"That's dumb as shit" is stated as a fact in a direct response to a players move, which can easily be looked at as you calling them dumb on a personal level. Whether that is your intention or not. Especially if they are already insecure about messing up. Maybe focus your passion on good plays? Be pumped about cool things happening instead of being negative on bad plays. Truth be told, this kind of thing put me off of tournaments. I want to participate in one, but if I had to deal with someone saying my play is dumb as shit I would be pretty annoyed. Like its one thing to be competitive and want everyone to play well but its ultimately a multiplier social format GAME. When all I'm trying to do is have fun and push my limits, I'd personally respond pretty poorly to someone swearing at me.
@@chellthealchemist4751 Yeah and thousands of dollars are also at risk if you get yourself banned from tournaments because of unsportsmanlike conduct. It doesn't matter how unbelievable you think someone's play is, you can't resort to insults and yelling and berating people.
@@stormtrooperjeepjk idk if I agree with this because if you throw the game, you made your other 3 opponents possibly waste their money. People just need to state facts or what they know when politicking and not say anything anyone is doing is dumb as shit or whatever.
"It's not toxic that I care a lot." No, what's toxic is your response to those emotions that you're feeling. Might I recommend therapy? It can really help you with your responses to emotional situations, and as someone who has struggled with anger in the past, mindfulness is a powerful tool to remove yourself from the immediate situation and come back with a fresh take. Also, realizing that some situations can be out of your control, and really focusing on what you personally can do to control yourself through that uncontrollable situation is the best way to overcome the struggles that you are facing.
I would’ve liked to see more specifics of what went down in the pod where “the politics got loud”. Brian Coval said pretty clearly you were miserable to play with and he’s well liked and trusted in the Magic community.
I have played with Brian in a tEDH pod twice now, and while he can also be very passionate, me and him have similar politicking styles where we state what we believe is fact and what could happen. (Nothing is true fact without knowledge of all hidden information). He also went out of his way to never mention Wounded and Wounded ended up in his tweets.
@@NooorrriiiBrian referred to Wounded by the commanders he played (which he did for everyone in all his tweets) and stated exactly how he felt. Not sure where you’re going with this.
@@abrahamdrinkin2534He never once mentioned Wounded’s name in that tweet. It isn’t his fault that Wounded got all pissy and responded (or that he has a dumb alter that also outed him).
My biggest issue with Wounded in this video is that at no point did he actually apologize. He went out of his way to blame "politicking" and the community.
Why apologize when you did nothing wrong, he’s a passionate and well respected player there is no need to be sorry for telling people what is gonna happen and try to direct them
@@rogerrabbit132I have been coached by the guy a few times and from what I have gathered I think he is just passionate he can sometimes let it get away from him BUT it’s never meant to be mean or hurt anyones feelings. I think he is a good person just very competitive
Look I'm going to be honest I'm 26 minutes in and I just can't watch the rest. The only example that's been given is one where you said "That's dumb as shit". This seems more cut and dry than you're making it. You've gone beyond competitiveness into rudeness and you just have to apologize and promise to do better. This video was like 10% actually recognizing that you need to consider other people's feelings and 90% explaining away your behavior and acting like it was a judgment handed down to the entire CEDH community and not just you. Yes this does have ramifications for other people. But right now you just need to apologize, not speculate wildly about how this affects everyone as if you're the victim. Especially from the community's view who was not there and doesn't know anything except for what they've heard. You need to make it really simple for people if you want them to come back to your channel and your coaching and keep your livelihood. There's no reason why this should have been a 45 minute long discussion. A 10 or 15 minute apology video would have sufficed. This is just too much faffing about and explaining away your behavior for me. I'm not sure that I'm going to be coming back. I feel like the only way to rebound from this at this point is to make a very clear statement on social media about how you understand that these behaviors are not acceptable. And then leave it at that.
@@SHMITEY1 he put out a short statement that didn't say much and mostly said that he needed to think about his behavior and a longer statement will come later. If this is the longer statement that I'm not too impressed. All we needed to hear was a firm apology to the people that he hurt and not an extra 35 minutes of faffing around, acting like the victim, and generalizing this as if it's a condemnation on politics as a whole , rather than just a verdict based on his bad behavior. I was really looking forward to the longer statement because I figured it would just be an apology with nothing added to it to try to soften it or disperse the blame. I never figured it would be a 45-minute long podcast of diffusing and dispersing with a few sincere moments sprinkled in.
This was not meant to be a longer statement. This was a friend reaching out and offering to just have a short healthy conversation and update and clarify some things. Was not meant to be a statement. My initial statement included an apology to the community. I do not think every single thing I release needs to include an apology. I am sorry for anything I have done to anyone in this community that has made them feel anything negative. It has never been my intention to make anyone feel bad.
@@ColorsAreACrutch I'm glad your friend was able to be there for you during a hard time. But this is the first thing that most people have heard from you about this aside from your short Twitter statement, detailing that we will hear more soon. It just doesn't look good to release it as a podcast episode. This easily could have just been a private conversation with your friend. Most of this episode did just feel like rationalizing away your actions and getting consoled by a friend. While there were moments that felt very genuine, all of the rest of it that felt like you were excusing your actions really made the whole thing feel less sincere. I feel like it's way better PR to just do a short public apology video or a longer statement on twitter and then just be done with it publicly. I just don't think that this comes off very well personally.
Tone and delivery are big. I just state facts and try to stay calm. Instead of “that’s dumb as shit don’t do that” vs “resolving this cyclonic rift into a chimera will result in x and y.”
Yeah. Definitely be constructive in criticism. Instead of saying "hey don't do that, that's a dumb move" maybe "Hey, listen, I'm telling you as an experienced player, I think [such and such] might be a more optimal move. If you want me to, I can explain why." Then you're inviting the other player to learn something instead of telling them they don't know what they are doing .
So this point is very good. Funny enough I had a coaching session with wounded. Politics is something I asked him to help me with. Wounded have the exact example of you never want to to someone they’re stupid. Or the play they’re making is stupid. Even if it is. He knows in the moment he was wrong, and if I’m not mistaken he immediately tried to take what he said back. Knee jerk reactions happen sometimes. It’s a lot of pressure and even though he’s big in the community and an incredible player. He is still human. He made a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. That’s how we get better is learning from these mistakes. You’ll come back stronger then ever Max! I’ve never had anything but great times playing with you! Keep that beautiful bearded chin up my guy!
@@Sup3rf1y143 calling it a mistake and moving on is reductive and enabling. This ban is the culmination of multiple "mistakes" across multiple events. He can say one thing in coaching, but if he repeatedly goes against his own advice in actual practice, it points to a problem, and if he can't solve it himself, it is on the judges to solve it for him. I hope he can move forward, and do better in the future.
I was standing next to the table at cowtown where the controversial redemption pod took place. I wanted to mention that there was another player at the table that was constantly interrupting, yelling, and bringing a huge amount of attention to himself and the table and it wasn't Max. Max was engaging all players but not in a way that was combative or inappropriate. And then, when the guy that Max coaches punted the game and began welling up, Max took him to the side and consoled him to make sure he was ok and shield him from public embarrassment. I haven't played with Max a ton but he seems to be getting very little credit for the empathy he showed there. Either way, something obviously needs to change for him generally but I thought it was important to report what I witnessed in that game.
Something i learned long ago from a therapist (court ordered anger management and alcohol treatment program) "Look down at your feet and there you are" a week later adding "your choices and actions lead you to be here" and then later teaching the mantra of "Respond, dont react"
IF you have to worry about wether or not what you are saying is wthin the rules of what is allowed at tournament, you're already asking the wrong the question. I've made a video on this on my channel, but man you do not seem sorry for the way you spoke to others at all.
Thats a fair point. I'm in the figuring out phase of things right now, and I appreciate your insight. I think the purpose of this video was a bit misinterpreted. This video wasn't meant to be an apology video or any kind of statement, it was just a friend reaching out to have a conversation about where I am at with things. At this point I do wish I had taken the explicit time to give another apology as that is legitimately how I feel. Here I was just answering the questions I was asked. To be clear: I am sorry for the way I spoke to others and made them feel. My intentions have only ever been and will always continue to be solely positive.
Being "passionate" and "liking" politics does not mean you are "good" at politics. Wounded is a skilled player. Wounded likes politics. Doesn't mean he's good at politics. Every time I've seen him convince someone else of something had everything to do with skill based arguments. Every complaint about him I've seen is because he's bad at politics. The best salesmen have you smiling after the deal.
Generally speaking, its not always the words you say. Tone, body language, and volume are super important. I used to get really intense/competitive in games and it definitely turned some people away.
It's a little upsetting to see him try and rationalize through some of his behavior as "appropriate for some but not for others" and kind of describe a lot of it as behavior or emotion that's "misunderstood" by others. It's almost as if you're implying that you're more competitive than other people and that's the explanation for how you behave towards others in tournaments which is nonsense. Everyone is competitive. You have to draw a line with what you're willing to do in order to win -- and how you express yourself when you're upset because you can't win. This is partially the fault of a broken foundation of rules for CEDH right now which encourages people to step over the line like you did. If I've been in verbally abusive relationships throughout my childhood, I can't go to MTG events and verbally abuse players because that's what I'm familiar with and how I've learned to communicate. If you have people coming up to you after a game legitimately concerned and assuming you are mad at them over details of the game, there is 100% chance this is a you problem and you should probably drill down on that instead of focusing on trying to offer dialogue that can come off as an effort to save face. When your podcast co-host is coming out and stating that you essentially are overstepping and that this needed to happen, there's 100% chance that this is a you problem. When you say you need to "devote energy to masking emotion", what you need to do is control yourself -- and the fact that you're putting effort into making this more complicated than it really is makes it seem like you aren't familiar with the accountability you need to take. Considering how pro-politics you are, something you should consider is that you are actually making the concept of politics in CEDH look bad because you can't get away from yourself and demonstrate self control in these games and that's why you were given a timeout. You have a vibe of narcissism to you that most people seem to be aware of and you're going to have to learn how to be mindful of that and keep that at bay if you don't want to run into further issues. I apologize if this came off as critical of you and I completely believe you're capable of being better but this video was a bad example of accountability on your part.
The reality is, it's not hard to explain our perspective on what makes for objectively better play without being a prick. You are a good player, a good resource for the community, and I hope you can rein it in moving forward. I get the feeling that you don't believe you are in the wrong (pretty much at all), but I hope I'm wrong.
I think the main takeaway from the scenario is to make sure that youre filtering yourself before you speak. Often the first words are the most blunt, and to be fair mostly being mindful of your communication is as much to cover your ass as anything else. Seems like a bit of a signpost suspension, but an opportunity to reflect and improve is never a bad thing.
7/03 - Posts apology on Twitter about taking time to reflect on behavior/take time to outline steps to correct behavior. 7/10 - Posts 45 minute update video 7/13 - Enters Snowy Summit cEDH 5k anyway Not really seeing any actions that give any weight to any of the apologies/promises tbh. Seems more like an empty attempt to damage control than anything else.
@@HazardManTV I have been registered for Snowy Summit since March and that is not an event run by the TO’s I am suspended by. Being suspended from topdeck run events for 2 months does not mean I should not play in the other tournaments I am already signed up for.
@@ColorsAreACrutch Ok, but why not? You're stating your opinion as fact. You're also not explaining how your current actions to continue to play in a community one tournament organizer has suspended you from reflect that you're attempting to improve your behavior. It's my perception you'd take a break if you were remorseful rather than jumping right back in.
@@HazardManTV That is your perception and an opinion you are welcome to have. I am focused on working myself and my behavior. I personally do not think that my suspension from topdeck run events means I should cancel my trip to San Diego to play in Fishbowl next week or that I should have not participated in Snowy Summit here locally in Denver. In my personal opinion, and you are welcome to disagree with this, but kind of hard to work on adjusting how you handle yourself in tournament situations without putting yourself in tournament situations.
Man i disagree with both sides on one hand bro chill its only a game on the other hand, toughen up its only a game let people have their opinions someones gonna think you're good and your decks good sometimes its the opposite. The only problem i have with whats being said about Wounded is keep your hands to yourself. Respect other people's space and property.
@Sup3rf1y143 Good? Seems like a wake-up call to me. Time will tell if Wounded can rise up and overcome his own problems, and maybe he can have it all back in the end. But it takes work, and sometimes professional help.
I appreciate your transparency in this situation. You’re still in this community and you’re one of the people I still look up to you despite any qualms.
We need to go to Silent cEDH where we go back to how DCI/WotC used to run 2HG Alternating Teams theres no table talk aside from " pass priority" or announcement of doing something in response or "let me know before you move to combat phase" or "please announce your phases so people can use priority before moving on" no announcing cards in hand/hidden information no politics and about all that could be said was "can someone handle that" in response to a play
So this point is very good. Funny enough I had a coaching session with wounded. Politics is something I asked him to help me with. Wounded have the exact example of you never want to to someone they’re stupid. Or the play they’re making is stupid. Even if it is. He knows in the moment he was wrong, and if I’m not mistaken he immediately tried to take what he said back. Knee jerk reactions happen sometimes. It’s a lot of pressure and even though he’s big in the community and an incredible player. He is still human. He made a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. That’s how we get better is learning from these mistakes. You’ll come back stronger then ever Max! I’ve never had anything but great times playing with you! Keep that beautiful bearded chin up my guy!
I don’t see at any point in this video where wounded actually has any remorse or accountability for what he was banned for. Which is fine. This is a competitive sport at the highest levels. Think Jordan got to ask the refs to tell people to stop hacking him on the way to the rim? Nope.
The ban sucks. I can't say im a fan of woundeds play style, but i totally get that it's fair play for the game we play. With that said, i love the content. Keep playing. Come back bigger and stronger next year.
Hi Wounded i see the struggle in this video and trying to keep the emotions in check. Keep your head up man, grow from this in every way possible to become a better person, coach, and player. People will always be quick to judge but remember mature friends and family will come along side you to show you the love and grace you need. Ive had one coaching session with you and have watched all of your videos. I could see how your passion for cedh could come through a certain way but through this video you can tell a wake up call has happened for you. I hope you see this suspension as an opportunity to grow in the areas needed. You can do this man and if there is any advise i can give it would " be quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to become angry". Wish you the best man.
Nice response video, Max. ❤ Very sad you won’t be able to go for the crown this year, but also very happy for you to evolve! Spiteplays always has the tea lol🍵
The problem with this game being 99% introverts means if you are that 1% that openly speaks your mind/opinion with confidence, and have had a slightly rougher upbringing, then you are often looked at as aggressive. Which it is often not. I have lost count of the amount of times I have suggested someone not waste X on Y, only to have them staring at me like a deer in headlights. And I am SO far from being upset it's not funny. Swearing is the big thing, the second you throw a Fk into a heated conversation it becomes something else. Them's fighting words, brother. And this is where the 99% introverts comes back onto it i think, as they will choose flight over fight at every opportunity. Insert a philosophical quote here, i cant think of one 🍻
You can be an extrovert and still treat others respectfully. If this wasn’t an isolated incident, how can you blame the more sensitive players in the situation? But 100% agree that swearing only escalates the situation.
Trust me fucks are thrown all the time but it’s all about the tone, moment and delivery. I never played against Wounded, but I curse all the time and several people also curse at the table there’s a different between “I’m out of this fucking game” and “what you’re doing is fucking stupid” you know?
Agree with both of you, delivery is everything. I am not taking sides. I don't know enough about the situation to go that far. I swear like a trooper too. Just my appearance can come across as intimidating to some people. Which is all I was trying to do; explain that a +6ft tall, confidant, fit, tanned man with a beard saying the word Fk in the exact same way, tone and situation as a shorter, less confident, pale, unfit guy with baby face can, and will be, received completely differently. It's the human condition. And it's just unfortunate if you are the former in a room full of the latter, because you need to recognise that.
I spent all of my 20's chasing my dream of playing professional paintball and I learned an immense amount about myself trying to flourish in such a cut throat environment. I am very passionate about competition but I have found there is an enormous difference between the nature of players in these two worlds and it has been a difficult adjustment for me as a guy who is used to chirping at opponents and playing mind games. In either competitive forum there is no excuse for being out right abusive to other players but in my mind there is a clear line between being a strong competitor and being abusive. Looking at Max's example of the Cyc rift Chimera situation, to me that reads as someone making a mistake and getting called on it and then getting their feelings hurt. Even if the choice of words isn't ideal it does not and will never read to me as a direct and personal attack on someone. I guess my point is I don't see his conduct as ban worthy and now because of the Internet dog piling this guy it's hurting his livelihood. It feels wrong in this situation. Also disclaimer I have played against Max twice in events, he won both games and he was active in player discussion and there was a brief moment he and another player argued over countering another player's spell. Never once did I see his actions as ban worthy. I think Max should take some time to be introspective and figure out his path forward. I hope to see him making more content and top4ing events again in the very near future.
While I genuinely appreciate and applaud wounded’s response and self awareness for the need to grow. This feels like a miss or a “signpost banning” from topdeck. I hope nothing but excellent things for Wounded moving forward. He’s an all star on behalf of the community and shouldn’t let this hiccup impact his passion and love of the game. Keep your chin up Max!
This world has become extremely soft, if you follow you will make it even worse. Don't apologize, say 'Things happened' or 'Mistakes were made'. Be you Max.
The only L comment here is yours. Throwing around terms like "snowflakes" when people are saying that your actions are disrespectful is just not an acceptable position, buddy.
After watching many videos with Wounded and having been coached by him, i honestly feel like this is an overreaction to a situation. Yes, the powers to be at any tournament or event should step in and investigate these situations and handle them to the best of their abilities. I agree that people should take others' feelings into account and attempt to adjust accordingly. However, that goes both ways. To say that, Max is 100% the issue is crazy. He takes ownership of the issue, and that shows maturity. At the same time, we need to understand that people have different personalities and attitudes. We can't expect everyone to conform to a single mindset. That is what makes commander a great format, seeing how everyone is different and can still come together! We need diversity in people and play styles. I've had games with aggressive, laid back, straight-up liars lol and everyone in-between. Just enjoy your time and learn from every game and player. I want people to be invested the games we play, and that means having everyone at the table and being them selves. Max has my support! This is a learning opportunity for everyone, not just Max. I really hope you dont let this beat you down man. Keep up the great work and fantastic vids.
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It's not about devoting energy to masking emotion. It's about recognizing your emotion and the appropriate way to express it.
"That's dumb as shit" is stated as a fact in a direct response to a players move, which can easily be looked at as you calling them dumb on a personal level. Whether that is your intention or not. Especially if they are already insecure about messing up.
Maybe focus your passion on good plays? Be pumped about cool things happening instead of being negative on bad plays.
Truth be told, this kind of thing put me off of tournaments. I want to participate in one, but if I had to deal with someone saying my play is dumb as shit I would be pretty annoyed. Like its one thing to be competitive and want everyone to play well but its ultimately a multiplier social format GAME. When all I'm trying to do is have fun and push my limits, I'd personally respond pretty poorly to someone swearing at me.
Don’t let this deter you! He got suspended for a reason, this is not the norm.
How about not taking everything on a personal level….. the intent as he stated was the disbelief at a play where thousands of dollars are at risk
@@chellthealchemist4751 Yeah and thousands of dollars are also at risk if you get yourself banned from tournaments because of unsportsmanlike conduct. It doesn't matter how unbelievable you think someone's play is, you can't resort to insults and yelling and berating people.
Pretty much this, I spent my money to join ... Let me make my own mistakes..... It's the only way I'll learn
@@stormtrooperjeepjk idk if I agree with this because if you throw the game, you made your other 3 opponents possibly waste their money. People just need to state facts or what they know when politicking and not say anything anyone is doing is dumb as shit or whatever.
"It's not toxic that I care a lot." No, what's toxic is your response to those emotions that you're feeling. Might I recommend therapy? It can really help you with your responses to emotional situations, and as someone who has struggled with anger in the past, mindfulness is a powerful tool to remove yourself from the immediate situation and come back with a fresh take. Also, realizing that some situations can be out of your control, and really focusing on what you personally can do to control yourself through that uncontrollable situation is the best way to overcome the struggles that you are facing.
Behavioral and cognitive function as well as occupational would help in more aspects than most wanna admit
I would’ve liked to see more specifics of what went down in the pod where “the politics got loud”. Brian Coval said pretty clearly you were miserable to play with and he’s well liked and trusted in the Magic community.
I have played with Brian in a tEDH pod twice now, and while he can also be very passionate, me and him have similar politicking styles where we state what we believe is fact and what could happen. (Nothing is true fact without knowledge of all hidden information). He also went out of his way to never mention Wounded and Wounded ended up in his tweets.
@@NooorrriiiBrian referred to Wounded by the commanders he played (which he did for everyone in all his tweets) and stated exactly how he felt. Not sure where you’re going with this.
@@abrahamdrinkin2534 never stated his name though, I get what you’re saying though.
@@NooorrriiiAlso, Brian has never been suspended for his behavior. Trying liken him and Wounded for being passionate feels a little disingenuous.
@@abrahamdrinkin2534He never once mentioned Wounded’s name in that tweet. It isn’t his fault that Wounded got all pissy and responded (or that he has a dumb alter that also outed him).
My biggest issue with Wounded in this video is that at no point did he actually apologize. He went out of his way to blame "politicking" and the community.
Why apologize when you did nothing wrong, he’s a passionate and well respected player there is no need to be sorry for telling people what is gonna happen and try to direct them
@@N3VVZ0MThe douche outed himself on Twitter in Coval’s thread and the Sperling finished him off. “Passionate”? Lol okay. He sucks.
@@N3VVZ0M there's a difference in passion and douchebaggery. He's riding that line from the sound of it.
@@rogerrabbit132 if you can’t handle the heat get out of the chefs kitchen
@@rogerrabbit132I have been coached by the guy a few times and from what I have gathered I think he is just passionate he can sometimes let it get away from him BUT it’s never meant to be mean or hurt anyones feelings. I think he is a good person just very competitive
Look I'm going to be honest I'm 26 minutes in and I just can't watch the rest.
The only example that's been given is one where you said "That's dumb as shit". This seems more cut and dry than you're making it.
You've gone beyond competitiveness into rudeness and you just have to apologize and promise to do better.
This video was like 10% actually recognizing that you need to consider other people's feelings and 90% explaining away your behavior and acting like it was a judgment handed down to the entire CEDH community and not just you.
Yes this does have ramifications for other people.
But right now you just need to apologize, not speculate wildly about how this affects everyone as if you're the victim. Especially from the community's view who was not there and doesn't know anything except for what they've heard. You need to make it really simple for people if you want them to come back to your channel and your coaching and keep your livelihood.
There's no reason why this should have been a 45 minute long discussion. A 10 or 15 minute apology video would have sufficed.
This is just too much faffing about and explaining away your behavior for me. I'm not sure that I'm going to be coming back.
I feel like the only way to rebound from this at this point is to make a very clear statement on social media about how you understand that these behaviors are not acceptable. And then leave it at that.
He already did this
@@SHMITEY1 he put out a short statement that didn't say much and mostly said that he needed to think about his behavior and a longer statement will come later. If this is the longer statement that I'm not too impressed.
All we needed to hear was a firm apology to the people that he hurt and not an extra 35 minutes of faffing around, acting like the victim, and generalizing this as if it's a condemnation on politics as a whole , rather than just a verdict based on his bad behavior.
I was really looking forward to the longer statement because I figured it would just be an apology with nothing added to it to try to soften it or disperse the blame. I never figured it would be a 45-minute long podcast of diffusing and dispersing with a few sincere moments sprinkled in.
This was not meant to be a longer statement. This was a friend reaching out and offering to just have a short healthy conversation and update and clarify some things. Was not meant to be a statement. My initial statement included an apology to the community. I do not think every single thing I release needs to include an apology. I am sorry for anything I have done to anyone in this community that has made them feel anything negative. It has never been my intention to make anyone feel bad.
@@ColorsAreACrutch I'm glad your friend was able to be there for you during a hard time.
But this is the first thing that most people have heard from you about this aside from your short Twitter statement, detailing that we will hear more soon. It just doesn't look good to release it as a podcast episode. This easily could have just been a private conversation with your friend.
Most of this episode did just feel like rationalizing away your actions and getting consoled by a friend. While there were moments that felt very genuine, all of the rest of it that felt like you were excusing your actions really made the whole thing feel less sincere.
I feel like it's way better PR to just do a short public apology video or a longer statement on twitter and then just be done with it publicly.
I just don't think that this comes off very well personally.
Tone and delivery are big. I just state facts and try to stay calm. Instead of “that’s dumb as shit don’t do that” vs “resolving this cyclonic rift into a chimera will result in x and y.”
Yeah. Definitely be constructive in criticism. Instead of saying "hey don't do that, that's a dumb move" maybe "Hey, listen, I'm telling you as an experienced player, I think [such and such] might be a more optimal move. If you want me to, I can explain why."
Then you're inviting the other player to learn something instead of telling them they don't know what they are doing .
So this point is very good. Funny enough I had a coaching session with wounded. Politics is something I asked him to help me with. Wounded have the exact example of you never want to to someone they’re stupid. Or the play they’re making is stupid. Even if it is.
He knows in the moment he was wrong, and if I’m not mistaken he immediately tried to take what he said back. Knee jerk reactions happen sometimes. It’s a lot of pressure and even though he’s big in the community and an incredible player. He is still human. He made a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. That’s how we get better is learning from these mistakes.
You’ll come back stronger then ever Max! I’ve never had anything but great times playing with you! Keep that beautiful bearded chin up my guy!
@@Sup3rf1y143 calling it a mistake and moving on is reductive and enabling. This ban is the culmination of multiple "mistakes" across multiple events. He can say one thing in coaching, but if he repeatedly goes against his own advice in actual practice, it points to a problem, and if he can't solve it himself, it is on the judges to solve it for him. I hope he can move forward, and do better in the future.
@@Sup3rf1y143 this is why I say this is going to take time for him to grow because having this be second nature is going to take a bit.
100%. This specific scenario was a knee jerk reaction that I immediately apologized in the moment for. It is not the norm of how I talk.
If anyone tries to play my deck for me, I’m picking up my cards and flipping the table
"Do you understand how this deck works?" Can come across as condescending and sound like another way of insulting someone's decision making.
I was standing next to the table at cowtown where the controversial redemption pod took place. I wanted to mention that there was another player at the table that was constantly interrupting, yelling, and bringing a huge amount of attention to himself and the table and it wasn't Max. Max was engaging all players but not in a way that was combative or inappropriate. And then, when the guy that Max coaches punted the game and began welling up, Max took him to the side and consoled him to make sure he was ok and shield him from public embarrassment.
I haven't played with Max a ton but he seems to be getting very little credit for the empathy he showed there. Either way, something obviously needs to change for him generally but I thought it was important to report what I witnessed in that game.
Something i learned long ago from a therapist (court ordered anger management and alcohol treatment program) "Look down at your feet and there you are" a week later adding "your choices and actions lead you to be here" and then later teaching the mantra of "Respond, dont react"
IF you have to worry about wether or not what you are saying is wthin the rules of what is allowed at tournament, you're already asking the wrong the question. I've made a video on this on my channel, but man you do not seem sorry for the way you spoke to others at all.
Thats a fair point. I'm in the figuring out phase of things right now, and I appreciate your insight. I think the purpose of this video was a bit misinterpreted. This video wasn't meant to be an apology video or any kind of statement, it was just a friend reaching out to have a conversation about where I am at with things. At this point I do wish I had taken the explicit time to give another apology as that is legitimately how I feel. Here I was just answering the questions I was asked. To be clear: I am sorry for the way I spoke to others and made them feel. My intentions have only ever been and will always continue to be solely positive.
@@ColorsAreACrutch doing a shorter explicit apology would go a long way to clear up the confusion that this video generated.
Being "passionate" and "liking" politics does not mean you are "good" at politics.
Wounded is a skilled player. Wounded likes politics. Doesn't mean he's good at politics.
Every time I've seen him convince someone else of something had everything to do with skill based arguments.
Every complaint about him I've seen is because he's bad at politics.
The best salesmen have you smiling after the deal.
Generally speaking, its not always the words you say. Tone, body language, and volume are super important. I used to get really intense/competitive in games and it definitely turned some people away.
It's a little upsetting to see him try and rationalize through some of his behavior as "appropriate for some but not for others" and kind of describe a lot of it as behavior or emotion that's "misunderstood" by others. It's almost as if you're implying that you're more competitive than other people and that's the explanation for how you behave towards others in tournaments which is nonsense. Everyone is competitive. You have to draw a line with what you're willing to do in order to win -- and how you express yourself when you're upset because you can't win. This is partially the fault of a broken foundation of rules for CEDH right now which encourages people to step over the line like you did.
If I've been in verbally abusive relationships throughout my childhood, I can't go to MTG events and verbally abuse players because that's what I'm familiar with and how I've learned to communicate. If you have people coming up to you after a game legitimately concerned and assuming you are mad at them over details of the game, there is 100% chance this is a you problem and you should probably drill down on that instead of focusing on trying to offer dialogue that can come off as an effort to save face. When your podcast co-host is coming out and stating that you essentially are overstepping and that this needed to happen, there's 100% chance that this is a you problem.
When you say you need to "devote energy to masking emotion", what you need to do is control yourself -- and the fact that you're putting effort into making this more complicated than it really is makes it seem like you aren't familiar with the accountability you need to take.
Considering how pro-politics you are, something you should consider is that you are actually making the concept of politics in CEDH look bad because you can't get away from yourself and demonstrate self control in these games and that's why you were given a timeout. You have a vibe of narcissism to you that most people seem to be aware of and you're going to have to learn how to be mindful of that and keep that at bay if you don't want to run into further issues. I apologize if this came off as critical of you and I completely believe you're capable of being better but this video was a bad example of accountability on your part.
The reality is, it's not hard to explain our perspective on what makes for objectively better play without being a prick. You are a good player, a good resource for the community, and I hope you can rein it in moving forward. I get the feeling that you don't believe you are in the wrong (pretty much at all), but I hope I'm wrong.
I think the main takeaway from the scenario is to make sure that youre filtering yourself before you speak. Often the first words are the most blunt, and to be fair mostly being mindful of your communication is as much to cover your ass as anything else. Seems like a bit of a signpost suspension, but an opportunity to reflect and improve is never a bad thing.
7/03 - Posts apology on Twitter about taking time to reflect on behavior/take time to outline steps to correct behavior.
7/10 - Posts 45 minute update video
7/13 - Enters Snowy Summit cEDH 5k anyway
Not really seeing any actions that give any weight to any of the apologies/promises tbh. Seems more like an empty attempt to damage control than anything else.
@@HazardManTV I have been registered for Snowy Summit since March and that is not an event run by the TO’s I am suspended by. Being suspended from topdeck run events for 2 months does not mean I should not play in the other tournaments I am already signed up for.
@@ColorsAreACrutch Ok, but why not? You're stating your opinion as fact. You're also not explaining how your current actions to continue to play in a community one tournament organizer has suspended you from reflect that you're attempting to improve your behavior. It's my perception you'd take a break if you were remorseful rather than jumping right back in.
@@HazardManTV That is your perception and an opinion you are welcome to have. I am focused on working myself and my behavior. I personally do not think that my suspension from topdeck run events means I should cancel my trip to San Diego to play in Fishbowl next week or that I should have not participated in Snowy Summit here locally in Denver. In my personal opinion, and you are welcome to disagree with this, but kind of hard to work on adjusting how you handle yourself in tournament situations without putting yourself in tournament situations.
Is the crutch over
Don't understand what he did? Do people not understand what a competitive environment is? Its not for everyone.
Appreciate youJesse and Max. Wishing Wounded comes out the other side of this a stronger competitor but moreover a more resilient and better man.
Man i disagree with both sides on one hand bro chill its only a game on the other hand, toughen up its only a game let people have their opinions someones gonna think you're good and your decks good sometimes its the opposite.
The only problem i have with whats being said about Wounded is keep your hands to yourself. Respect other people's space and property.
Why are we treating this like a funeral? Such somber tones and such. It's nice that you come forward with an explanation but come on.
He lost income and an image. This ban is detrimental to his current life style.
@Sup3rf1y143 Good? Seems like a wake-up call to me. Time will tell if Wounded can rise up and overcome his own problems, and maybe he can have it all back in the end. But it takes work, and sometimes professional help.
@@Sup3rf1y143 suspension*
I’m confused.What exactly happened to wounded satellite or what did he do?
He’s banned from the big topdeck events for the rest of the year due to unsportsmanlike conduct
@@thelordethan3682 Oh. That’s unfortunate.
I appreciate your transparency in this situation. You’re still in this community and you’re one of the people I still look up to you despite any qualms.
Some of y'all expect him to be crying and on his knees apologizing or something.
We need to go to Silent cEDH where we go back to how DCI/WotC used to run 2HG Alternating Teams theres no table talk aside from " pass priority" or announcement of doing something in response or "let me know before you move to combat phase" or "please announce your phases so people can use priority before moving on" no announcing cards in hand/hidden information no politics and about all that could be said was "can someone handle that" in response to a play
It's been done at a few events in Japan/China and a couple in the USA that had like 40 ish players and it makes the fame vastly better and different
So this point is very good. Funny enough I had a coaching session with wounded. Politics is something I asked him to help me with. Wounded have the exact example of you never want to to someone they’re stupid. Or the play they’re making is stupid. Even if it is.
He knows in the moment he was wrong, and if I’m not mistaken he immediately tried to take what he said back. Knee jerk reactions happen sometimes. It’s a lot of pressure and even though he’s big in the community and an incredible player. He is still human. He made a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. That’s how we get better is learning from these mistakes.
You’ll come back stronger then ever Max! I’ve never had anything but great times playing with you! Keep that beautiful bearded chin up my guy!
I don’t see at any point in this video where wounded actually has any remorse or accountability for what he was banned for.
Which is fine. This is a competitive sport at the highest levels. Think Jordan got to ask the refs to tell people to stop hacking him on the way to the rim? Nope.
cEDH as a competitive sport at the highest level. Now that’s comedy.
The ban sucks. I can't say im a fan of woundeds play style, but i totally get that it's fair play for the game we play.
With that said, i love the content. Keep playing. Come back bigger and stronger next year.
Maybe WS was mad nadu took more game actions than his kinnan?
Doubt it Kinnan is land pass
Sounds like you know what you need to do.Good luck bud
This just another obstacle to surpass in life. Learn, be better and keep on shuffling. Hoping for more content soon.
Hi Wounded i see the struggle in this video and trying to keep the emotions in check. Keep your head up man, grow from this in every way possible to become a better person, coach, and player. People will always be quick to judge but remember mature friends and family will come along side you to show you the love and grace you need. Ive had one coaching session with you and have watched all of your videos. I could see how your passion for cedh could come through a certain way but through this video you can tell a wake up call has happened for you. I hope you see this suspension as an opportunity to grow in the areas needed. You can do this man and if there is any advise i can give it would " be quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to become angry". Wish you the best man.
Looking forward to the next coaching session with you Wounded 👍
Growing is never easy, but own your mistakes to better yourself for your sake first. Being a better player/ competitor will come naturally after that
Nice response video, Max. ❤
Very sad you won’t be able to go for the crown this year, but also very happy for you to evolve! Spiteplays always has the tea lol🍵
Maybe call up Trader Joe's my guy
Respect. You got this- you one of the main reasons I got back into cEDH
The problem with this game being 99% introverts means if you are that 1% that openly speaks your mind/opinion with confidence, and have had a slightly rougher upbringing, then you are often looked at as aggressive. Which it is often not. I have lost count of the amount of times I have suggested someone not waste X on Y, only to have them staring at me like a deer in headlights. And I am SO far from being upset it's not funny.
Swearing is the big thing, the second you throw a Fk into a heated conversation it becomes something else. Them's fighting words, brother. And this is where the 99% introverts comes back onto it i think, as they will choose flight over fight at every opportunity.
Insert a philosophical quote here, i cant think of one 🍻
Well said my friend! ✊🏾
You can be an extrovert and still treat others respectfully. If this wasn’t an isolated incident, how can you blame the more sensitive players in the situation? But 100% agree that swearing only escalates the situation.
Trust me fucks are thrown all the time but it’s all about the tone, moment and delivery. I never played against Wounded, but I curse all the time and several people also curse at the table there’s a different between “I’m out of this fucking game” and “what you’re doing is fucking stupid” you know?
Agree with both of you, delivery is everything. I am not taking sides. I don't know enough about the situation to go that far.
I swear like a trooper too. Just my appearance can come across as intimidating to some people. Which is all I was trying to do; explain that a +6ft tall, confidant, fit, tanned man with a beard saying the word Fk in the exact same way, tone and situation as a shorter, less confident, pale, unfit guy with baby face can, and will be, received completely differently. It's the human condition. And it's just unfortunate if you are the former in a room full of the latter, because you need to recognise that.
@@brendans1983 he's a spoiled rich kid so I doubt he's had a "rough upbringing" more like narcissistic tendencies and not used to not getting his way.
Well put brotha look forward to your triumphant return 🎉
I spent all of my 20's chasing my dream of playing professional paintball and I learned an immense amount about myself trying to flourish in such a cut throat environment. I am very passionate about competition but I have found there is an enormous difference between the nature of players in these two worlds and it has been a difficult adjustment for me as a guy who is used to chirping at opponents and playing mind games. In either competitive forum there is no excuse for being out right abusive to other players but in my mind there is a clear line between being a strong competitor and being abusive. Looking at Max's example of the Cyc rift Chimera situation, to me that reads as someone making a mistake and getting called on it and then getting their feelings hurt. Even if the choice of words isn't ideal it does not and will never read to me as a direct and personal attack on someone. I guess my point is I don't see his conduct as ban worthy and now because of the Internet dog piling this guy it's hurting his livelihood. It feels wrong in this situation. Also disclaimer I have played against Max twice in events, he won both games and he was active in player discussion and there was a brief moment he and another player argued over countering another player's spell. Never once did I see his actions as ban worthy. I think Max should take some time to be introspective and figure out his path forward. I hope to see him making more content and top4ing events again in the very near future.
Love you man, can’t wait to see you back!!!
Honestly I agree with wounded it was a bad move this is CEDH here play to win and play correctly.
While I genuinely appreciate and applaud wounded’s response and self awareness for the need to grow. This feels like a miss or a “signpost banning” from topdeck. I hope nothing but excellent things for Wounded moving forward. He’s an all star on behalf of the community and shouldn’t let this hiccup impact his passion and love of the game. Keep your chin up Max!
If Wounded is telling the truth, this ban is ridiculous
I'm a fan of the channel and hope to see it continue. Good luck with your journey moving forward ❤
People are too soft.
Maybe you’re just too hardheaded
This world has become extremely soft, if you follow you will make it even worse. Don't apologize, say 'Things happened' or 'Mistakes were made'. Be you Max.
Chin up brother, you'll be back and better then ever
I think it's crazy you're being punished because other people are soft
Men cry?
I cyclonic rift that comment back to your hand 😂
No, no they don’t
Kinda funny all yall talking shxx on TH-cam why not actually do something creative with your time 😂🤷♂️
❤❤❤❤eternal support for you Max, tons of L comments from snowflakes
The only L comment here is yours. Throwing around terms like "snowflakes" when people are saying that your actions are disrespectful is just not an acceptable position, buddy.
@@a.velderrain8849 now wipe the tears off your keyboard, softy
@@a.velderrain8849 ok snowflake
Poor special snowflakes have to deal with someone with a personality - this is utterly ridiculous
"someone with a personality" is someone that multiple players at the event have called a dickhead
@@MisterWebb yea! Let's yell buzz words! That'll show em!
Wounded gonna come back better than ever. Aint no thang but a chicken wing
After watching many videos with Wounded and having been coached by him, i honestly feel like this is an overreaction to a situation. Yes, the powers to be at any tournament or event should step in and investigate these situations and handle them to the best of their abilities. I agree that people should take others' feelings into account and attempt to adjust accordingly. However, that goes both ways. To say that, Max is 100% the issue is crazy. He takes ownership of the issue, and that shows maturity. At the same time, we need to understand that people have different personalities and attitudes. We can't expect everyone to conform to a single mindset. That is what makes commander a great format, seeing how everyone is different and can still come together! We need diversity in people and play styles. I've had games with aggressive, laid back, straight-up liars lol and everyone in-between. Just enjoy your time and learn from every game and player. I want people to be invested the games we play, and that means having everyone at the table and being them selves. Max has my support! This is a learning opportunity for everyone, not just Max. I really hope you dont let this beat you down man. Keep up the great work and fantastic vids.