They chased off the Gen X parents, and their expendable income. Oh, yeah. They lost the Gen X kids they were bringing with them to all the movies. They chased us away from comics as well. They lost me, they lost my wife and kids. That's a lot of tickets across the board.
Gen Z and Gen Next don’t buy toys Only the adults with disposable income would buy the toys but they only want OG stuff as the new characters all suck.
everything has purposely been turned ghey. They hate you even having a family and are trying to go after your kids. Nothing is pro-family at all, quite the opposite with the media empires...whom now are quite ghey themselves.
They lost even us older Gen Xers with no kids who liked animation and superhero movies, and bought a figure or piece of merchandise here and there. My husband and I were fine watching each X-Men and Avengers movie and all kinds of animation. Now we only go to the theater for serious adult films (Dune, Oppenheimer).
And to think all they had to do was live action adapt those films. MORONS. Just like all Star Wars had to do was adapt the most popular Expanded Universe stories recasting the principals if necessary but offering a frame or a one off movie for them.
It's what most fans want, for the direct to video animated movie division to take over direction on the live action movie division of DC. Executives there were literally asked about doing this and they just said no, they weren't going to do that. I'm a Snyderverse lover, but what I've seen of the DCAU, I'd welcome them taking over (I've still got a lot I need to watch; I loved Suicide Squad: Hell To Pay).
I loved the Death of Superman movie, as well as the Reign of the Supermen movie. Although, I do have to point out that's it's easier for animated, straight-to-home-video movies than live-action, theatrical films. DC Animated can do The Death of Superman, and fans of the comic will snatch it up, already knowing the history and even the story. Theatrical films are made for a much larger audience, so to do Death of Superman in live-action, there would have to be a number of movies building up to that event. You can't kill Superman after just one film, as we saw in Batman v Superman. It just doesn't work; it doesn't feel earned in terms of the story. So, there's much more freedom in adopting stories in the animated movies.
They literally have decades of source material laid out for them. All they have to do is follow it as is maybe change tiny bits here and there and adapt it to the big screen. But no, they think they are and know better than the original writers.
This exactly... also Political correctness, woke agendas and content that the veiwers never asked for have killed not just thw super hero genre but most hollywood releases.
Filmmakers are not obligated to follow the comics 100%, cause what works in a comic book doesn’t translate well to the big screen. Look at films like Capt America Civil War & Logan both films aren’t completely comic accurate yet they are considered some of the best CBM and you have things like Watchmen which is faithful to the source material and a lot of people disliked it.
@@johnconstantine973-p2m not obligated but it is highly advisable. We don't want to see their version of the story, we want to see the story that we read in the comics. If they want to make their own then they are free to do so, let someone else handle it that knows how to follow what's already been written that made it popular in the first place.
It didn’t die, it was sacrificed, in the altar of Wokeness. Believe me, if they kept doing good stories, it would still be popular! The love for this characters never died! BUT NOPE!! WOKENESS OVER COMMON SENSE!!
I've collected comics for over 50 years. I've collected super hero movies since VHS was introduced. There was a lot of bad and a lot of good. But the poor thinking skills of current creators leads me to believe these things that I've cherished for half a century, may never be readable or watchable again. It's clear that without clearing out the rot, and deliberately teaching the next generation of creators, logic, reason, and the legitimate writing process, nothing except the odd anomaly can be expected to be worth time and price. I'm about done.
I think the big turnoff is that the new generation of writers and artists whether subconsciously or intentionally are now much more familiar with the film counterparts of the characters they're writing or drawing than they are the decades plus history that existed long before the MCU ever even existed. Used to be someone like Geoff Johns writing the Avengers and admitting he'd never even read the book prior to taking on the job and bombing was seen as the outlier, but these days its more likely the norm whether or not these same people want to admit it...
Ever since they killed Star Wars I noticed more people are happy to make their own stories. Plus, Disney just holding on the licensing. They have nothing better to do. Their parks are dying that’s why Lego is making investments into mall more then disney. I wouldn’t be surprised if lego get with workshop and start making space marine toys.
I wouldn't necessarily call the super hero craze dead. What do all these flops have in common? They all push content that the audience does not want and/or characters/talent that the audience does not want. Another attribute that one could argue is that the producers of these movies have communicated that the content does not matter in relation to the content that the audience DOES want. The DC reboot is a great example of that as they nothing short of told the audience that all these movies before the reboot would not matter and the characters we wanted like Cavill's Superman were going away entirely. Fact is that IF they were producing content the audience wanted then the train might still be chugging along. They made the mistake of burying the characters people wanted and have yet to provide a reason why we should care about the characters they're trying to push with their identity politics and otherwise social engineering.
It's all for the sake of pushing "The Message". Also in The Flash's case it's a dead continuity because it's all gonna get rebooted anyway so why watch and the only people who are going to watch it are seeing it for the return of Micheal Keaton's Batman. These films are failing because they're pushing shit the audience doesn't want and the audience is leaving in response. The first three phases of the MCU were successful because they stayed true to the characters and respected their legacy. They've abandoned that now and look what happened.
everything is all ghey now too. They really want to push the ghey from all their secret ghey content meetings, which have very much happened. The brands are also now quite ghey now, so no reason to deal with such content. Marvel, DC, films in general; it's all about being pushing the ghey 12 months of the year 24/7 these days. They no longer have a month, they literally have the entire year. Social engineering indeed.
Yes but Ezra's crazy didn't become public until after the movie came out. I don't think he knew what a freak show Ezra Miller was, or maybe he at least thought the actor/studio was smart enough to keep it hidden. Either way, it's not Snyder's fault.
@@meyou9369 I would think that hiding your star would cause the studio to drop the actor. I could maybe see it with someone with star power who was troubled, like a Depp or Pitt or someone like that if they had personal problems. This Ezra miller person, I had to look him up to find out what he was in before that execs are willing to risk losses on him. Funny enough I hadn't heard of one movie or TV show he was in.
No, he didn't. Erza Miller was a studio choice. His casting does not make sense with other league members. Affleck, Cavill, Gadot, Fisher, and Mamoa's casting makes sense not Miller. Grant Gustin would have fit in perfectly with the rest of the cast as Barry Allen. Mu only problems with the Synderverse was thr casting as Erza Miller and Jesse Eisenberg as Lex and Cavill's Superman lacking personality in Dawn of Justice which was corrected in Syndercut of Justice League.
@@francarrey7501 I get so tired of people talking about Grant Gustin as if he's the greatest thing ever. He's a TV actor; he can't carry a feature film. It's like casting George Clooney as Batman.
I'm not sure they were ever good movies. They were always good for superhero movies but idc what it was once the hype wears off they are kind of corny. They run on nostalgia of childhood.
I think with regards to the flash one of the other big comparisons to no way home is that the flash gave away the secret in the marketing. They showed Keaton which kind of deflated what could have been a very cool surprise. Sony went to great lengths to obfuscate the other spiderman even scrubbing the footage. The result was a big surprise that pleased fans.
This video title is addressing a myth. There is no "Superhero farigue." There is a "woke fatigue." The Superhero genre has become synonymous with woke ideology. That os what killed this movoe genre.
At first I was fine with it. I mean inclusion and representation is a good thing but now they are just shoving it down your throats and if you don’t like a project they instantly shame you for it. Not to mention the toxic women and race swapping. Last straw for me was She Hulk.
@@khizeryusufzai2185Superheto fatigue is real. Yes yes, Across The Spiderverse is collecting big cash but that is a small exception. Arguing about whether the genre is experiencing fatigue is tiring but it's real.
@@Thomasmemoryscentral Incorrect. The movies that have failed have all been bad movies. Guardians of The Galaxy is an example. Although, I would personally argue it is not a good movie, it's box office was pretty consistent with the 2 prior movies. That is actually a decent performance considering it is the 3rd film in the franchise. Also, Spiderverse. Like you said, it is doing well. People have lost faith in the companies pumping out the garbage. Bait and switches, bad writing, agendas, forced diversity. All of those things are why these movies are failing. Not your stupid "superhero fatigue" garbage.
@@Thomasmemoryscentral The only way of know if Superhero fatigue is real is that if it affects good movies as well. Please name me a superhero movie that was well received by both critics & audiences but did poorly at the box office.
@@Thomasmemoryscentral Also, I guess by your logic we must be well into "Pixar fatigue" considering Pixar hasn't made a profitable movie since Toy Story 4. But it's cool TROLL.... just keep trolling. You have no argument.
The superhero genre isn't dead,woke horribly written and acted superhero genre is dead,if Hollywood was still putting out good movies like Marvel's Phase 1-3 people would still be going to the theaters but Hollywood decided that giving fans what they want and making boat loads of money wasn't important pushing forced diversity and representation is the key,the political agenda is what drives Hollywood and "The Message" is all that matters and we see the result,Superhero fatigue was never the problem, no longer caring about the fans is the problem.
I love superhero movies but they are just so soulless nowadays. Everytime I watch them, I feel like I'm just being sold a product. This plot point happens because we want to set up this character. This character doesn't die because we want them in the sequel. The world can't change too much because it would mess up with the other projects.
That's because these films have all become money laundering schemes, so they push the budgets as high as possible. You could still make most of these films at the $100 million price point without losing anything, you just have to avoid endless reshooting of half the film and quit forcing your effects companies to constantly redo the CGI because you decided you wanted a slightly different costume design. Just using actual suits instead of CGI nanotech suits would save a fortune and improve the films at the same time.
It's because most film releases don't make a huge profit. The studios have to rely on big budget films to break even. Instead of focusing on good stories they aim for the blockbuster and the occasional Oscar worthy hit. And yes, making a new award for the popular films was a big mistake by the Academy. We already had the People's Choice Awards.
I disagree that there's a disinterest in superhero films. Rather, there is a disinterest in bad superhero films. Too many garbage people with garbage beliefs and policies have spoiled what would have been great stories. I find myself just rewatching the Justice League cartoon series on Netflix over and over again, rather than ANY of the "justice League" or related movies as of late.
The same is probably true about "Star Wars" fatigue. Fans still want Star Wars but they are tierd of getting bait switched and given propaganda movies instead.
@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21 or maybe Spider-Man was a fluke. We would need more evidence to show your point. Eventually everything comes to an end. The superhero craze is probably dying off.
Exactly! It's ALL about the POLITICAL GARBAGE they have inserted. It's a reflection of the political GARBAGE the same neo-marxist t0rds represent in other areas of our culture.
I just can't see another resurgence of superhero films as we did in the early 2000s. The comic book industry was wildly successful back then, and that good will is what built that movie genre. But now, that industry is nearly dead, save for a burgeoning Indy scene, and Hollywood has nothing left to clout chase. They had their shot, and blew it after chasing out guys like us.
The excitement and anticipation between Infinity War and Endgame was intense. Me and my buddies at work were talking about that for the whole time for months and making theories about what would happen. Now it is just like 'oh yeah whatever...'
The only place the superhero genre has somewhat of a less cynical future is in animation. The Spider-Verse films are unironically the best superhero films I've seen in ages and it makes sense- the animated genre gives more of a canvas for the creativity of a comic book adaptation to thrive on. The animators and story writers feel less shackled to tell a proper story on this compared to live action and clearly shows. 7:06 Across the Spider-Verse literally did the 100+ Spider-Men thing and it came out well.
Superhero movies have been around forever. And they'll continue to be around forever. They are the modern myth. The only thing necessary to bring them back to their former glory is a decent story written well.
Super Hero Films failed when the villains became forgettable nobodies, now the heroes stand for representation, not for world justice. It happened when the characters became lame activists instead of badass heroes. When the genre was no longer about strength and fun powers, but political issues where the powers are generic and boring/unimportant. They discarded the fascination with Super Heroes: Unique and out of this world powers. As a kid I adored X-Men and Fantastic 4 movies, there was so much focus on just their powers and the many fun and creative possibilities they could come up with. I remember scenes of Mr Fantastic slipping his hand under a thin gap beneath a metal door, or his cartoony dance moves. Spiderman discovering his powers for the first time, being amazed by how he could climb a wall. I also adored the horrifying side effects: The Thing dealing with how his powers have turned him into a monster. Rogue struggling to be intimate with anyone. Clark Kent having to hide his super strength, letting his father die or be picked on to hide it. The original Super Man movies will always be classics because they too had fun moments of young Clark Kent trying out super speed for the first time, discovering that he can fly. The scene where he takes Lois Lane flying is still so romantic and wonderful. Super Hero films *used* to explore how fantastic these powers are, you could imagine how great it must be to have such power. That wonder is lost entirely in modern Marvel and DC, it's all just cosmic threats that plan to destroy all of earth and the heroes just fly around and punch eachother for actions sake. CGI just isn't impressive anymore and I feel like I'm watching a cutscene from a game, not a mind blowing effect or out of this world adventure. Practical effects in classic Super Hero films are pure magic. They make you say "HOW DID THEY DO THAT?!" you just don't get that anymore when it's clearly just a computer generated animation 😴
I am always there on day one… of the streaming release. I have a few health issues, and getting to the cinema/ theatre is problematic. I have been a comic book fan (mainly Marvel and DC) for almost fifty years, and have always dreamed of seeing the heroes on the big screen, in decent movies, with great effects. It is a great time for me to be alive. One thing I fail to understand, though: CGI costs seem to be skyrocketing, but they are not getting better - in many cases, they are getting worse. Why? And why bother with CGI, when many effects can be done practically, at a fraction of the cost? I don’t need special effects that blow me away. I just need them to be “believable”. Take, for example, a modern space battle. Lots of CGi, with ships, background, explosions, etc. Then look at Star Wars (the original, from 1977, before it became “A New Hope”. The final battle is all done with miniatures, and the effects added by hand. Now, I would go with CGI for the explosions, weapons fire, etc, these days, but even then, the end results are fantastic. Oh, and backgrounds. CGI these days. Back then, matte oil paintings on glass. Can you tell the difference? With 8k screens, yeah, OK. But it is still “believable”. I think, if “Hollywood” wants to survive, they need to take a look at where they throw their money, and when to use different types of effects. Soon, movie production will be so expensive that, in order to recoup their costs, ticket prices are going to have to be jacked up even higher, and the industry will self-implode under its own costs. And nobody wants that ( or do we?). Cinema is one of many important parts of our culture - we gather in groups of strangers, to enjoy a shared experience, which becomes another part of our collective experience. It would be a shame if it were to end.
This is the first time I can think of that studios are actively trying to resuscitate a dying movie trend and we are seeing it in real time. It used to be that, in the past, when a genre of film was on the wane be it musicals, westerns, or slashers, studios would simply let it die and continue to make movies until the next trend comes around. Now it seems like the studios are desperate to keep the superhero film genre going as it is dying. It’s as if superheroes is the last quick buck theater packer to exploit and there’s nothing left.
The franchise was successful when people actually LIKED the characters and enjoyed telling stories about them. Now it’s an obligation for the sake of money.
I left the Marvel train after Thor Love and Thunder. I’m done giving them my money. My god was that movie terrible. I DID go see Sony’s Across the Spiderverse, and it was amazing!
Superhero Movies have had a good run, but after their Decade of Dominance, I can’t say I’m sad to see them going the way of the Western for a while. Are they Dead Dead, no - we’ll probably still get some, but nowhere near at the rate we have been. Also I think Marvel pushing everything back a year is going to bite them hard - the MCU’s greatest strengths were Continuity, and how Consistently they put out new movies. Yeah, as a series it peaked with Endgame, but the year+ delays in new content because of Covid didn’t do them any favours. Delaying a year again because -checks notes- theres a writers strike (full honesty, if you were to tell me Marvel movies were written by an AI I’d believe it they’re that formulaic) isn’t going to do them any favours as far as catching that lightning again.
Disney has another problem they didn't factor in with the MCU: all the movies and shows are so intricately tied together, unless the quality is consistently kept up across the board, it's easy to dump the whole thing in an "all or nothing" move, making the turnover for audiences dropping out *even worse*
I’ve seen a lot of people say "superhero movies will go the way of the western" the reason the western genre died out was because they didn’t evolve they take any creative risks whatsoever and it was just the same thing over & over again. Superhero films can avoid this, if marvel listens to all the negative feedback it’s had for the past two years and start making more unique movies that branches off from their typical style of filmmaking, they could have staying power
I was a pretty big marvel/Macy fan boy. I couldn't believe I finally got to see my childhood heroes on the big screen. But then they just started pumping out forgetful garbage that they thought would sell just because it had the marvel logo on it. They literally oversaturated their own market with garbage rip offs. I knew the characters couldn't stay forever, but this...hand off is just terrible.
I tend to credit "Eternals" as Marvel's first real flop, despite how much Disney might want to blame the pandemic for its failure. And it's worth noting that Secret Invasion's score (currently at 69%) comes from RT's *television* critics, who by and large often seem to be a more forgiving bunch. Compare that result to other Marvel Disney+ shows (80% for She-Hulk, 98% for Ms. Marvel, 86% for Moon Knight, 92% for Hawkeye, etc...) and, well, ouch.
DC made one good film in the last decade (Wonder Woman) but followed it with an appalling sequel. Marvel keeps making films and TV shows that for some reason aren't The Fantastic Four or The X-Men, which is all anyone is waiting for. Neither studio is making anything audiences are asking for. For some reason, they just keep giving us the dross they want us to want. If Marvel gives us a quality Fantastic Four, and a terrifying Galactus, the tide will turn. If DC revisits the Green Lantern Corps and doesn't mess it up, they'll become worthy, viable competitors. And audiences will be forever grateful.
A good example for DC to follow was the Justice League and Justice League Unlimited animated series. MCU phases 1-3 were good, but the Avengers Earth Mightiest Heroes animated series was a really good template as well.
I knew when the flash bombed the "death of the superhero genre" talk was gonna come back up like Spiderverse didn't come out two weeks ago. There's still the Batman sequel, Deadpool 3, Spiderverse 3, plenty of peak to look forward too. And if they get rid of Ezra Miller the DCU could be going in the right direction. Marvel needs to reboot same as DC is doing.
Each major superhero was potentially worth a billion world wide. Instead they chose DEI heroes. They shoved them down our throats. We stopped paying for their content. They are crashing.
I remember the days of avoiding spoilers for the big MCU movies. I’m now finding that has shifted to movies like Scream and John Wick. I went into ant man knowing pretty much everything about it and I still left disappointed. I just don’t care for them anymore. I’ll always have phases 1-4 to rewatch at least.
I don't even think Ezra Miller's behavior is a big reason the Flash is flopping (though it certainly doesn't help), it's the track record of the DCU and the fact it looks like a PS3 game that's turning people off.
I belong to a group of viewers that is a guaranteed annuity to Disney that they decided they no longer wanted. Anything Disney is in my rearview mirror. The DCEU is struggling to find its footing and I am rooting for Gunn to set it right.
All they had to do is respect the source material Hire people who know the content and know what the fans want. Instead they hire activist to act write direct and produce, and they wonder why it's a bad product
I grew up with superhero and sci fi in the 80's and what I'm going to say may offend some: Both of those geners are highly dependent on it's fan base,the fans spend and bring friends or family along for the ride,so without them the whole gener is dead..... Since the 2016 all-girl Ghostbusters...whatever the hell that was Hollywood has gotten VERY political and doesn't feel right unless they're jamming propaganda or social programming into their works,part and parcel to that they also have not only alienated fans they've actively attacked them and the characters themselves to hone their message for the maximum effect of "I hate everything and everybody in our society and I'm going to change or destroy it all!" They're getting their wish,the fans have run for cover and it's turning into a culture war that Hollywood is losing,no fans equals no profit,the average person ain't gonna go see Star Wars,Marvel,DC or any of the others if their geek friends are telling them to run away. So get a tombstone this whole thing is going to die off,we may go back to the odd film every few years like in the 80's or to none at all,with maybe some shoddy made for TV (or now streaming) junk.
I was like two or three when the first Iron Man came out; And now in 2023, I’m a grown a** adult whose burnt out from watching Marvel. Don’t get me wrong, I love (most of) these movies because they were my equivalent to classic Starwars or StarTrek, but I felt they should’ve ended with “Endgame”. I feel like we’re having another “Batman & Robin moment” and that superhero movies should be put on hiatus…except for DC movies, but that’s my inner nerd saying that lol!
Great comic book superheroes are being ruined by some of these crappy live-action feature film and/or TV adaptations which have deviated from the original source material (the comics) ! Their names & reputations are being destroyed by these idiotic writers, directors, and... in some cases... actors who neither know much about NOR care much about these iconic characters ! It just pains me to hear people saying bad things about these wonderful superhero characters that I grew up reading about in comic books such as CAPTAIN MARVEL, THE FLASH, GREEN LANTERN, SHE-HULK, and so on ! People who say that they are tired of these live-action feature films and TV shows based on comic book superheroes were NEVER really fans of the genre to begin with ! The idiots in Hollywood need to understand that the fans are the ones who pay for these things ! NOT the stupid "general audience" who doesn't give a crap nor truly understand what the comic book superhero genre is all about ! If Hollywood doesn't stop trying to be better than the original source material AND if they can stop shoving woke feminist agenda down the audience's throats, then they might start making money again ! There is NO "superhero fatigue" ! People are tired of seeing bad writing, forced comedy, Mary Sues, and woke garbage in their comic book superhero movies !!!!
It really is too bad Ezra Miller went crazy and has all these problems. I saw The Flash I'm not forgiving Ezra Miller but he was fantastic as The Flash in the movie.
Even in MCU Phases 1 to 3, there were only a few standout films in terms of true quality. Most of the sequels and sequel sequels were not good, and I only went to see Avengers Endgame because a big MCU fan got everybody together. The whole thing needs time to rest and get new creative minds who can rejuvenate the genre.
I am a superhero fan, from comics to the films and even some of the cartoons: Batman the Animated Series. The largest mistake made by DC was to attempt to 'combine' their heroes into one film TOO SOON. We had barely met the new Wonder Woman when suddenly she was going to battle with Bats and Supes - yes they are the BIG 3 of DC - this was too fast. The dark Superman was idiotic. Cavill was an awesome casting choice and unlike what James Gunn has put out ther I think audiences ARE capable of ignoring what was something silly or unwanted and take on a new vision of the character with the same actor. I would love to have seen a World's Finest with Bat and Supes, or a better start up for the Justice League, possibly coming on after two World's Finest films. They had SOOOO MUCH great material to work with from the 50+ years of comics and they chose to go with the 'multiverse' stuff that came at the end of a great run - I HATED the 1990s all-crossover Crisis on Infinite Earths, and stopped almost all my subscriptions as that train wreck happened. This multi-verse stuff in the films is the same energy that I did not like from the Crisis comics - you do that at the END, when you plan to re-start EVERYTHING. So, I say that they have ended. I'll have to see a good review before I bother paying for another movie ticket for any super-hero film. I'll have to see Dizney in flames before I bother paying any more attention to any of the great fiction properties they have mangled. There are only 3 Indianna Jones films, only 6 Star Wars films and Star Trek ended with Generations.
What happened was a lot of their audience grew up after the pandemic. A lot of these super heroes just look out of place now just like the old Universal Monsters horror movies did after World War 2.
So in just 4 years (2019 to 2023) they "grew up?" Personally I got tired a long time ago. I saw the first X-Men movie in the theater in 2000 and by the time the second Avengers movie came out 15 fucking years later I was like, "That's it, I'm done." So it took me 15 years for the fatigue to finally wear me out completely.
This video essay provides a thought-provoking analysis of the current state of the superhero genre. It's interesting to reflect on the evolution of these films, especially when we consider the superhero films of the 90s and early 2000s. During that era, we witnessed a diverse range of storytelling and character development, from the campy yet endearing "Batman & Robin" to the introspective and gritty "Blade" series. The superhero genre has indeed seen its share of gems that dared to push boundaries and defy the conventional superhero narrative. Films like "Logan", "Batman v Superman", and "The Incredible Hulk" offered a darker, more complex perspective on our beloved heroes. The Dark Knight trilogy, in particular, set a new standard for superhero films with its mature themes and intricate character arcs. However, it's worth noting that the landscape has changed significantly over the years. Marvel/Disney's approach, for instance, has shifted towards a more socially conscious, or as some would say, "woke" narrative. While this has led to more diverse representation, it has also sparked debates about the authenticity and intention behind these changes. Moreover, the current trend seems to favor a more formulaic, "cookie-cutter" approach to superhero films. This is perhaps a result of studios being less willing to take risks due to the high stakes involved in terms of budget and box office expectations. On the other hand, DC continues to take creative risks, often resulting in a more varied and unpredictable slate of films. Whether this approach is more successful or appreciated than Marvel's is subjective and largely depends on individual viewer preferences. In conclusion, while the superhero genre may be experiencing a decline in popularity, it's important to remember that it has always been cyclical. Just as the golden age of superhero films in the 90s and early 2000s gave way to a new era, so too could the current trend pave the way for another evolution of the genre. Only time will tell what the future holds for our caped crusaders and masked vigilantes.
Yeah, I'm sorry, but good. I'm a long time comics fan and comics were, in large part, ruined by becoming mainstream. I've said for years the only hope for them is to go back to the status of old. Yes, everyone will always know Spider-Man, Batman, and Superman, but, FFS, we should not have two Suicide Squad and three Guardians of the Galaxy movies. I don't know if they will ever be good again or not, but having to stand on their own, and not be supplemental material to films and TV, is a necessary first step to try.
It wasn't because they became mainstream. Comics were already being captured by the woke and slowly turning to crap, it just took time for what was already happening in them to catchup to the mainstream.
I enjoyed aspects of the DCEU but it always seemed bafflingly all over the place with dark movies like Batman vs super and ridiculous movies like suicide squad
I think big budget comic book movies need to take a hiatus. Spider-Man, Blade, X-Men and Batman were all successful in the 90's and 2000's because they were actual cinematic events and you didn't have 5 marvel movies coming out each year. The films all had their own unique style and had actual effort put into them. But nowadays there's a superhero movie coming out every other month, which worked briefly for Marvel when building up to Infinity War, but now nearly all superhero movies look and feel exactly the same. So I think the genre for right now belongs on TV, which can tell the same stories with lower budgets and more manageable pacing and only having creatively unique movies like Joker, No Way Home, and The Batman (all financial successes) releasing periodically until enough interest drums up again in big event films.
@@hemantks4353 Batman is no longer a box office guarantee, I'm afraid. He was plastered all over The Flash's marketing, and look at how hard that movie is bombing. The Batman made money, but I hear literally nobody talking about it now. We'll see how that sequel does, I guess. The worst that Spider-Man has done are The Amazing Spider-Man movies. I hate those movies, but they still made some money.
@@spiderleenie Lol everyone still talks about The Batman. Even more than No way home. Also Batman is a box office guarantee. It was a Flash movie that flopped not Batman
The concept of a cinematic universe will forever hang around the neck of superhero movies and drag them down. People no longer go to see a superhero movie just for the experience of seeing a good movie. No, now it has to connect to other movies and characters or be deemed meaningless. The movie Cocaine Bear, did a lot of people say it was bad or meaningless because it wasn't connected to some CBCU (cocaine bear cinematic universe)? Now contrast this with tons and tons of people saying The Flash is pointless because the DCEU is just being rebooted anyway. It takes a truly special stand alone spuerhero movie to break out now if it isn't a "CU" movie (Joker for example).
"It's not dead, it's just resting!" They only need to make quality movies, and stay loyal to the fans and the source material, and avoid all divisive "modern ideology" and "political identity." We watch movies to be entertained, not lectured about the morally questionable values of the writers and producers. Respect your fans, and you will make money. Simple formula. They are NOT making movies for "modern audiences", they are making movies to pat themselves on the back.
To be honest, what I could really use right now is a good samurai movie. I should go watch "Seven Samurai" or "Shogun" again. A Western might scratch the itch, too. Or something with an everyman overcoming the odds, without the use of superpowers.
Its because Hollywood no longer knows what its doing. For Marvel, like no one really cares about watching movies about minor superhero characters. People want to see Captain America, Hulk, X-Men, Ironman, etc. Even when they do, the mess up them up like Thor, Hulk, etc. For DC, they could've made some good movies, but they dropped the ball. How many origin stories do they need for Batman, Superman, etc? They dropped the ball with Batman. So many decent villains were left that hadn't seen the big screen. Superman, well, there hasn't really been a decent superman since Christopher Reeve played the role. If DC had played it smart, they should've built it up to eventually to the Justice League vs the Legion of Doom.
Superhero movies aren't dead. (DCEU may be though.) They just aren't "instant money" like they used to be. Studios actually have to make good movies to pull in audiences. Guardians 3 and Spiderverse 2 are doing pretty well. Also, I can see a resurgence when Marvel switches gears to the Xmen. I think they are (rightfully) waiting until the bad taste from the FOX Xmen is forgotten. They went out with a whimper. A good Xmen movie could pull in a billion easily.
No trend lasts forever. This one took a long time to develop, paid out a lot, peaked very high, grew into many new and surprising directions, and is unsurprisingly losing momentum and become stale and repetitive.
Yeah man, I don't think this premise is exactly right. I think by and large the public is tired of BAD superhero movies...formulaic, generic, cookie-cutter superhero movies. People wanted to see adaptations of the favorite comic storylines, not butcherings of them. People wanted characters with flaws that outlined their weaknesses and made them more human...not Captain Marvel to singlehandedly fly in and save the day with LaserBeams™ Talking with my friends about superhero media recently, we all agreed that Marvel was screwing up by replacing the main cast with Diverse™ counterparts: Anthony Masters (Taskmaster) > Antonia Dreykov Hawkeye > Kate Bishop Thor > Jane Foster (temporarily) Steve Rodgers > Sam Wilson (arguably the best swap, at least it felt deserved) T'Challa > Shuri Tony Stark > Riri Williams Bruce Banner > Jennifer Walters Loki > Sylvie AND INTRODUCING Shang-Chi, Ms Marvel, Monica Rambeau, America Chavez, Namor, Echo, & big-bads Valentina de Fontaine & Kang! As for DC, they should have established a cinematic premise of The Multiverse a LONG time ago and people would have been so much more open to the movies not referencing one another like the MCU did.
Super Heroes aren't dead but Marvel & DC may as well be, both in the comics and movies. Most normies haven't heard about "My Hero Academia" yet and I kind of prefer it that way. Going mainstream is a sign to political opportunist that you are officially a 'platform' worth corrupting.
Used to show up to see a Movie or two early into it's run time, Generally within the first or second week, but its' been getting more and more 'No' over the years, not from Superhero Fatigue, I don't believe that it's a thing. But 'Bad/Preacher Writhing' that is in pretty much everything. TH-cam Bloggs like yours and Gaming videos from others are more entertaining since they actually just have good amounts of information, and entertainment that's not telling me to respect Pronouns, and figure out several different reasons why I'm apparently a bad person cause I somehow offended someone by saying 'Hello' in a tone they didn't appreciate. You work in retail for a bit, you start to become numb to it during hours, and when you get home or are looking for entertainment, you 'DON'T' need that to have 'Fun' and it just makes the experience feel terrible. So thanks to channels like you guys WCB for giving me something to listen too while I trail off into my games, my own art, my work, and keep going as you do Fam.
Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should. Just like musicals, cowboy movies and so on Hollywood never knows when...scratch that....HOW to move on to something new.
How did CGI become MORE expensive? The cost of every other endeavor requiring computational power has gone down with time, but CGI costs have gone up while the quality has also gone down.
The studios are blissfully unaware of a thing called over-saturation. Or maybe more cynically, well aware and exploiting less and less discriminating audiences. Having an X-Men movie come out every couple of years, or Spiderman one summer then Batman the next left fans of the genre wanting more and anticipating the next film. Now there’s 12 movies and TV shows simultaneously all begging for attention and referencing each other to appease the übernerds. I don’t want to have to consult a spreadsheet timeline to see if I’m watching a show in the correct universe’s timeline order. I don’t even want to have to watch half of these pseudo-important characters because some reference is made to them in another show. The writing is being grotesquely watered down across all of these titles instead of amalgamating the interesting developments and plots into one or two better quality titles. Now they’re filling two hours of space with slow-witted “heroes” taking half the movie to figure out what the audience had deduced within three minutes then filling out the remaining time with “Things Keep Exploding! Parts 278,291-278,786.” It’s dreck, but the studios don’t care because they know they have the fanbois by the ‘nads who will watch anything with the brand logo on it out of completionist OCD mindlessness.
Nope. That last superhero film I saw was Black Panther in 2018 and that was an okay movie. And I really can't think of any modern movie I'm interested in seeing this year or beyond that.
First of all the 1942 Superman is my favorite!! The S shield looks awesome. I wish it stayed that way. Also you make some good points but I disagree on some. I don’t think the superhero craze is dead. For example: for a long time fans(including me) have been begging for a Man of Steel 2 & Justice League 2(both Snyder cut obviously). If DC made those two films they would’ve made a ton of money. Bring back Henry Cavill and fire Ezra Miller. Simple. Plus look at the popularity of Spider-Man 2 PS5. The Fanbase will pay money to see superhero movies with decent good stories for all ages. No disgusting political messages(and of course no actors with a criminal record lol 😂).
WB may as well shut down their DC film efforts before it costs them even more money. The reputation of the brand with mainstream audiences is in the toilet. Even if somehow James Gunn produces good DC movies in the future, it won't change things. And it doesn't help that people are sick of superhero movies at this point. The basic fact is DC almost completely missed the superhero gravy train (which should just be called the Marvel gravy train since it was the only superhero universe that succeeded)
Fox X-Men did pretty well. Sony Spider-Man as well. Fox only went on the rocks after the acquisition by Disney. Sony made money on every Spider-Man movie.
@@exhaustguy Fox's X-Men was so uneven. The first two were good, but those were before the MCU boom. Then afterwards it was hits and misses. Seems like more misses than hits. I'm not sure what to think of Spider-Man. The recent live-action movies are certainly tied to the MCU, so I can't separate them. The Andrew Garfield movies had problems and were abandoned by Sony. The Spiderverse movies you can definitely say are independent successes.
@@fattiger6957 There were Phase 1-3 movies that were also not very good (Dark World, Iron Man 2 (and I would argue 3), Ultron (better in hindsight after rewatching but disappointing where first released), and Hulk. The fish out of water Thor scenes were a bit awkward in Thor 1, but Asgaard scenes were great. I thought your statement was about profitability, and Fox and Sony have done very well in that regard (far better than WB with DC outside of Batman).
They made so much money that politics and infighting took the priority. Kevin Feige is the worst of them all. He was the frontman of the producers, because he was the biggest geek, but he was hardly the father of MCU, that would be Ike Perlemutter, CEO of Marvel Entertainment. They had good results with movies, but they fought over everything. Feige made his move and with help of Disney CEO Bob Iger he split Marvel Studios (movies) from the rest of marvel and started reporting directly to Disney in 2015 and took over creative control in 2019. They pushed smearing campaign to remove any chance of Ike fighting back. Funniest thing is Feige and Iger portraying Perlmutter as racist, (blocking diversity) good old woke talk. In reality Perlemutter was crucial in creating Blade in 2018 lol. Now we all see the results of full creativity of Kevin. Nobody can challenge him, or gave him any feedback. He was surrounded only by yes men and women like Alonso. Don’t be mistaken, she was doing everything with his approval. She was then fired as a scapegoat to cover for him hehe. Every project announced after 2015 is a child of Feige, great job Kevin. At least nobody will accuse us of being sexist when the entire fandom finally will understand who is to blame.
I think Deadpool 3 will prove it isn't so much superhero fatigue as it is fatigue of piss poor writing and planning, injected personal politics that feel forced, emasculation of male roles, mary sues, ignorance of source materials, etc. etc. all of this is easily fixed and I have no idea why it wasn't (although I can guess that it might start from the bottom but be the choices of management ie: hiring quota vs hiring talent, birth of the wage slave [work till you quit or performance drops then get replaced by someone cheaper], cutbacks that create poor working conditions for 10s or 100s so that 2-3 people at the top can take a nicer bonus home) All that being said DP3 still has a possibility to fail due to poor writing or CGI (Like Wolverine origins)
I went and saw The Flash today. I enjoyed it; will probably buy the Blu-Ray when it comes out. I didn't follow the actress' legal troubles; frankly, I don't care about them. I was entertained, not as much as the Super Mario Bros. movie, but it was what I excepted. I wanted a 'turn my brain off' action movie, and that's what I got. Now, that being said, I'm not gonna run out and see every superhero movie that comes out; I've only seen about 4 or 5 of the Marvel movies. First Avenger and Ironman was ok, I was indifferent to Morpheus and did not like Captain America: Civil War one bit. But this movie, I enjoyed.
Spidermans (no way home) is the only marvel movie I've seen on a big screen since Endgame. I fell asleep trying to watch Dr Strange 2 and black panther 2. Both of which didn't star the titular character... at least as much as I did stay awake for.
They chased off the Gen X parents, and their expendable income. Oh, yeah. They lost the Gen X kids they were bringing with them to all the movies. They chased us away from comics as well. They lost me, they lost my wife and kids. That's a lot of tickets across the board.
Gen Z and Gen Next don’t buy toys
Only the adults with disposable income would buy the toys but they only want OG stuff as the new characters all suck.
FACTS 💯
everything has purposely been turned ghey. They hate you even having a family and are trying to go after your kids. Nothing is pro-family at all, quite the opposite with the media empires...whom now are quite ghey themselves.
Agreed. I took my son to almost all the films and bought merch not any more. We watch manga together now.
They lost even us older Gen Xers with no kids who liked animation and superhero movies, and bought a figure or piece of merchandise here and there. My husband and I were fine watching each X-Men and Avengers movie and all kinds of animation. Now we only go to the theater for serious adult films (Dune, Oppenheimer).
I would say "killed off" more that just dead. Dead just doesn't emphases it is more about how much the studios screwed up.
The funny part is the disney movies always sucked. They were never any good, it was just hype pushing glorified michael bay films.
@@dixonhill1108whether they sucked or not is subjective, but at least they were fun.
DC Animated is 10x better than any live action movies that DC and Marvel been putting out lately
And to think all they had to do was live action adapt those films. MORONS. Just like all Star Wars had to do was adapt the most popular Expanded Universe stories recasting the principals if necessary but offering a frame or a one off movie for them.
It's what most fans want, for the direct to video animated movie division to take over direction on the live action movie division of DC. Executives there were literally asked about doing this and they just said no, they weren't going to do that.
I'm a Snyderverse lover, but what I've seen of the DCAU, I'd welcome them taking over (I've still got a lot I need to watch; I loved Suicide Squad: Hell To Pay).
@@davidcatlett4052 Hell to pay was great my favorite is Assult on Arkham
I loved the Death of Superman movie, as well as the Reign of the Supermen movie. Although, I do have to point out that's it's easier for animated, straight-to-home-video movies than live-action, theatrical films. DC Animated can do The Death of Superman, and fans of the comic will snatch it up, already knowing the history and even the story. Theatrical films are made for a much larger audience, so to do Death of Superman in live-action, there would have to be a number of movies building up to that event. You can't kill Superman after just one film, as we saw in Batman v Superman. It just doesn't work; it doesn't feel earned in terms of the story. So, there's much more freedom in adopting stories in the animated movies.
DCAU FOREVER!
They literally have decades of source material laid out for them. All they have to do is follow it as is maybe change tiny bits here and there and adapt it to the big screen. But no, they think they are and know better than the original writers.
This exactly... also Political correctness, woke agendas and content that the veiwers never asked for have killed not just thw super hero genre but most hollywood releases.
Filmmakers are not obligated to follow the comics 100%, cause what works in a comic book doesn’t translate well to the big screen. Look at films like Capt America Civil War & Logan both films aren’t completely comic accurate yet they are considered some of the best CBM and you have things like Watchmen which is faithful to the source material and a lot of people disliked it.
@@johnconstantine973-p2m not obligated but it is highly advisable. We don't want to see their version of the story, we want to see the story that we read in the comics. If they want to make their own then they are free to do so, let someone else handle it that knows how to follow what's already been written that made it popular in the first place.
It didn’t die, it was sacrificed, in the altar of Wokeness. Believe me, if they kept doing good stories, it would still be popular! The love for this characters never died! BUT NOPE!! WOKENESS OVER COMMON SENSE!!
Yeah, they thought they could put whatever out and people would lap it up like a thirsty dog drinking water on a hot summer day.
They thought wrong.
I've collected comics for over 50 years. I've collected super hero movies since VHS was introduced. There was a lot of bad and a lot of good. But the poor thinking skills of current creators leads me to believe these things that I've cherished for half a century, may never be readable or watchable again. It's clear that without clearing out the rot, and deliberately teaching the next generation of creators, logic, reason, and the legitimate writing process, nothing except the odd anomaly can be expected to be worth time and price. I'm about done.
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Studios alienated superfans. This is peak stupidity. Superfans are the greatest influencers who spread the word far and wide when product is good.
I saw a few recent X-men comics a few weeks ago and I swear the art looked like it was drawn by a 1st grade child .
I think the big turnoff is that the new generation of writers and artists whether subconsciously or intentionally are now much more familiar with the film counterparts of the characters they're writing or drawing than they are the decades plus history that existed long before the MCU ever even existed. Used to be someone like Geoff Johns writing the Avengers and admitting he'd never even read the book prior to taking on the job and bombing was seen as the outlier, but these days its more likely the norm whether or not these same people want to admit it...
I agree with u. I feel like i lost a long time friend
Ever since they killed Star Wars I noticed more people are happy to make their own stories. Plus, Disney just holding on the licensing. They have nothing better to do. Their parks are dying that’s why Lego is making investments into mall more then disney. I wouldn’t be surprised if lego get with workshop and start making space marine toys.
A Lego Doomslayer's Super-Shotgun would be awesome.
I wouldn't necessarily call the super hero craze dead. What do all these flops have in common? They all push content that the audience does not want and/or characters/talent that the audience does not want. Another attribute that one could argue is that the producers of these movies have communicated that the content does not matter in relation to the content that the audience DOES want. The DC reboot is a great example of that as they nothing short of told the audience that all these movies before the reboot would not matter and the characters we wanted like Cavill's Superman were going away entirely. Fact is that IF they were producing content the audience wanted then the train might still be chugging along. They made the mistake of burying the characters people wanted and have yet to provide a reason why we should care about the characters they're trying to push with their identity politics and otherwise social engineering.
It's all for the sake of pushing "The Message". Also in The Flash's case it's a dead continuity because it's all gonna get rebooted anyway so why watch and the only people who are going to watch it are seeing it for the return of Micheal Keaton's Batman.
These films are failing because they're pushing shit the audience doesn't want and the audience is leaving in response. The first three phases of the MCU were successful because they stayed true to the characters and respected their legacy. They've abandoned that now and look what happened.
everything is all ghey now too. They really want to push the ghey from all their secret ghey content meetings, which have very much happened. The brands are also now quite ghey now, so no reason to deal with such content. Marvel, DC, films in general; it's all about being pushing the ghey 12 months of the year 24/7 these days. They no longer have a month, they literally have the entire year. Social engineering indeed.
Indeed
Naw, it’s dead. Flash didn’t have “the message” but no one cares enough to see it. Not even all the gen x Batman fans.
Every genre has a self life. And the super hero genre 😮 🕶️just expired. 😎
Don't ever forget that Synder gave us Ezra Miller
Yes but Ezra's crazy didn't become public until after the movie came out. I don't think he knew what a freak show Ezra Miller was, or maybe he at least thought the actor/studio was smart enough to keep it hidden. Either way, it's not Snyder's fault.
@@meyou9369 I would think that hiding your star would cause the studio to drop the actor. I could maybe see it with someone with star power who was troubled, like a Depp or Pitt or someone like that if they had personal problems. This Ezra miller person, I had to look him up to find out what he was in before that execs are willing to risk losses on him. Funny enough I hadn't heard of one movie or TV show he was in.
No, he didn't. Erza Miller was a studio choice. His casting does not make sense with other league members. Affleck, Cavill, Gadot, Fisher, and Mamoa's casting makes sense not Miller. Grant Gustin would have fit in perfectly with the rest of the cast as Barry Allen. Mu only problems with the Synderverse was thr casting as Erza Miller and Jesse Eisenberg as Lex and Cavill's Superman lacking personality in Dawn of Justice which was corrected in Syndercut of Justice League.
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I get so tired of people talking about Grant Gustin as if he's the greatest thing ever. He's a TV actor; he can't carry a feature film. It's like casting George Clooney as Batman.
@peakxxvvJames Gunn will to
I'll always cherish the movies that are a part of MCU phases 1, 2, and 3.
Plus the Spider-Man movies in general.
Based. I completely agree with you, except for Across The Spider-Verse and its upcoming sequel (both of which I'll never watch).
@@Rishi123456789 why?
Turns out Nick Fury was Mace Windu all along!
Don't forget, Thor hooked up with Anakin's wife. Lord Vader will be mad(der)
I don't think it's the "superhero genre outstayed it's welcome". I think it is "bad writing that's poisoned almost all genres outstayed it's welcome".
We are back to 90s again where Superhero movies are bad.
I'm not sure they were ever good movies. They were always good for superhero movies but idc what it was once the hype wears off they are kind of corny. They run on nostalgia of childhood.
Those films still used wirework.
I think with regards to the flash one of the other big comparisons to no way home is that the flash gave away the secret in the marketing. They showed Keaton which kind of deflated what could have been a very cool surprise. Sony went to great lengths to obfuscate the other spiderman even scrubbing the footage. The result was a big surprise that pleased fans.
This video title is addressing a myth. There is no "Superhero farigue." There is a "woke fatigue." The Superhero genre has become synonymous with woke ideology. That os what killed this movoe genre.
At first I was fine with it. I mean inclusion and representation is a good thing but now they are just shoving it down your throats and if you don’t like a project they instantly shame you for it. Not to mention the toxic women and race swapping. Last straw for me was She Hulk.
@@khizeryusufzai2185Superheto fatigue is real.
Yes yes, Across The Spiderverse is collecting big cash but that is a small exception. Arguing about whether the genre is experiencing fatigue is tiring but it's real.
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Incorrect. The movies that have failed have all been bad movies. Guardians of The Galaxy is an example. Although, I would personally argue it is not a good movie, it's box office was pretty consistent with the 2 prior movies. That is actually a decent performance considering it is the 3rd film in the franchise. Also, Spiderverse. Like you said, it is doing well.
People have lost faith in the companies pumping out the garbage. Bait and switches, bad writing, agendas, forced diversity. All of those things are why these movies are failing. Not your stupid "superhero fatigue" garbage.
@@Thomasmemoryscentral The only way of know if Superhero fatigue is real is that if it affects good movies as well. Please name me a superhero movie that was well received by both critics & audiences but did poorly at the box office.
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Also, I guess by your logic we must be well into "Pixar fatigue" considering Pixar hasn't made a profitable movie since Toy Story 4.
But it's cool TROLL.... just keep trolling. You have no argument.
It reminds me of that Video of EVS and Cecil, Warner Bros and Disney had the perfect opportunity to make bank and instead it was shit down the toilet.
The superhero genre isn't dead,woke horribly written and acted superhero genre is dead,if Hollywood was still putting out good movies like Marvel's Phase 1-3 people would still be going to the theaters but Hollywood decided that giving fans what they want and making boat loads of money wasn't important pushing forced diversity and representation is the key,the political agenda is what drives Hollywood and "The Message" is all that matters and we see the result,Superhero fatigue was never the problem, no longer caring about the fans is the problem.
The problem now is oversaturation combined with crappy writing. Even if all of the D+ shows were top notch, it'd be impossible to keep up.
I love superhero movies but they are just so soulless nowadays. Everytime I watch them, I feel like I'm just being sold a product.
This plot point happens because we want to set up this character.
This character doesn't die because we want them in the sequel.
The world can't change too much because it would mess up with the other projects.
It's insane that movies now have to make half a billion dollars in order to break even.
Because directors spead a billion to make these films for some reason
Still waiting to hear where the money went. It doesn't seem to be into the CGI.
I'm convinced movie making is a money laundering scheme. I mean, 200 million, that's the budget of a small city.
That's because these films have all become money laundering schemes, so they push the budgets as high as possible. You could still make most of these films at the $100 million price point without losing anything, you just have to avoid endless reshooting of half the film and quit forcing your effects companies to constantly redo the CGI because you decided you wanted a slightly different costume design. Just using actual suits instead of CGI nanotech suits would save a fortune and improve the films at the same time.
It's because most film releases don't make a huge profit. The studios have to rely on big budget films to break even. Instead of focusing on good stories they aim for the blockbuster and the occasional Oscar worthy hit. And yes, making a new award for the popular films was a big mistake by the Academy. We already had the People's Choice Awards.
I disagree that there's a disinterest in superhero films. Rather, there is a disinterest in bad superhero films. Too many garbage people with garbage beliefs and policies have spoiled what would have been great stories. I find myself just rewatching the Justice League cartoon series on Netflix over and over again, rather than ANY of the "justice League" or related movies as of late.
The Spider-Verse films prove your point. Make good enough stories with good enough visuals and they will still be massively popular and beloved hits.
The same is probably true about "Star Wars" fatigue. Fans still want Star Wars but they are tierd of getting bait switched and given propaganda movies instead.
@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21 or maybe Spider-Man was a fluke. We would need more evidence to show your point. Eventually everything comes to an end. The superhero craze is probably dying off.
Yes. People want The Justice League not the Social Justice League.
Exactly! It's ALL about the POLITICAL GARBAGE they have inserted. It's a reflection of the political GARBAGE the same neo-marxist t0rds represent in other areas of our culture.
"50 years from now, all shall declare, never before in the history of Hollywood was so much technology squandered on so little imagination." NovRen
I just can't see another resurgence of superhero films as we did in the early 2000s. The comic book industry was wildly successful back then, and that good will is what built that movie genre. But now, that industry is nearly dead, save for a burgeoning Indy scene, and Hollywood has nothing left to clout chase. They had their shot, and blew it after chasing out guys like us.
The excitement and anticipation between Infinity War and Endgame was intense. Me and my buddies at work were talking about that for the whole time for months and making theories about what would happen. Now it is just like 'oh yeah whatever...'
I have the same memories. It was a short, but good time.
The only place the superhero genre has somewhat of a less cynical future is in animation. The Spider-Verse films are unironically the best superhero films I've seen in ages and it makes sense- the animated genre gives more of a canvas for the creativity of a comic book adaptation to thrive on. The animators and story writers feel less shackled to tell a proper story on this compared to live action and clearly shows. 7:06 Across the Spider-Verse literally did the 100+ Spider-Men thing and it came out well.
And it turns out, they started sneaking in transgender kids BS into their cartoons. I'm officially out.
no, your doing cognitive dissonance now and choosing to ignore the red flags shown in that film. That film was still pushing the message.
Superhero movies have been around forever. And they'll continue to be around forever. They are the modern myth.
The only thing necessary to bring them back to their former glory is a decent story written well.
The Boys series goes against the grain and is hugely entertaining.
I will never watch a super-pozzed movie like Across The Spider-Verse.
Super Hero Films failed when the villains became forgettable nobodies, now the heroes stand for representation, not for world justice. It happened when the characters became lame activists instead of badass heroes. When the genre was no longer about strength and fun powers, but political issues where the powers are generic and boring/unimportant.
They discarded the fascination with Super Heroes: Unique and out of this world powers. As a kid I adored X-Men and Fantastic 4 movies, there was so much focus on just their powers and the many fun and creative possibilities they could come up with.
I remember scenes of Mr Fantastic slipping his hand under a thin gap beneath a metal door, or his cartoony dance moves. Spiderman discovering his powers for the first time, being amazed by how he could climb a wall.
I also adored the horrifying side effects: The Thing dealing with how his powers have turned him into a monster. Rogue struggling to be intimate with anyone. Clark Kent having to hide his super strength, letting his father die or be picked on to hide it.
The original Super Man movies will always be classics because they too had fun moments of young Clark Kent trying out super speed for the first time, discovering that he can fly. The scene where he takes Lois Lane flying is still so romantic and wonderful.
Super Hero films *used* to explore how fantastic these powers are, you could imagine how great it must be to have such power.
That wonder is lost entirely in modern Marvel and DC, it's all just cosmic threats that plan to destroy all of earth and the heroes just fly around and punch eachother for actions sake. CGI just isn't impressive anymore and I feel like I'm watching a cutscene from a game, not a mind blowing effect or out of this world adventure.
Practical effects in classic Super Hero films are pure magic. They make you say "HOW DID THEY DO THAT?!" you just don't get that anymore when it's clearly just a computer generated animation 😴
I am always there on day one… of the streaming release. I have a few health issues, and getting to the cinema/ theatre is problematic.
I have been a comic book fan (mainly Marvel and DC) for almost fifty years, and have always dreamed of seeing the heroes on the big screen, in decent movies, with great effects. It is a great time for me to be alive.
One thing I fail to understand, though: CGI costs seem to be skyrocketing, but they are not getting better - in many cases, they are getting worse. Why? And why bother with CGI, when many effects can be done practically, at a fraction of the cost? I don’t need special effects that blow me away. I just need them to be “believable”. Take, for example, a modern space battle. Lots of CGi, with ships, background, explosions, etc. Then look at Star Wars (the original, from 1977, before it became “A New Hope”. The final battle is all done with miniatures, and the effects added by hand. Now, I would go with CGI for the explosions, weapons fire, etc, these days, but even then, the end results are fantastic. Oh, and backgrounds. CGI these days. Back then, matte oil paintings on glass. Can you tell the difference? With 8k screens, yeah, OK. But it is still “believable”.
I think, if “Hollywood” wants to survive, they need to take a look at where they throw their money, and when to use different types of effects. Soon, movie production will be so expensive that, in order to recoup their costs, ticket prices are going to have to be jacked up even higher, and the industry will self-implode under its own costs.
And nobody wants that ( or do we?). Cinema is one of many important parts of our culture - we gather in groups of strangers, to enjoy a shared experience, which becomes another part of our collective experience. It would be a shame if it were to end.
This is the first time I can think of that studios are actively trying to resuscitate a dying movie trend and we are seeing it in real time. It used to be that, in the past, when a genre of film was on the wane be it musicals, westerns, or slashers, studios would simply let it die and continue to make movies until the next trend comes around. Now it seems like the studios are desperate to keep the superhero film genre going as it is dying. It’s as if superheroes is the last quick buck theater packer to exploit and there’s nothing left.
The franchise was successful when people actually LIKED the characters and enjoyed telling stories about them. Now it’s an obligation for the sake of money.
I left the Marvel train after Thor Love and Thunder. I’m done giving them my money. My god was that movie terrible.
I DID go see Sony’s Across the Spiderverse, and it was amazing!
Superhero Movies have had a good run, but after their Decade of Dominance, I can’t say I’m sad to see them going the way of the Western for a while. Are they Dead Dead, no - we’ll probably still get some, but nowhere near at the rate we have been.
Also I think Marvel pushing everything back a year is going to bite them hard - the MCU’s greatest strengths were Continuity, and how Consistently they put out new movies. Yeah, as a series it peaked with Endgame, but the year+ delays in new content because of Covid didn’t do them any favours. Delaying a year again because -checks notes- theres a writers strike (full honesty, if you were to tell me Marvel movies were written by an AI I’d believe it they’re that formulaic) isn’t going to do them any favours as far as catching that lightning again.
Maybe it’s time for westerns to make a comeback.
Disney has another problem they didn't factor in with the MCU: all the movies and shows are so intricately tied together, unless the quality is consistently kept up across the board, it's easy to dump the whole thing in an "all or nothing" move, making the turnover for audiences dropping out *even worse*
I’ve seen a lot of people say "superhero movies will go the way of the western" the reason the western genre died out was because they didn’t evolve they take any creative risks whatsoever and it was just the same thing over & over again. Superhero films can avoid this, if marvel listens to all the negative feedback it’s had for the past two years and start making more unique movies that branches off from their typical style of filmmaking, they could have staying power
Capeshit will never truly die, but capeshit will never achieve cinematic dominance ever again like it did from 2008 to 2019.
@@Rishi123456789 yea, when both Kang Dynasty & Secret Wars make over 2 billion dollars we’ll see who’s right
I was a pretty big marvel/Macy fan boy. I couldn't believe I finally got to see my childhood heroes on the big screen. But then they just started pumping out forgetful garbage that they thought would sell just because it had the marvel logo on it. They literally oversaturated their own market with garbage rip offs. I knew the characters couldn't stay forever, but this...hand off is just terrible.
A movie with Kraven the Hunter? With Aaron Taylor...
F-u-c-k, Sony hasn't learned anything at all!!
Superhero genre was on life support as soon as "Man of steel" came out. still amazed too this day how they screwed up superman so horrendously
I tend to credit "Eternals" as Marvel's first real flop, despite how much Disney might want to blame the pandemic for its failure. And it's worth noting that Secret Invasion's score (currently at 69%) comes from RT's *television* critics, who by and large often seem to be a more forgiving bunch. Compare that result to other Marvel Disney+ shows (80% for She-Hulk, 98% for Ms. Marvel, 86% for Moon Knight, 92% for Hawkeye, etc...) and, well, ouch.
Yup. It took only a handful of people in key positions to wreck the entire genre.
They didn't waste it so much as they repeatedly slammed its head in a car door for no reason.
DC made one good film in the last decade (Wonder Woman) but followed it with an appalling sequel. Marvel keeps making films and TV shows that for some reason aren't The Fantastic Four or The X-Men, which is all anyone is waiting for. Neither studio is making anything audiences are asking for. For some reason, they just keep giving us the dross they want us to want.
If Marvel gives us a quality Fantastic Four, and a terrifying Galactus, the tide will turn. If DC revisits the Green Lantern Corps and doesn't mess it up, they'll become worthy, viable competitors.
And audiences will be forever grateful.
A good example for DC to follow was the Justice League and Justice League Unlimited animated series. MCU phases 1-3 were good, but the Avengers Earth Mightiest Heroes animated series was a really good template as well.
I knew when the flash bombed the "death of the superhero genre" talk was gonna come back up like Spiderverse didn't come out two weeks ago. There's still the Batman sequel, Deadpool 3, Spiderverse 3, plenty of peak to look forward too. And if they get rid of Ezra Miller the DCU could be going in the right direction. Marvel needs to reboot same as DC is doing.
Solid commentary but in no way was Batman 1989 considered the movie of the decade. It couldn't even over take E.T.,Raiders or Jedi at the box office.
Each major superhero was potentially worth a billion world wide. Instead they chose DEI heroes. They shoved them down our throats. We stopped paying for their content. They are crashing.
DEI? May I ask what that's short for?
@@dorderreDiversity, Equity, and Inclusion
I remember the days of avoiding spoilers for the big MCU movies. I’m now finding that has shifted to movies like Scream and John Wick. I went into ant man knowing pretty much everything about it and I still left disappointed. I just don’t care for them anymore. I’ll always have phases 1-4 to rewatch at least.
I don't even think Ezra Miller's behavior is a big reason the Flash is flopping (though it certainly doesn't help), it's the track record of the DCU and the fact it looks like a PS3 game that's turning people off.
I belong to a group of viewers that is a guaranteed annuity to Disney that they decided they no longer wanted. Anything Disney is in my rearview mirror. The DCEU is struggling to find its footing and I am rooting for Gunn to set it right.
All they had to do is respect the source material Hire people who know the content and know what the fans want. Instead they hire activist to act write direct and produce, and they wonder why it's a bad product
I think that it is less “superhero fatugue” and more the fact that people know they can wait a few weeks and watch on streaming
I grew up with superhero and sci fi in the 80's and what I'm going to say may offend some: Both of those geners are highly dependent on it's fan base,the fans spend and bring friends or family along for the ride,so without them the whole gener is dead.....
Since the 2016 all-girl Ghostbusters...whatever the hell that was Hollywood has gotten VERY political and doesn't feel right unless they're jamming propaganda or social programming into their works,part and parcel to that they also have not only alienated fans they've actively attacked them and the characters themselves to hone their message for the maximum effect of "I hate everything and everybody in our society and I'm going to change or destroy it all!"
They're getting their wish,the fans have run for cover and it's turning into a culture war that Hollywood is losing,no fans equals no profit,the average person ain't gonna go see Star Wars,Marvel,DC or any of the others if their geek friends are telling them to run away.
So get a tombstone this whole thing is going to die off,we may go back to the odd film every few years like in the 80's or to none at all,with maybe some shoddy made for TV (or now streaming) junk.
Ideologues in the sandbox breaking all the toys usually leads to people saying “f the sandbox, the toys, and yourself”
Yeah, R I P comic book movies. I am scared that they will ruin anime by making them live action
I was like two or three when the first Iron Man came out; And now in 2023, I’m a grown a** adult whose burnt out from watching Marvel. Don’t get me wrong, I love (most of) these movies because they were my equivalent to classic Starwars or StarTrek, but I felt they should’ve ended with “Endgame”.
I feel like we’re having another “Batman & Robin moment” and that superhero movies should be put on hiatus…except for DC movies, but that’s my inner nerd saying that lol!
Great comic book superheroes are being ruined by some of these crappy live-action feature film and/or TV adaptations which have deviated from the original source material (the comics) ! Their names & reputations are being destroyed by these idiotic writers, directors, and... in some cases... actors who neither know much about NOR care much about these iconic characters !
It just pains me to hear people saying bad things about these wonderful superhero characters that I grew up reading about in comic books such as CAPTAIN MARVEL, THE FLASH, GREEN LANTERN, SHE-HULK, and so on !
People who say that they are tired of these live-action feature films and TV shows based on comic book superheroes were NEVER really fans of the genre to begin with ! The idiots in Hollywood need to understand that the fans are the ones who pay for these things ! NOT the stupid "general audience" who doesn't give a crap nor truly understand what the comic book superhero genre is all about ! If Hollywood doesn't stop trying to be better than the original source material AND if they can stop shoving woke feminist agenda down the audience's throats, then they might start making money again !
There is NO "superhero fatigue" ! People are tired of seeing bad writing, forced comedy, Mary Sues, and woke garbage in their comic book superhero movies !!!!
It really is too bad Ezra Miller went crazy and has all these problems. I saw The Flash I'm not forgiving Ezra Miller but he was fantastic as The Flash in the movie.
The M-She-U killed the superhero genre.
Even in MCU Phases 1 to 3, there were only a few standout films in terms of true quality. Most of the sequels and sequel sequels were not good, and I only went to see Avengers Endgame because a big MCU fan got everybody together. The whole thing needs time to rest and get new creative minds who can rejuvenate the genre.
Haven’t watched a superhero movie since Endgame and it doesn’t look like I have missed anything
I am a superhero fan, from comics to the films and even some of the cartoons: Batman the Animated Series.
The largest mistake made by DC was to attempt to 'combine' their heroes into one film TOO SOON. We had barely met the new Wonder Woman when suddenly she was going to battle with Bats and Supes - yes they are the BIG 3 of DC - this was too fast. The dark Superman was idiotic. Cavill was an awesome casting choice and unlike what James Gunn has put out ther I think audiences ARE capable of ignoring what was something silly or unwanted and take on a new vision of the character with the same actor. I would love to have seen a World's Finest with Bat and Supes, or a better start up for the Justice League, possibly coming on after two World's Finest films. They had SOOOO MUCH great material to work with from the 50+ years of comics and they chose to go with the 'multiverse' stuff that came at the end of a great run - I HATED the 1990s all-crossover Crisis on Infinite Earths, and stopped almost all my subscriptions as that train wreck happened.
This multi-verse stuff in the films is the same energy that I did not like from the Crisis comics - you do that at the END, when you plan to re-start EVERYTHING.
So, I say that they have ended.
I'll have to see a good review before I bother paying for another movie ticket for any super-hero film.
I'll have to see Dizney in flames before I bother paying any more attention to any of the great fiction properties they have mangled.
There are only 3 Indianna Jones films, only 6 Star Wars films and Star Trek ended with Generations.
To quote RAZORFIST; "The hero movie genre is in it's "White suit and girdle, Las Vegas Elvis" era"
You can't make the same movie for 4 years and expect to retain audience interest...the masses aren't as dumb as Hollywood wishes they were.
5:49, Antman and the wasp quantamania wasn't the first flop of the mcu. The eternals lost money.
Nothing about superheroes are dead. it's what the people are doing to the franchises that's dead
What happened was a lot of their audience grew up after the pandemic. A lot of these super heroes just look out of place now just like the old Universal Monsters horror movies did after World War 2.
So in just 4 years (2019 to 2023) they "grew up?" Personally I got tired a long time ago. I saw the first X-Men movie in the theater in 2000 and by the time the second Avengers movie came out 15 fucking years later I was like, "That's it, I'm done." So it took me 15 years for the fatigue to finally wear me out completely.
This video essay provides a thought-provoking analysis of the current state of the superhero genre. It's interesting to reflect on the evolution of these films, especially when we consider the superhero films of the 90s and early 2000s. During that era, we witnessed a diverse range of storytelling and character development, from the campy yet endearing "Batman & Robin" to the introspective and gritty "Blade" series.
The superhero genre has indeed seen its share of gems that dared to push boundaries and defy the conventional superhero narrative. Films like "Logan", "Batman v Superman", and "The Incredible Hulk" offered a darker, more complex perspective on our beloved heroes. The Dark Knight trilogy, in particular, set a new standard for superhero films with its mature themes and intricate character arcs.
However, it's worth noting that the landscape has changed significantly over the years. Marvel/Disney's approach, for instance, has shifted towards a more socially conscious, or as some would say, "woke" narrative. While this has led to more diverse representation, it has also sparked debates about the authenticity and intention behind these changes.
Moreover, the current trend seems to favor a more formulaic, "cookie-cutter" approach to superhero films. This is perhaps a result of studios being less willing to take risks due to the high stakes involved in terms of budget and box office expectations.
On the other hand, DC continues to take creative risks, often resulting in a more varied and unpredictable slate of films. Whether this approach is more successful or appreciated than Marvel's is subjective and largely depends on individual viewer preferences.
In conclusion, while the superhero genre may be experiencing a decline in popularity, it's important to remember that it has always been cyclical. Just as the golden age of superhero films in the 90s and early 2000s gave way to a new era, so too could the current trend pave the way for another evolution of the genre. Only time will tell what the future holds for our caped crusaders and masked vigilantes.
There is no superhero movie fatigue. There’s a woke Hollywood fatigue.
Old superhero movies Had a little more talented then superhero movies from 2020s
they had a goose that laid golden eggs and all they had to do was feed it.
instead, they fucked it and it died.
Spider-Man, The Avengers, and the Guardians of the Galaxy are still profitable. Everything else is up in the air.
Yeah, I'm sorry, but good. I'm a long time comics fan and comics were, in large part, ruined by becoming mainstream. I've said for years the only hope for them is to go back to the status of old. Yes, everyone will always know Spider-Man, Batman, and Superman, but, FFS, we should not have two Suicide Squad and three Guardians of the Galaxy movies. I don't know if they will ever be good again or not, but having to stand on their own, and not be supplemental material to films and TV, is a necessary first step to try.
It wasn't because they became mainstream. Comics were already being captured by the woke and slowly turning to crap, it just took time for what was already happening in them to catchup to the mainstream.
I enjoyed aspects of the DCEU but it always seemed bafflingly all over the place with dark movies like Batman vs super and ridiculous movies like suicide squad
I think big budget comic book movies need to take a hiatus. Spider-Man, Blade, X-Men and Batman were all successful in the 90's and 2000's because they were actual cinematic events and you didn't have 5 marvel movies coming out each year. The films all had their own unique style and had actual effort put into them. But nowadays there's a superhero movie coming out every other month, which worked briefly for Marvel when building up to Infinity War, but now nearly all superhero movies look and feel exactly the same. So I think the genre for right now belongs on TV, which can tell the same stories with lower budgets and more manageable pacing and only having creatively unique movies like Joker, No Way Home, and The Batman (all financial successes) releasing periodically until enough interest drums up again in big event films.
I think it's more obvious than ever that Spider-Man is the only thing keeping comic book movies alive at this point.
Just wait until they make that franchise woke as well. It’s coming.
@@callmeviper7723 Oh yeah, I anticipate it.
Batman?
@@hemantks4353 Batman is no longer a box office guarantee, I'm afraid. He was plastered all over The Flash's marketing, and look at how hard that movie is bombing. The Batman made money, but I hear literally nobody talking about it now. We'll see how that sequel does, I guess.
The worst that Spider-Man has done are The Amazing Spider-Man movies. I hate those movies, but they still made some money.
@@spiderleenie Lol everyone still talks about The Batman. Even more than No way home. Also Batman is a box office guarantee. It was a Flash movie that flopped not Batman
Martin Scorsese must be smiling from ear to ear.
The concept of a cinematic universe will forever hang around the neck of superhero movies and drag them down. People no longer go to see a superhero movie just for the experience of seeing a good movie. No, now it has to connect to other movies and characters or be deemed meaningless.
The movie Cocaine Bear, did a lot of people say it was bad or meaningless because it wasn't connected to some CBCU (cocaine bear cinematic universe)? Now contrast this with tons and tons of people saying The Flash is pointless because the DCEU is just being rebooted anyway. It takes a truly special stand alone spuerhero movie to break out now if it isn't a "CU" movie (Joker for example).
"It's not dead, it's just resting!" They only need to make quality movies, and stay loyal to the fans and the source material, and avoid all divisive "modern ideology" and "political identity." We watch movies to be entertained, not lectured about the morally questionable values of the writers and producers. Respect your fans, and you will make money. Simple formula. They are NOT making movies for "modern audiences", they are making movies to pat themselves on the back.
To be honest, what I could really use right now is a good samurai movie. I should go watch "Seven Samurai" or "Shogun" again. A Western might scratch the itch, too. Or something with an everyman overcoming the odds, without the use of superpowers.
The Zatoichi movies are pretty good too.
FX has been making a Shogun miniseries for what seems like forever now.
"Leave them wanting more" is a secret to success.
"Leave them wanting" is the problem!
Its because Hollywood no longer knows what its doing. For Marvel, like no one really cares about watching movies about minor superhero characters. People want to see Captain America, Hulk, X-Men, Ironman, etc. Even when they do, the mess up them up like Thor, Hulk, etc. For DC, they could've made some good movies, but they dropped the ball. How many origin stories do they need for Batman, Superman, etc? They dropped the ball with Batman. So many decent villains were left that hadn't seen the big screen. Superman, well, there hasn't really been a decent superman since Christopher Reeve played the role. If DC had played it smart, they should've built it up to eventually to the Justice League vs the Legion of Doom.
You seem to be forgetting that Reeves The Batman from last year, was a really good movie! Everybody here seems to be forgetting that 🤷♂️
@@DavidDatura lol No it wasn't. The last decent Batman movie was the The Dark Knight Rises. I don't know why some of you act it was that great.
Secret invasion would be great if they reintegrate Agents of Shield characters like Quake and Coulson
Superhero movies aren't dead. (DCEU may be though.) They just aren't "instant money" like they used to be. Studios actually have to make good movies to pull in audiences. Guardians 3 and Spiderverse 2 are doing pretty well.
Also, I can see a resurgence when Marvel switches gears to the Xmen. I think they are (rightfully) waiting until the bad taste from the FOX Xmen is forgotten. They went out with a whimper. A good Xmen movie could pull in a billion easily.
Perhaps it was inevitable, but the stories got incoherent and woke. That expedited its expiration.
End Game was the end for me. 98% of what has come after that has been utter garbage.
No trend lasts forever. This one took a long time to develop, paid out a lot, peaked very high, grew into many new and surprising directions, and is unsurprisingly losing momentum and become stale and repetitive.
Yeah man, I don't think this premise is exactly right. I think by and large the public is tired of BAD superhero movies...formulaic, generic, cookie-cutter superhero movies.
People wanted to see adaptations of the favorite comic storylines, not butcherings of them.
People wanted characters with flaws that outlined their weaknesses and made them more human...not Captain Marvel to singlehandedly fly in and save the day with LaserBeams™
Talking with my friends about superhero media recently, we all agreed that Marvel was screwing up by replacing the main cast with Diverse™ counterparts:
Anthony Masters (Taskmaster) > Antonia Dreykov
Hawkeye > Kate Bishop
Thor > Jane Foster (temporarily)
Steve Rodgers > Sam Wilson (arguably the best swap, at least it felt deserved)
T'Challa > Shuri
Tony Stark > Riri Williams
Bruce Banner > Jennifer Walters
Loki > Sylvie
AND INTRODUCING
Shang-Chi, Ms Marvel, Monica Rambeau, America Chavez, Namor, Echo, & big-bads Valentina de Fontaine & Kang!
As for DC, they should have established a cinematic premise of The Multiverse a LONG time ago and people would have been so much more open to the movies not referencing one another like the MCU did.
Super Heroes aren't dead but Marvel & DC may as well be, both in the comics and movies. Most normies haven't heard about "My Hero Academia" yet and I kind of prefer it that way. Going mainstream is a sign to political opportunist that you are officially a 'platform' worth corrupting.
Used to show up to see a Movie or two early into it's run time, Generally within the first or second week, but its' been getting more and more 'No' over the years, not from Superhero Fatigue, I don't believe that it's a thing. But 'Bad/Preacher Writhing' that is in pretty much everything. TH-cam Bloggs like yours and Gaming videos from others are more entertaining since they actually just have good amounts of information, and entertainment that's not telling me to respect Pronouns, and figure out several different reasons why I'm apparently a bad person cause I somehow offended someone by saying 'Hello' in a tone they didn't appreciate. You work in retail for a bit, you start to become numb to it during hours, and when you get home or are looking for entertainment, you 'DON'T' need that to have 'Fun' and it just makes the experience feel terrible. So thanks to channels like you guys WCB for giving me something to listen too while I trail off into my games, my own art, my work, and keep going as you do Fam.
Since the Dark Knight Rises and Endgame, this genre has been the dead Iron Man illusion from Spider Man
Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should. Just like musicals, cowboy movies and so on Hollywood never knows when...scratch that....HOW to move on to something new.
It's not superhero fatigue.
It's shitty movie fatigue.
How did CGI become MORE expensive? The cost of every other endeavor requiring computational power has gone down with time, but CGI costs have gone up while the quality has also gone down.
I don't think it's the genre, but instead it's the writing.
The studios are blissfully unaware of a thing called over-saturation. Or maybe more cynically, well aware and exploiting less and less discriminating audiences. Having an X-Men movie come out every couple of years, or Spiderman one summer then Batman the next left fans of the genre wanting more and anticipating the next film. Now there’s 12 movies and TV shows simultaneously all begging for attention and referencing each other to appease the übernerds. I don’t want to have to consult a spreadsheet timeline to see if I’m watching a show in the correct universe’s timeline order. I don’t even want to have to watch half of these pseudo-important characters because some reference is made to them in another show. The writing is being grotesquely watered down across all of these titles instead of amalgamating the interesting developments and plots into one or two better quality titles. Now they’re filling two hours of space with slow-witted “heroes” taking half the movie to figure out what the audience had deduced within three minutes then filling out the remaining time with “Things Keep Exploding! Parts 278,291-278,786.” It’s dreck, but the studios don’t care because they know they have the fanbois by the ‘nads who will watch anything with the brand logo on it out of completionist OCD mindlessness.
Once upon a time...the super heroes...😔😒
Nope. That last superhero film I saw was Black Panther in 2018 and that was an okay movie. And I really can't think of any modern movie I'm interested in seeing this year or beyond that.
First of all the 1942 Superman is my favorite!! The S shield looks awesome. I wish it stayed that way. Also you make some good points but I disagree on some. I don’t think the superhero craze is dead. For example: for a long time fans(including me) have been begging for a Man of Steel 2 & Justice League 2(both Snyder cut obviously). If DC made those two films they would’ve made a ton of money. Bring back Henry Cavill and fire Ezra Miller. Simple. Plus look at the popularity of Spider-Man 2 PS5. The Fanbase will pay money to see superhero movies with decent good stories for all ages. No disgusting political messages(and of course no actors with a criminal record lol 😂).
-2 this morning at my place in Australia! Brrrr!
WB may as well shut down their DC film efforts before it costs them even more money. The reputation of the brand with mainstream audiences is in the toilet. Even if somehow James Gunn produces good DC movies in the future, it won't change things. And it doesn't help that people are sick of superhero movies at this point. The basic fact is DC almost completely missed the superhero gravy train (which should just be called the Marvel gravy train since it was the only superhero universe that succeeded)
Fox X-Men did pretty well. Sony Spider-Man as well. Fox only went on the rocks after the acquisition by Disney. Sony made money on every Spider-Man movie.
@@exhaustguy Fox's X-Men was so uneven. The first two were good, but those were before the MCU boom. Then afterwards it was hits and misses. Seems like more misses than hits.
I'm not sure what to think of Spider-Man. The recent live-action movies are certainly tied to the MCU, so I can't separate them. The Andrew Garfield movies had problems and were abandoned by Sony. The Spiderverse movies you can definitely say are independent successes.
@@fattiger6957 There were Phase 1-3 movies that were also not very good (Dark World, Iron Man 2 (and I would argue 3), Ultron (better in hindsight after rewatching but disappointing where first released), and Hulk. The fish out of water Thor scenes were a bit awkward in Thor 1, but Asgaard scenes were great. I thought your statement was about profitability, and Fox and Sony have done very well in that regard (far better than WB with DC outside of Batman).
They made so much money that politics and infighting took the priority. Kevin Feige is the worst of them all. He was the frontman of the producers, because he was the biggest geek, but he was hardly the father of MCU, that would be Ike Perlemutter, CEO of Marvel Entertainment. They had good results with movies, but they fought over everything. Feige made his move and with help of Disney CEO Bob Iger he split Marvel Studios (movies) from the rest of marvel and started reporting directly to Disney in 2015 and took over creative control in 2019. They pushed smearing campaign to remove any chance of Ike fighting back. Funniest thing is Feige and Iger portraying Perlmutter as racist, (blocking diversity) good old woke talk. In reality Perlemutter was crucial in creating Blade in 2018 lol.
Now we all see the results of full creativity of Kevin. Nobody can challenge him, or gave him any feedback. He was surrounded only by yes men and women like Alonso. Don’t be mistaken, she was doing everything with his approval. She was then fired as a scapegoat to cover for him hehe. Every project announced after 2015 is a child of Feige, great job Kevin. At least nobody will accuse us of being sexist when the entire fandom finally will understand who is to blame.
Seems like there's always one hit and one flop. Flash bombs, while Spider-Verse is a hit. Yet the headline is always "Superhero films are dead!!"
I think Deadpool 3 will prove it isn't so much superhero fatigue as it is fatigue of piss poor writing and planning, injected personal politics that feel forced, emasculation of male roles, mary sues, ignorance of source materials, etc. etc. all of this is easily fixed and I have no idea why it wasn't (although I can guess that it might start from the bottom but be the choices of management ie: hiring quota vs hiring talent, birth of the wage slave [work till you quit or performance drops then get replaced by someone cheaper], cutbacks that create poor working conditions for 10s or 100s so that 2-3 people at the top can take a nicer bonus home)
All that being said DP3 still has a possibility to fail due to poor writing or CGI (Like Wolverine origins)
I went and saw The Flash today. I enjoyed it; will probably buy the Blu-Ray when it comes out. I didn't follow the actress' legal troubles; frankly, I don't care about them. I was entertained, not as much as the Super Mario Bros. movie, but it was what I excepted. I wanted a 'turn my brain off' action movie, and that's what I got. Now, that being said, I'm not gonna run out and see every superhero movie that comes out; I've only seen about 4 or 5 of the Marvel movies. First Avenger and Ironman was ok, I was indifferent to Morpheus and did not like Captain America: Civil War one bit. But this movie, I enjoyed.
Spidermans (no way home) is the only marvel movie I've seen on a big screen since Endgame. I fell asleep trying to watch Dr Strange 2 and black panther 2. Both of which didn't star the titular character... at least as much as I did stay awake for.