As a young FO, 30 years ago, I felt like it was my duty to be early to the airplane, get as much done as possible, so the Captain needed to do as little as possible. If he wanted to stroll in a little late, I felt like it was his parogative. He was the Captain.. Today, these new FO's are the last to show up to the plane, they wear NorthFace jackets instead of the their uniform coat or bazer, with a backpack slung over their shoulder. Like they're so cool and so above trying to be professional. And then look at the Captain like he should have everything done for them. Then get out their cellphone and start texting or posting to facebook. Its pathetic. They've grown up in a world where there was no responsibility nor accountability for anything. No requirement to measure up to anyone's expectations and certainly no consequenses.
My hat's off to all the regional Captains that get a new hire 1500 hr Cessna driver for an FO. They have one of the the toughest jobs out there: Acting as Captain AND flight instructing. You should be getting Check Airman's pay. As a mainline senior Captain, I have the great fortune of flying with senior FO's. Sometimes I fly with a new hire. But even they have been regional Captains or military Aircraft Commanders with vast experience, and they make my job easy. To all my FO's, thank you. To all you future FO's, don't be timid. You're the Captain's greatest asset. Captains can screw things up, and it's your job to not let that happen. Your job is to keep the Captain out of trouble. The Captain's job is to buy you beer. Single pilot airliners? Now that's funny. Awesome Cub videos. Keep it up. BC Cessna 195B
tough seat to be in (yours) in that situation. I was a check airman at Republic in my last years there and found that I had to create a firm position. I wanted to be “the cool guy” but that doesn’t work with a 24 year old that’s pretty weak with no experience, but has been told how amazing they are for their whole 30 second career. If they aren’t humble then they need to be humbled bc they can’t figure it out on their own. Even basic conversations about professional introductions were necessary. Wearing air pods at the gate isn’t a good look… but by the end they were a better pilot for it. It’s sad that has to be done, the new ones don’t have much perspective because they didn’t have to make any real sacrifices. Like my uncle on the wife’s side worked 28 years as a Dash 8 pilot (26 yrs) as a CA, and never broke 40k a year
Bang on. I work in the initial training department at a major airline and the low level of experience we are currently hiring is unprecedented. Your attitude is the only thing that sets you apart from other low experience pilots.
Couldn’t agree more with everything you said. I had, 20 years ago, that kind of career progression and I’m very grateful... I’m a TRI in the A320 now and share the same thoughts with my students. Also, I built and fly a RV-7 (taildragger, of course…), and also for me, it makes me appreciate more the A320… and the A320 makes me appreciate more the RV-7… Greetings from Chile!
Love the insight! Working on my PPL right now and this seems like it’s a ways down the road but it’s great to keep these things in mind! Thanks for posting
I’m reading “Fate is the Hunter” by Ernest Gann rn. That is another great resource for anyone interested in the art of being a teachable FO. An added perk - his writing style is funny as hell during certain excerpts. I appreciate the video Joe, I’ll be starting in my first crewed environment this Wednesday. Humble & approachable is the goal. One of my old students said it best - “if you’re not learning every day you’re either dead or just not paying attention.”
Excellent; I probably would not have "found" you on TH-cam without the Cub. My Cub has been a challenge and will continue to be so. My first airplane was a 1956 Cessna 172. 1being a geek I liked the instruments available but today I enjoy the four instruments, the airspeed, the altitude, the Tach and my sensitive Butt.
About a year ago I flew with a brand new F/O who had a laid-back demeanor and a Mathew McConaughey swagger. We eventually got to discussing professionalism. His comment floored me. He said his goal was to be the least professional professional captain. Seizing the mentorship moment I said that I didn’t think that was an enviable goal and that his perspective would probably change over time and with experience. He’s probably a captain by now and mentoring others even less experienced than he.
Thank you so much for this! Wanting to get into the corporate flying and learning some nice tips from you. I am starting out my flight training in the j3 cub. Great channel!
I can’t imagine being a fairly new FO and brushing off what a seasoned captain is suggesting. I may not agree with it (yet). But it’s easy to STFU and listen. Do what they say and see if that works. If so then change how you do things. If not, then you tried it at least.
@@Bananasssssssss Wow. Just wow. I hate to generalize, but is it often associated with age? Do you have 30 and 40 year old FO’s acting that way? I’m 41 and can’t imagine telling a captain “It’s fine dude” 😂
always funny, how you guys in america have a thing with ur 1500 hours, here in swiss you do ppl, cpl, multi engine and multi crew, night rating atpl(frozen) and then with around 400 hours, you apply at the airline, get hired, do your sim training, landing training and then ur flying a airbus with 500 hours. at 1500 hours your atpl gets "unfrozen"
Yup. Exactly. We hired a pilot with zero swept wing time - their fist jet is the 767. They did awesome, btw. Because they had about 1500 in a 1900C, in AK.
It's really a shame to hear that this is a problem. There are plenty of people around the world who would kill to have that kind of opportunity; disappointing that some have access to an experienced mentor sitting right beside them and choose not to take or even consider their advice.
Awesome video, thanks for the advice. What airport are you based out of for the airlines? I'm from monmouth county and curious what kind of options you have for selecting a home base.
No kidding?, lol. I grew up in Freehold. I got my PPL out of KBLM, currently based out of ACY but NJ/NY has EWR, PHL, LGA, & JFK so you can work for pretty much any airline
@@Bananasssssssss that’s awesome yeah I’m from Middletown. Currently in flight school in montana working on commercial. My goal is to be based out of New Jersey though. Long way to go though, thanks for the advice!
Any advice for someone who is really enjoying teaching, and loves stick and rudder? Airlines or not? I’m leaning towards not, maybe charter for a few years.
It's tough Because the flying that pays the most is usually the most boring, lol. Charter/Corporate depends significantly on which company your work for. I have a few friends who fly for a Large Pharma company and it's great and pays well, but those jobs are few and far between. I would say get on with an airline and get into the training department.
@@Bananasssssssss Even it's not late to getting in airlines too? Because I see some of my colleagues are just 20, 21 about to get thier CPL. I did a Engineering degree and worked for sometime, so this makes me to think am too late or left behind.
Pilots now getting hired at 1500 to an LCC posting about the "grind" and "sacrifice" it took over the last 1.5 years instructing. Their captains just smile and nod after doing 4 years of night cargo 6 days a week to get hired at American eagle and make 24k/yr
$13.56/hr to start on the Saab in 1994. I retired from my major airline early, found out retirement is a lot more boring than I’d hoped. Took a direct entry CA job to finish out my last few years, and have to admit, while most FOs are eager to learn, some have this “it’s total b.s. for us to take 5 to 6 years to flow to AA,” mentality that leaves me shaking my head. I had 15 years as a regional pilot before I got my major job. The new generation doesn’t seem to realize there is more to being a professional airline pilot than good stick and rudder, or systems knowledge. There is some etiquette, philosophy, and manners, that are learned (hopefully) with time and experience.
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As a young FO, 30 years ago, I felt like it was my duty to be early to the airplane, get as much done as possible, so the Captain needed to do as little as possible. If he wanted to stroll in a little late, I felt like it was his parogative. He was the Captain..
Today, these new FO's are the last to show up to the plane, they wear NorthFace jackets instead of the their uniform coat or bazer, with a backpack slung over their shoulder. Like they're so cool and so above trying to be professional. And then look at the Captain like he should have everything done for them.
Then get out their cellphone and start texting or posting to facebook. Its pathetic.
They've grown up in a world where there was no responsibility nor accountability for anything. No requirement to measure up to anyone's expectations and certainly no consequenses.
My hat's off to all the regional Captains that get a new hire 1500 hr Cessna driver for an FO. They have one of the the toughest jobs out there: Acting as Captain AND flight instructing. You should be getting Check Airman's pay. As a mainline senior Captain, I have the great fortune of flying with senior FO's. Sometimes I fly with a new hire. But even they have been regional Captains or military Aircraft Commanders with vast experience, and they make my job easy. To all my FO's, thank you. To all you future FO's, don't be timid. You're the Captain's greatest asset. Captains can screw things up, and it's your job to not let that happen. Your job is to keep the Captain out of trouble. The Captain's job is to buy you beer. Single pilot airliners? Now that's funny.
Awesome Cub videos. Keep it up.
BC
Cessna 195B
Talk about relief when I see a 3+ year F/O on my pairing 😂
…or join the military…for 10 years….Great view from the Trenches Joe!
Keep us posted! Jb.
tough seat to be in (yours) in that situation. I was a check airman at Republic in my last years there and found that I had to create a firm position. I wanted to be “the cool guy” but that doesn’t work with a 24 year old that’s pretty weak with no experience, but has been told how amazing they are for their whole 30 second career. If they aren’t humble then they need to be humbled bc they can’t figure it out on their own. Even basic conversations about professional introductions were necessary. Wearing air pods at the gate isn’t a good look… but by the end they were a better pilot for it. It’s sad that has to be done, the new ones don’t have much perspective because they didn’t have to make any real sacrifices. Like my uncle on the wife’s side worked 28 years as a Dash 8 pilot (26 yrs) as a CA, and never broke 40k a year
Absolutely nailed it. And every day I get why more and more near retirement CAs are so completely fed up, lol
@@Bananasssssssss I think it’s gonna get worse for you. Cub therapy required
Bang on. I work in the initial training department at a major airline and the low level of experience we are currently hiring is unprecedented. Your attitude is the only thing that sets you apart from other low experience pilots.
Couldn’t agree more with everything you said. I had, 20 years ago, that kind of career progression and I’m very grateful... I’m a TRI in the A320 now and share the same thoughts with my students. Also, I built and fly a RV-7 (taildragger, of course…), and also for me, it makes me appreciate more the A320… and the A320 makes me appreciate more the RV-7… Greetings from Chile!
Love the insight! Working on my PPL right now and this seems like it’s a ways down the road but it’s great to keep these things in mind! Thanks for posting
Happens quickly! Believe me
This is great advice for any career
Great advice all around 👍
Great advice! Thanks for sharing. I really enjoy your Cub videos.
Thanks!
I’m reading “Fate is the Hunter” by Ernest Gann rn. That is another great resource for anyone interested in the art of being a teachable FO. An added perk - his writing style is funny as hell during certain excerpts.
I appreciate the video Joe, I’ll be starting in my first crewed environment this Wednesday. Humble & approachable is the goal. One of my old students said it best - “if you’re not learning every day you’re either dead or just not paying attention.”
Fantastic Book! and good luck on Wednesday! have fun
Excellent; I probably would not have "found" you on TH-cam without the Cub. My Cub has been a challenge and will continue to be so. My first airplane was a 1956 Cessna 172. 1being a geek I liked the instruments available but today I enjoy the four instruments, the airspeed, the altitude, the Tach and my sensitive Butt.
“that is more a supply & demand issue than your skill” 🎯🎯🎯
About a year ago I flew with a brand new F/O who had a laid-back demeanor and a Mathew McConaughey swagger. We eventually got to discussing professionalism. His comment floored me. He said his goal was to be the least professional professional captain. Seizing the mentorship moment I said that I didn’t think that was an enviable goal and that his perspective would probably change over time and with experience. He’s probably a captain by now and mentoring others even less experienced than he.
It’s tough because I try to be laid back and relaxed but some F/Os take that as an Ok to not be Professional, frustrating
Thank you so much for this! Wanting to get into the corporate flying and learning some nice tips from you. I am starting out my flight training in the j3 cub. Great channel!
Thanks! And glad to hear it! You’ll love it
Enjoyed this one. Thanks for the advice.
Great work man!
Appreciate it!
More of this please.
I can’t imagine being a fairly new FO and brushing off what a seasoned captain is suggesting. I may not agree with it (yet). But it’s easy to STFU and listen. Do what they say and see if that works. If so then change how you do things. If not, then you tried it at least.
Exactly. I had an F/O once try and descend at 265kts below 10,000 and when I brought it up he said “meh, it’s fine dude” lol. Was blown away
@@Bananasssssssss Wow. Just wow. I hate to generalize, but is it often associated with age? Do you have 30 and 40 year old FO’s acting that way? I’m 41 and can’t imagine telling a captain “It’s fine dude” 😂
@@VictoryAviation definitely age, lol
Great video thanks
Very well said
Well said.
Kirk was probably upset when sulu got bumped up to admiral
Well said, Joe!
Thanks bud!
always funny, how you guys in america have a thing with ur 1500 hours, here in swiss you do ppl, cpl, multi engine and multi crew, night rating atpl(frozen) and then with around 400 hours, you apply at the airline, get hired, do your sim training, landing training and then ur flying a airbus with 500 hours. at 1500 hours your atpl gets "unfrozen"
Yup. Exactly. We hired a pilot with zero swept wing time - their fist jet is the 767. They did awesome, btw. Because they had about 1500 in a 1900C, in AK.
It's really a shame to hear that this is a problem. There are plenty of people around the world who would kill to have that kind of opportunity; disappointing that some have access to an experienced mentor sitting right beside them and choose not to take or even consider their advice.
Nobody flies sideways anymore...
Awesome video, thanks for the advice. What airport are you based out of for the airlines? I'm from monmouth county and curious what kind of options you have for selecting a home base.
No kidding?, lol. I grew up in Freehold. I got my PPL out of KBLM, currently based out of ACY but NJ/NY has EWR, PHL, LGA, & JFK so you can work for pretty much any airline
@@Bananasssssssss that’s awesome yeah I’m from Middletown. Currently in flight school in montana working on commercial. My goal is to be based out of New Jersey though. Long way to go though, thanks for the advice!
EWR or PHL
Great Information Joe, Be Honest I did not know you were a Captain 😃
Only at work, Wife is Captain at home 😂
more airline talks! new guy here
Intentionally avoiding a go around for passengers and money?? Spirit Airlines mindset
Good job.
Where do you keep your Cub? (Home base)
Flying W
Any advice for someone who is really enjoying teaching, and loves stick and rudder? Airlines or not? I’m leaning towards not, maybe charter for a few years.
It's tough Because the flying that pays the most is usually the most boring, lol. Charter/Corporate depends significantly on which company your work for. I have a few friends who fly for a Large Pharma company and it's great and pays well, but those jobs are few and far between. I would say get on with an airline and get into the training department.
Hello captain! Am 27y/o pursuing my multi engine IF, I'll be 28 once I finish, is it too late to finish?
Nope, not even close! I’ve flown with people who started their first flight lesson at 50
@@Bananasssssssss Even it's not late to getting in airlines too? Because I see some of my colleagues are just 20, 21 about to get thier CPL. I did a Engineering degree and worked for sometime, so this makes me to think am too late or left behind.
@@Listen321 not even anywhere close to being too late
@@Bananasssssssss Thanks for the reply sir! Looking for more content from you🙏
@@Listen321 absolutely!
Pilots now getting hired at 1500 to an LCC posting about the "grind" and "sacrifice" it took over the last 1.5 years instructing. Their captains just smile and nod after doing 4 years of night cargo 6 days a week to get hired at American eagle and make 24k/yr
Yessir! I thought I had it Good back in 2004 flying a SAAB for $16/hr 😂
$13.56/hr to start on the Saab in 1994. I retired from my major airline early, found out retirement is a lot more boring than I’d hoped. Took a direct entry CA job to finish out my last few years, and have to admit, while most FOs are eager to learn, some have this “it’s total b.s. for us to take 5 to 6 years to flow to AA,” mentality that leaves me shaking my head. I had 15 years as a regional pilot before I got my major job. The new generation doesn’t seem to realize there is more to being a professional airline pilot than good stick and rudder, or systems knowledge. There is some etiquette, philosophy, and manners, that are learned (hopefully) with time and experience.
@@bootsbrigade73r respect!
Are companies like Piedmont and Trans State, Mesa or Republic good places to start a career ??
Yeah they are (were, TSA isn’t around anymore) the pretty traditional Route.
@@BananasssssssssRIP TSA