Especially when most people don't have the comic book knowledge to understand the totality of a Flashpoint paradox... It's hard to pull off an in canon reboot because the concept, which is something that happens in comics often, won't translate well in movie goers' linear minds.
Pro-Tip: 1. Don't unceremoniously boot off the guy everybody likes as the modern Superman, just because you didn't like something he said. 2. Don't keep around a loser who's mentally ill, and did 10x worse as the Superman actor. 3. Don't make him the STAR of a movie you're banking your entire existence on. 4. Don't have the Superman we wanted to see, have a decently important role. 5. Don't make Supergirl look like some lame butch lesbian. 6. Don't make a movie who's entire purpose is to erase the contemporary characters that everyone liked (Everyone liked Affleck as Batman, Cavil as Superman, Gadot as Wonder Woman, ray Fisher as Cyborg, and even Jason Momoa as Aquaman), and expect it to break box office records.
Birds Of Prey - Flopped The Suicide Squad - Flopped Black Adam - Flopped Shazam 2 - Flopped The Flash - Flopped As Batman once said: Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb.
You hit the nail on the head. When they axed Hamada and Sarnoff, brought back Henry and everyone knew they planned to keep the DCEU together with a sequel to Man of Steel (with the post credit scene on Black Adam)… we we’re hyped! When Gunn came in and killed our dreams, we gave up on WB… when the fat cats at DC/WB beg us to come back and support James Gunn’s DC… we will whisper back “no”…
Disgusting. BvS made more than 870 millions which, adjusted by inflation, would be more than 900 millions nowadays; even though the WB shills sabotaged and boycotted Snyder. BvS: Ultimate Edition is one of the best CBMs ever made. Man of Steel is the most profitable Superman films ever made. Snyder films NEVER lost money. Both Ezra Miller and James Gunn are P3D0S who should be in JAIL. #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderVerse
We screamed "Give us Black Widow" in 2010 hollywood gave us Red Sparrow. We cried "Give us BATMAN BEYOND with Micheal Keaton" they gave us a cameo. Hollywood hates us.
1. Nobody wanted this movie. 2. DC has been making garbage for ten years now. 3. Ezra Miller is a freak and nobody wants to financially support that. 4. Budgets are out of control across the industry. 5. The superhero movie trend is over now. The perfect storm.
I agree with everything except the superhero movie trend being over, especially with Across The Spiderverse just releasing and doing really well. Marvel and DC have just been releasing really CRAP movies for the last two and a half years now, save for No Way Home (which really wasn't even that good and mostly got by on nostalgia-bait.)
I would question 2. DC has been making garbage since before I was born. It's a constant stream of garbage. Superman, Batman and whoever else is in that universe are just not interesting. They are grandpa's superheroes. And no, just making them young and female won't change that. The character concept is the problem. Even in the lauded Dark Knight, the star wasn't Batman, it was the Joker. Same for the Joaquim Phoenix movie, great stuff. I don't remember a single thing from Dark Knight Rises except the funny voice of Bane.
Well, they wrote it before he fell apart. I have seen him in other stuff and his a good actor and could do the promotion side of the job too. Then he mentally imploded. 10 years of development hell wasn’t helpful either.
It doesn’t help that there are previous adaptations that did these stories better: If you want a Flashpoint movie, just watch the animated version released a decade earlier; if you want to see Michael Keaton’s Batman, just watch the Tim Burton films.
Yeahhhh but what about the people that want new and better quality content? I liked the flash movie yes it could have been better but if the cgi was good you wouldn’t say bub kiss.
He's not still in the role. His mental meltdown began after he finished filming this movie and was already paid in full. It was a fair business decision to release the film in order to try to recoup some of that money. It's like the Cosby Show. They still show in syndication in order to make money and allow the other actors and actresses to profit from royalties. Cosby himself just happens to benefit a little bit financially too. Unlike Ezra, Cosby went to prison. Another white and black comparison when it comes to the judicial system.
It’s actually a really good movie, great performances by Ezra and Michael Keaton. It’s a shame that Ezra’s chaotic personal life affected the popularity of this movie and the DC franchise.
@@danielho9753 chaotic? It’s a little more serious that that. He should have been removed. His actions have negated anything he now does in cinema. This movie would have been huge if they’d got rid of him
Short of completely reshooting the movie without Ezra Weirdo and adding another 150 mln to the already immense cost I don't see how much James Gunn could have done to save this movie. I don't think that even having Cavill in it in a cameo would have mattered much.
I mean, given that he's running the show for DC now, Gunn has to give notes so that the movie doesn't set up part 2 of the Snyder Verse, D-She-U or whatever. As much as it sucks to go into it thinking "this is a creative dead end," it also sucks to come back to it years later saying "I wish I hadn't gotten hyped for something they knew wouldn't happen." Still, the everyone on the courthouse steps would have been a better ending exactly for what was said, that the last vision of characters isn't dead at a villain's hands, a one off cameo that meant nothing, or a less than ideal sequel. The DC film universe (at least to this point) will be studied for years on how not to run a film franchise. A case study in bad casting, bad planning, reactive filmmaking to copy the successful competition, executives putting financial success before film quality, and a weird Kobayashi Maru of sunken costs in films already made.
@@joshgamingvlogs5203 Aside from wondering what is genuinely enjoyed about the movie - because frankly I'm not hearing much in terms of what people would genuinely enjoy about the movie - I place Ezra Miller facing genuine consequences and Hollywood not having any ground to make excuses for him first.
How did they not see this coming? Even without all the crime, Ezra is a pathetic Flash. To be fair, he's written to be annoying, but Lord, he really leans into that
They did, but not releasing means that they lose all the money. This way they are losing less. However, they are also suffering brand damage as well as tanking Gunn's reputation, with his lie about how good this movie was.
@@EnsignRedshirtRicky You nailed it. I bet that's why they didn't finish the visual effects. And yeah, the brand damage is going to have a ripple effect
The people running the Studios have NEVER been in touch with the Audience - that's what their Underlings are for. The current generation of Underlings take their cues from Social Media. Which is... bad, but what's worse is that they have taken a side in the matter and completely discount channels like Midnight's Edge (or worse, turn them into literal enemies - like Doomcock and She Hulk), channels that DO have a finger on the pulse of the audience because they ARE the audience.
@@EnsignRedshirtRicky Not true. They could have taken the tax break. Like they did with Batgirl. This means they don't have to share half of the money with the theater. If they went this route, they probably would have lost about 50 million dollars or so. Releasing this movie might cost them as much as 300 million. That means that even without the tax break, they would have been better off not releasing it (since the movie cost 250 million). And the budget would have been lower, because they wouldn't have done the final reshoot. They absolutely would have had more money if they didn't release it. Edit: How does 250 million turn into a 300 million loss? Advertising and distribution.
As soon as they nuked Caville after saying he was making a return I was done with DC, I just don't have the time for endless reboots and movies that go nowhere story-wise, movies that set up sequels that will never happen, characters and actors wasted etc It's just not worth investing in and I guess others are sick of wasting their time as well. Got other things to do my friends.
Who would have thought that firing Superman instead of Ezra and Amber would NOT yield positive results? Great job antagonizing the built in audience who would have supported this movie by default James Gunn!
Karma to James Gunn and WB…,LOL. They were so awful day, Henry Cavill. They did him wrong. So glad that this movie is failing. Will not be supporting anything that involves James Gunn. Did rather support a criminal like Miller, then a decent moral actor like Henry Cavill.
The ESG hires supporting the ESG tribe first, nothing shocking with modern Hollyweird which is all in on the huwhitez bad. Part of that scummy power grab.
The movie was already finished by the time Ezra had his spree. You can't really fire the guy from a film that's already made. DC obviously considered scrapping this movie because of it, but they already scrapped other projects for their tax write-offs. I get why they released it; it's a pretty good movie. And I get why people might not want to watch it. Whether that be Ezra being in it or the negative attacks by the conservatives or even just the fact that it's a lame duck movie considering DC is resetting and the Snyder-verse is done. Any which way, it's a pretty good movie, and it's too bad people don't want to watch it. But I get it.
A shame Wonder Woman got canned by the time a third film could have been done. The first movie was very good and even beforehand, I heard nothing but praise and good word of mouth about it from family and online alike. Then the exact opposite regarding the second one. . .
Definitely. Gadot was perfect for the part and could have been the natural 'inclusionary' franchise star without the fake pushing of 'girl power' versions of Superman and Batman.
I was intrigued by the idea of Gunn when he was first announced, but they lost me when they screwed over Cavill. It didn't make me much happier to see that Gadot and Affleck are out too. I am a DC fan, with Supes being my fav superhero and my loving the casting of the Trinity, but now I am done with it. WB just cannot get their crap together.
WB has not been able to get their crap together for 30 years. To expect them to learn from their mistakes is pure insanity. As for James Gunn, I knew from the start that he was going to fail from the very start of his CEO tenure. He is an over-rated filmmaker and writer with a mediocre resume. Not mention no executive experience. His first film for DC Suicide Sqaud was a flop. The only good superhero film he made well was Gardians of the Galaxy volume one. V2 was not as great, but would have been worse without Kurt Russle. V3 was a disaster waiting to happen. Face it, WB Descovery put a loser in charge. They would have been better off if they went through with the deal they had going with J J Abraham and Bad Robot. Caville was their gold mine actor to fire him was a stupid business decision. Honestly, big corporations have forgotten how to conduct good business. The golden rule of big business ( Give the consumer's what they want. ) Yes, film making and acting is an art, but it is first and foremost a product. The goal is to make money, but money can't be made if the customer is not satisfied with the products.
In fairness to Gunn, the DCEU is an unsalvageable mess. Rotten to its core. There’s no way to keep going in the same universe, with all the broken continuity.
@joemamma137 WB, DC never could keep or deliver on a straight plan for last 30 years. Their problems are two main things. 1 they give up on a plan the moment a single film doesn't do as well as they hoped. 2 the executives keep interfering with the creative liberty of the real professionals behind the magic. The directors, writers, and actors. Executives are just burocrats and business people. Telling those under them how to do their jobs is like a cashier telling a train conductor how to drive a train.
Everytime this happens (ALOT LATELY), I sit on my couch, happily smile and sigh, thinking to myself how pathetic it is to watch Holly wood KNOW what they should be doing, and yet, they choose not to and millions into the billions keep getting lost and one project after another crashes and burns. It's almost cathartic for me.
It makes my little black heart happy that the whole woke Hollywood machine can’t sell their bullsh@t anymore. Gone are the legions of loving fans. I have retreated to my nerd cave to read old back issues and watch Justice League if I want to see the real Flash & Batman hang out
Disgusting. BvS made more than 870 millions which, adjusted by inflation, would be more than 900 millions nowadays; even though the WB shills sabotaged and boycotted Snyder. BvS: Ultimate Edition is one of the best CBMs ever made. Man of Steel is the most profitable Superman films ever made. Snyder films NEVER lost money. Both Ezra Miller and James Gunn are P3D0S who should be in JAIL. #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderVerse
How can you be happy as the flash ( the greatest hero in fiction ) gets done dirty which is going to be the sole reason we never get another flash movie
Very well summarized and shows the sheer arrogance of millionaire elites who come and go at the studios but no one ends up being blamed for the financial disasters that have become all too common in todays Hollywood
warner bros and their dc studios since the richard donner superman era films has been doing this , this is not new thing with them..their track record is so bad other movie studios make satires on them in their cartoons, tv shows and movies
This is the year of big flops. It's crazy to see how many there are. You'd think people would have to watch some movie, but no, if there's nothing good out, no one goes to the theaters. Tough lesson for Hollywood but a necessary one.
When people assume others are guilty of crimes based solely on reading a blog or a headline without viewing any evidence whatsoever of any crime, you know it's bad.
@@MattoCinemawhen people like you completely ignore evidences like pictures, videos and the victims who came forward and talked about what miller did, you know it’s bad 😐
Honestly, almost everyone does. But that doesnt mean you should treat it as such. You play into it to make it enjoyable. For example, ghostbusters is a joke, but it takes itself seriously at key points so it isnt a complete joke.
Well it flopped because of Ezra Miller,most People that didn’t see the ending had no clue George Clooney was Batman from a Parallel Universe or differently Timeline
@@nunka34ify Solid ending, sets up the (hopefully) better universe that we deserve! I just hope that there is no more interference from these idiots at WB
It also proves Clooney was simply *acting* when he apologized for his participation in Batman & Robin. The man deserves no credit at all; he has no genuine character, and it's the only reason he *plays* them ;)
Ezra's presence in the premiere was very off and creepy even though he wasn't doing much of anything. It's like WB allowed him to come out of his cage and told him to behave or else they have snipers ready to tranquilize him if he does something f*cky.
In all honesty, I genuinely thought Michael Keaton being in the movie would've been the ticket to making the movie a huge success and people would have forgotten Ezra's past criminal history, since it's been so long now. I'm happy to see people have not forgotten.
Ezra single-handedly killed this movie. I don't believe for one second that his little tirade wasn't enough to do so. Sure, the bad CGI and the weak sauce plot might have contributed. But those haven't stopped these films from being big draws.
I believe that James Gun said The Flash was the greatest superhero movie of all time. So, is Mr. Gun going to make his DC movies in the same fashion as The Flash?
Theatres are not really a thing since covid, everyone got big screen tv's and multiple streaming services and set up their own home theatres during covid, since then tons of theatre chains filed bankruptcy and closed. Box ofice numbers are meaningless at a time people are struggling between food and medicine and other bills, their already paying for the streaming and will wait until they can watch in the comfort of their homes. The market that existed in 2020 no longer exists.
I agree, James Gunn was burning bridges, and that's never a good idea when you haven't finished building your new bridge first. At Gunn's age, he should know better, but I suspect his ego got the better of him. (Pride before the fall, good month for it too.)
Although I mostly enjoyed the film, I am constantly perplexed and amazed that for 10 years... no one in a position of leadership took the time to understand why Richard Donner's leadership and vision was so effective that nearly 50 years later, people still love Superman '78 and Chris Reeves' characterizations of Superman/Clark. No-one would LEAD!!
By watching this film you are openly admitting that you don’t mind seeing a groomer get paid a ridiculous sum to play the flash. Every dollar the film earns increases the odds that Ezra will be cast again in another film. You voted with your wallet and your opinion has been noted by Warner Brothers.
@@kubrickenigma7977 You don’t get to pick, that’s not how this works. Ezra is out there right now buying another cabin in Connecticut to lure underage girls (or boys possibly, I’m not sure how nonbinary works) to and he’s doing it with your hard earned money.
That's not a thing. The people today, you know those people that are on strike for higher pay (Writers Guild of America), they don't know how to tell compelling stories like Richard Donner and his generation of writers/directors. It's really not that difficult since art imitates life. Just find compelling real life stories and adapt the essence of those to your fictional characters.
No. This is tripe on a fundamental level. It wouldn't work regardless of if the actors. A simple superhero movie based purely on a recast Flash would've worked. People are sick of the dicking around
Not the way it was built up though. DC screwed up instantly by making BvS the second film in the franchise. The BvS storyline doesn't work without the decades long friendship Supes and Bats built. The problem is DC wanted an avengers payout instantly, and never considered the idea that the original avengers film worked because numerous films built up anticipation for it. That's what was lost here. And a Thomas Wayne Flashpoint simply doesn't work without a fleshed out Bruce and Berry. They wanted to jump from major title to major title without doing the work required to make those major titles viable.
@@johnwatson1258 yup, bvs was the beginning of the end for dcu, but suicide squad and Wonder Woman made money due to it being in the height of super hero movie popularity
@@michaelmacleod6517 given his age and the fact that the used to be the on screan Batman; he would have been a perfect choice for Bruce Wayne in a Batman Beyond movie.
The original slate for the DCEU was massive, BUT at this time there was no cbm fatigue, there was room for both, the MCU and the DCEU. DCs first installments made good money, they profited off the MCUs quality at this time. WB wanted to catch up to marvel and i am absolutly convinced that the BIG investment into exact this slate could have matched with marvel. I am so sad we did not get that Flashpoint movie which was supposed to reset the universe for another run. Its beyond crazy that WB was that greedy and wanted MCU numbers with the first movie.
Ezra's misconduct no doubt also hurt the box office of the film by some percentage. "Bad boy" antics in real life can sometimes enhance box office performance, but here, Ezra's behavior was cringy and memorable and couldn't be washed away even after a deliberate eight month release delay. Flash needed to be a fantastic movie to overcome all of the headwinds, but it wasn't.
It only wasn’t because of the bad cgi. If it looked good a lot of people would have liked it more. Look up how much support the movie has rn. Now compare that to what could have been if it just had good graphics
We care why??? You missed out on good movie because you’re to stupid to get off your ass and go see it. The movie was good and you’re only hurting yourself not supporting something you’d like.
They fired likes of Johnny Depp...Henry Cavill, and kept Amber Heard and Ezra Miller. That should tell you all you need to know about the old and new regimes of WB.
The most important bit is: I do not see James Hunn simply changing things around. Even more after his finale for the Flash movie. Seems we are walking towards to DC becoming a parody of itself.
i feel like the main reason (if not the only reason) the movie didnt do so good was because of Ezra as a person, a very small percentage of people return to the cinema o watch the same movie twice, and the flash is pretty popular due to the injustice games and the CW shows, so for it to pull numbers like this only makes sense if you blame Ezra as a person as a lot of people would not want to go and see a movie who stars a criminal as the mc
I remember watching the 2017 Justice League for the first time and thinking to myself, 'This is the new flash?... this is awful'. And this was well before I even knew who the actor was.
I remember back in 2017 or so when the actors were doing promos for Justice League, Ezra kept putting his fist up and saying 'Fight the Patriarchy!' and goading Gal Gadot to do so until she gave in. It actually was a good part of the reason I've never seen any version of the live action Justice League movies. He always seemed weird and dumb, I just didn't know HOW bad he was. He is certainly worse than any 'patriarchy' that he thought he was fighting.
@@matthewsengendo6302 Yeah, because this man can predict the future :D Man, Flash in general is an annoying character and snyder knows this, so he kept his role kinda small. And you can bet that Flashpoint Paradox would have been a true adaptation of the comic, making it an incredible ensemble movie with curios takes on the worldbuilding.
DC doesnt seem to understand that a consistent lore is what would actually draw fans. We had 10+ years of consistent character development with RDJ, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, S Johansen, Holland, etc. Now DC / Marvel are making the classic mistake in making none of the previous story matter because just when you get used to something, its wiped out. Multiverse story telling is cheap and lazy writing, and needs to go away.
Gunn has a reputation for allegedly what it takes to get his support for an actor. Ezra seems willing to do that, Caville doesn't. Shame he's more worried about compliance on the casting couch than talent and who will draw a bigger audience.
@@rogerrussell9544 Gunn didn't bring back Cavill cause he's too expensive, too old, and has that Snyderverse stink on him. I think Cavill was literally the only good casting choice in the entire shitshow that was the Snyderverse, but I don't blame Gunn for wanting a hard reset with a fresh, new, younger, cheaper actor.
@@MarvinPowell1 You think so? Yet his loyal fans pay to see his movies, the younger, less expensive Ezra can't say the same. Could it be that you're wrong?
For Hollywood at large, the man takeaway from this debacle will be the that Ezra Miller is box-office poison. Bye-bye Ezra! Enjoy your career in direct-to-video. I look forward to your stunning and brave performance in the next Sharknado film, co-starring Jonathan Majors.
While the nostalgia factor was okay to see, WB Discovery VASTLY overestimated Michael Keaton's box office draw. Can you imagine how low these numbers would've been if they didn't constantly trot him out as if "The Flash" was a "Batman" film like the way the marketing suggested? Although proceeding with Ezra Miller as the Flash when they did have the chance to do otherwise (right after the first controversy with "them" choking a woman) is what really killed the film.
They knew this film couldn't bring it to the profit zone so instead of trashing it they went again pushing the film forward. They took a gamble to make something so its not a total failure.
I believe Peter Safran is mostly to blame for this CHAOS. He could have replaced Ezra years ago but he Didn't. Instead he protected Ezra Loser & Amber Turd. And now Aquaman 2 is on the next FLOP List just like this movie 😂🤣.
People also remember Gunn's "bizarre" tweets about children... many labeling him a pedo... people also know about Miller being a weirdo who attacks people and has gotten away with things that would land non-celebutards in jail for. People wont forgive that... especially when the perpetrators are unrepentant
I never understood the hype around James Gunn, but I was willing to give him a chance. Now that I've seen his vision in action, I'm only interested to see how much he can crash and burn before he's out.
He was good with Guardians, and that's about it. And that's only because he essentially made them his own original thing, rather than what they are in the comics. Why DC chose him to be the overseer of their universe, I don't understand.
@@WarpChaos All 3 Guardians movies are critical darlings, THE Suicide Squad is a critical darling (that movie was a victim of pandemic and same day streaming, unfortunately), and Peacemaker was a critical darling. WB making Snyder the overseer of their universe was the mistake that messed everything up to this point. Snyder made a Batman vs Superman movie that couldn't do better than Joker or Aquaman at the box office lol.
@@123LORDOFHELL Guardians 2 sucked, and The Suicide Squad was very meh. I think Snyder is overrated, but Gunn isn't much better. He's certainly not the choice to oversee a universe. Hell, I'm expecting his Superman to be a comedy movie with an 80's soundtrack, like Guardians.
In a sane world, WB would have taken this movie as a tax write-off after all of Ezra's criminal charges. In a sane world, Ezra would have been banished from Hollywood for those charges, hell he would have been ejected from any and all projects after just one. Unfortunately, we're not living in a sane world
A major, major mistake of the film from the get-go was basing the DCEU Flash's first film on Flashpoint. That is essentially the equivalent of Marvel/Sony making No Way Home Tom Holland's first solo film as Spider-Man. No chance to slowly build up the character, establish his regular life and supporting cast...instead, just rush straight into a guest character-loaded multiverse adventure. It really says everything about how the previous DCEU regime just thought they could rush into being Marvel Studios, relying solely on their big character names without having to do any of the story groundwork. Even if everything from Ezra Miller's crime spree to the upcoming James Gunn-led reboot didn't happen, The Flash would still be greatly damaged by the story it decided to go with, one which also already had two adaptions already ("The Flashpoint Paradox" animated film and an arc of the TV series) and probably didn't need another immediate revisit.
The movie was completed before Gunn took over DC. He couldn't re-shoot an entire movie and replace Ezra with a new actor. He was stuck with the film he got
@@radrobd123 The first Back to Future reshot every Marty McFly scene with Micheal J. Fox after the first month of filming. I’m pretty sure they could’ve reshot the scenes where Ezra Miller Wasn’t in the Flash costume. It probably would’ve cost more but anything would be better than Ezra Miller.
@@Horneroid Back to the Future was not finished with principal photography when Stoltz was replaced with Fox. Nowhere near complete. This movie was done with principal photography. They still had to do special FX and reshoots, but it would be near impossible to reshoot an entire movie with a new actor
@@UrbanMediaReview my man Ezra can consider himself forgiven. However, that does not excuse his prior behavior, and it also doesn't settle that I now have to support him. He is not entitled to my labor.
What are you talking about? Stay on the project? The project was completed! This isn’t a case of they just started filming or or even we’re halfway through. It was finished. You expect them to go back and re-shoot the entire thing and spend another $200 million? Go back to planet bizarro…
I haven’t heard anyone say that they liked the flash, instead I’ve consistently heard people say they enjoyed the parts of the movie that Ezra wasn’t in. I know that I wasn’t the only one who wasn’t going to separate the character from the actor. His crimes against women and children are where I draw the line. Hollywood has allowed disgusting people to do awful things without ever being held accountable. I’m not a movie reviewer, I’m a parent and if Miller acts like Miller when the movie is over it will be Warner Brothers who made it all possible when they paid off his victims and anyone else they wanted to keep quiet. There’s probably some police in Hawaii who should be fired if not in jail themselves.
The Hollywood bubble probably thought that their mantra of, 'oh, you are non binary so you can do anything you want at any time', would be accepted by the man on the street.
I didn't mind it, even with Ezra... don't like him as a person though. And I thought he was better in ZSJL than this but still I thought it was alright...
De Luca and Abdy's course-correcting of the DCEU still seems like the superior option, personally-speaking; the *Snyderverse* may have had an overall poor execution, but I think the narrative seeds it planted were still worth exploring. Maybe it wasn't such a good idea for Gunn to go scorched Earth, especially as Cavill returning as Supes was, for all intents and purposes, the one saving grace the DCEU had going for it before he came along. Then again, this is the same guy who didn't want a Nova movie in the MCU for his own petty reasons when he did Guardians of the Galaxy; at least that had the advantage of never getting anywhere past an idea in someone's head rather than leaving the (costly) remainder flounder and flop.
I didn't see it because I liked Cavill as Superman and thought he didn't get a fair chance. Seeing Supermangirl there, looking like a gender-swap, just turned me off from the film. Plus, she always looked angry which is a weird contrast with the comedy of Flash and inclusion of Keaton. I was also sick of seeing ads for it everywhere. They overdo it these days. The main thing that turns me off from Superhero movies are the roadmaps. Seeing what movies will be released for the next 10 years fills me with anti-hype.
Henry Cavill is the CLOSEST you are going to get to Christopher Reeve as Superman. He was utterly PERFECT for the role and everyone loved him to the point where he alone could put butts in seats. Michael Keaton as Batman is another godsend. Gal Godot was an amazing Wonder Woman (even if her movies were written poorly). Ben Affleck (as much as I dislike the guy personally) was a solid Batman too. I even liked Sasha Calle as Supergirl, and I never cared for Supergirl before. They even had The Rock as Black Adam, which might not make a successful lead character, but could make a great supporting character. They literally had the world by the balls in terms of casting and they pissed it all away with this mess. This movie is like the scene where Bob Saget goes on about how there's "shit everywhere." They could've just recast Miller, brought Cavill back at the end of the movie to beat up the big bad, preach some Truth, Justice and The American Way, and BAM. Success.
Zaslav should've just canceled all the Snyderverse movies and left a gap so people forget about the DCEU while Gunn works. Gunn's reboot invalidates all these movies already, if they're mediocre on top of that it will end up hurting his universe before it even starts
Gunn is keeping the parts of the DCEU that he and his wife are involved with. So the people were never going to forget and the mediocrity is never going to end.
The lesson WB will never learn it seems. They need to give their superhero stories even a 3 year break and start fresh. But they are too impatient. They are constantly trying to “fix” a previous mistake. Which just makes everything worse as they end up focusing on the past, rather then the present.
The formula for the Dark Knight trilogy was be realistic and serious but not brooding. Have action and don't go too far outside of source material. That should be DCs approach in my opinion.
Maybe the age of the superhero movie is coming to an end. People just don't care as much anymore. Let it fade. If Hollywood turns out just one or two superhero tales a year, that should be sufficient. Then maybe they could gather enough audience to pay off.
@@justinwhite2725 thats true for all movies in general not just superhero, problem is that those movies are just lazy and bad. If WB continued in style of BvS, DC would be a huge success by now.
@@BrucePain-_-i disagree a lot of people hated bvs including me that movie was garbage and tbh I just wish wanner never rushed zack Snyder cause if that never happened we would’ve gotten man of steel 2 and Henry cavil could’ve stayed, we also would have gotten a better introduction of the justice league but all of that is not going to happen and all that blame goes to Walter Hamada, I do have a tiny little faith on guns plan but I doubt it would work
@@justinwhite2725 You live in a tiny bubble. The mass audience doesn't know about and doesn't care about "woke." Yes, the quality is falling off, but it's not because your niche political bugaboo got poked.
With all of the editing and reshoots why in the name of all that is holy did they keep in the scene with a bunch of twelve-year-old girls shouting out "we love you Flash?" It's a huge slap in the face of every grooming victim, not just the one he is accused of abusing.
The saddest aspect is that there tons of great Flash storylines that they could have used for a standalone Flash movie, but they used Flashpoint. Dumb decision over a decade ago.
They didn’t decide on flashpoint a decade ago. They decided on Flashpoint once they realized the Snyderverse was failing, so like 4 years ago. They were using Flashpoint to fix their previous DCEU messes. Which of course was a problem, but can’t tell executives that. (I followed much of The Flash developments as I thought a solo Flash movie wouldn’t happen. They changed it so many times not understanding the way their entire universe was made was the problem.) They should have just left the character of The Flash alone to do his own thing like they did with Wonder Woman and Aquaman. There’s a reason those films did well, and it’s because they weren’t used to fix Zack Snyder’s mistakes.
After watching it: Fun movie, halfway decent plot, derailing continutity errors, hard to look past the artist and be unbiased toward the art (but people seem to share that struggle with a certain German Painter)
Movies shouldn't be subject to these sorts of reshoots and changed endings. You either have a story worth telling or you don't. You didn't read about massive reshoots, alternate endings, or 45 minutes of deleted scenes with the Nolan trilogy (even though they had to change directions after Heath Ledger).
IIRC, there have been a few times when reshoots and changed endings saved a movie. Changed endings in particular have a tendency to make the movie better more often, probably because it is only a scene or two being reshot and re-edited. Most times, they just baloon the budget. Honestly, ity sounds like they really need someone asking, "will this change bring in more people than the cost of reshooting?"
I think as long as Superman Legacy has a £120-130 million budget it'll do fine. These creatives need to get £1 billion out their head. Make a great movie expecting it'll make £500 to £600 million. The returns will go up with consistent good films.
@@Moray2023 Citing one ok film is just the exception that proves the rule that 99% of what Hollywood makes is garbage. It's a sick, disgusting, creatively bankrupt industry and it's deservedly burning down as we speak. Good riddance.
Funny enough it's the death and Reboot more than anything imo as well. Most people don't even know who Ezra Miller is, let alone the illegal acts he's been up to. But people do tend to listen when it's announced the run of a series is ending and the current movies don't matter. It's like watching the pilot episode of a series you know never got picked up.
Warner Bros could only fail. Seems like it will always be true. They should turn the live action over to the cartoon division and give them free reign.
I'm starting to believe that NONE of these production companies have our best interest at heart. I'm starting to think that this is all just a big conspiracy to destroy the fans hopes and dreams for quality entertainment. There cant be any other explanation other than them just wanting us to suffer. I'm a huge Keaton fan and the flash is prob one of my fav superheroes. Ive been wanting to see Keaton come back since I was a teenager. Now that he came back...i feel conflicted. They handled his character well. Im happy about that. But i just hate that its tied to this complete WB DC meltdown. Its just unbelieveable. I'm pretty much done at this point. They should just stop making comic book movies at this point.
Don’t give out hope?? Are you retarded thats exactly what they want. They want to break you and have you give up. Stay strong and hold out hope that one day someone will come along and make a movie with heart and true passion. I also agree. I really like the flash as a hero and it’s wack they have to be in all that bs but I’ll never give up on them
I would have loved to have seen it and tried to support DC. But Ezra getting away with all that hes done and Alec Baldwin literally getting away with murder, I just can't do it man. I can't keep giving these people my money.
Alec Baldwin was handed a bad gun and acted like actors do. He trusted someone else. The guy is a douche but you don’t know what the definition of murder is.
Should have done a good Man of Steel 2 movie. You would think DC would have learned that heavy edit/hack jobs on their theatrical releases ruin the movie (BvS & JL ring a bell?)
The tragedy of the DCEU is that all of these actors were mostly well cast and had horrible scripts to work with. Henry Cavill being the one to suffer the most. Gal at least had her first movie and everyone loved Batflleck. Mamoa also had his moment in his movie, which crossed 1 bi and I think it was the only to do so for the DCEU.
Exactly it. They got Zack Snyder who is an image guy, not a story guy. What’s needed is a studio executive who understands story is important. Not a film director who self indulges.
I’m not a DC guy in particular, but I don’t think it’s fair to judge Gunn on a zombie/Frankenstein movie that was hacked and welded together before he even got on the team. Basically, I want to see Gunn’s first DC Movie completely on attached to the old DCU before, judging what he can bring to the table. If the next movie flops just as hard, then Gunn himself as a flop.
He had complete control with suicide squad 2 and that was a flop. it was released during pandemic but a lot of other movies from wb were released during that time and they made money (like godzilla vs kong and dune.) black adam made more money than suicide squad2 but gunn gets a promotion. its all fukt
@@PhilMoskowitz GotG3 maybe more up to Marvel having shat the bed with a stead stream of MSheU stinkers. It did after all have good legs, which is more then can be said to all the other MSheU stinkers.
@@mudbutt234 Dune did not make money. The movie massively underperformed at the box office too. Because AT&T put WB's entire release schedule on HBO-Max simultaneously.
Now they had plenty of time to fix this movie I mean it's been in production for many many years they knew Ezra Miller's problems they had plenty of time to recast and redo things hell they already spent three hundred million on the film as it is after the fact so they would have probably ended up about that number but with a whole different person my vote would be for Grant Gustin and that's the person that is my flash
I honestly believe if the movie was any good, people would've gone to see it regardless of Ezra's actions. He's obviously damaged ticket sales to a degree, but the fact that the movie was in development hell for almost ten years with numerous reshoots and directors getting hired and fired was probably the biggest giveaway that the movie was never going to do well at the box office.
Hot take: If James Gunn wasn't brought into the picture, we may have had a better DCEU with Henry Cavil Superman, Ben Affleck Batman, and a recast Flash and Mera. It may have been much better than what we are going to get considering Gunn thought it was funny to screw the ending of the Flash for a joke.
No because Gunn took over the plan was for Keaton to be the DCEU Batman, not Ben. Keaton would've then passed the torch to Batgirl and Supes would have passed the torch to Supergirl
I saw it opening day, and was initially surprised that the 4DX theatre I saw it in had hardly anybody in it. I'm not a diehard DC fanboy, but I know enough about these characters, and actually enjoyed The Flash. But I can understand how between bad CGI, certain expectations (especially considering the production issues and delays), Ezra Miller's offscreen shenanigans, knowing that the DCEU is being replaced by the DCU, and a string of bad-or-meh DC films, not to mention competition from Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse and even Transformers: Rise Of The Beasts, that maybe it shouldn't have been that much of a surprise that it had a weak opening.
They axed Cavil, but kept Miller. As far as I'm concerned this is poetic justice.
Cavill should have come out as non binary - make himself unfireable :)
I still maintain it was because it would have made it easier for Zazlav to fire Ezra.
Amen....im done with DC unless they bring back Cavil
Fire Zazlav 😂. He is killing Warner Bros legacy
Exactly! They want so badly to copy Disney, but the only movies that were good from their DCEU were Man of Steel, & the Snyder cut of Justice League.
Pro-tip: Don't announce the death of your team up franchise while you've still got movies coming out in that franchise.
unless you actively want to hinder that franchise in order to present yourself as its sole saviour afterwards
@@sunsetman22 only to become a fraud in the process
Especially when most people don't have the comic book knowledge to understand the totality of a Flashpoint paradox... It's hard to pull off an in canon reboot because the concept, which is something that happens in comics often, won't translate well in movie goers' linear minds.
EXACTLY 😂😂😂😂 unknowingly or not, they committed suicide
Pro-Tip:
1. Don't unceremoniously boot off the guy everybody likes as the modern Superman, just because you didn't like something he said.
2. Don't keep around a loser who's mentally ill, and did 10x worse as the Superman actor.
3. Don't make him the STAR of a movie you're banking your entire existence on.
4. Don't have the Superman we wanted to see, have a decently important role.
5. Don't make Supergirl look like some lame butch lesbian.
6. Don't make a movie who's entire purpose is to erase the contemporary characters that everyone liked (Everyone liked Affleck as Batman, Cavil as Superman, Gadot as Wonder Woman, ray Fisher as Cyborg, and even Jason Momoa as Aquaman), and expect it to break box office records.
Birds Of Prey - Flopped
The Suicide Squad - Flopped
Black Adam - Flopped
Shazam 2 - Flopped
The Flash - Flopped
As Batman once said: Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb.
Don't worry, The Authority and Booster Gold will make them money right?
@@nicholasseymour7943 Blue Beetle will make them the most money 😂😂😂😂
And as Blade once said: _"There's always some m*therf*cker trying to ice-skate uphill."_
@@nicholasseymour7943 don't forget about Creature Commandos
It should be note that Black Adam didn’t show in China-a pretty big narket
You hit the nail on the head. When they axed Hamada and Sarnoff, brought back Henry and everyone knew they planned to keep the DCEU together with a sequel to Man of Steel (with the post credit scene on Black Adam)… we we’re hyped! When Gunn came in and killed our dreams, we gave up on WB… when the fat cats at DC/WB beg us to come back and support James Gunn’s DC… we will whisper back “no”…
Okay Rorschach
Disgusting. BvS made more than 870 millions which, adjusted by inflation, would be more than 900 millions nowadays; even though the WB shills sabotaged and boycotted Snyder. BvS: Ultimate Edition is one of the best CBMs ever made. Man of Steel is the most profitable Superman films ever made. Snyder films NEVER lost money. Both Ezra Miller and James Gunn are P3D0S who should be in JAIL.
#BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderVerse
@@TighelanderII 🤓
We screamed "Give us Black Widow" in 2010 hollywood gave us Red Sparrow.
We cried "Give us BATMAN BEYOND with Micheal Keaton" they gave us a cameo. Hollywood hates us.
Keaton should have been given a Batman Beyond movie.
They really thought people wanted to see 2 Ezra Miller Barry Allens?
Didn't even want to see 1 😭
Lol right? He didn't deserve a movie and they made him play 2 people they really support weirdos
At this rate, there will be 2 Amber Heard characters in Aquaman 2.
It's a multiverse. When Spiderman hit $2 billion box office they figured they gotta do the multiverse thing too.
I would’ve chosen Grant Gustin. He’s more than earned it.
1. Nobody wanted this movie.
2. DC has been making garbage for ten years now.
3. Ezra Miller is a freak and nobody wants to financially support that.
4. Budgets are out of control across the industry.
5. The superhero movie trend is over now.
The perfect storm.
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Well said 💯
+ Going to the movies is expensive; the economy is bad and people are being more selective about the movies they pay for.
I agree with everything except the superhero movie trend being over, especially with Across The Spiderverse just releasing and doing really well. Marvel and DC have just been releasing really CRAP movies for the last two and a half years now, save for No Way Home (which really wasn't even that good and mostly got by on nostalgia-bait.)
I would question 2.
DC has been making garbage since before I was born. It's a constant stream of garbage. Superman, Batman and whoever else is in that universe are just not interesting. They are grandpa's superheroes. And no, just making them young and female won't change that. The character concept is the problem. Even in the lauded Dark Knight, the star wasn't Batman, it was the Joker. Same for the Joaquim Phoenix movie, great stuff. I don't remember a single thing from Dark Knight Rises except the funny voice of Bane.
The fact WB thought we wanted to see two Ezra Millers at the same time is quite hilarious.
Well, they wrote it before he fell apart.
I have seen him in other stuff and his a good actor and could do the promotion side of the job too. Then he mentally imploded. 10 years of development hell wasn’t helpful either.
@@LadyScaperno he is a criminal stop defending this dude...its getting sad
@@LadyScaper he is a criminal🤣
Three*
It doesn’t help that there are previous adaptations that did these stories better: If you want a Flashpoint movie, just watch the animated version released a decade earlier; if you want to see Michael Keaton’s Batman, just watch the Tim Burton films.
👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿
When you all have to do is rewatch the animation and rewatch tim burton's show. You have nothing to lose but millions of dollars on a half baked idea.
Yeahhhh but what about the people that want new and better quality content? I liked the flash movie yes it could have been better but if the cgi was good you wouldn’t say bub kiss.
"Ezra is not a draw"
Understatement of the decade.
Ezra's Flash getting a movie is already bad enough, but realizing how much Warner sacrificed to keep him in the role makes it even worse.
He's not still in the role. His mental meltdown began after he finished filming this movie and was already paid in full. It was a fair business decision to release the film in order to try to recoup some of that money. It's like the Cosby Show. They still show in syndication in order to make money and allow the other actors and actresses to profit from royalties. Cosby himself just happens to benefit a little bit financially too. Unlike Ezra, Cosby went to prison. Another white and black comparison when it comes to the judicial system.
Really I personally enjoyed it rbh
It’s actually a really good movie, great performances by Ezra and Michael Keaton. It’s a shame that Ezra’s chaotic personal life affected the popularity of this movie and the DC franchise.
Same. I thought it was really good and have seen the same from people I know.
@@danielho9753 chaotic? It’s a little more serious that that. He should have been removed. His actions have negated anything he now does in cinema. This movie would have been huge if they’d got rid of him
Gunn: I am not responsible for the Flash failure
Also Gunn: Let me send notes to the director demanding changes on the movie
Considering that his notes scrap the whole D-She-U crap, it's a improvement....
Short of completely reshooting the movie without Ezra Weirdo and adding another 150 mln to the already immense cost I don't see how much James Gunn could have done to save this movie. I don't think that even having Cavill in it in a cameo would have mattered much.
At least be happy this movie removed Miller as the flash.
I mean, given that he's running the show for DC now, Gunn has to give notes so that the movie doesn't set up part 2 of the Snyder Verse, D-She-U or whatever. As much as it sucks to go into it thinking "this is a creative dead end," it also sucks to come back to it years later saying "I wish I hadn't gotten hyped for something they knew wouldn't happen."
Still, the everyone on the courthouse steps would have been a better ending exactly for what was said, that the last vision of characters isn't dead at a villain's hands, a one off cameo that meant nothing, or a less than ideal sequel.
The DC film universe (at least to this point) will be studied for years on how not to run a film franchise. A case study in bad casting, bad planning, reactive filmmaking to copy the successful competition, executives putting financial success before film quality, and a weird Kobayashi Maru of sunken costs in films already made.
He pits himself in the line of fire time and time again.
The Flash is very much a movie where I am celebrating its failure; the hard it fails, the more I'm celebrating.
What about the flash fans and people who genuinely liked the movie? Fuck us huh
@@joshgamingvlogs5203 Aside from wondering what is genuinely enjoyed about the movie - because frankly I'm not hearing much in terms of what people would genuinely enjoy about the movie - I place Ezra Miller facing genuine consequences and Hollywood not having any ground to make excuses for him first.
Serves them right for refusing to get rid of their sociopathic criminal of a lead actor.
How did they not see this coming? Even without all the crime, Ezra is a pathetic Flash. To be fair, he's written to be annoying, but Lord, he really leans into that
They did, but not releasing means that they lose all the money. This way they are losing less. However, they are also suffering brand damage as well as tanking Gunn's reputation, with his lie about how good this movie was.
@@EnsignRedshirtRicky You nailed it. I bet that's why they didn't finish the visual effects. And yeah, the brand damage is going to have a ripple effect
they should of cancelled this just like Batgirl
The people running the Studios have NEVER been in touch with the Audience - that's what their Underlings are for.
The current generation of Underlings take their cues from Social Media. Which is... bad, but what's worse is that they have taken a side in the matter and completely discount channels like Midnight's Edge (or worse, turn them into literal enemies - like Doomcock and She Hulk), channels that DO have a finger on the pulse of the audience because they ARE the audience.
@@EnsignRedshirtRicky Not true. They could have taken the tax break. Like they did with Batgirl. This means they don't have to share half of the money with the theater. If they went this route, they probably would have lost about 50 million dollars or so.
Releasing this movie might cost them as much as 300 million. That means that even without the tax break, they would have been better off not releasing it (since the movie cost 250 million). And the budget would have been lower, because they wouldn't have done the final reshoot.
They absolutely would have had more money if they didn't release it.
Edit: How does 250 million turn into a 300 million loss? Advertising and distribution.
As soon as they nuked Caville after saying he was making a return I was done with DC, I just don't have the time for endless reboots and movies that go nowhere story-wise, movies that set up sequels that will never happen, characters and actors wasted etc It's just not worth investing in and I guess others are sick of wasting their time as well. Got other things to do my friends.
Who would have thought that firing Superman instead of Ezra and Amber would NOT yield positive results? Great job antagonizing the built in audience who would have supported this movie by default James Gunn!
Karma to James Gunn and WB…,LOL. They were so awful day, Henry Cavill. They did him wrong. So glad that this movie is failing. Will not be supporting anything that involves James Gunn. Did rather support a criminal like Miller, then a decent moral actor like Henry Cavill.
The ESG hires supporting the ESG tribe first, nothing shocking with modern Hollyweird which is all in on the huwhitez bad. Part of that scummy power grab.
The American people have voted with their wallets
Ezra and Amber have LGBT+ privilege. Can't loose them will out loosing ESG score.
The movie was already finished by the time Ezra had his spree. You can't really fire the guy from a film that's already made. DC obviously considered scrapping this movie because of it, but they already scrapped other projects for their tax write-offs. I get why they released it; it's a pretty good movie. And I get why people might not want to watch it. Whether that be Ezra being in it or the negative attacks by the conservatives or even just the fact that it's a lame duck movie considering DC is resetting and the Snyder-verse is done.
Any which way, it's a pretty good movie, and it's too bad people don't want to watch it. But I get it.
A shame Wonder Woman got canned by the time a third film could have been done. The first movie was very good and even beforehand, I heard nothing but praise and good word of mouth about it from family and online alike. Then the exact opposite regarding the second one. . .
Definitely. Gadot was perfect for the part and could have been the natural 'inclusionary' franchise star without the fake pushing of 'girl power' versions of Superman and Batman.
So basically they want to convince us that barry didnt even think to watch the crime scene from a distance so he can identify the killer.
I was intrigued by the idea of Gunn when he was first announced, but they lost me when they screwed over Cavill. It didn't make me much happier to see that Gadot and Affleck are out too. I am a DC fan, with Supes being my fav superhero and my loving the casting of the Trinity, but now I am done with it. WB just cannot get their crap together.
Most of the DC fans are with you.
Even I was out after they screwed over Cavil.
WB has not been able to get their crap together for 30 years. To expect them to learn from their mistakes is pure insanity. As for James Gunn, I knew from the start that he was going to fail from the very start of his CEO tenure. He is an over-rated filmmaker and writer with a mediocre resume. Not mention no executive experience. His first film for DC Suicide Sqaud was a flop. The only good superhero film he made well was Gardians of the Galaxy volume one. V2 was not as great, but would have been worse without Kurt Russle. V3 was a disaster waiting to happen. Face it, WB Descovery put a loser in charge. They would have been better off if they went through with the deal they had going with J J Abraham and Bad Robot. Caville was their gold mine actor to fire him was a stupid business decision. Honestly, big corporations have forgotten how to conduct good business. The golden rule of big business ( Give the consumer's what they want. ) Yes, film making and acting is an art, but it is first and foremost a product. The goal is to make money, but money can't be made if the customer is not satisfied with the products.
In fairness to Gunn, the DCEU is an unsalvageable mess. Rotten to its core.
There’s no way to keep going in the same universe, with all the broken continuity.
@joemamma137 WB, DC never could keep or deliver on a straight plan for last 30 years. Their problems are two main things. 1 they give up on a plan the moment a single film doesn't do as well as they hoped. 2 the executives keep interfering with the creative liberty of the real professionals behind the magic. The directors, writers, and actors. Executives are just burocrats and business people. Telling those under them how to do their jobs is like a cashier telling a train conductor how to drive a train.
Waller didn't help.
Everytime this happens (ALOT LATELY), I sit on my couch, happily smile and sigh, thinking to myself how pathetic it is to watch Holly wood KNOW what they should be doing, and yet, they choose not to and millions into the billions keep getting lost and one project after another crashes and burns.
It's almost cathartic for me.
hollywood would gonna be shocked if they read this 🤣
It makes my little black heart happy that the whole woke Hollywood machine can’t sell their bullsh@t anymore. Gone are the legions of loving fans. I have retreated to my nerd cave to read old back issues and watch Justice League if I want to see the real Flash & Batman hang out
Disgusting. BvS made more than 870 millions which, adjusted by inflation, would be more than 900 millions nowadays; even though the WB shills sabotaged and boycotted Snyder. BvS: Ultimate Edition is one of the best CBMs ever made. Man of Steel is the most profitable Superman films ever made. Snyder films NEVER lost money. Both Ezra Miller and James Gunn are P3D0S who should be in JAIL.
#BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderVerse
How can you be happy as the flash ( the greatest hero in fiction ) gets done dirty which is going to be the sole reason we never get another flash movie
I hope that Michael Keaton knows that all we wanted to see was him.
Ben Affleck too.
@@Sakura_Matouno dude.
Nah I liked the flash and super girl. You can get off his cock Michael doesn’t know you and will probably not like you as a person
When you reject/disrespect the audience, they will turn their backs on you
Very well summarized and shows the sheer arrogance of millionaire elites who come and go at the studios but no one ends up being blamed for the financial disasters that have become all too common in todays Hollywood
warner bros and their dc studios since the richard donner superman era films has been doing this , this is not new thing with them..their track record is so bad other movie studios make satires on them in their cartoons, tv shows and movies
Cavill deserved to be in a good Superman movie. Its a shame that WB and DC couldn't get their act together to make that happen
The flash: “I’m the biggest flop of 2023”
Indy 5: “hold my beer”
"Hold my Bud Light"
This is the year of big flops. It's crazy to see how many there are. You'd think people would have to watch some movie, but no, if there's nothing good out, no one goes to the theaters. Tough lesson for Hollywood but a necessary one.
the phrase has been update to "hold my budlight"
When the lead star having protection orders against him for grooming is only one of the problems, you know it's bad.
When people assume others are guilty of crimes based solely on reading a blog or a headline without viewing any evidence whatsoever of any crime, you know it's bad.
@@MattoCinema You defend Miller, but Johnny had the same thing plus more scrutiny yet he lost his job.
@@MattoCinema There's videos of him choke-slamming a girl and ranting nonsense while getting arrested for spitting on people.
@@MattoCinemawhen people like you completely ignore evidences like pictures, videos and the victims who came forward and talked about what miller did, you know it’s bad 😐
the movie was ok but because of erza reputation people aren't watching the flash
Not surprised Gunn would think that using the Clooney Batman in the ending would be a good idea…he sees the superhero genre as a big joke…
Honestly, almost everyone does. But that doesnt mean you should treat it as such. You play into it to make it enjoyable.
For example, ghostbusters is a joke, but it takes itself seriously at key points so it isnt a complete joke.
Well it flopped because of Ezra Miller,most People that didn’t see the ending had no clue George Clooney was Batman from a Parallel Universe or differently Timeline
Clooney’s cameo was one of the highlights of them film. I laughed
@@nunka34ify Solid ending, sets up the (hopefully) better universe that we deserve! I just hope that there is no more interference from these idiots at WB
It also proves Clooney was simply *acting* when he apologized for his participation in Batman & Robin. The man deserves no credit at all; he has no genuine character, and it's the only reason he *plays* them ;)
Ezra's presence in the premiere was very off and creepy even though he wasn't doing much of anything.
It's like WB allowed him to come out of his cage and told him to behave or else they have snipers ready to tranquilize him if he does something f*cky.
In all honesty, I genuinely thought Michael Keaton being in the movie would've been the ticket to making the movie a huge success and people would have forgotten Ezra's past criminal history, since it's been so long now. I'm happy to see people have not forgotten.
We can see Michael Keaton as Vulture in Marvel movies, we good 👍🏾
@@BklynBabe well Sony Marvel movies now...
Considering how they announced canceling Batgirl which had him in it too no one cared because it showed they didn't have trust in it to continue
I'm not mad at keaton...they can patch that up with a batman beyond movie and I'll be ok with it....just no Miller
Ezra single-handedly killed this movie. I don't believe for one second that his little tirade wasn't enough to do so. Sure, the bad CGI and the weak sauce plot might have contributed. But those haven't stopped these films from being big draws.
DC fate was sealed when they got rid of Henr, and kept Miller.
I believe that James Gun said The Flash was the greatest superhero movie of all time. So, is Mr. Gun going to make his DC movies in the same fashion as The Flash?
making money doesn't determine whether a movies good or not retard. and 75 million isnt even that bad so quit crying lol
Yes James Gun is Done
Yes he will.
U think a studio head is gonna admit one of its films is trash
Considering how rubbish his Suicide Squad was, I have no doubt about it.
What can I say? To quote Joker,” You get what you f’ing deserved.
Theatres are not really a thing since covid, everyone got big screen tv's and multiple streaming services and set up their own home theatres during covid, since then tons of theatre chains filed bankruptcy and closed. Box ofice numbers are meaningless at a time people are struggling between food and medicine and other bills, their already paying for the streaming and will wait until they can watch in the comfort of their homes. The market that existed in 2020 no longer exists.
I agree, James Gunn was burning bridges, and that's never a good idea when you haven't finished building your new bridge first. At Gunn's age, he should know better, but I suspect his ego got the better of him. (Pride before the fall, good month for it too.)
Although I mostly enjoyed the film, I am constantly perplexed and amazed that for 10 years... no one in a position of leadership took the time to understand why Richard Donner's leadership and vision was so effective that nearly 50 years later, people still love Superman '78 and Chris Reeves' characterizations of Superman/Clark. No-one would LEAD!!
Tbh that movie was unbearable to watch just cringe marvel level production story was trash they pooped on the flash point
By watching this film you are openly admitting that you don’t mind seeing a groomer get paid a ridiculous sum to play the flash. Every dollar the film earns increases the odds that Ezra will be cast again in another film. You voted with your wallet and your opinion has been noted by Warner Brothers.
@@davemccage7918 Uh huh. Nah. My dollar was for Keaton.
@@kubrickenigma7977 You don’t get to pick, that’s not how this works. Ezra is out there right now buying another cabin in Connecticut to lure underage girls (or boys possibly, I’m not sure how nonbinary works) to and he’s doing it with your hard earned money.
That's not a thing. The people today, you know those people that are on strike for higher pay (Writers Guild of America), they don't know how to tell compelling stories like Richard Donner and his generation of writers/directors. It's really not that difficult since art imitates life. Just find compelling real life stories and adapt the essence of those to your fictional characters.
Flashpoint with Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Batman and Ben Affleck would be massive success
Agreed. Would have been very interested in that.
No. This is tripe on a fundamental level. It wouldn't work regardless of if the actors.
A simple superhero movie based purely on a recast Flash would've worked. People are sick of the dicking around
Not the way it was built up though. DC screwed up instantly by making BvS the second film in the franchise. The BvS storyline doesn't work without the decades long friendship Supes and Bats built. The problem is DC wanted an avengers payout instantly, and never considered the idea that the original avengers film worked because numerous films built up anticipation for it.
That's what was lost here. And a Thomas Wayne Flashpoint simply doesn't work without a fleshed out Bruce and Berry. They wanted to jump from major title to major title without doing the work required to make those major titles viable.
@@johnwatson1258 yup, bvs was the beginning of the end for dcu, but suicide squad and Wonder Woman made money due to it being in the height of super hero movie popularity
@@johnwatson1258 that's basically a I thought.
I feel the worst for Keaton imagine what we could have had in the future
Or being promised something and having it canned
I bet he got to see upclose how badly mismanaged DC properties are now. Probably reminded him why he bailed in the first place.
Keaton is in his 70's. His time as Batman had no future to begin with
This waste of an opportunity was almost as bad as Disney NOT having a single scene of Luke, Leia, and Han together in TFA.
@@michaelmacleod6517 given his age and the fact that the used to be the on screan Batman; he would have been a perfect choice for Bruce Wayne in a Batman Beyond movie.
The original slate for the DCEU was massive, BUT at this time there was no cbm fatigue, there was room for both, the MCU and the DCEU. DCs first installments made good money, they profited off the MCUs quality at this time. WB wanted to catch up to marvel and i am absolutly convinced that the BIG investment into exact this slate could have matched with marvel. I am so sad we did not get that Flashpoint movie which was supposed to reset the universe for another run. Its beyond crazy that WB was that greedy and wanted MCU numbers with the first movie.
Yep. Exactly the problem. They didn’t want to build up the characters. They’ve been doubling down on that mistake ever since.
Ezra's misconduct no doubt also hurt the box office of the film by some percentage. "Bad boy" antics in real life can sometimes enhance box office performance, but here, Ezra's behavior was cringy and memorable and couldn't be washed away even after a deliberate eight month release delay. Flash needed to be a fantastic movie to overcome all of the headwinds, but it wasn't.
It only wasn’t because of the bad cgi. If it looked good a lot of people would have liked it more. Look up how much support the movie has rn. Now compare that to what could have been if it just had good graphics
Ezra is my reason for not seeing it. And I am a WB D shareholder. Thanks David! Thanks James! We tried to tell you for ~2 years!
We care why??? You missed out on good movie because you’re to stupid to get off your ass and go see it. The movie was good and you’re only hurting yourself not supporting something you’d like.
They fired likes of Johnny Depp...Henry Cavill, and kept Amber Heard and Ezra Miller. That should tell you all you need to know about the old and new regimes of WB.
wOaK pROP a gan-duh
Johnny Depp was a part of WB? Don't you mean Disney?
@@radrobd123that commenter does not even know what they are talking about.
Do they even know this video is about a WB made film?
@@radrobd123fantastic beasts was wb thats what the op is referring to
The most important bit is: I do not see James Hunn simply changing things around. Even more after his finale for the Flash movie. Seems we are walking towards to DC becoming a parody of itself.
THANK YOU for calling Ezra "him".
Too many people go along with his BS. He's a male who abuses females, and should be treated like one.
i feel like the main reason (if not the only reason) the movie didnt do so good was because of Ezra as a person, a very small percentage of people return to the cinema o watch the same movie twice, and the flash is pretty popular due to the injustice games and the CW shows, so for it to pull numbers like this only makes sense if you blame Ezra as a person as a lot of people would not want to go and see a movie who stars a criminal as the mc
Don't feel sorry for Ezra Miller or David Zasluv tho.
David Zaslav is pragmatic to a fault, but at least he's trying to make WB profitable again
Was I supposed to feel sorry for them? 😂
I feel bad for Ezra only in that he clearly needs help
Or James Gunn for that matter, the reason being him firing Henry Cavill.
No worries there.
I remember watching the 2017 Justice League for the first time and thinking to myself, 'This is the new flash?... this is awful'. And this was well before I even knew who the actor was.
His face looks weird even when covered half way with a mask
I mean he first showed up in 2016's Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad
@@radrobd123 you mean the 4 seconds total for both movies? 🤦🏻
@thedayofquicksilver6930 Ezra was actually cast in 2014 nearly 10 years ago and the Flash was meant to come out in 2018 what a disaster it's been.
@@dericjames2018 Grant Gustin said that he heard Ezra was cast a week or so after the Flash tv show premiered in 2014
I remember back in 2017 or so when the actors were doing promos for Justice League, Ezra kept putting his fist up and saying 'Fight the Patriarchy!' and goading Gal Gadot to do so until she gave in.
It actually was a good part of the reason I've never seen any version of the live action Justice League movies.
He always seemed weird and dumb, I just didn't know HOW bad he was. He is certainly worse than any 'patriarchy' that he thought he was fighting.
Not just weird and dumb. That kid is dangerous and malicious.Criminally predatory.
Btw Zack Snyder is to blame for the casting of Ezra
dont give up on ZSJL just cause of Miller, he is very minor part of the really good movie.
@@matthewsengendo6302 Yeah, because this man can predict the future :D Man, Flash in general is an annoying character and snyder knows this, so he kept his role kinda small. And you can bet that Flashpoint Paradox would have been a true adaptation of the comic, making it an incredible ensemble movie with curios takes on the worldbuilding.
He really did that?! I had no idea about that. Ezra really is a far-left weirdo since he pushed Gal to do it.
What a mess of a movie. I am stunned at how Michael Keaton didn't do Batman 3 in 1995, but thought this was a good idea.
DC doesnt seem to understand that a consistent lore is what would actually draw fans. We had 10+ years of consistent character development with RDJ, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, S Johansen, Holland, etc. Now DC / Marvel are making the classic mistake in making none of the previous story matter because just when you get used to something, its wiped out. Multiverse story telling is cheap and lazy writing, and needs to go away.
I really wanted that ending with Henry cavill Superman and sashe Callie supergirl because that could’ve been really awesome and tons of fun.
I really wanted to see Henry Cavill's mustached Superman.
Gunn has a reputation for allegedly what it takes to get his support for an actor. Ezra seems willing to do that, Caville doesn't. Shame he's more worried about compliance on the casting couch than talent and who will draw a bigger audience.
@@PhilMoskowitz lol 😂 I see what you did there.
@@rogerrussell9544
Gunn didn't bring back Cavill cause he's too expensive, too old, and has that Snyderverse stink on him. I think Cavill was literally the only good casting choice in the entire shitshow that was the Snyderverse, but I don't blame Gunn for wanting a hard reset with a fresh, new, younger, cheaper actor.
@@MarvinPowell1 You think so? Yet his loyal fans pay to see his movies, the younger, less expensive Ezra can't say the same. Could it be that you're wrong?
For Hollywood at large, the man takeaway from this debacle will be the that Ezra Miller is box-office poison. Bye-bye Ezra! Enjoy your career in direct-to-video. I look forward to your stunning and brave performance in the next Sharknado film, co-starring Jonathan Majors.
While the nostalgia factor was okay to see, WB Discovery VASTLY overestimated Michael Keaton's box office draw. Can you imagine how low these numbers would've been if they didn't constantly trot him out as if "The Flash" was a "Batman" film like the way the marketing suggested? Although proceeding with Ezra Miller as the Flash when they did have the chance to do otherwise (right after the first controversy with "them" choking a woman) is what really killed the film.
They knew this film couldn't bring it to the profit zone so instead of trashing it they went again pushing the film forward. They took a gamble to make something so its not a total failure.
I believe Peter Safran is mostly to blame for this CHAOS. He could have replaced Ezra years ago but he Didn't. Instead he protected Ezra Loser & Amber Turd.
And now Aquaman 2 is on the next FLOP List just like this movie 😂🤣.
People also remember Gunn's "bizarre" tweets about children... many labeling him a pedo... people also know about Miller being a weirdo who attacks people and has gotten away with things that would land non-celebutards in jail for. People wont forgive that... especially when the perpetrators are unrepentant
I never understood the hype around James Gunn, but I was willing to give him a chance. Now that I've seen his vision in action, I'm only interested to see how much he can crash and burn before he's out.
He was good with Guardians, and that's about it. And that's only because he essentially made them his own original thing, rather than what they are in the comics. Why DC chose him to be the overseer of their universe, I don't understand.
@@WarpChaos All 3 Guardians movies are critical darlings, THE Suicide Squad is a critical darling (that movie was a victim of pandemic and same day streaming, unfortunately), and Peacemaker was a critical darling.
WB making Snyder the overseer of their universe was the mistake that messed everything up to this point. Snyder made a Batman vs Superman movie that couldn't do better than Joker or Aquaman at the box office lol.
@@123LORDOFHELL Guardians 2 sucked, and The Suicide Squad was very meh. I think Snyder is overrated, but Gunn isn't much better. He's certainly not the choice to oversee a universe. Hell, I'm expecting his Superman to be a comedy movie with an 80's soundtrack, like Guardians.
Ask him about being on the Epstein flight log while you're at it ;)
I mean, in his defense this movie was made way before he was named head of DC
In a sane world, WB would have taken this movie as a tax write-off after all of Ezra's criminal charges. In a sane world, Ezra would have been banished from Hollywood for those charges, hell he would have been ejected from any and all projects after just one.
Unfortunately, we're not living in a sane world
What jobs does he have after this?
Great video! The cognitive dissonance over at WB and Disney is palpable
Ezra is the biggest issue with this movie but they'll never acknowledge he's the problem for some reason.
Biggest issue was the cgi… we watch the same movie?
@@joshgamingvlogs5203 I have no interest in watching the movie because Ezra is in it. The actual content of the film is irrelevant.
A major, major mistake of the film from the get-go was basing the DCEU Flash's first film on Flashpoint. That is essentially the equivalent of Marvel/Sony making No Way Home Tom Holland's first solo film as Spider-Man. No chance to slowly build up the character, establish his regular life and supporting cast...instead, just rush straight into a guest character-loaded multiverse adventure. It really says everything about how the previous DCEU regime just thought they could rush into being Marvel Studios, relying solely on their big character names without having to do any of the story groundwork.
Even if everything from Ezra Miller's crime spree to the upcoming James Gunn-led reboot didn't happen, The Flash would still be greatly damaged by the story it decided to go with, one which also already had two adaptions already ("The Flashpoint Paradox" animated film and an arc of the TV series) and probably didn't need another immediate revisit.
We tried to warn him. We told Gunn “get rid of Ezra Miller” but he didn’t listen.
The movie was completed before Gunn took over DC. He couldn't re-shoot an entire movie and replace Ezra with a new actor. He was stuck with the film he got
Also this movie was filmed in 2021 way before Ezra went insane in 2022.
@@radrobd123 The first Back to Future reshot every Marty McFly scene with Micheal J. Fox after the first month of filming. I’m pretty sure they could’ve reshot the scenes where Ezra Miller Wasn’t in the Flash costume. It probably would’ve cost more but anything would be better than Ezra Miller.
@@Horneroid Back to the Future was not finished with principal photography when Stoltz was replaced with Fox. Nowhere near complete. This movie was done with principal photography. They still had to do special FX and reshoots, but it would be near impossible to reshoot an entire movie with a new actor
@@radrobd123 Good point. I should’ve thought that argument through.
I gave DC the chance to stand against child abuse but instead they kept Ezra Miller on the project.
What does them dropping or keeping him do ... He still a human and a citizen that deserves forgiveness.
@@UrbanMediaReview Meanwhile they dropped other actors immediately for far less
@@UrbanMediaReview my man Ezra can consider himself forgiven. However, that does not excuse his prior behavior, and it also doesn't settle that I now have to support him. He is not entitled to my labor.
@@UrbanMediaReview That's generally not how crime works. As in, he's never actually had to deal with his crimes.
What are you talking about?
Stay on the project?
The project was completed!
This isn’t a case of they just started filming or or even we’re halfway through.
It was finished.
You expect them to go back and re-shoot the entire thing and spend another $200 million?
Go back to planet bizarro…
I haven’t heard anyone say that they liked the flash, instead I’ve consistently heard people say they enjoyed the parts of the movie that Ezra wasn’t in. I know that I wasn’t the only one who wasn’t going to separate the character from the actor. His crimes against women and children are where I draw the line. Hollywood has allowed disgusting people to do awful things without ever being held accountable. I’m not a movie reviewer, I’m a parent and if Miller acts like Miller when the movie is over it will be Warner Brothers who made it all possible when they paid off his victims and anyone else they wanted to keep quiet. There’s probably some police in Hawaii who should be fired if not in jail themselves.
The Hollywood bubble probably thought that their mantra of, 'oh, you are non binary so you can do anything you want at any time', would be accepted by the man on the street.
Preach
I very much (to my surprise) enjoyed Ezra’s performance. Same with the reviews I’ve seen.
I didn't mind it, even with Ezra... don't like him as a person though. And I thought he was better in ZSJL than this but still I thought it was alright...
Absolutely. The cameos are the coolest part and if Michael Keaton is in it then it's a must see.
"..how many Batman's can we get?" Nothing reveals their desperation and incompetence more than this statement.
De Luca and Abdy's course-correcting of the DCEU still seems like the superior option, personally-speaking; the *Snyderverse* may have had an overall poor execution, but I think the narrative seeds it planted were still worth exploring.
Maybe it wasn't such a good idea for Gunn to go scorched Earth, especially as Cavill returning as Supes was, for all intents and purposes, the one saving grace the DCEU had going for it before he came along.
Then again, this is the same guy who didn't want a Nova movie in the MCU for his own petty reasons when he did Guardians of the Galaxy; at least that had the advantage of never getting anywhere past an idea in someone's head rather than leaving the (costly) remainder flounder and flop.
They think we’re fools, but we’re not foolish enough to give them our money
Disney - runs multiple juggernaut franchises into the ground and loses billions with major movie flops.
WB - "Hold my beer..."
Hold my bud light...
In computer sciences, we always wanted the biggest flops: MegaFlops, GigaFlops, TeraFlops, PetaFlops,
I remember the era with Floppy discs.
Hahaha 🤣
EzraFlops
I didn't see it because I liked Cavill as Superman and thought he didn't get a fair chance. Seeing Supermangirl there, looking like a gender-swap, just turned me off from the film. Plus, she always looked angry which is a weird contrast with the comedy of Flash and inclusion of Keaton. I was also sick of seeing ads for it everywhere. They overdo it these days. The main thing that turns me off from Superhero movies are the roadmaps. Seeing what movies will be released for the next 10 years fills me with anti-hype.
Henry Cavill is the CLOSEST you are going to get to Christopher Reeve as Superman. He was utterly PERFECT for the role and everyone loved him to the point where he alone could put butts in seats.
Michael Keaton as Batman is another godsend. Gal Godot was an amazing Wonder Woman (even if her movies were written poorly). Ben Affleck (as much as I dislike the guy personally) was a solid Batman too. I even liked Sasha Calle as Supergirl, and I never cared for Supergirl before. They even had The Rock as Black Adam, which might not make a successful lead character, but could make a great supporting character.
They literally had the world by the balls in terms of casting and they pissed it all away with this mess. This movie is like the scene where Bob Saget goes on about how there's "shit everywhere."
They could've just recast Miller, brought Cavill back at the end of the movie to beat up the big bad, preach some Truth, Justice and The American Way, and BAM. Success.
The movie was better than expected. Not gonna drop a tear for them though, they had it coming for negating our superman.
Zaslav should've just canceled all the Snyderverse movies and left a gap so people forget about the DCEU while Gunn works. Gunn's reboot invalidates all these movies already, if they're mediocre on top of that it will end up hurting his universe before it even starts
Gunn is keeping the parts of the DCEU that he and his wife are involved with. So the people were never going to forget and the mediocrity is never going to end.
The lesson WB will never learn it seems.
They need to give their superhero stories even a 3 year break and start fresh. But they are too impatient. They are constantly trying to “fix” a previous mistake. Which just makes everything worse as they end up focusing on the past, rather then the present.
The first time I saw Justice League when I saw Ezra Miller as the flash i was like ughhh they picked this guy as the flash?
They’re not in panic, it’s just another sign that new direction was needed
Gunn got rid of guys who build DCEU. Serves DC riight!
The formula for the Dark Knight trilogy was be realistic and serious but not brooding. Have action and don't go too far outside of source material. That should be DCs approach in my opinion.
I still think Batman Begins and The Knight Rises was the blueprint the DCEU was supposed to follow.
Maybe the age of the superhero movie is coming to an end. People just don't care as much anymore. Let it fade. If Hollywood turns out just one or two superhero tales a year, that should be sufficient. Then maybe they could gather enough audience to pay off.
There isn't superhero fatigue. It's woke fatigue.
Spiderverse made money tho
@@justinwhite2725 thats true for all movies in general not just superhero, problem is that those movies are just lazy and bad. If WB continued in style of BvS, DC would be a huge success by now.
@@BrucePain-_-i disagree a lot of people hated bvs including me that movie was garbage and tbh I just wish wanner never rushed zack Snyder cause if that never happened we would’ve gotten man of steel 2 and Henry cavil could’ve stayed, we also would have gotten a better introduction of the justice league but all of that is not going to happen and all that blame goes to Walter Hamada, I do have a tiny little faith on guns plan but I doubt it would work
@@justinwhite2725 You live in a tiny bubble. The mass audience doesn't know about and doesn't care about "woke." Yes, the quality is falling off, but it's not because your niche political bugaboo got poked.
It’s quite shocking how DC just fails at everything.
I liked the Clooney cameo. A team-up with Keaton, Clooney, and Affleck would have been gold. Like no way home.
Hell yeah
But Keaton and Clooney are the same Batman.
As ALWAYS Andre, EXCELLENT information and explanation video!!! YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!!!
Well the flash needed to run back in time and stop himself from being a groomer.
With all of the editing and reshoots why in the name of all that is holy did they keep in the scene with a bunch of twelve-year-old girls shouting out "we love you Flash?" It's a huge slap in the face of every grooming victim, not just the one he is accused of abusing.
They definitely thought to themselves that one child molester wasn’t enough so they got two!
The saddest aspect is that there tons of great Flash storylines that they could have used for a standalone Flash movie, but they used Flashpoint. Dumb decision over a decade ago.
They couldn't even get Flashpoint right 🤦♂️
They didn’t decide on flashpoint a decade ago. They decided on Flashpoint once they realized the Snyderverse was failing, so like 4 years ago. They were using Flashpoint to fix their previous DCEU messes. Which of course was a problem, but can’t tell executives that.
(I followed much of The Flash developments as I thought a solo Flash movie wouldn’t happen. They changed it so many times not understanding the way their entire universe was made was the problem.)
They should have just left the character of The Flash alone to do his own thing like they did with Wonder Woman and Aquaman. There’s a reason those films did well, and it’s because they weren’t used to fix Zack Snyder’s mistakes.
Definitive proof they should have stuck with Snyder.
Karma is a bitch WB
After watching it: Fun movie, halfway decent plot, derailing continutity errors, hard to look past the artist and be unbiased toward the art (but people seem to share that struggle with a certain German Painter)
Movies shouldn't be subject to these sorts of reshoots and changed endings. You either have a story worth telling or you don't. You didn't read about massive reshoots, alternate endings, or 45 minutes of deleted scenes with the Nolan trilogy (even though they had to change directions after Heath Ledger).
IIRC, there have been a few times when reshoots and changed endings saved a movie. Changed endings in particular have a tendency to make the movie better more often, probably because it is only a scene or two being reshot and re-edited.
Most times, they just baloon the budget. Honestly, ity sounds like they really need someone asking, "will this change bring in more people than the cost of reshooting?"
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How is James Gunn not like JJ Abrams again?
James Gunn actually has talent.
(And no, I'm not his biggest fan or agree with his politics, but I call it how I see it.)
James Gunn has made nothing but good movies and Abrams has made nothing but mid at best?
I think as long as Superman Legacy has a £120-130 million budget it'll do fine. These creatives need to get £1 billion out their head. Make a great movie expecting it'll make £500 to £600 million. The returns will go up with consistent good films.
Hollywood doesn't make good films anymore. Just garbage and more garbage.
@@bigtechisbigbrother8690 wow this guy hates Top Gun Maverick. What a lefty.
@@Moray2023 Citing one ok film is just the exception that proves the rule that 99% of what Hollywood makes is garbage. It's a sick, disgusting, creatively bankrupt industry and it's deservedly burning down as we speak. Good riddance.
The days of throwing $350M at a movie are over, they were over for over 3 years now...but like everything, Hollywood is learning it the hard way.
Funny enough it's the death and Reboot more than anything imo as well. Most people don't even know who Ezra Miller is, let alone the illegal acts he's been up to. But people do tend to listen when it's announced the run of a series is ending and the current movies don't matter. It's like watching the pilot episode of a series you know never got picked up.
They should have just made a batman beyond movie with michael keaton, it would have made money.
Warner Bros could only fail. Seems like it will always be true. They should turn the live action over to the cartoon division and give them free reign.
The cartoon division are more woke.
It's basically what Disney is doing now and it's collapsing.
I'm starting to believe that NONE of these production companies have our best interest at heart. I'm starting to think that this is all just a big conspiracy to destroy the fans hopes and dreams for quality entertainment. There cant be any other explanation other than them just wanting us to suffer. I'm a huge Keaton fan and the flash is prob one of my fav superheroes. Ive been wanting to see Keaton come back since I was a teenager. Now that he came back...i feel conflicted. They handled his character well. Im happy about that. But i just hate that its tied to this complete WB DC meltdown. Its just unbelieveable. I'm pretty much done at this point. They should just stop making comic book movies at this point.
Yup.
The best content out there is in porn.
Of course they don't care about the fans, these companies prioritizes their ESG Scores more than anything
Don’t give out hope?? Are you retarded thats exactly what they want. They want to break you and have you give up. Stay strong and hold out hope that one day someone will come along and make a movie with heart and true passion. I also agree. I really like the flash as a hero and it’s wack they have to be in all that bs but I’ll never give up on them
I would have loved to have seen it and tried to support DC. But Ezra getting away with all that hes done and Alec Baldwin literally getting away with murder, I just can't do it man. I can't keep giving these people my money.
Alec Baldwin was handed a bad gun and acted like actors do. He trusted someone else. The guy is a douche but you don’t know what the definition of murder is.
Should have done a good Man of Steel 2 movie. You would think DC would have learned that heavy edit/hack jobs on their theatrical releases ruin the movie (BvS & JL ring a bell?)
The tragedy of the DCEU is that all of these actors were mostly well cast and had horrible scripts to work with. Henry Cavill being the one to suffer the most. Gal at least had her first movie and everyone loved Batflleck.
Mamoa also had his moment in his movie, which crossed 1 bi and I think it was the only to do so for the DCEU.
Exactly it. They got Zack Snyder who is an image guy, not a story guy. What’s needed is a studio executive who understands story is important. Not a film director who self indulges.
I’m not a DC guy in particular, but I don’t think it’s fair to judge Gunn on a zombie/Frankenstein movie that was hacked and welded together before he even got on the team.
Basically, I want to see Gunn’s first DC Movie completely on attached to the old DCU before, judging what he can bring to the table. If the next movie flops just as hard, then Gunn himself as a flop.
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 underperformed and "The Suicide Squad" was an outright flop.
He had complete control with suicide squad 2 and that was a flop. it was released during pandemic but a lot of other movies from wb were released during that time and they made money (like godzilla vs kong and dune.) black adam made more money than suicide squad2 but gunn gets a promotion. its all fukt
@@PhilMoskowitz GotG3 maybe more up to Marvel having shat the bed with a stead stream of MSheU stinkers. It did after all have good legs, which is more then can be said to all the other MSheU stinkers.
@@mudbutt234 Dune did not make money. The movie massively underperformed at the box office too. Because AT&T put WB's entire release schedule on HBO-Max simultaneously.
Now they had plenty of time to fix this movie I mean it's been in production for many many years they knew Ezra Miller's problems they had plenty of time to recast and redo things hell they already spent three hundred million on the film as it is after the fact so they would have probably ended up about that number but with a whole different person my vote would be for Grant Gustin and that's the person that is my flash
I honestly believe if the movie was any good, people would've gone to see it regardless of Ezra's actions. He's obviously damaged ticket sales to a degree, but the fact that the movie was in development hell for almost ten years with numerous reshoots and directors getting hired and fired was probably the biggest giveaway that the movie was never going to do well at the box office.
I saw the movie and it is good although you can see where it should have been better and where Gunn butchered the ending.
Movie would have been amazing if it just had better cgi and if Ezra was just normal
Hot take: If James Gunn wasn't brought into the picture, we may have had a better DCEU with Henry Cavil Superman, Ben Affleck Batman, and a recast Flash and Mera.
It may have been much better than what we are going to get considering Gunn thought it was funny to screw the ending of the Flash for a joke.
No because Gunn took over the plan was for Keaton to be the DCEU Batman, not Ben. Keaton would've then passed the torch to Batgirl and Supes would have passed the torch to Supergirl
I saw it opening day, and was initially surprised that the 4DX theatre I saw it in had hardly anybody in it. I'm not a diehard DC fanboy, but I know enough about these characters, and actually enjoyed The Flash. But I can understand how between bad CGI, certain expectations (especially considering the production issues and delays), Ezra Miller's offscreen shenanigans, knowing that the DCEU is being replaced by the DCU, and a string of bad-or-meh DC films, not to mention competition from Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse and even Transformers: Rise Of The Beasts, that maybe it shouldn't have been that much of a surprise that it had a weak opening.
Same here saw it opening say and there were only 11 people in my theater but did enjoy it.
DC is not panicking,Gunn is. I'm betting Zaslav is on the phone with Snyder,Cavill,Gadot,and Affleck.
Fingers crossed. Also with Keaton about a Beyond flick.