted the same day I asked to go to the Ateez concert (I'M GOING Y'ALL!!!!)
congrats!! if I can ask, which concert are you going to?? (I’m going to Toronto!!)
@@crystal_lily_1208 I'm hopefully going to the one in Texas
Have fun!!!!!
@@lizzyjimenez7906 ooh have fun!!
omg have fun!!! manifesting that you get a great view and make amazing memories 🕯️📿
im a dream stan and jisung is one of my biases. hes younger than me and hes quite a timid person so i feel very protective over him and this video really got my blood boiling. he definitely experiences anxiety and overstimulation in airports and other crowded areas, he always puts his earphones in to drown out the commotion and is often seen holding onto one of his members to keep himself grounded :(
Damn, I didn't know about half of this behavior. The lines in MATZ re: sasaengs hit so much harder.
These people make idol's lives a nightmare. Sure, we'd all like an interaction with our idols but most of us accept that it's not likely to happen, and are happy enough to go to concerts if we're lucky, or just dream. I don't understand how they get away with it because if these weren't idols being stalked, the police would get involved with this much harassment. Is she also the girl who always seems to get in the NCT videos when they're filming? The touching thing with Hongjoong - does she mean she wants to touch his face too, as in the photo it seems like he has his hand on his cheek.
As someone with anxiety, I even dread the idea of a videocall with an idol, I pretty much prefer them not knowing that I exist
I know this isn't about that but the game got me so distracted. Am I seeing that right, are they asking for a whole garlic bulb on their drinks?? This is driving me coconuts. Btw, great video, thank you for making it!
NEVERMIND, I realised it was whipping cream probably. LMAO
What game is this pls
@@essybeckspapa's mocharia to go
Actually the thought of another idol stalking you, a fellow idol, is even scarier and more dangerous. No matter how far you try to get away from them, they'll always follow you and come up with excuses like "Hey I wanna see you because I'm interested in filming a collab" or "I convinced my manager if my group can perform in this music festival too so we can see each other more!" You want to say no, but can't, because you don't know what they'll do or that people won't believe you.
also i appreciate the hard work and research you do to get these videos out they’re very informative and entertaining as someone new to kpop!
This is so scary, you have to think that if they idols are seeing the same creepy people are around them over and over that they may not be entirely safe. I would feel so anxious, companies need to do something. Oh and with SM, you haven’t scratched the surface with SHINee and what sasaengs have done with regards to Taemin.
Genuinely... THANK YOU for making these videos oml. I see nobody talking about sasaengs other than stan twt and we know how long topics last there.
I wanna say just from watching you play papas games made me get a papas game and I play while I watch ur videos 😭🙏🏽
when i first came across ur channel i was shocked you didnt have like millions of subs. these are def my fav videos on yt. your commentary, and overall just how the videos are made are truly amazing. hope you are doing well, i dont want you to see this channel as a burden and stop posting! ur not letting us down dw. talking abt the last video was rlly considerate, instead of just overlooking it, hope you continue to do well, and have continue posting!
I've been on huge stages before (not as big as these idols usually go on) but with the damn lights and everything going on, there is just no way they could figure out where one particular person is even if they'd tell you which section to look to and whatnot it's impossible. The crowds usually go from 7000ish to 50.000 depending on city/country and arena. These claims are so outlandish. We all get delusional sometimes but unless you are dumping huge amounts of fluorescent liquid on yourself, no fxcking way.
I really love these videos!! It helps the community be so much more aware of the situations because a lot of this gets pushed down
Girl.... you can bag anyone who would worship the ground you walk on and you choose idols who doesn't want anything to do with you?? 😭😭 you're too pretty for this
im so happy to see a new video from you
i have a horrible migraine and your videos always give me something else to focus on besides the pain ❤
omg i hope you feel better, i’ve had a migraine one time and i never want to have one again, and thank you, this is super high praise 🫶
Chismosa atiny jsjsj. Me dio goosebumps that. I’m atiny and nctzen (plus Jisung biased) and people sucks. This kind of people need to go to jail,that’s creepy. Greetings from Spain 🇪🇸🤍🖤🩵
33:20 also thank YOU for this so many people have been saying this and everytime I try to correct them they say they got it from google and don’t want to listen so I really appreciate the fact that you acknowledged this and I hope more people see this because it’s misinformation that has been spreading everywhere ❤
miss duck, thank u for ur hard work as always 💗 your humor and kindness delivered with a sprinkle of sass in general are on point and that is why i'm always looking forward to any new videos, but most of all it's the respect u have and as someone's already pointed out, ur courage to adress mistakes no matter how big or small they are 💌 keep up the good work but take care of yourself too, because that is totally more important than constant uploading, i'm sure we can all wait and will definitely cheer up whenever we see that one "duck" notification 🦆🦆✌
Yoo thank u for the Spanish translations lol I would just sit and smile when u switched usually, but now I acc understand! Haha
hey girl i emailed kq thanks for making these videos because a lot of people don't talk about this side of kpop 💕💕💕going that close to idols is super sad cuz they dont even know you and these crazy people are acting toooo comfortable
Like wooyoung once said said to them: "I am not interested 😐".
Honestly one of the things I love about San is how he has previously, (and continues to) put a line in the sand between work/their fans, and their life outside of work. He has said it feels creepy when he can tell that someone hasn’t just run into them but has stalked them, and he has told people that tried calling him, that he will never pick up and that they arent real fans if they are stalking them and getting their phone numbers and stuff. It’s refreshing to see him call out these ‘fans’ that behave inappropriately and stalk them, and I wish idols felt more comfortable/were allowed to say to leave them alone like that.
idc what age jisung is, he's a year older than my little sister so he's a child in my eyes- i cannot stand these freaks making his life hard!!! thank u for covering this/bringing to light this ssg. Hongjoong doesn't deserve this either, no idol deserves to have their privacy breached D ;
oh my god new duck video ! !
im gon guess mingi for the bias for SOME reason LMAOO
I'm parasocial with sour cream chips
You give me Yunho-biased vibes! ✨
first video i watched from you and i clicked for the story but got soooo into the game being shown, i zoned out of the story and would get shocked back to reality when i hear some details
i absolutely love these videos! thank you for ur hard work
thank you so much!! also i love your profile picture lol
Girl i love your videos
I love that you do disclaims (not to have them out of the way but really because you value them), I love that you understand the depth behind making a mistake and you have the courage to address (fight instead of flight), I hope to see you more but at the same time take your time (for you and to do proper research), I'll see you next time❤
NEW DUCK VIDEOOOOO LET'S GOOOOOO
amo cuando hacés videos sobre estos temas. yo personalmente opino que no es normal ser mayor de edad, y gastar mucha muuucha plata en perseguir a idols. tranquilamente los podes ver en un meet&greet de un concierto, pero esa necesidad extrema de verlos TODOS los días...... bastante turbio todo
muchas gracias, patito 🫴✨
exactamente, yo ya soy mayor de edad, pero si mis papás me ven gastando mucho dinero en puras pendejadas me van a decir algo, especialmente si es por un hombre 💀 y muchísimas gracias 🥹❤️
I cant stop watching the gameplay how are you so good at this game
I love your videos, I’m not even a fan of most of the groups you mention but I’m a huge chismosa so 🤭🤭
DUCK IS BACK?? SHINEE'S BACK?? I'm glad we're seeing more of you, and I won't thank you on behalf of AROHA's, but I appreciate you for taking accountability! We are all human and allowed our mistakes, and I know you learn from everything and try to continue to stay informed which is why I always enjoy your videos, personally! UGH these sasaeng defenders man sus mentes asustan, it's almost worse than Kling or Judy's actions sometimes bc how are you sitting here telling me their looks give them some kind of pass? puedo see delirante, pero no así, especially when it comes to something as easily defined as 'stalking' or 'harassment'. Sorry this comment is all over the place hehe, also I'm terrible at guessing but I NEED to know who your ateez bias is like yesterday?!
all that money to talk to ur fav idols like lets use our brains and put that money into something useful 💀 like idk university or savings??
4:25 speaking of enhypen we need to talk about the weirdo that is bieberscoups 😭😭 grown woman following enha to multiple fate+ us stops and the samsung event and being a weird ni-ki fan since he was a minor like we should not let this woman near them at all
don’t these people have lives??? it’s such a sad existence, just following other people around…
hi!! as someone from hong kong i would like to provide some context about why this person would so openly post and talk about the said idols like this (btw this isn’t to say that she did nothing wrong because what she did was indeed insanely inappropriate)
1) calling an idol your “husband” or 老公 is very common in the chinese/hk fan community
2) following idols to airports or buying plane details is unfortunately insanely common in hk fan culture, its so easy to buy these details and for very very cheap too many many fans even if they arent technically ‘sasaengs’ or aren’t overly delusional do buy these details
3) a lot of the messages she wrote in her instagram stories are kind of mistranslated or some phrases are used in a joking manner
4) and for the same bias thing, a lot of fans don’t like or even unfriend people who have the same bias as them, theres a term for it which is 同擔
(this comment is just for context and im in no way condoning her behaviour!!)
I love your videos as always 🩷
omg i love listening to your videos while studying
Tbf I think going to a company building by itself would be fine. I’ve gone to the SM and JYP buildings just to take a picture of the place and to kinda like… see the place where it happens if it makes sense?
But the thing is I went there, took a picture outside like you would at a monument, and then left. And I don’t think that’s what she’s out here doing.
Like a couple of these things would be fine by themselves, it’s just the fact that it’s all of those things together
(Emphasis on some btw. Buying tickets for the same flight for example is never okay)
yeah! i know that especially the big 3 and i think hybe have exhibits or cafes where people can go or even make reservations, but from i could see KQ doesn’t offer this, and they’ve had to release a statement after people, especially this one influencer, show up to the building. (this influencer tried to interview San randomly and showed up at the building twice), so that’s why i mentioned it along with her weird behavior
@@duckypato yeah at JYP they used to have a cafe and don’t anymore, so you can kinda just look at it from across the street xD
When I went there I kinda just took a picture, marveled at how much smaller than I thought it’d be it was, went to get a drink at a cafe across the street and then left. Idk what people would do at a building like that for multiple hours?
Yep, I took a photo at the old BigHit office when I visited Korea back in 2018. Arrived, snapped a photo in front of it, reveled in seeing the building, and left. Was there 2 minutes total.
This is way off topic but I love how you said ‘chismosa atiny’ 😭
(I’m afro-latina btw)
I love your videos soooo much. ❤❤❤❤❤
thank you!! 🫶
@@duckypato your welcome. Your videos inspire me to make videos like these so I’m currently working ❤
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As much as i hate to say this, but this sasaeng is a vip fan. And because of that, there is a little thing that idol can do. This sasaeng is treated as a vip because they spent thousand of dollar to see their fav idol. They bring big money to the company, of course company not going to punished them badly until they will stop, since this sasaeng is most likely their source of income.
Because as casual fan you most likely listen their music in spotify or applemusic, you buy their album sometimes, you go to their concert one time or just watch free live stream on youtube
The other dedicated fan will listen to your song, buy your album, maybe making a post, buy you a gift sometimes, going to your concert most of the times. But this kinda thing is expensive so they never really doing it much and usually they do it together with other dedicated fan
But sasaeng?? They probably buy a thousand bulk of your album everytime you out with a new song, go to all of your concert, gift?? Whatever you say in live or just lightly mention it, they will buy it. Even if you take a shit they will buy it, that how excessive sasaeng is. But that also means they bring big money, they probably comes from a wealthy family, or have a big fat chunck of money just sitting around from inheritance or something, so they have all the time in the world to chase after their idol, because this people seriously think they have a chance with their idol, that why some of them is conventionally attractive or they kinda fit into the korean beauty standard
that's also why company always let them go. They will punish them if they go to far, but not bad enough to stop them, pretty much just light punishment.
The footage of jisung where all the other fans (including her) are gathered round, shoving their phones in his face genuinely made me feel sick. I would understand idols battling gratitude alongside a deep contempt for their fandoms due to such dehumanising treatment. Me personally? I would go apeshit but I don’t have a livelihood to lose 🙄
The worst part is these companies will not do anything , kpop is built off of these parasocial relationships if anything companies promote it heavily at the expense of the idols cause it makes them money. I’ve talked to a lot of Korean fans of my favourite girl group loona, it is common for the same fans to show up to fansigns / schedules / airports everytime for Korean fans that is normal and they see nothing wrong with it and with the amount of fansigns companies do right now fans really think they have a relationship with the idol as they talk to them so often to the point the idols know them personally 😭 the industry is so messed up
What is the problem if the same person goes to fan sign multiple times?
@@Breathinbreathout-ov4lo I don’t think multiple times is a bad thing at all I’ve done fancalls for my favorite groups too but seeing them and talking to them everrryyy single event for some people can create a really strong one sided relationship that could end up with the fan thinking they are entitled and actually the idols friends and close with them and it’s more than just idol > fan relationship
This is exactly why I don't get mad when celebrities use private jets.
Thank you for clarifying about moonbin ❤
Even 10 years ago staff would sell information to crazy “fans” and watching this I’m sad to see that it’s still going on. People wouldn’t have as much information on where the idols will be if it wasn’t for someone close to them selling the information.
Yujin is a minor, I hope she leaves the kid alone 😭
I think instead of only seeing these sasaengs as JUST bad guys(even though the do a lot of weird, bad and probably ilegal things) they are mentally unstable, if you're THAT obsessed over an idol you have something wrong going on up their. They need help, it cannot be healthy for them to spend this much time and energy on someone who probably doesn't even know them. So in conclusion, i think companies need to hire more security, maybe even make the idols go through a less public way at the airport cause clearly it is way to dangerous, not only for the idols but probably even the fans and, second, the sasaengs SERIOUSLY need profesional help, or atleast touch some grass.
LMAO I WAS JUST PLAYING THAT PAPAS GAME
I'm ticketing tmr for ateez this came right on time lmao 😭
Btw- airport arrivals are public knowledge and almost 90% of the time their departure and arrival are always anticipated by media, and considering how easy it is to get info about when they'll be departing from ICN, fans going to the airport is very much anticipated. Also- fansites are not sasaengs, but some sasaengs are fansites and they earn money by taking pictures of the idols to sell to media outlets etc. I'm not saying kling is not a sasaeng, but I hope people do not put her in the same group as fansites.
On another note, someone already pointed this out but if an idol wanted to contact you they would have very easily found a way to exchange details. Maybe 80% of idols are dating, and more than half the time they're dating non idols. Your chances of ever being with them actually goes down by virtue of you being a fan because of how risky it is to their security and safety.
hii off topic but could you maybe make a video about the seunghan hiatus from riize? love ur channel btwww❤
Guesses for biases... Maybe Yunho for Ateez and Chenle for NCT Dream?
(Mine are Hongjoong and Jaemin.... and Matthew for ZB1, but Gunwook and Hanbin are a VERY close second and third >.
I am from Hong Kong and the translation at 4:39 does not means "Going itchy" It means "I am going crazy now"
I cannot for the life of me understand what and how seasangs are thinking. They claim to love them, but don't care about making these people uncomfortable in the slightest.
The idols show so so much of their lifes already, I sometimes feel like invading their privacy watching some of their officially published stuff. How anyone thinks it is okay to take even more of it in following them around, calling them on their freking private phones or downright hunting them down..? That is scary, inconsiderate, extremely rude and mentally unhealthy for everyone involved.
Please let them have at least some peace!
Jisung is a very shy person too
I'll keep saying this, but just cause they're famous doesn’t give people right to be up in their faces, even In public. Sasaengs do better
A question I always wonder is how the hell do they have the money to do all this, because it barely seems like they have time to have a job🤷♀️
They usually have rich parents…
Yeeeey more!
You are either Seonghwa or Yunho biased Atiny
Mine's Yeosang. Thank you for this video fellow Atiny
This one girl in my class is a sasaeng too and she is friends with the girl in this video 😭😭😭
Hey. My first time coming across your video. Will definitely subscribe ❤ Uhmmmm I think your bias is either Yeosang, Yunho or Jongho 🤔
There are recent videos of Kling and her blonde female friend following Hongjoong at Gimpo International Airport on TH-cam channels:NewsenTV, RNX TV,and KoreanDispatch. Hongjoong appeared to be agitated and disturbed by them.🙏🙏🙏😥😰💔💔💔
off topic but i love papa's game franchise 😭
6:09 is tempest hanbin and eunchan
yujin???? dios mios this woman loves kids!!!!!!
OH MY HOD 2007???
about the husband thing, for cfans its pretty normal to call them husband TT for female idols they call them wives which is 老婆. for some groups it’s kinda specific like for enhypen they call them young masters , 少爷. it’s just like normal ifans calling their bias their boyfriend ykwim
No wayyy I had no idea she was a sasaeng, I saw her on a street interview short😭😭😭