If you wanna chat with others, ask questions, or suggest videos, consider joining the Blue Head Mafia Discord! discord.gg/9UtzbBdBj3 Something big that I forgot to take into account is that the Engineer's sentries don't get buffed by the Commander or DJ With the Commander's 25% buff, the Accelerator has an average DPS of 260.4125. With the ability, the Accelerator has an average DPS of 322.9115 While the Engineer still has a higher DPS, the Accelerator also benefits from the DJ's range buff, and has a cheaper total cost. Considering that the Commander and DJ are used in almost every single game, I'd say that this makes the Accelerator better then the Engineer.
While everything you said is true, I just want to point out that doing this is more expensive then the engi, but if your playing a duo then someone else could be doing commander and dj and you might only have to place accels, but still it’s more expensive then the engi, also u have to remember the accels trash targeting system and the fact that enemies can leak while it’s charging up, meaning I think that they basically have the same thing going for them. So basically use rather one and it hink they will do the exact same thing. so just remember this next time you play.
A few small mistakes iirc, but great video! -Engi's firerate between levels 0 and 2 was 1.5, not 2. This was changed in the Winter 22 update -The lvl3 price went from 1600 to 1750, not the other way around -Its range at lvl 2 was 18, also changed in the Winter update
why did they nerf accel in the first place, the main complaint with engie was that it was more difficult to obtain and not worth it compared to accel, (despite them playing the same role) instead of just making engie more affordable in terms of gems and leaving accel be, below decided to make accel worse and engie slightly better. Engie was designed around the idea that it would be an endgame tower similar to accel, although still not too overpowered nor underpowered to be pushed aside. And they actually somewhat succeeded in terms of the actual stats, you could’ve used accel or engie in a very similar loadout and have a basically indifferent gameplay experience. However, this fragile balance is ruptured by one thing: engie’s gem price. If engie and accel were both 2500, this would most likely be a 50/50 tossup between the 2 options, as they have different usages and techniques to use them most effectively. However, because engie takes almost 2x longer to get, and because they are similar towers, accel is favored by most as the first pick, and those who side with accel tend to devalue engie’s strengths
The accel actually has more dps if you take into account support towers. Because the sentries aren't affected by the commander buff, 6 engineers only have a max dps of 2340.417. In comparison, 8 buffed accels have an average dps of 2583.292.
Engineer is still a better tower than accel being an all rounder able to easily destroy late game and still having the highest dps in the game without needing any supports. And you have to count the fact that engineer needs to be stunned 2 times to loose her sentries meanwhile accel loose his attack and has tk charge ig again instatly. So engineer comes better due to accel needing just too many supports
She lost only 95 dps man is not that bad she had too much cost per dps efficency and she needed to be nerfed and she is still better than accel whitout supports by a good amount
yeah the engineer got a huge nerf but the accel got a bigger nerf, back in the old days it used to do 375 max dps, its now 247. the engi lost about 90 dps while accel lost 128 potential dps
I purposefully grinded for engineer instead of buying accelerator which took so many more hours of grinding... and now I regret it... hopefully they realize their mistake and buff the engineer back up again, or at least make the gem price cheaper for it.
i feel like the Engineer and Accel must have more competition,because them are soo overused in too many strats and setups,i think giving the oportunity to other towers to shine would be better,and also make it a lil easier to get them since is a very tedious work to get them
in my opnion the accel is better than engineer now , accel can get buffs from dj and commander and in future 20% damage buff from war machine and sentrys cant gets buffs , i literally lose 4,5k gems now
Im neutral on the pursuit since it gets MORE dps at lower levels and at max, at the cost of hidden detection, but its always kinda been a supporting dps tower so it syncs well with accel/g mini/turret.
while i hated the engineer for being the most costly hardcore tower for what it's worth, i dont think this hard of a nerf was required for it. losing straight 100 dps deadass. tbh like a 50 dps loss would be somewhat more easier to gauge. also maybe bringing accel somewhat back to his former glory. 243 dps max isn't that great, but maybe changing it closer to 400 would make it more better. considering you are paying more in total for all of the 8 accels together, you should have more dps than 6 maxed engineers.
I don't like this nerf as engineer was balanced having around 450 dps for twice the gem price as accelerator but now it has about 1.5 times accelerator's dps for about twice as many gems as accelerator. I think the annoying to grind engineer should be better then accelerator also if you take commander into count accelerator is buffed a lot more then engineer by dj and commander overall making engineer not worth which sucks as i thought i had a reason to not grind coins for gold scout and minigunner
Absolute garbage change, if you want people to have more variety between her and accelerator than why make her almost double the price of accel??? That’s like balancing golden soldier to be more comparable to normal soldier. It shouldn’t be a damn contest on who is better, and yet now the accelerator is better with buffs in mind
Just wished her range in early levels weren't changed :p just slightly inconvenient. Am still gonna try to get to wave 50 in hc solo cuz gsoldier wasn't nerfed(surprised XD he's a bit good)
BelowNatural: Hmm, a tower with 450 DPS... Raz, what are the requirements for Engineer? Razuatix: 4500 Gems BelowNatural: How long does it take to get? Razuatix: Insane people get it in... 3 days. BelowNatural: Aaaand we have no other gem towers? Razuatix: Well, we have the Accelerator BelowNatural: The DPS on that? Razuatix: 260 BelowNatural: Aaand how much does that cost? Razuatix: 2500 gems BelowNatural: Hmmmm, any other ways to get Engineer? Razuatix: a sh*t tonne of robux BelowNatural: Well, since people bought it with robux... Lets nerf it... Razuatix: Like how we gave Executioner a skin for them getting it without robux, just, the inverse? BelowNatural: Yup! We punish people for their hard work and make the cheaper one better! Razuatix: Genius! You're a genius! BelowNatural: Introducing the new Engineer rebalance! Where we make Accelerator better than it Literally everyone: WHY IS THE CHEAPER ONE BETTER THAN THE MORE EXPENSIVE ONE BelowNatural: Oh guys, don't worry! It's TDS Logic!
honestly they're balancing is pretty lame imo engineer cost's 4,500 gem's sometime's you can't or can beat fallen with it and pretty much felt like fun but bad tower to use, if they could make like per 1 engineer she can spawn 6 sentries and placement limit to 8 it would just be perfect cuz remember grinding for engineer take's alot of time
I think they should had just nerfed her late game dps, and still with 4 sentries and somehow make her lose only like 50 dps. Cuz her things of "all hole" its a lie, cuz she doenst have enough damage for this "all hole". She does shoot ballons but dont have enough damage, hidden she does have it but they still pass from her. Her main reason of be a viable tower was the fact that she could handle waves with her machines. Now she is not even worth for it. So basically she became a 2nd option when she was supposed to be a main tower. Now you can use a Golden mini gunner that will be a better dps tower than her when it was not supposed to be.
i think it was too much since its sentries are not buffed by commander it just feels over priced having to spend almost double the amount of time grinding to get it with there not being much of a difference between the strength of them
I think this nerf is too much. Reason why is because as you mentioned in the comment section the sentries don't get buffed by commander and DJ possibly making the engineer worse than accelerator. I'm not saying that I think the engineer should be better cause that's the one I have, (I don't have any of them) but because it costs almost twice as much.
When i play 4x6 engineers you wipe maps making max 4 or 5 engineers would have been enough to nerf. I dont understand why you can have only 4 croock bosses but 6 engineers or 8 accels. The engineer is too allround i understand but the tower itself deals bad damage and if you dont max turrets they are not too strong.
Lets be real, engi cost 4,500 gems which is very pricey and accel being better than engi now With supports and stuff I dont see why they would nerf a tower that should be like the best tower despite its cost in gems Ill put it this way. I think engi should be better than accel if its way more gems bc engi wouldnt even be worth grinding for if theres a stronger and cheaper tower aka accel for gems Maybe the devs just dont know what to do with engi just like motar Just an opinion.
My theory for why all these towers are getting nerfed: people will mot stop cheesing or soloing hardcore and it does not make the devs happy , so they think by netting every tower it won't be possible anymore.
Before the accelerator nerf it had insane dps that helped with soloing hardcore. Suspiciously, after a few of those videos came out, the "rebalance" update came.
I think it's about varity, now you have to ask urself if you want to use accel, engi, ranger, pursuit or gmini, its no longer just 100% of the time accel
Engineer is still MUCH better than accel when you are plsying solo, or duo with a noob. This is because it can compete with accel without buffs meaning if your main dps tower is engi, you honestly dont really need coa wich creates space for other towers. It is also mich more reliable than accel since it can target anything in the game and deals splash damage. Soloing with accel is a risk bc it can leak fast enemies easily and relies on a good map, or other towers. Another thing to consider is that choosing engi over accel means you have 2 spots for other towers wich means more dps.
From the perspective of a person who legit got engineer yesterday, you can imagine my surprise when I saw that the engineer was ruined and that it lost its early game potential. Honestly, this nerf is way too much, before it could at least compete with pursuit and accel, but now? It's a worthless piece of crap that isn't even that good as a late game tower. Something similar happened to me when I got cowboy, 2 days after I got it badlands II came out and with that came reworked cowboy which was ACTUALLY good unlike actual engineer, I needed 2 more gems to get engineer, I got it and boom! Engineer nerfed into oblivion. I thought it'd be worth it to get engineer, but now I think that I wasted 2 months worth of time. My disappointment is inmesurable💀
Bro that thing still does 300+ dps. Its far from a piece of trash. Its has better dps than 98% of the tower in game. The early game is only trash part. A
@@SpekkaYt guess you're right, it's just that engineer used to be better. Just imagine a 400 dps tower losing 100 dps from out of nowhere. That's just shocking
@@keney29010 I get what you mean, but still a fun tower to use. But we’ll just have to see how good the mecha base, and the hacker tower is, if they ever come out
reason why nerf wasn't deserve the nerf was a huge decrease also making accel the best tower in the game also it might to better at hiddens and flying the nerf still sucks like the also modes like PW2 and HC are way harder due to engineer's nerf and probably quick draw is almost impossible engi's nerf made a lot of modes so hard
Accelerator is better I think because practically speaking every match has a commander and accelerators get a huge buff from those as compared to engineers
Tbh maybe find a middle like bring back the 4 sentries but nerf the engis dps, and it should be better than accel because it costs 2 4500 gems or 4k robux.
I mean engineer nerf is 454.5 dps to 359.44 engineer's nerf was needed because it killed the purpose of accelerator, accelerator's purpose was to be a focused-DPS tower, while Engineer also still has high DPS, it cannot be stunned and has splash dmg to make it better than accel in crowd control or in killing breakers but when it comes to killing bosses like fallen king, nuclear monster, etc then Accelerator is better in that situation. They called it rebalance because they buffed engineer's damage and took away 1 sentry and they also made engineer's upgrades cheaper
True but the reason why we are upset is bc that sentries cant be supported witch means that a 2500 gem tower is better then engi that costs 4500 and getting gems isnt an easy mission
@@mohamedcraft2455 like I said, what do you expect from a tower thats focused-DPS, accelerator is a raw DPS tower while Engineer is the jack of all trades
@@matin3142 on my experience, ppl rely on accel more then engi , and they have engi too they just dont use it bc of the fsct that sentries cant be buffed I think to fix this engi should be more creative , like some sentries do diffrent things like synergies yk what I mean?
@@matin3142 I was sad at first but after an hour is meh the thing is I dont wanted to be annoyed by those players who negs for accels rather then engi , bcuz I use engi for fun and I dont want something fun slowly goes off meta bc of a 2500 gem cost accel
pretty sure its fine because in winter 22 update accel got nerfed but we still demolished gunslinger in a matter of seconds with a pretty fast time of 16:36
@@nicolasmazzotti4578 first of all, no one doesn't bring supports, secondly, engi is NOT usable early. It does horrible on the early waves and it's just better to use an actual early game tower like g scout etc.
For those who wondering why they nerfed it it's because TH-camrs are making a video about solo hardcore that's the reason why below nerf accel,engineer,mortar, rocketeer and removed fungi island
Bro devs are dumb, ain’t they? If they keep making things hard, people will leave the game soon. They can add more mode, more map instead. Add more towers we will buy. Add limited towers, limited skins we will buy. We will grind. I’m kinda tired of playing fallen, molten. Why don’t they make an infinite mode bruh
Honestly you know that you need a high DMG unit in your best set so agree and continue farming for engineer because 6 engineer and 8 accelerator 1666.64 < 2154.64 Dps Engineer is just better
We're back to when the engineer was first released yet was still garbage compared to accelerator despite costing more, then they buffed engi just to nerf her again 💀
I think engineer better, also sad what it got nerfed (i got it only now and dont realise this got nerfed bc dont test it) but also, who say i cant take them both? And when i got accels/engineers limit place other?
@@Rif372 it's 1.80x more expensive than the accel, which would mean to damage would not be doubled. 350 dps is accurate for it's price unlike if it costs 5000 gems, which would be doubled to 410.5 to 430. Engineer in it's current state is balanced for it's priced.
This makes me sad honestly, I love engi and she is still somewhat good but I think removing a turret was too harsh. her turrets already do not get buffed by DJ or Commander so I think this butered her in what she can can do. Ofc she's slightly better than accel but adding commander in the picture accel is just right out better now, this makes me sad. I also hated how accl doesn't do constant damage as it flucates I think that is just plain stupid, this is why I liked engi because her damage is constant it doesn't go up or down. the dps she outputs is what she outputs exactly unlike accel where it goes up and down. Overall I am sadden by this, I understand why the devs did this but the compensation for the nerf wasn't enough. I think if the devs tomorrow gave engi a placement of 7 instead of 6 then I would say that'd justify a little bit to these harsh nerfs.
if engineer is still better than accel then I think it's deserved but as the tower is expensive and minus well stick to engineer if you don't have the time for grinding.
1. Sentries still have no hidden detection (+point to accelerator) 2. Accelerator can target lock whenever he is on range decrease effected by boss if wasn't stunned (+point to accelerator) 3. Can be supported by commander and dj (+point to accelerator) 4. in general, 3rd level accelerator js better than 3rd level engineer. And also 4th level too, 5th level is not compatible (± point to accelerator) The only thing that engineer has unique is fly detection and lead penetration
it's 1.80x more expensive than the accel, which would mean to damage would not be doubled. 350 DPS is accurate for it's price unlike if it costs 5000 gems, which would be doubled up to 410 - 440. Engineer in it's current state is balanced for it's price. + Hacker is coming to tds costing gems so stop crying you wimps
It's way easier to gain gems than you think, there's a strategy where you can gain 500+ gems per hour. The only reason it took a few weeks for me was because I took it the slow way cause I'm lazy lol.
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Something big that I forgot to take into account is that the Engineer's sentries don't get buffed by the Commander or DJ
With the Commander's 25% buff, the Accelerator has an average DPS of 260.4125.
With the ability, the Accelerator has an average DPS of 322.9115
While the Engineer still has a higher DPS, the Accelerator also benefits from the DJ's range buff, and has a cheaper total cost.
Considering that the Commander and DJ are used in almost every single game, I'd say that this makes the Accelerator better then the Engineer.
I knew it accel is better than engi🎉
I agree
While everything you said is true, I just want to point out that doing this is more expensive then the engi, but if your playing a duo then someone else could be doing commander and dj and you might only have to place accels, but still it’s more expensive then the engi, also u have to remember the accels trash targeting system and the fact that enemies can leak while it’s charging up, meaning I think that they basically have the same thing going for them. So basically use rather one and it hink they will do the exact same thing. so just remember this next time you play.
wait wh ydies engi have dead zone
@@samanthea100 it always did
A few small mistakes iirc, but great video!
-Engi's firerate between levels 0 and 2 was 1.5, not 2. This was changed in the Winter 22 update
-The lvl3 price went from 1600 to 1750, not the other way around
-Its range at lvl 2 was 18, also changed in the Winter update
why did they nerf accel in the first place, the main complaint with engie was that it was more difficult to obtain and not worth it compared to accel, (despite them playing the same role) instead of just making engie more affordable in terms of gems and leaving accel be, below decided to make accel worse and engie slightly better. Engie was designed around the idea that it would be an endgame tower similar to accel, although still not too overpowered nor underpowered to be pushed aside. And they actually somewhat succeeded in terms of the actual stats, you could’ve used accel or engie in a very similar loadout and have a basically indifferent gameplay experience. However, this fragile balance is ruptured by one thing: engie’s gem price. If engie and accel were both 2500, this would most likely be a 50/50 tossup between the 2 options, as they have different usages and techniques to use them most effectively. However, because engie takes almost 2x longer to get, and because they are similar towers, accel is favored by most as the first pick, and those who side with accel tend to devalue engie’s strengths
Most people don't even grind for engi anymore which is sad hopefully it gets a little better
Love your videos, keep it up 👍🏻
Thank you!
The accel actually has more dps if you take into account support towers. Because the sentries aren't affected by the commander buff, 6 engineers only have a max dps of 2340.417. In comparison, 8 buffed accels have an average dps of 2583.292.
yup, just made a pinned comment about that
When your max dps is less than their average dps
Engineer is still a better tower than accel being an all rounder able to easily destroy late game and still having the highest dps in the game without needing any supports. And you have to count the fact that engineer needs to be stunned 2 times to loose her sentries meanwhile accel loose his attack and has tk charge ig again instatly. So engineer comes better due to accel needing just too many supports
@@wooden49 my guy who the hell doesn’t bring commander and dj 💀💀 and in hardcore’s case, medic
You will never have a max dps for accel and engi
Engi got ruined. The devs could easily just have reduced war machine sentry damage by 1 or 2 to balance it. Not remove an entire 100 dps
“Reduced war machine sentry damage by 1 or 2 damage to balance it”
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She lost only 95 dps man is not that bad she had too much cost per dps efficency and she needed to be nerfed and she is still better than accel whitout supports by a good amount
@@nicolasmazzotti4578 what about the 4500 gems you need for a tower that is worse than 8 accelerators buffed
@@nicolasmazzotti4578 who the hell doesn’t bring support
@@nicolasmazzotti4578 you need supports bro 💀
yeah the engineer got a huge nerf but the accel got a bigger nerf, back in the old days it used to do 375 max dps, its now 247. the engi lost about 90 dps while accel lost 128 potential dps
Meanwhile rng screwing u up and the accel doing way less dps
I purposefully grinded for engineer instead of buying accelerator which took so many more hours of grinding... and now I regret it... hopefully they realize their mistake and buff the engineer back up again, or at least make the gem price cheaper for it.
Thaanks for the explanation man ❤
Accel ofc got also the advantage that commander boost makes his dps better than a commander boosted engineer if i calculated it right
i feel like the Engineer and Accel must have more competition,because them are soo overused in too many strats and setups,i think giving the oportunity to other towers to shine would be better,and also make it a lil easier to get them since is a very tedious work to get them
i spent 5 days of grinding 10 hours each day just for it to get nerfed so hardly that no one even uses it
This is actually a very informative video, I enjoyed it very much and I understood everything!
glad you enjoyed 🤝
in my opnion the accel is better than engineer now , accel can get buffs from dj and commander and in future 20% damage buff from war machine and sentrys cant gets buffs , i literally lose 4,5k gems now
i try 6 lvl 4 engineers vs wave 26 and i lose , in another game i place 2 accel ( one lvl 3 and one lvl 4 ) i survive
why would u place 6 level 3 engis place 6 level 5 engis
@@agiota4395 thats wrong
@@Maria_Rosecleide i have prints to prove
1 accel lvl 3 + 1 accel lvl 4 > 6 lvl 4 engineers
total cost accels 26,5k ( beat wave 26 )
total cost engineers 38,4k ( lose at weve 26 )
People that use both Engineer and Accelerator:oh no!
Anyways
Btw I was the guy named Edenir in your last match before the update
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Thanks for informing me!
Glad I could help
Im neutral on the pursuit since it gets MORE dps at lower levels and at max, at the cost of hidden detection, but its always kinda been a supporting dps tower so it syncs well with accel/g mini/turret.
while i hated the engineer for being the most costly hardcore tower for what it's worth, i dont think this hard of a nerf was required for it. losing straight 100 dps deadass. tbh like a 50 dps loss would be somewhat more easier to gauge. also maybe bringing accel somewhat back to his former glory. 243 dps max isn't that great, but maybe changing it closer to 400 would make it more better. considering you are paying more in total for all of the 8 accels together, you should have more dps than 6 maxed engineers.
Bro engineer costs 4500 gems bro of course it should be overpowered, now its basically outclassed by accelerator which costs 2000 gems less 💀💀💀
to make engineer worth it, all the devs would have to do would make the sentrys units and detect hiddens or not even detect hiddens because of ace.
I don't like this nerf as engineer was balanced having around 450 dps for twice the gem price as accelerator but now it has about 1.5 times accelerator's dps for about twice as many gems as accelerator.
I think the annoying to grind engineer should be better then accelerator also if you take commander into count accelerator is buffed a lot more then engineer by dj and commander overall making engineer not worth which sucks as i thought i had a reason to not grind coins for gold scout and minigunner
the way the dps is calculated on the wiki is kinda inaccurate imo, if you calculate it as dmg / firerate then, the accelerator has a higher total dps
Yes because you are not calculating Charge up time and such
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Absolute garbage change, if you want people to have more variety between her and accelerator than why make her almost double the price of accel??? That’s like balancing golden soldier to be more comparable to normal soldier. It shouldn’t be a damn contest on who is better, and yet now the accelerator is better with buffs in mind
R.i.p people that grinded for enginner
Engineer is so crap in pizza party it make my grind almost shit
It will get buff again dw. Dev will rebalance
@@itspro8538they won't, however accel will get a buff so we don't need engi fraud anymore
Damn. This made me feel sadly for engineer
Me too :(
Nerf was not required or needed and pursuit should get stealth detection back
Just wished her range in early levels weren't changed :p just slightly inconvenient. Am still gonna try to get to wave 50 in hc solo cuz gsoldier wasn't nerfed(surprised XD he's a bit good)
BelowNatural: Hmm, a tower with 450 DPS... Raz, what are the requirements for Engineer?
Razuatix: 4500 Gems
BelowNatural: How long does it take to get?
Razuatix: Insane people get it in... 3 days.
BelowNatural: Aaaand we have no other gem towers?
Razuatix: Well, we have the Accelerator
BelowNatural: The DPS on that?
Razuatix: 260
BelowNatural: Aaand how much does that cost?
Razuatix: 2500 gems
BelowNatural: Hmmmm, any other ways to get Engineer?
Razuatix: a sh*t tonne of robux
BelowNatural: Well, since people bought it with robux... Lets nerf it...
Razuatix: Like how we gave Executioner a skin for them getting it without robux, just, the inverse?
BelowNatural: Yup! We punish people for their hard work and make the cheaper one better!
Razuatix: Genius! You're a genius!
BelowNatural: Introducing the new Engineer rebalance! Where we make Accelerator better than it
Literally everyone: WHY IS THE CHEAPER ONE BETTER THAN THE MORE EXPENSIVE ONE
BelowNatural: Oh guys, don't worry! It's TDS Logic!
Is new engi level 2 on max sentries a typo?
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honestly they're balancing is pretty lame imo engineer cost's 4,500 gem's sometime's you can't or can beat fallen with it and pretty much felt like fun but bad tower to use, if they could make like per 1 engineer she can spawn 6 sentries and placement limit to 8 it would just be perfect cuz remember grinding for engineer take's alot of time
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I think they should had just nerfed her late game dps, and still with 4 sentries and somehow make her lose only like 50 dps. Cuz her things of "all hole" its a lie, cuz she doenst have enough damage for this "all hole". She does shoot ballons but dont have enough damage, hidden she does have it but they still pass from her. Her main reason of be a viable tower was the fact that she could handle waves with her machines. Now she is not even worth for it. So basically she became a 2nd option when she was supposed to be a main tower. Now you can use a Golden mini gunner that will be a better dps tower than her when it was not supposed to be.
Is golden minigunner the best (solo/duo) tower now?
i think it was too much since its sentries are not buffed by commander it just feels over priced having to spend almost double the amount of time grinding to get it with there not being much of a difference between the strength of them
I think this nerf is too much. Reason why is because as you mentioned in the comment section the sentries don't get buffed by commander and DJ possibly making the engineer worse than accelerator. I'm not saying that I think the engineer should be better cause that's the one I have, (I don't have any of them) but because it costs almost twice as much.
When i play 4x6 engineers you wipe maps making max 4 or 5 engineers would have been enough to nerf. I dont understand why you can have only 4 croock bosses but 6 engineers or 8 accels. The engineer is too allround i understand but the tower itself deals bad damage and if you dont max turrets they are not too strong.
Lets be real, engi cost 4,500 gems which is very pricey and accel being better than engi now
With supports and stuff
I dont see why they would nerf a tower that should be like the best tower despite its cost in gems
Ill put it this way.
I think engi should be better than accel if its way more gems bc engi wouldnt even be worth grinding for if theres a stronger and cheaper tower aka accel for gems
Maybe the devs just dont know what to do with engi just like motar
Just an opinion.
My theory for why all these towers are getting nerfed: people will mot stop cheesing or soloing hardcore and it does not make the devs happy , so they think by netting every tower it won't be possible anymore.
Before the accelerator nerf it had insane dps that helped with soloing hardcore. Suspiciously, after a few of those videos came out, the "rebalance" update came.
I also believe it's the response of below asking us to have more variety on towers other than the average engineer and accelerator loadout
I think it's about varity, now you have to ask urself if you want to use accel, engi, ranger, pursuit or gmini, its no longer just 100% of the time accel
in my opinion engineeg should still be able to spawn 4 turrets they could jsut lower the dps on turrets to somewhere like 75-90 dps
still would lose 100 dps lmao
@@VVooshbait atleast it is still good in some cases name a tower that has a shield and protect from enemy stuns
Engineer is still MUCH better than accel when you are plsying solo, or duo with a noob. This is because it can compete with accel without buffs meaning if your main dps tower is engi, you honestly dont really need coa wich creates space for other towers. It is also mich more reliable than accel since it can target anything in the game and deals splash damage. Soloing with accel is a risk bc it can leak fast enemies easily and relies on a good map, or other towers. Another thing to consider is that choosing engi over accel means you have 2 spots for other towers wich means more dps.
I free grinded engi and now I regret it 😢😢😢
the increase in engi DPS would make it better against hidden/flying enemies tho
From the perspective of a person who legit got engineer yesterday, you can imagine my surprise when I saw that the engineer was ruined and that it lost its early game potential.
Honestly, this nerf is way too much, before it could at least compete with pursuit and accel, but now? It's a worthless piece of crap that isn't even that good as a late game tower.
Something similar happened to me when I got cowboy, 2 days after I got it badlands II came out and with that came reworked cowboy which was ACTUALLY good unlike actual engineer, I needed 2 more gems to get engineer, I got it and boom! Engineer nerfed into oblivion. I thought it'd be worth it to get engineer, but now I think that I wasted 2 months worth of time.
My disappointment is inmesurable💀
Bro that thing still does 300+ dps. Its far from a piece of trash. Its has better dps than 98% of the tower in game. The early game is only trash part. A
@@SpekkaYt guess you're right, it's just that engineer used to be better. Just imagine a 400 dps tower losing 100 dps from out of nowhere.
That's just shocking
@@keney29010 I get what you mean, but still a fun tower to use. But we’ll just have to see how good the mecha base, and the hacker tower is, if they ever come out
reason why nerf wasn't deserve the nerf was a huge decrease also making accel the best tower in the game also it might to better at hiddens and flying the nerf still sucks like the also modes like PW2 and HC are way harder due to engineer's nerf and probably quick draw is almost impossible engi's nerf made a lot of modes so hard
And now, it can place 4 sentries again.
Accelerator is better I think because practically speaking every match has a commander and accelerators get a huge buff from those as compared to engineers
Yep the sentry cant get any buff from support,plus u can place 8 accel while engi only 6
The reason engineer got nerfed is just on sentry and leaked the enemies pass through during fallen solo
Tbh maybe find a middle like bring back the 4 sentries but nerf the engis dps, and it should be better than accel because it costs 2 4500 gems or 4k robux.
I mean engineer nerf is 454.5 dps to 359.44
engineer's nerf was needed because it killed the purpose of accelerator, accelerator's purpose was to be a focused-DPS tower, while Engineer also still has high DPS, it cannot be stunned and has splash dmg to make it better than accel in crowd control or in killing breakers but when it comes to killing bosses like fallen king, nuclear monster, etc then Accelerator is better in that situation. They called it rebalance because they buffed engineer's damage and took away 1 sentry and they also made engineer's upgrades cheaper
True but the reason why we are upset is bc that sentries cant be supported witch means that a 2500 gem tower is better then engi that costs 4500 and getting gems isnt an easy mission
@@mohamedcraft2455 like I said, what do you expect from a tower thats focused-DPS, accelerator is a raw DPS tower while Engineer is the jack of all trades
@@matin3142 on my experience, ppl rely on accel more then engi , and they have engi too they just dont use it bc of the fsct that sentries cant be buffed
I think to fix this engi should be more creative , like some sentries do diffrent things like synergies yk what I mean?
@@matin3142 I was sad at first but after an hour is meh the thing is I dont wanted to be annoyed by those players who negs for accels rather then engi , bcuz I use engi for fun and I dont want something fun slowly goes off meta bc of a 2500 gem cost accel
this is normal to me
cuz the boss keep getting demolish
also the bad is people still still trying to get quickdraw ;-;
pretty sure its fine because in winter 22 update accel got nerfed but we still demolished gunslinger in a matter of seconds with a pretty fast time of 16:36
I think this balances engi up makes her have only a little bit more dps when maxed out but now accel whit proper support is better
It shouldn't be better tho. Engi costs a whole 2k more gems like it should be way better than accel.
@@TheUnholyToast1 Engi is usable early game+ cant be stunned+ no chargeup+fly detect + splash dmg + requires a lot less supports than accel to be good
@@nicolasmazzotti4578 first of all, no one doesn't bring supports, secondly, engi is NOT usable early. It does horrible on the early waves and it's just better to use an actual early game tower like g scout etc.
@@TheUnholyToast1 you get no stuns no chargeup at the cost of only 300 dps + fast enemyes dont get past her
And requires less map space too and she can do pretty easily early def
Me:*brings my shotgun and find's the person who wants to nerf engineer and pursuit*
You missed the fact that accelerator gets buffed by supports way better than engineer
Mortar next? He got absolutely ruined
For those who wondering why they nerfed it it's because TH-camrs are making a video about solo hardcore that's the reason why below nerf accel,engineer,mortar, rocketeer and removed fungi island
Bro devs are dumb, ain’t they? If they keep making things hard, people will leave the game soon. They can add more mode, more map instead. Add more towers we will buy. Add limited towers, limited skins we will buy. We will grind. I’m kinda tired of playing fallen, molten. Why don’t they make an infinite mode bruh
good thing they will buff accel now lez go
Just a God dam 're-balance'
Normal Player:I use Engineer instead of Golden Pyromancer, Accelator and Golden Minigunner.
Me:USE ALL OF THEY!!!
Engineer is still really good, now he can deal with flying enemies, hiddens, an dleads with more ease making it more reliable then the accel.
Engi can still hit those before the nerf
I hope the devs make engi price like 3.5k or 4k :/
nah
I use accel and engineer and as long as the dps is good then it works
Me who uses pursuit and golden minigunner: MY GOALS ARE BEYOND YOUR UNDERSTANDING
I am very mad I got engineer and was very happy till I found out it got nerfed I’m very disappointed Accelerator Is Better
you forgot about accelerator beeping buffed by commander.
*fully
Honestly you know that you need a high DMG unit in your best set so agree and continue farming for engineer because 6 engineer and 8 accelerator 1666.64 < 2154.64 Dps
Engineer is just better
I think they should have just change it back to violent night engi.
wow I grind 4500 gems and it gets nerfed hard to the ground how shit man
You should do which one's better the crook or the cowboy?
cowboy
So 8 accels have the same dps with 10 Pursuits?
We're back to when the engineer was first released yet was still garbage compared to accelerator despite costing more, then they buffed engi just to nerf her again 💀
I think engineer should get a very very big buff for how expensive it is
I think engineer better, also sad what it got nerfed (i got it only now and dont realise this got nerfed bc dont test it) but also, who say i cant take them both? And when i got accels/engineers limit place other?
in my opinion engi deserve some little bit nerf before but this was little bit much lol
@@Rif372 well before it was little bit too op isn't it the sentry didn't get stun and one sentry is rlly high dmg it self tho
@@Rif372 as i said its just my opinion
@@Rif372 it's 1.80x more expensive than the accel, which would mean to damage would not be doubled. 350 dps is accurate for it's price unlike if it costs 5000 gems, which would be doubled to 410.5 to 430. Engineer in it's current state is balanced for it's priced.
@@would_be_eons finally someone with a brain
People with both engi and accel: ok ig?
Honestly they could buff dmg of engi to 60-80 on max and that would br fair
to my mind they should balance the engineer so that: accel=engi (also lower the price in gems)
This makes me sad honestly, I love engi and she is still somewhat good but I think removing a turret was too harsh. her turrets already do not get buffed by DJ or Commander so I think this butered her in what she can can do. Ofc she's slightly better than accel but adding commander in the picture accel is just right out better now, this makes me sad. I also hated how accl doesn't do constant damage as it flucates I think that is just plain stupid, this is why I liked engi because her damage is constant it doesn't go up or down. the dps she outputs is what she outputs exactly unlike accel where it goes up and down. Overall I am sadden by this, I understand why the devs did this but the compensation for the nerf wasn't enough. I think if the devs tomorrow gave engi a placement of 7 instead of 6 then I would say that'd justify a little bit to these harsh nerfs.
This nerf should reduce the cost in the shop to around 3600 gems change my mind
3000-3300 would be fair tho
What i should get accel or a golden crate i have 850 gems and 20000 coins
I’m pretty sure everyone knows accel was already better than engi by default
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They removed the hidden detection form pursuit 💀
They need to make engi like 3k gems or 2k gems for the nerf. Or they need to buff
if engineer is still better than accel then I think it's deserved but as the tower is expensive and minus well stick to engineer if you don't have the time for grinding.
They did engineer dirty with the price and making accelerator better
People in the comment whom fight over using accelerator and enginner
Me:”who use both of em” 🗿 🍷
Corso why don't you count the commander buff commander buffs accel better than engi wich makes it better
yeah, forgot about that. I’ve made a pinned comment addressing that
Hmmmm they added the update on one of the sussiest days of the year..
1. Sentries still have no hidden detection (+point to accelerator)
2. Accelerator can target lock whenever he is on range decrease effected by boss if wasn't stunned
(+point to accelerator)
3. Can be supported by commander and dj
(+point to accelerator)
4. in general, 3rd level accelerator js better than 3rd level engineer. And also 4th level too, 5th level is not compatible
(± point to accelerator)
The only thing that engineer has unique is fly detection and lead penetration
Target lock for accel makes it terrible for leaks
accel target lock, accel charge up time.
Accelerator is better then engineer now tbh he does more dps with commander
Community: engineer costs 4K robux and 4.5K gems, it should be worth its cost to obtain
Devs: nerf engineer ok 👍
Never change tds
Engineer gets nerfed: ACCEL BETTER?!
Accel gets nerfed: ENGINEER BETTER?!
i like how people said to nerf engi cuz accel got nerfed and the devs did what they said, and the players are now crying because of the nerf
The more people are banging to nerf those towers, the more they're getting far from triumphing PWII
@@7atomboyz7 so true
@㋡ atomboyz ㋡ anything is possible in tds, even with nerfs lol
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it's 1.80x more expensive than the accel, which would mean to damage would not be doubled. 350 DPS is accurate for it's price unlike if it costs 5000 gems, which would be doubled up to 410 - 440. Engineer in it's current state is balanced for it's price.
+ Hacker is coming to tds costing gems so stop crying you wimps
I did math
Engineer lost approximately 95.06 DPS
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined
Accel: i come back…
They should buff engi but make it really expensive
She deverse tbh bc accel is also suck after rebalanced and after engi got rebalanced/nerf,it made a fair point both of them are good and bad
I really dont know why engi got nerfed to the point where accel is better, even though engi cost more to unlock, all though still good
4,500 gems for this? You're better off using demo-men at this point
It's way easier to gain gems than you think, there's a strategy where you can gain 500+ gems per hour. The only reason it took a few weeks for me was because I took it the slow way cause I'm lazy lol.