@@Boogie_the_cat It just astounds me they put out a few all-time great games, then sometime around 1997 Sega decided “let’s fuck this little blue prick’s shit up for the rest of time.”
The only problem with tone in Sonic is the love affair of 06. Apart from that, the shift to boost gameplay and the pure marketing idea of "classic Sonic" and injecting 2D and forced childish narrative in everything is just cringe, corpo trash.
I absolutely loved THU2 and still consider it one of the most fun games I've ever bought. I remember if making me fall in love with skateboarding and forever looking for something similar in the next skating games that would eventually come out like the Skate series but never found something so similarly stupid and crazy
With the resurgence of Fallout, I went back and restarted Fallout Shelter. I drew three pets, all cats, and had to give a shout out to my peeps from across the pond. They're named Ashton Catthews (obviously),Tiny Peter Pawstin, and Ben Clawtter. You guys rock, and thanks for bringing us joy. Keep up the great work!!!
Shin Megami Tensei IV Apocalypse. A series known for being a grim philosophical journey about humanity in a post-apocalyptic world where even your friends might stab you in the back for the sake of their ideals, being turned into a happy go lucky comedic adventure about the power of friendship overcomming evil against all odds. Oh, and a beach episode while they were at it. And the really baffling thing about it was that they kept the grim setting from the previous game. So some pretty severe tonal whiplash. Another one would be Drakengard 2. Take the dark and twisted original and turn it into a generic action rpg. Good thing the director of the first game came back to steer the series back on track.
@@dvdbox360 The only similarity is that they're over-the-shoulder 3rd person shooters. RE5 is a lot brighter, more bombastic, and more action-packed than 4, which still threads the needle on action and horror, with some schlocky humor to balance the tone.
Did they really make the claim that no major Sonic 3D title was seen as bad until 2006? Dude, Shadow the Hedgehog was RIGHT THERE. And people still debate about Sonic Heroes, so it was far from seen as universally good.
Bomberman Act Zero would have been a long forgotten and entirely ignored game that didn't hurt the series at all if it weren't for people saying hey remember this bad game that killed the Bomberman series?
'Metal Gear Solid' Me - What?? When did this series stray so badly? Maybe Metal Gear Acid, but that's still the only deckbuilder I've ever enjoyed. 'MGS - Survive' Me - ....... oh..... right....
A lot of people really loved THUG and actually got into TH games from there. But generally not the same people as those of us who consider 2 and 3 the best of the series.
I think Front Mission Evolved is much worse than Left Alive. I prefer Left Alive over Front Mission Evolved. Since Evolved's tone. Akin to quppy dialogue, overuse of explosions, and action over philosophical beliefs. Square is known for this like video games such as Chrono Trigger, Valkyrie Profile, Final Fantasy, and many more. Front Mission Evolved is not considered canon and does not belong to the entire Front Mission series. It should never be canon at all.
I completely understand where people are coming from with Sonic 06 and having human characters that just don't go with that universe but people always seem to overlook or just forget altogether that the original Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast featured realistically proportioned humans too? Admittedly only in the hub world, but the were still there none the less.
They kinda explained that in Sonic X (season 2 was adaptation of Adventure etc) he’d been transported to Earth…it wasn’t some fantasy land where they all came from like ‘06 Of course I don’t think that was explained in the games but still…I don’t think it’s the proportions that people take issue with but the ‘interspecies relationship’….which is kinda funny because nobody cared when it was a squirrel…
That's not exactly a good comparison; The humans in SA1 were nameless, unimportant background characters rendered in a simplistic anime style that generally fit the aesthetic of the series. If you look at their eyes, you'll notice that they even have the same elongated pupils as the anthro characters.
@@joshoshea3194 They look fine enough, especially with how their stupidly low polygon counts leave their finer anatomical details up for interpretation.
Final Fantasy 13 anyone? I mean, I personally didn't like FF9 at first. But get that it was popular and in hindsight it's a good game. If nowhere near my favourite FF game. FF12 took me the longest time to get into. But that's aged better than a lot of other games. And Fran is to this day my favourite FF playable character. (and this in a series that has Terra and Celes.) But FF13? It took me about 5 false starts to even get 2 hours into the game. Though I have since knuckled down and finished it a few times. (I even have all cheevs on the Steam version.)
The games not that bad, it's just fucking weird they made it a DMC reboot and not some AU elseworlds-esque spin-off (which would've softened the blow a bit and saved it's reputation imo).
Resident Evil started to go downhill from the 4th one when started to go more action oriented. Syndicate...come on...who really played the originals? Metal Gear Survive...we don't talk about it
THUG2 was fun af! PoP WW is hands down the best game in the franchise and the video's take is total bs, play the game ffs instead of parroting other people's opinions
THUG 2 is dated and aged like milk because of the Jackass style stuff being a fad? Maybe it seems that way to people who only liked skating games and didn’t pay attention to it other than those They still do stuff like that in skate videos to this day… There a whole VICE series where they do it ffs Edit: and while I may disagree with some entries you won me back with Front Mission Evolved….seriously, fuck that game
I wasn't a big fan of the Jak & Daxter games after the first. I wasn't a fan of the change from the Advance Wars games thru Dual Strike that they made in Days of Ruin. Metroid Other M is another misstep.
If Jak and Daxter isn't on here I don't know what to say. Edit: They actually used it as a good example. Yikes. There's some revisionist history for ya.
1. That is not the definition of jumping the shark. Jump in the shark is always been not a shift in tone but a clear sign that a series is in serious decline. That’s it 2. I really don’t get people objecting to inter species romance in a sonic game. I mean raise your hand here if you’ve played the Mass Effect games and you didn’t engage in inter species romance? I’ve never played sonic 06, but judging by the cut scenes it looks like it was just handled badly. But it’s not inherently bad to have inter species romance, at least when we’re talking about species who are on roughly equal ground, mentally.
No way you're comparing an M rated science fiction RPG that has multiple branching paths to a franchise that is primarily aimed at a younger audience and has only one path you can go down. Mass Effect let you have interspecies relationships but still generally humanoid partners. You probably like Bee Movie too and think the husband was in the wrong on that movie. Also this video isn't just pointing out things that change their tone lol. They are choosing the games that permanently left a stain on the franchise due to this tonal shift which had a negative effect down the road.
Mass Effect aliens: not real Hedgehogs; real Sonic Team may think bestiality is ok with Edge Hogs, but the rest of the sane world frowns upon such practice and then teaching said practice to kid gamers.
It occurs to me this entire list could just be examples from Sonic the Hedgehog.
@@Boogie_the_cat It just astounds me they put out a few all-time great games, then sometime around 1997 Sega decided “let’s fuck this little blue prick’s shit up for the rest of time.”
The only problem with tone in Sonic is the love affair of 06. Apart from that, the shift to boost gameplay and the pure marketing idea of "classic Sonic" and injecting 2D and forced childish narrative in everything is just cringe, corpo trash.
I absolutely loved THU2 and still consider it one of the most fun games I've ever bought. I remember if making me fall in love with skateboarding and forever looking for something similar in the next skating games that would eventually come out like the Skate series but never found something so similarly stupid and crazy
With the resurgence of Fallout, I went back and restarted Fallout Shelter. I drew three pets, all cats, and had to give a shout out to my peeps from across the pond. They're named Ashton Catthews (obviously),Tiny Peter Pawstin, and Ben Clawtter.
You guys rock, and thanks for bringing us joy. Keep up the great work!!!
I'm absolutely using "punching the boulder" in this exact context from now on.
That Elon Musk dig was brilliant, holy shit
Sonic fans are sure to defend their favorite series upon seeing the thumbnail. LOL
3:04 Sonic Galaxy confirmed!
Shin Megami Tensei IV Apocalypse. A series known for being a grim philosophical journey about humanity in a post-apocalyptic world where even your friends might stab you in the back for the sake of their ideals, being turned into a happy go lucky comedic adventure about the power of friendship overcomming evil against all odds. Oh, and a beach episode while they were at it. And the really baffling thing about it was that they kept the grim setting from the previous game. So some pretty severe tonal whiplash.
Another one would be Drakengard 2. Take the dark and twisted original and turn it into a generic action rpg. Good thing the director of the first game came back to steer the series back on track.
Well, Metroid the Other M could also earn a place in this list.....somewhere
I didn't mind re5 or 6 if you forget it's RE & judge it by it's own
@@dvdbox360 erm haven't played re4 so don't know lol
@@dvdbox360 The only similarity is that they're over-the-shoulder 3rd person shooters. RE5 is a lot brighter, more bombastic, and more action-packed than 4, which still threads the needle on action and horror, with some schlocky humor to balance the tone.
RE4 = Dawn of the Dead remake
RE5 = Predator 1
RE6 = Cloud Atlas
Bam WHAT?!?
THUG2 was more of a step back than a full misstep….Ride and Shred on the other hand🤮
And considering the whole Jackass thing pretty much got noticed and became a thing because of skate videos it made sense to bring it into the games
Agreed - the tone was a disaster but the gameplay was still there
It’s one of the few reasons I can replay that and remix so many years later, the gameplay was still super solid(especially with classic mode)
A good tonal change was Super Paper Mario
Did they really make the claim that no major Sonic 3D title was seen as bad until 2006? Dude, Shadow the Hedgehog was RIGHT THERE. And people still debate about Sonic Heroes, so it was far from seen as universally good.
The vid is about tonal shift, not divisive mainline (Heroes) or spin off games (Shadow The Edge Hog) by developers that affected the franchise.
Missing X-COM ! Remember Enforcer ?
Bomberman Act Zero would have been a long forgotten and entirely ignored game that didn't hurt the series at all if it weren't for people saying hey remember this bad game that killed the Bomberman series?
so it would have been forgotten if people had forgotten it. interesting
'Metal Gear Solid'
Me - What?? When did this series stray so badly? Maybe Metal Gear Acid, but that's still the only deckbuilder I've ever enjoyed.
'MGS - Survive'
Me - ....... oh..... right....
A lot of people really loved THUG and actually got into TH games from there. But generally not the same people as those of us who consider 2 and 3 the best of the series.
Pretty sure that Bomberman has been around longer than the examples you paired it with
People are still saying MGSV's story was incomplete even after its been confirmed like a million times it was by now smh
I think Front Mission Evolved is much worse than Left Alive. I prefer Left Alive over Front Mission Evolved. Since Evolved's tone. Akin to quppy dialogue, overuse of explosions, and action over philosophical beliefs. Square is known for this like video games such as Chrono Trigger, Valkyrie Profile, Final Fantasy, and many more. Front Mission Evolved is not considered canon and does not belong to the entire Front Mission series. It should never be canon at all.
RE5 is a fantastic co-op game
04:31: Correction, Ash. It's: "The Wheel of Loogies"!
Fallout 4 and/or 76 or not?
Still, Warrior Within is way better than Sands of Time and has deeper and funnier combat than any Assassin's Creed game will ever have.
I love Resident Evil 5 and 6. Fight me.
Why do people act like there weren't zombies in MGS5?
I love Underground 2. Lol
ah yes sonic 06 sheeeesh, great video ashton from glagow with love , me and the cats enjoy triple jump
No Tomb Raider? The Angel of Darkness killed Core Design and came dangerously close to killing the franchise outright.
Thats not tonal shift. Its more of bad game design and execution.
I usually agree wholeheartedly with you guys, but y'all were really reaching when you came for THUG2. Otherwise, solid video
Wario Within?
I completely understand where people are coming from with Sonic 06 and having human characters that just don't go with that universe but people always seem to overlook or just forget altogether that the original Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast featured realistically proportioned humans too? Admittedly only in the hub world, but the were still there none the less.
They kinda explained that in Sonic X (season 2 was adaptation of Adventure etc) he’d been transported to Earth…it wasn’t some fantasy land where they all came from like ‘06
Of course I don’t think that was explained in the games but still…I don’t think it’s the proportions that people take issue with but the ‘interspecies relationship’….which is kinda funny because nobody cared when it was a squirrel…
That's not exactly a good comparison; The humans in SA1 were nameless, unimportant background characters rendered in a simplistic anime style that generally fit the aesthetic of the series. If you look at their eyes, you'll notice that they even have the same elongated pupils as the anthro characters.
@@goatprince1 still humans that don't belong in the game.
@@joshoshea3194 They look fine enough, especially with how their stupidly low polygon counts leave their finer anatomical details up for interpretation.
Sonic 06 wanted to be a Mario 64 game with its hub world.
THUG2 was fun, though.
Final Fantasy 13 anyone? I mean, I personally didn't like FF9 at first. But get that it was popular and in hindsight it's a good game. If nowhere near my favourite FF game.
FF12 took me the longest time to get into. But that's aged better than a lot of other games. And Fran is to this day my favourite FF playable character. (and this in a series that has Terra and Celes.)
But FF13? It took me about 5 false starts to even get 2 hours into the game. Though I have since knuckled down and finished it a few times. (I even have all cheevs on the Steam version.)
This list was made for DmC: Devil May Cry.
The games not that bad, it's just fucking weird they made it a DMC reboot and not some AU elseworlds-esque spin-off (which would've softened the blow a bit and saved it's reputation imo).
@@icravedeath.1200 Yeah, the mechanics were fine. It’s just hard territory to walk in and reboot
Resident Evil started to go downhill from the 4th one when started to go more action oriented.
Syndicate...come on...who really played the originals?
Metal Gear Survive...we don't talk about it
I consider THUG2 one of my favourite games ever
I'd say both THUG games are decent games so shouldn't be included in the list
I’ll defend Tony Hawks Underground 2. It’s basically Jackass the game! It’s not a bad game by any measure.
Ya but the actual jackass game was
All games series!?
THUG2 was fun af! PoP WW is hands down the best game in the franchise and the video's take is total bs, play the game ffs instead of parroting other people's opinions
THUG2 was the sht what are you guys talking about??
Ashton please stop saying "prehaps", thanks
I personally found 'Bommerman' to be the biggest crime against the English language in this one.
@@frankbrodie5168I'm just imaging how laughably dumb someone making the "b" sound clearly in bomberman would actually sound pmsl
I don’t care, I still like THUG 2 😭
Bam Ma-Guerra 🤣....
THUG 2 is dated and aged like milk because of the Jackass style stuff being a fad? Maybe it seems that way to people who only liked skating games and didn’t pay attention to it other than those
They still do stuff like that in skate videos to this day…
There a whole VICE series where they do it ffs
Edit: and while I may disagree with some entries you won me back with Front Mission Evolved….seriously, fuck that game
GHOST BAGEL
I wasn't a big fan of the Jak & Daxter games after the first.
I wasn't a fan of the change from the Advance Wars games thru Dual Strike that they made in Days of Ruin.
Metroid Other M is another misstep.
Ma-ghe-ra?
How hard is it for English people to just pronounce things correctly? I physically cringed at each margera
If Jak and Daxter isn't on here I don't know what to say.
Edit: They actually used it as a good example. Yikes. There's some revisionist history for ya.
Lost Frontier is a decent return to something more like Jak 1.
Wait, they have a video about good ones?
@@napoleonfeanor No, it's mentioned in the intro to this vid.
Tonal? What does that mean?
Having to do with the tone.
1. That is not the definition of jumping the shark. Jump in the shark is always been not a shift in tone but a clear sign that a series is in serious decline. That’s it
2. I really don’t get people objecting to inter species romance in a sonic game. I mean raise your hand here if you’ve played the Mass Effect games and you didn’t engage in inter species romance? I’ve never played sonic 06, but judging by the cut scenes it looks like it was just handled badly. But it’s not inherently bad to have inter species romance, at least when we’re talking about species who are on roughly equal ground, mentally.
No way you're comparing an M rated science fiction RPG that has multiple branching paths to a franchise that is primarily aimed at a younger audience and has only one path you can go down. Mass Effect let you have interspecies relationships but still generally humanoid partners. You probably like Bee Movie too and think the husband was in the wrong on that movie.
Also this video isn't just pointing out things that change their tone lol. They are choosing the games that permanently left a stain on the franchise due to this tonal shift which had a negative effect down the road.
Mass Effect aliens: not real
Hedgehogs; real
Sonic Team may think bestiality is ok with Edge Hogs, but the rest of the sane world frowns upon such practice and then teaching said practice to kid gamers.
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first view - fallen off