Best tutorial about pancake editing so far. I spend a few days trying to get to this exact content; in-depth explanation with real-world professional examples thanks. I have a few questions, I hope you had the time to answer them. You sort your shots in cuts and scene, in which cases do you recommend to sort your shots depending on the shot size? I have this footage from a music studio recording and a concert that I intend to use as B-roll. It is pretty unorganized and I don't know how to approach it Do you spend time metalogging or renaming the raw footage in the bin tab, or you go directly to your different timelines to organize this raw footage?
Hey Marcos! Thanks for the kind words. The best other content for insight into in-depth post work I’ve found from the Art of the Cut blog by Steve Hullfish or his book the compiles all the interviews by the same name. As for our specific pancake timeline use, I do some big picture bin organization (separating clips by shoot day or into scenes / location). Then I just dive straight into the selects timeline for organization. The beauty of this system is that it’s like a scratch paper timeline so you can do whatever you like! When I have slated content like in narrative work, I’ll organize selects by shot size. However, when I’m doing documentary content I really stop to think about how I’m going to structure the final edit and what type of shots am I going to be constantly looking for. For your project, perhaps you want each band member as a separate section, then a section for two band members together, or shots of the whole band, etc. Does that help? Happy to brainstorm with you further if you have more questions. Thanks for watching!!
@@BenGillFilms Thanks a lot, honestly. This has, not just speeded my editing workflow, but also make me learn and memorize my footage better. Now everything is organized and super easy to access. I just need to scroll over my timeline to find the right shot for the right moment. No more project bin digging. As for my project, after a few approaches, I started to sort my clips by band member. It has much more sense for what I want to do. Close-up instruments or equipment, band members, open shots with few members and open or candid shots. Glad to be in the right path. I will take a look at that book and the rest of your videos. Good luck and MUCHAS GRACIAS for your tips and comments.
@@mortystation That’s amazing! I felt the same way when I started using it. Thanks to Kirk Baxter and Angus Wall for paving the way 🙌🏼 I feel way more confident now that I’m using the best shot possible for a given moment 👍🏼 Check out the invisible split screen video for another Fincher-inspired editing technique.
It's crazy, I naturally evolved into this method of editing over the course of almost twenty years without any outside influence. It is, without looking at it, without a doubt the most stripped-down form of cutting. CAUTION: If ever there was a time to use PROXY media, it is within this setup. Nice VIDEO!!!
Fantastic! Do you have (or can you create) a tutorial about using the Fischer-style pancake editing technique on a scripted multi-person dialogue scene, from the point of incorporating the various selects and cam angles/takes and bringing them together into a rough cut of a scene? For me, I’d prefer a tutorial that assumes a single camera set up at the shoot (vs. Multicam). I’ve played with various workflows and still haven’t settled on the most efficient way to “audition” the various cuts/takes/angles/line readings in a rough cut. Thanks!
Hey Henry! I'd love to make a more in-depth video down the road. The process would definitely take a lot longer to show but could be valuable. I will recommend one other video of mine for an additional window into how we edit narrative scenes using Fincher techniques. Hope you find it helpful! Make sure to watch both Part 1 & 2: th-cam.com/video/o0z1F3qiN6E/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=BenGill%2COxenfreeFilm%26Motion
Best tutorial about pancake editing so far. I spend a few days trying to get to this exact content; in-depth explanation with real-world professional examples thanks. I have a few questions, I hope you had the time to answer them.
You sort your shots in cuts and scene, in which cases do you recommend to sort your shots depending on the shot size? I have this footage from a music studio recording and a concert that I intend to use as B-roll. It is pretty unorganized and I don't know how to approach it
Do you spend time metalogging or renaming the raw footage in the bin tab, or you go directly to your different timelines to organize this raw footage?
Hey Marcos! Thanks for the kind words. The best other content for insight into in-depth post work I’ve found from the Art of the Cut blog by Steve Hullfish or his book the compiles all the interviews by the same name.
As for our specific pancake timeline use, I do some big picture bin organization (separating clips by shoot day or into scenes / location). Then I just dive straight into the selects timeline for organization.
The beauty of this system is that it’s like a scratch paper timeline so you can do whatever you like! When I have slated content like in narrative work, I’ll organize selects by shot size. However, when I’m doing documentary content I really stop to think about how I’m going to structure the final edit and what type of shots am I going to be constantly looking for.
For your project, perhaps you want each band member as a separate section, then a section for two band members together, or shots of the whole band, etc.
Does that help? Happy to brainstorm with you further if you have more questions. Thanks for watching!!
@@BenGillFilms Thanks a lot, honestly. This has, not just speeded my editing workflow, but also make me learn and memorize my footage better. Now everything is organized and super easy to access. I just need to scroll over my timeline to find the right shot for the right moment. No more project bin digging.
As for my project, after a few approaches, I started to sort my clips by band member. It has much more sense for what I want to do. Close-up instruments or equipment, band members, open shots with few members and open or candid shots. Glad to be in the right path.
I will take a look at that book and the rest of your videos.
Good luck and MUCHAS GRACIAS for your tips and comments.
@@mortystation That’s amazing! I felt the same way when I started using it. Thanks to Kirk Baxter and Angus Wall for paving the way 🙌🏼
I feel way more confident now that I’m using the best shot possible for a given moment 👍🏼
Check out the invisible split screen video for another Fincher-inspired editing technique.
It's crazy, I naturally evolved into this method of editing over the course of almost twenty years without any outside influence. It is, without looking at it, without a doubt the most stripped-down form of cutting. CAUTION: If ever there was a time to use PROXY media, it is within this setup. Nice VIDEO!!!
That's awesome! Great tip on Proxy media.
Thank you very useful!
Wow, amazing Tutorial series! Thanks a lot for sharing, I just watched all of it.
Thanks for watching the series! We’re cooking up more videos in the future so keep an eye out 😎
@@BenGillFilms I will :)
Fantastic! Do you have (or can you create) a tutorial about using the Fischer-style pancake editing technique on a scripted multi-person dialogue scene, from the point of incorporating the various selects and cam angles/takes and bringing them together into a rough cut of a scene? For me, I’d prefer a tutorial that assumes a single camera set up at the shoot (vs. Multicam). I’ve played with various workflows and still haven’t settled on the most efficient way to “audition” the various cuts/takes/angles/line readings in a rough cut. Thanks!
Hey Henry! I'd love to make a more in-depth video down the road. The process would definitely take a lot longer to show but could be valuable. I will recommend one other video of mine for an additional window into how we edit narrative scenes using Fincher techniques. Hope you find it helpful! Make sure to watch both Part 1 & 2: th-cam.com/video/o0z1F3qiN6E/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=BenGill%2COxenfreeFilm%26Motion
HI! Great video. I get a Bitly error when going to the templates & workspaces link. Can you provide another one?
Hey Fergus! Sorry about that, looks like the link got cut off. It's fixed now!
@@BenGillFilms Thanks!