Skilling is dying...but we can save it
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 พ.ค. 2023
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In this video we discuss some of the issues skilling in Old School RuneScape has faced in recent years. Currently we have seen prices for common skilling goods plummet with no hope of resurrection. Is there anything we can do to help save skilling and make it profitable again?
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"That 500 coal you got from a vorkath kill" boom there is the issue right there. U get all skilling items from bosses. Makes 0 sense. You know how long it takes to actually mine 500 coal? A good amount of time.
Why would a high level player want to go sit and mine fucking coal. Dead boring content. Skilling needs high end gameplay that can somewhat match what bosses can do
Not enough of people skill to even the market out. So. It is what it is.
@RamminRanch that's not how it works the more people that start mining with all the boss drops would send the eco down even more
@@RamminRanch brother if coal was 600 gp ea there would be plenty of miners.
@@Turkingtang and it isnt because bosses drop noted coal so why would anybody mine it? thats his whole point.... "evening out the market" by over saturating it even more isnt how it works
I'm glad I'm an Ironman. Every piece of content is still alive to me.
I really like the idea of the alternating drop tables for drops & peaks of common items.
Sadly they jumped the shark when they released zulrah. At this point I sadly doubt it can be realistically fixed.
Yup. Skilling was never super profitable, but it officially died on 1/8/15 with the money snake release. Since then the raid/boss drops for skilling items have gotten exponentially more absurd.
I mean, why would I ever craft a death rune when I can go kill Muspah for a 1/22 chance at a stack of 428 death runes lmao
Pretty much if we took skilling and instead of giving skilling outfits a negligible xp bonus and instead increased recourses acquired or did anything to further skilling and not throw it on to a drop table would be great.
We'll save skilling, with skilling bosses that we kill! So... killing... skilling.
Nice video!
giving resources from bosses at all makes zero sense, besides herbs. Would a getting Boss items from skilling make sense?
I think it would be a good idea to just get rid of skilling supplies from bosses or mobs in general unless it thematically makes sense. Like druids and moss giants dropping herbs.
Druids already botted as it is this well just make it worse
@@lowkey1202 it is unfortunate, but i think its worth it
exactly, you wouldnt get boss drops from skiling
the mistake was made a long time ago.
Its suppose to be an economy game where people rely on other peoples skills.
Magic logs should only come from magic trees.
Zulrah should only have a drop table of uniques and snake skin.
Unfortunately i believe jagex tried this with nightmare boss, which then everyone complained because it costed too much in supplies and little to no supply drops (WHICH IS EXACTLY HOW BOSSING SHOULD BE)
Fishing supplies should only come from people fishing
Bloods/deaths/natures should only come from runecrafting
Coal, runite, addy ore should only come from mining.
Sadly everything comes from slayer now, slayer should only grant access to fighting monsters that only drop uniques/rares.
If supply drops were removed from bosses, their unique/rare drops would be far more valuable considering the cost of supplies to obtain those rares.
personally i don't do bandos for the sole reason you rely on rng to get a unique item that's supposed to cover your supplies and bring profit for your time spent there. zulrah and vorkath on consistent money makers hence more reliable source of profit. at the expense of driving down supply items' price. i do agree they should do something about it. but removing common drops would definitely demotivate a lot of pvmers of doing bosses and they're sure as hell not turning to skilling for profit.
Hard agree. That's how it was back in the day and absolutely everyone loved it.
God wars is just like that. Nightmare as well, as you mentioned.
exactly, monsters only dropped herbs and gear. Or the rare monster that uniquely drops a resource, like banshees dropping pure essence. but people want ironman to be easier or something
@@XowntXihqX i dont believe it would de motivate pvmers, the removal of common drops to cover supplies would increase the price of the unique/rare considering how much in supplies it would cost to obtain that rare
@@XowntXihqX Yeah. Removing common drops will demotivate people from bossing but at the same time NOT REMOVING IT also fucks over the skiller community. If we were to GO BACK it was Jagex's fault in the first place for doing this.
Jagex having/making decision on how item prices rise and fall on a weekly/monthly basis without a substantial update being the cause? No thanks…. We can’t even have members of the company not abuse their power and be corrupt, and that’s on a yearly basis… seriously think about that. EVERY YEAR, for the past 3-4, THERE HAS BEEN A JAGEX EMPLOYEE IN HIGH POWER ABUSING THE PLAYERBASE AND GAME ITSELF.
No to the drop table changes
It was more of a thought experiment than a realistic suggestion but yes there has been a lot of power abuse in recent years.
Not to mention skulking bosses, zalcano tempeross etc
Or just find make more uses for the materials you get from pvm, thieving, and pvp. I say this because most of the items you get from the activities have one use only. Flax makes bowstrings, seeds make certain plants, logs make bows, and ores are used for smithing. And some materials don’t even have a use like cabbage, bananas, raw bird meat, and some root types.
So just make some more uses imo. Revive brewing, add new spells, make vegetable food give a buff. Do something to get rid of these easily farmable resources.
Wait til you hear about Wintertodt, Tempoross etc etc
Yep I was thinking of rotating loot a couple weeks ago. idk if it would work tho.
I wish we could work we jagex I wish we could man
i personally think its cuz pvming is late game content and skilling is more of a stepping stone so u can do late game content. for example ironmen game mode shows how you need to skill first before ideally starting to get into the pvming scene
Skilling needs a re work for every skill , change all meta's for skilling :) that would revampe it , make skilling generally all around better , what worked when this game came out well not work now
Look at the most recent poll...people like PVM the most. Skilling will never be profitable until it can't be easily botted.
In order to make skilling make comparable money for a sustainable period of a time would require a massive rework to skilling making all high level skilling much more different. It would have to be very dynamic and skill based like the hallowed sepulcher.
zulhra killed skilling zolcano ruined mining can we just take all skilling items off drop tables at least the basic ones that can be gathered manually replace it with noted runeplatbodies and dragon meds mabey leave the ones no one wants to do again that make sense to keep cheap like essence and flax , but does kbd really need to be dropping yew logs? I would be just as happy with a few alchables mabey make it so only irons recieve these drops? Idk it does suck tho and blast furnace costing half coal is bogus mabey instead of paying the dwarves in gp it could be paid in coal instead as a item sink to help balance things out a little ? It seems like everyone knows what caused the problems so how hard is it really to fix?
wouldn't effect much... bots would capitalize on the increased prices and devalue it anyway
I think the grand exchange is partly to blame as well. If you removed the grand exchange aspect, more players will most likely opt to keep the resources so they don’t have to depend on other people who may not even be selling that item at the time/ being price gouged. I know it’s super convenient but I miss the days with out it. It was a better community and you kept friends longer since that was potentially the only way to find a resource faster. Not to mention bots can do their thing, and just dump it on the grand exchange. If it went back to player trading player, the bot owner would have to sell everything themselves or risk a bot selling it and getting reported/ban.
so you enjoy using 10hours of your life to sell an item? you would need bulks and bulks. the economy is 10yrs old, obviously there will be many and many materials and so on.
Despite what you think, the grand exchange has benefitted the game more than it has negatively impacted it.
@@scaper98 Have you played Dark and Darker? Their market system is very reminiscent of old RS trading, while having an inbuilt system that allows to quickly finding offers that are available. IT doesn't show average prices like the GE currently does and instead requires you as the player to have an understanding of the value of items, just as RS used to be. I think a similar system could work really well in RS but it'll never happen now.
Here here, it would add more life to the game. Plus general stores would be revamped. And anything is better than seeing an entire world stuck at the ge
Yeah theirs this theme of how quickly you can develop RSI = better xp rates. I also feel that blast furnace just needs to be removed or nerfed into the ground. The fact running back and forth smithing gold bars from lvl 40-99 is the most efficient method by miles is just dumb.
As someone who did 99 smithing with gold ore, I totally agree.
It was fast, but it was completely one dimensional. It was the exact same thing, same room, same action, same item for millions of XP.
A short, but miserable experience.
You do mean disrespect to us skillers!!! And you want us to die!
they're doing a good job with the mini games imo
They are. The mini games like GoTR, sepulcher, and Tempoross have made skilling much more interesting.
Just play ironman 🗿
Remove skilling drops from PVM and remove GE.
Honestly i think the GE just needs to go. Why skill when someone else can skill and sell you the resources. Now obviously player trading still exists, but it just takes a bit more effort.
Or even cooler of an idea, player owned stores in their homes?!?!?
then we go back to the zybez days, where it's just the ge with extra steps
Nah, the G.E is the best. It's not 2001 anymore we don't have time to be standing next to varrock castle spamming text in flash2:
Just fix broken boss tables that flood resources into the game and invest in an anti-cheating team that actually does something. Zillions of bots running around on the same world day in day out for weeks with thousands of kc and nothing done.
I saw a bot at rune dragons with 12k graador kills. That is the type of thing that will ruin an economy.
Skilling should never compete with pvm. Its not possible and shouldnt ever be possible. If you want to expend the effort to kill stuff, you deserve better rewards.
Some skilling methods require more clicking and attention span than some bosses, and yet the rewards for those efforts is almost never going to be anywhere close to even half of those bosses.
@@jonathan0322 And they never should, Idiot.