He can yell at it all day just know that it don’t have feelings and it don’t feel sorry for him at all 😂I swear he’s literally asking for this shit every time😂
@@TeamOdiffat Just a sponsor, afaik every team makes their own steering wheel, with some standardized components; ex: Mclaren makes the screens for every team.
Casey's girlfriend: hands him a present 🎁 Casey: Wow, thank you so much. I hand Casey a present 🎁 Casey: OMFG a custom steering wheel with full tactile feel!? Bro, how did you know!?
Certainly not a tiny feature. You're always gonna have your hands on the steering wheel, it's one of the most important things in the interior. And you never know if he's gonna drive/buy it, and fix your English.
Nice demonstration. But in the future: You're supposed to make burnout sounds when correcting fake over-steer. It makes the demonstration a lot more exciting.
I HATE that corvettes have become a status symbol for douchebags and a toy for old farts on their deathbed to go fast for no reason. I'm 16 and bought a silver 78 corvette, pouring my heart and soul into the fucker and then I see the people who fit the stereotypes and it hurts me to know That that's what they think the corvette is
I have a flat bottom steering wheel and it’s a huge issue when I have to catch the car in overseer situations. You just grab thin air expecting to grab the steering wheel and it’s sooo dangerous. Can’t imagine how bad is it going to be with the corvette.
PeRX I got used to it in normal driving conditions, also driving fast in a controlled manner is also fine. It’s only an issue for me when you are trying to catch an unexpected slide, like a wet intersection. Otherwise you don’t really touch that part of the wheel.
Bro please help these manufacturers design a tactile paddle. I'm so glad you mentioned that! Porsche, McLaren, Alfa Romeo, and Ferrari are some of the few I've driven who get the tactile shift feel of a paddle correct. If you're going to ditch the manual at least give us some crispy paddle shifters!
Literally. I had 2 different GM vehicles and both the dashes cracked all over within 5 years. The dash was always conditioned with good quality products and never exposed to extreme UV. GM knew it was a problem and didn’t do a thing about it except offer me 2k off another vehicle. Not to mention my many other problems. Traded in my last GM product and got me a Jeep. 50k miles so far and not one problem and it’s the most fun vehicle I’ve ever owned. Never looking back at anything GM
1. does it have very large/deep indentations that allow you to wrap the steering wheel at 9 & 3? If not then yes it's poorly designed 2. the square portion is never an issue if the steering goes to full lock without crossing your arms. If the ford gt requires you to cross your arms then yes it's a poor design.
InTheZone I think you’re confusing the C8 street machine with the C8.R race car. Hell if you’re comparing it to a race car nothing about it would pass tech inspection. A blaring omission would be a roll cage. I don’t think the average consumer gives a damn how their thumbs fit the steering wheel.
@@saturndesigns2339 Does it matter? If you're modding the car, the steering wheel will probably be swapped out for a different one such as a detachable wheel.
YES!!! A huge gripe I have had for YEARS!!! Why is it so hard to make a steering wheel for performance driving?? Starting with hands at 9 & 3 ... DON"T PUT THE SPOKES THERE!!! ... isn't that obvious?? I've raced Karts for decades, and my favorite kart steering wheels have 3 spokes at Noon, 8, and 4. Why doesn't every performance car have that too?
Dong put spokes at 9/3? The race wheels he said were great ergonomically had spokes at 9/3. The difference is that those steering wheels don't have airbags
You can definitely design a great steering wheel with spokes at 9&3, one which still also has great ergonomics held near 9&3; have tried plenty of steering wheels as such
Hello friends, I thought it important to make an intelligent video to back up my strong opinion on the new Corvette design failure. Hope you get something out of it and have a great day!
Every modern Chevy car I’ve driven has had an awful interior design from a human factors standpoint. The Chevy Cruze has the same wheel design that you are describing. It’s horrendous and impossible to manage. We don’t even have to get into the interior buttons which have all be “re-imagined” by Chevy to be in the worst positions and the logos of standard operating gear are sometimes redesigned. Be like Toyota. They have had the cruise control stalk for over 30 years because it works and you don’t have to change it. And if I get into another Toyota I can always actuate cruise control because it’s always the same. I can always actuate the wipers and the headlights. It’s all consistent. Lots of companies are trying to push the design boundaries by re-designing the human-machine interface and it doesn’t work.
Regarding the paddles, I actually thought the same thing about the C7 corvette, and I completely agree with you on the C8 corvette. Since we’re on the topic, is there any performance benefit from flattening any part of the steering wheel?
Not in a street car. ESPECIALLY in a steering rack ratio where there are numerous turns lock to lock. That is a race car thing only for rack ratios where you don't have to take your hands off 9/3 positions. It is bad in a street car. Period.
Such a weird thing, I study Industrial product design and one of our classes is ergonomics and specifically teaches us to think about how things are held!
Damn you're killing my plan to get rich by selling 3D printed steering wheels and metal paddle replacements that still use all the stock radio controls. LMAO!
Guessing the very old 10/2 came from the old tanks people drove back in the day without power steering. You definitely needed the extra leverage for grandma...
I always used a "necker's knob", those old tanks were usually 6+ turns lock-lock. Doing sharp turns at speed REALLY kept you focused on your driving! AHH the good old days....
I feel like I learned a lot. Who knew there was so much science and ergonomic considerations for sports car steering wheels. The steering wheel in my 89 Mercedes 420 is huge and I love it. Thanks Casey
This was really interesting. Could you do a video like this for every car part? What makes a good racing seat, or a perfect shift knob, or tire, etc. I would watch them all.
What you talk about in the video makes 100% sense. The problem with this video is that most individuals who get luxury/expensive cars don't get them to race or track them, they get them as status symbols for their wealth. The average person doesn't care about the ergonomics of the steering wheel, engineering of the car, etc. Most people purchase nice cars to either show it off or want to put their foot on the throttle and go fast from time to time. The engineers and designers making these cars know 100% what there doing, they don't appeal to the minority of people like you who are super interested in the entirety of how the car works and performs, but to appeal to the majority that want style , tech and features.
So, theres exotic models for looks driven by rappers, women, and middle aged men, and then theres ones for performance, cherished by drivers, racers, speed freaks. Most try to do both a little, but really cater mostly to one camp, usually as a result of risk tolerance and pefrence of the owner. In this case the owner is a soulless comglomerate, run by boomers assisted by a "artsy types" who they tolerate in the design building, with low risk tolerance on an already low margin product.
@@dirtracer21d - I live in Michigan but up here they are between $37k and $41k. I bought it from Browns Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram in Sterling Virginia which is west of Washington DC. Took a flight Oct 27th on Sunday afternoon, the flight delayed and they even stayed past hours to close the deal. Great buying experience.
part of it, imo, is the simple fact 99% of drivers have no clue how to properly drive. Not saying I do either but at least I hold the wheel as proper as I can, don't text or use my phone, eat, drink, drive with tunnel vision, left lane hog, etc. But these companies are designing these vehicles for your casual driver. The guy just hops in his car and drives as a tool. A boring task they need to deal with to get from point A to B. Not driving because it's enjoyable. Same reason the manual is dying imo. Whats funny is I've hated most steering wheels I've had in my cars but couldn't figure out quite why that was. Simple stupid, yes, most cars have several electronics attached now so there's that bulking piece of plastic at 3 & 9....
watched this video with my Logitech g920 in front of me, realised just how good a $350 sim wheel is compared to a real car. Paddles in a good place and your whole hand can grip the wheel comfortably with alright button placement also
There are cheaper sportscars that have better steering wheels than that C8 lol. Heck probably grocery getters too. It should be ergonomic, that's what matters.
Chevy salesmen: the new corvette steering wheel is optimized for road handling and ease to shift the paddle shifters Old man buying the car: does it get the oldies channel?
&Dennis Snider the irony there is that GM is clearly looking for the Corvette to appeal to a younger demographic with this huge departure from what was offered before. What GM doesn’t realize however is that millennial fuckers on the whole don’t have any money. So it’s still going to be the older men buying these, if the unconventional features don’t turn them completely off.
@@mr.butterworth "So it’s still going to be the older men buying these" And the small handful of millennials who managed to pull themselves out of the mud, no thanks to said older men.
Unfortunately, It's always easier to complain. Any drive that could have gone into designing that wheel was vented out in this video... its like knocking the head off a fire extinguisher. 😬
@@maxlombardo2702 I looked at your reply and thought about my answer. I'll provide two versions. 1. In the event of a fire, knocking the head off a fire extinguisher would be less effective compared to controlling the output via the trigger and nozzle. I was mentioning this, because the creator of this video went quite a while giving potential useful/creative energy into complaining. 2. Everybody wanna see me break an egg Well I don’t, But I like fried rice, And I ain't got lice. Ching chow woo ching wang woo wice That ain’t nice.
The C8 steering wheel looks like a rectangle laying brick 🧱. The C8 design is so weird. IT has a Camaro rear end and a outdated 1990’s front end. That C8 needed a redesign when it launched in 2020. GM CEO Mary is SAD
Absolutely true, it can as bad as he said and everything Casey said was on point. It is a steering wheel designed by committee, as most modern wheels are. When you have a team of people designing for commuter cars, shart utility vehicles, and fleet vehicles and you have a further mandate for a consistent design language you get design carry-over, group think, familiarity with convention, collective imposed selective self muteism, and budget based decisions. I know for a fact that the Cruze and the Camaro had interchangeable steering wheel components, hell it may have been the same structure just different wrapping, buttons, or wiring harness but I can't remember to say for sure. What I can say for sure is that its worse than the Logitech g5 steering wheel I have for video games, even with an airbag.
I honestly really like the idea of a one spoke steering wheel like the ones found in old citroens, you can wrap your hands around them entirely, get better visibility of the gauge cluster when the steering wheel is turned (because there are no side spokes) and still use 9-3.
They should’ve made a C8.R inspired steering wheel. Assuming the C8.R has a somewhat similar wheel like the C7.R. Great video, and I totally agree with you.
so lefty, were not talking about throwing an 80’s Momo in there. The aftermarket makes steering wheels that are just the outer ring and you retain the rest of the wheel.
I bet when they come out carbontastic will be making one, I think he said in a dde video that they use the stock rings to make their wheels, they’ve done Ferrari and Lamborghini steering wheels with shift lights
I just bought a 2019 Camaro convertible, and the salesman was telling me that I'm lucky, as it comes with the same steering wheel as the Corvette. It is going to take some getting used to, and I would happily switch, if a reasonably priced alternative shows up.
Casey, just found your videos this morning I really enjoy them. I agree with you about the C8 steering wheel especially it not being round. However I also understand why some of the design is like it is. I am a recently retired automotive engineer and spent my last 10 years working on the design and release of steering wheel switches for one of the big 3. I have an idea why the spokes and switches on the C8 steering wheel are packaged where they are and I am sure it was dictated by packaging space/feasibility and also cost. This steering wheel definitely does not work for sport driving or racing and that is because it was designed for the majority of the drivers that will buy a C8. Those C8 buyers will use the car as a daily pleasure vehicle and will never do any sport driving or racing in the car. Based on your comment about making your own C8 steering wheel I think it would be a great idea if you could start a company to make race inspired and designed aftermarket replacement steering wheels for current vehicles that would be compatible with the vehicle’s OEM electrical architecture and airbag. As for why the C8 wheel is not round you need to watch the TH-cam video "2020 Corvette Chief Engineer Talks C8 Stingray - Autoline After Hours 489" as the C8 Executive Chief Engineer Tadge Juechter talks about the car. In the video Tadge addresses the C8 steering wheel design and he also addresses why the C8 has no manual transmission. The steering wheel discussion starts at time is (21:20) and the transmission is discussion is at time (48:35). "2020 Corvette Chief Engineer Talks C8 Stingray - Autoline After Hours 489" th-cam.com/video/BBfXm1Yczdo/w-d-xo.html&feature=emb_logo
I dont want the c8, it's cool being m/rear and all, but that steering wheel, and with pretty much all new vehicles come with display screens, arcade style steering wheel, and other pointless features, it just takes away from the enjoyment of driving a sports car. My celica, for example has an instrument panel, a stereo, a steering wheel with no buttons. Perfect.
I understand your feelings. There is nothing more frustrating than witnessing or experiencing the incompetence of designers ruining what has already been proven to be right in the past.
Thanks for sharing. I investigated different hand positions after an insurance company recommended the 4-8 position. "Less chance to break your thumbs if the airbag deploys". Not a major problem for me since I have a normal car, but I still turn off all electronics when driving on wet ice. I guess that is the same as driving with 800 hp in dry conditions.
This can be a hazard really You will not be able to fully grip the stirring wheel They could potentially loose millions from this Thank you for the alert
Question: do you really get that "tactile feeling" on an electronic steering wheel in modern sports car ? (I haven't driven one so idk) In a bit older stuff you have hydraulics so you do absolutely feel everything, but on electric ones I doubt simulation is that precise, so that's why they can get away with worse designs maybe ? (Correct me someone if I'm wrong)
Speaking from my current ride (2016 Mustang GT) that has electric steering, it's not as clear as the old hydro days but there is communication in the wheel. Depending on how they tune it, at minimum you'll get tire load. Better systems will give road undulations, but the road surface type will rarely get to you. If you've driven 90s German sports cars or any motorcycle, you'll know what I'm on about. Closest analogy I can give is listening to the exhaust of a N/A V8 and a turbo V8. Both have a nice burble at idle and cruising speed, and you won't notice most days. When you lay into the throttle, however, there's a fine musical quality that is missing from the turbo V8. A muted turbo rasp that on the N/A exhaust would be wailing off walls, loudness volumes being equal. I'm not a fan of Ford's or Mercedes's implementation (even with their driving modes set to sportiest). Modern Porsche and GM are reported to be the leaders in electric feedback, but I can't confirm.
Dude you cannot be serious!!! The square steering wheel is nothing new. Ferrari uses them in a lot of their street cars. The latter C7 Corvettes use them on the bottom. Had you actually owned or driven a C7 with the round steering wheel you would completely understand why Chevy went into this direction. People with thick thighs find it difficult to get in and out of the C7. The flat button steering wheel solved this. The C8 top is for max driver vision. I think your issue is false and very contrived. You didn't sit on any C8 design Engineering team or design this car. Stop the foolishness...
Lmao no hate towards the channel. But I love it when people complain about poor design on American cars like Chevy, Ford, Tesla, etc. When poor design is literally what American cars are known for. You would neber ever see a fuck up like this on a German or European car. Just sayin 🤷♂️
Today the C8 should be classed as a very capable sportscar. 20 years ago it absolutely would have been a full on supercar. I do think you're probably overreacting to the wheel though, it can't possibly have got through all the development and testing and ended up being as you seem to put it, unusable. I haven't touched a C8 steering wheel myself but logically it can't be as much of a disaster as you think.
@Simon Coles --- Absolutely it can as bad as he said and everything Casey said was on point. It is a steering wheel designed by committee, as most modern wheels are. When you have a team of people designing for commuter cars, shart utility vehicles, and fleet vehicles and you have a further mandate for a consistent design language you get design carry-over, group think, familiarity with convention, collective imposed selective self muteism, and budget based decisions. I know for a fact that the Cruze and the Camaro had interchangeable steering wheel components, hell it may have been the same structure just different wrapping, buttons, or wiring harness but I can't remember to say for sure. What I can say for sure is that its worse than the Logitech g5 steering wheel I have for video games, even with an airbag.
I could be wrong, but I think what hes trying to say is we should be hold it at 9-3 for that tactile feel... TBH though that Corvette wheel would piss me off, and I really dont think wheels should be square on top. I understand on the bottom for that leg clearance, but it should be a smooth 270 degree curve at the least. My RX7 FD the stock wheel is far to big, so swapped it out for a Momo Jet which has fantastic ergonomics. Cant stand uncomfortable steering or pedal/shifter placement.
Reminds me of the Austin Allegro steering wheel back in the 1970s. (If you're not British, you won't know.) When the prototype Allegro was assembled, it was discovered the wheel obstructed the view of the instruments but it was too late to modify the design of the instrument panel. So it was decided to make a square wheel instead.
a super car isn't just performance, its why the last gen NSX wasn't a super car even though it had the shape and performance it lacked the tech and luxury options being offered as standard on super cars.
so, I have been wnating to track my car but I also still want to daily it, and I was thinking of getting an aftermarket steering wheel with the seat harnesses, is that worth it?
I tend to drive at 9-3, but I've found that my wrists don't turn enough to take advantage of the amount of arm clearance I get with that. I end up having to take the lower hand off the wheel at about 160 degrees anyway.
This is the only reason I don't swap my '05 a4 B6 wheel for the b7 despite it being pretty plus features. My gf's car is an '07 b7 and beside the paddles, the 9-3 position just feels off with the horizontal "spokes" in the way
Man yells at a wheel for 20 minutes
10/10 would watch again.
Ibrahim Mohsin 20/10 would watch with the neighbor’s labradoodle again.
He can yell at it all day just know that it don’t have feelings and it don’t feel sorry for him at all 😂I swear he’s literally asking for this shit every time😂
I prefer to think of it as ranting against those who designed such a thing. >:}
The guy has a jet plane and dream cars while you have a keyboard. Try to learn something.
So clearly GM knows exactly who buys the corvette
Yes, Absolutely....
It the Middle-Aged Bald Guy that drives with the 10 - 2 Hands Placement on steering wheel.
That moment when Logitech makes better steering wheels then a car company.
True my G25 is really comfortable xd
Lmao true. Doesn’t Logitech makes wheels for McLaren f1 car or is it just a sponsor maybe
@@TeamOdiffat Just a sponsor, afaik every team makes their own steering wheel, with some standardized components; ex: Mclaren makes the screens for every team.
G27 wheel ticks all the boxes he outlined
@@lucaskoukouvaos2589only gripe is it's a bit small tho
I had no idea Matt Damon was so passionate about steering wheels...
He looks nothing like Matt Damon...?
I see it at some angles ig
I mean his logo is a freaking steering wheel
Charles in the intro with the cowboy hat he resembles Damon when he played Shelby, But no not a dead ringer.
I always thought Jeffrey Donovan was a better match.
*Casey’s’s wife/gf walks into him pretending to be driving with a steering wheel and swivel chair.
“I can explain.”
Weston White hahahahah! Like Tony Stark. :)
" Lets face it. This is not the worst thing you've caught me doing."
Or boyfriend c:
Why would she be surprised though?
Casey's girlfriend: hands him a present 🎁
Casey: Wow, thank you so much.
I hand Casey a present 🎁
Casey: OMFG a custom steering wheel with full tactile feel!? Bro, how did you know!?
Chris I bet Casey's wife would hate the present his GF would give him.
BioHazard Shrimp lmaoo
I spent 20 minutes of my time listing about a tiny feature, on a car I'm never going to drive and enjoyed it. Well played.
:)
Tiny? :D
I'll never even see one unless I go to a dealership. I still liked the video.
Certainly not a tiny feature. You're always gonna have your hands on the steering wheel, it's one of the most important things in the interior. And you never know if he's gonna drive/buy it, and fix your English.
He is right it spoils an otherwise decent sports car. Its a safety defect. Not whats needed to properly control the vehicle at high speed.
Forget the steering wheel. Let's talk about that flying dinosaur!
Pterosaurs weren't dinosaurs.
@ the more you know 🌈
@ Quetzalcoatl
@ what were they then? Real question
Luís E. P. Gomes, pterosaurs.
Nice demonstration. But in the future: You're supposed to make burnout sounds when correcting fake over-steer. It makes the demonstration a lot more exciting.
Good tip, but to add to that I try to keep engine noises between talking and oversteer.
Me: drives a 20 year old 98kw Landcruiser
Also me: yeah that would be a terrible racing wheel
Let's be honest with ourselves, the old men who buy it won't be using the paddles. 11 and 1 all the way to the Chilis
You obviously arn't aware of all the twenty somethings with youtube channels who have preordered them....
It's crazy that Jean Alesi used to drive those early-90s F1 cars with his hands at 11 and 1
100% WRONG!!!!
Waffle House, not Chili's.
FACTS
I HATE that corvettes have become a status symbol for douchebags and a toy for old farts on their deathbed to go fast for no reason. I'm 16 and bought a silver 78 corvette, pouring my heart and soul into the fucker and then I see the people who fit the stereotypes and it hurts me to know That that's what they think the corvette is
I have a flat bottom steering wheel and it’s a huge issue when I have to catch the car in overseer situations. You just grab thin air expecting to grab the steering wheel and it’s sooo dangerous. Can’t imagine how bad is it going to be with the corvette.
Amin Bajrektarevic you haven’t gotten used to it?
PeRX I got used to it in normal driving conditions, also driving fast in a controlled manner is also fine. It’s only an issue for me when you are trying to catch an unexpected slide, like a wet intersection. Otherwise you don’t really touch that part of the wheel.
PeRRXX lol right? I also have a flat bottom steering wheel.... never had an issue.
Fat bottom wheels make the driving world go 'round.
@@aminbajrektarevicab How often are you sliding uncontrolled through wet intersections? Save it for the track
You don't understand? General Motors has specialized in making crappy interiors for decades now.
C8 interior is pretty awesome tho
@@weasle2904 yea, that's because Chevy didn't design it.
@@burgerbandit3646 who designed it then?
@@corvettelifejones8625 I heard it was a company that has designed other exotic car interiors in the past. I'll try to find the article.
@@burgerbandit3646 bullshit, no other company designed it idiot. How the hell would that happen.
Bro please help these manufacturers design a tactile paddle. I'm so glad you mentioned that! Porsche, McLaren, Alfa Romeo, and Ferrari are some of the few I've driven who get the tactile shift feel of a paddle correct. If you're going to ditch the manual at least give us some crispy paddle shifters!
Very true and If be happy too. Presumably their designers are idiots.
Yo it's the shorts dude lol
Do you guys think the buttons on the Corvette will fade off like all of the Chevy ac buttons do
Quit using lotion and the paint won't fall off.
@Vaurice Payton then the paints gonna fall off. It'll happen in every make btw.
Anthony Krieger im pretty sure it happens in any gm car lol
@@saturndesigns2339 it'll happen in any car period. It's a quality of the plastic and paint not the manufacturers quality.
@@fataxe1 bullshit my honda pilot 03 Acura 07 and Toyota 04 still has paint on buttons with no fade
"Why the Corvette C8 steering wheel is idiotic garbage..."
It's not round?
"...and what it should be"
Round? You know, like a wheel?
Nah sports cars shouldnt have round steering wheels
ass did you or did you not listen to the videos explication, sports cars are made for performance and not cosmetics
@@yeahnoway111 that only works in the real world if your steering is set up for racing aka basically full lock at 90 degrees steering wheel angle
“Designed by Boomers for retired Boomer weekend cruisers”
Pretty much what I was going to say designed for the white hairs lol
So they can feel like Steve McQueen as they drive to the golf course
@@cypher1o1 ..You are a true idiot. You mom must be so proud.
Shut up boomer
@@cypher1o1 Gotta get a Mustang to feel like Steve McQueen lol 😂👍
Literally. I had 2 different GM vehicles and both the dashes cracked all over within 5 years. The dash was always conditioned with good quality products and never exposed to extreme UV. GM knew it was a problem and didn’t do a thing about it except offer me 2k off another vehicle. Not to mention my many other problems. Traded in my last GM product and got me a Jeep. 50k miles so far and not one problem and it’s the most fun vehicle I’ve ever owned. Never looking back at anything GM
The 2019, $600k Ford GT has a square steering wheel and a cheap parts bin interior, but that seems acceptable.
I was thinking about the GT wheel while watching this vid. Curious of Casey's and other ppls opinion of the GT wheel
I have a feeling this rant is more about hatred for GM and the C8 than a steering wheel.
1. does it have very large/deep indentations that allow you to wrap the steering wheel at 9 & 3? If not then yes it's poorly designed
2. the square portion is never an issue if the steering goes to full lock without crossing your arms. If the ford gt requires you to cross your arms then yes it's a poor design.
InTheZone
I think you’re confusing the C8 street machine with the C8.R race car. Hell if you’re comparing it to a race car nothing about it would pass tech inspection. A blaring omission would be a roll cage. I don’t think the average consumer gives a damn how their thumbs fit the steering wheel.
Yeah same carbon fiber used in the explorer
**laughs in aftermarket**
Did u watch the video?
Saturn Designs did you?
@@saturndesigns2339 Does it matter? If you're modding the car, the steering wheel will probably be swapped out for a different one such as a detachable wheel.
@@TheLon3Phoenix you clearly did not watch the video
Saturn Designs laughs in surviving company
YES!!! A huge gripe I have had for YEARS!!! Why is it so hard to make a steering wheel for performance driving?? Starting with hands at 9 & 3 ... DON"T PUT THE SPOKES THERE!!! ... isn't that obvious?? I've raced Karts for decades, and my favorite kart steering wheels have 3 spokes at Noon, 8, and 4. Why doesn't every performance car have that too?
Because it doesn't "look" cool.
The 12 spoke would block the gauges. Maybe 2, 6, and 10 would be better.
Dong put spokes at 9/3? The race wheels he said were great ergonomically had spokes at 9/3. The difference is that those steering wheels don't have airbags
You can definitely design a great steering wheel with spokes at 9&3, one which still also has great ergonomics held near 9&3; have tried plenty of steering wheels as such
Hello friends, I thought it important to make an intelligent video to back up my strong opinion on the new Corvette design failure. Hope you get something out of it and have a great day!
I think they want you to wrap just your thumb and index finger around the wheel, and rest the other three on the paddles
Every modern Chevy car I’ve driven has had an awful interior design from a human factors standpoint. The Chevy Cruze has the same wheel design that you are describing. It’s horrendous and impossible to manage.
We don’t even have to get into the interior buttons which have all be “re-imagined” by Chevy to be in the worst positions and the logos of standard operating gear are sometimes redesigned.
Be like Toyota. They have had the cruise control stalk for over 30 years because it works and you don’t have to change it. And if I get into another Toyota I can always actuate cruise control because it’s always the same. I can always actuate the wipers and the headlights. It’s all consistent. Lots of companies are trying to push the design boundaries by re-designing the human-machine interface and it doesn’t work.
Regarding the paddles, I actually thought the same thing about the C7 corvette, and I completely agree with you on the C8 corvette. Since we’re on the topic, is there any performance benefit from flattening any part of the steering wheel?
Not in a street car. ESPECIALLY in a steering rack ratio where there are numerous turns lock to lock. That is a race car thing only for rack ratios where you don't have to take your hands off 9/3 positions. It is bad in a street car. Period.
@@Butterffinger5678 Chevy actually stated that the top part being flattened was for visibility, for what its worth.
Such a weird thing, I study Industrial product design and one of our classes is ergonomics and specifically teaches us to think about how things are held!
Damn you're killing my plan to get rich by selling 3D printed steering wheels and metal paddle replacements that still use all the stock radio controls. LMAO!
Plastic 3D printed steering wheel with no internal metal frame?! 😬
Network126 No, you can print with powdered metals.
Guessing the very old 10/2 came from the old tanks people drove back in the day without power steering. You definitely needed the extra leverage for grandma...
I always used a "necker's knob", those old tanks were usually 6+ turns lock-lock. Doing sharp turns at speed REALLY kept you focused on your driving! AHH the good old days....
I feel like I learned a lot. Who knew there was so much science and ergonomic considerations for sports car steering wheels. The steering wheel in my 89 Mercedes 420 is huge and I love it. Thanks Casey
This was really interesting. Could you do a video like this for every car part? What makes a good racing seat, or a perfect shift knob, or tire, etc. I would watch them all.
DJ Kelley this is a great idea!
😂😂😂 love it
I always felt odd driving 10&2. I always drive 9&3
What you talk about in the video makes 100% sense. The problem with this video is that most individuals who get luxury/expensive cars don't get them to race or track them, they get them as status symbols for their wealth. The average person doesn't care about the ergonomics of the steering wheel, engineering of the car, etc. Most people purchase nice cars to either show it off or want to put their foot on the throttle and go fast from time to time. The engineers and designers making these cars know 100% what there doing, they don't appeal to the minority of people like you who are super interested in the entirety of how the car works and performs, but to appeal to the majority that want style , tech and features.
So this is a common problem for all sports cars these days and not specific to corvette? Maybe that’s why GM didn’t bother with it
So, theres exotic models for looks driven by rappers, women, and middle aged men, and then theres ones for performance, cherished by drivers, racers, speed freaks. Most try to do both a little, but really cater mostly to one camp, usually as a result of risk tolerance and pefrence of the owner. In this case the owner is a soulless comglomerate, run by boomers assisted by a "artsy types" who they tolerate in the design building, with low risk tolerance on an already low margin product.
*Me as a kid riding one of those space ship kid rides:* 10:19
"just want a sports car to feel good about life" idk man, I thought that's why we're all here 😂 ... 😭
I'm buying a new 2019 Dodge Challenger R/T Scat Pack 6 speed manual today for $30k so I can feel good about life.
Diksaca Yehovah 30k for a scat pack? Which state do you live in sir
@@dirtracer21d - I live in Michigan but up here they are between $37k and $41k.
I bought it from Browns Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram in Sterling Virginia which is west of Washington DC.
Took a flight Oct 27th on Sunday afternoon, the flight delayed and they even stayed past hours to close the deal.
Great buying experience.
Diksaca Yehovah well hell yeah man, enjoy your new car!
part of it, imo, is the simple fact 99% of drivers have no clue how to properly drive. Not saying I do either but at least I hold the wheel as proper as I can, don't text or use my phone, eat, drink, drive with tunnel vision, left lane hog, etc. But these companies are designing these vehicles for your casual driver. The guy just hops in his car and drives as a tool. A boring task they need to deal with to get from point A to B. Not driving because it's enjoyable. Same reason the manual is dying imo.
Whats funny is I've hated most steering wheels I've had in my cars but couldn't figure out quite why that was. Simple stupid, yes, most cars have several electronics attached now so there's that bulking piece of plastic at 3 & 9....
watched this video with my Logitech g920 in front of me, realised just how good a $350 sim wheel is compared to a real car. Paddles in a good place and your whole hand can grip the wheel comfortably with alright button placement also
When log I Tech lakes a better wheel on less of a budget than car companies with multi million dollar budgets
There are cheaper sportscars that have better steering wheels than that C8 lol. Heck probably grocery getters too. It should be ergonomic, that's what matters.
I can relate because I watched this in front of my tmx pro and realized the same thing
you still paid $350 for a toy, lol.
@@jibbinjibberish8886 What's it like to be poor?
4:01 POV: you’re a gauge cluster
Chevy salesmen: the new corvette steering wheel is optimized for road handling and ease to shift the paddle shifters
Old man buying the car: does it get the oldies channel?
&Dennis Snider the irony there is that GM is clearly looking for the Corvette to appeal to a younger demographic with this huge departure from what was offered before. What GM doesn’t realize however is that millennial fuckers on the whole don’t have any money. So it’s still going to be the older men buying these, if the unconventional features don’t turn them completely off.
@@mr.butterworth
"So it’s still going to be the older men buying these"
And the small handful of millennials who managed to pull themselves out of the mud, no thanks to said older men.
So basically you want the late 80s porsche steering wheel
Why don’t you make an aftermarket steering wheel that will adapt nicely and sell it to all the vette heads to help fund your school
Unfortunately, It's always easier to complain. Any drive that could have gone into designing that wheel was vented out in this video... its like knocking the head off a fire extinguisher. 😬
CokeandManual I’ve re-read this comment more times than I can count and still have no idea what 2/3’s of it means
@@maxlombardo2702 I looked at your reply and thought about my answer. I'll provide two versions.
1. In the event of a fire, knocking the head off a fire extinguisher would be less effective compared to controlling the output via the trigger and nozzle. I was mentioning this, because the creator of this video went quite a while giving potential useful/creative energy into complaining.
2. Everybody wanna see me break an egg
Well I don’t, But I like fried rice, And I ain't got lice. Ching chow woo ching wang woo wice
That ain’t nice.
CokeandManual not funny didnt laugh
@@junglistmassiv Hmm, note to self; before making joke, consult with FishMegumi first. Got it. Liked it.
“Please let this be a normal field trip”
10:20
2:46 Kermit Gets Triggered at a Steering Wheel
The C8 steering wheel looks like a rectangle laying brick 🧱. The C8 design is so weird. IT has a Camaro rear end and a outdated 1990’s front end. That C8 needed a redesign when it launched in 2020. GM CEO Mary is SAD
The feels when a $200 logitech racing wheel is better than a C-8 wheel.
Good thing most C8 drivers will only drive it on sunny days and always go at least 10 under the speed limit.
Absolutely true, it can as bad as he said and everything Casey said was on point. It is a steering wheel designed by committee, as most modern wheels are. When you have a team of people designing for commuter cars, shart utility vehicles, and fleet vehicles and you have a further mandate for a consistent design language you get design carry-over, group think, familiarity with convention, collective imposed selective self muteism, and budget based decisions. I know for a fact that the Cruze and the Camaro had interchangeable steering wheel components, hell it may have been the same structure just different wrapping, buttons, or wiring harness but I can't remember to say for sure. What I can say for sure is that its worse than the Logitech g5 steering wheel I have for video games, even with an airbag.
Damn. I never imagined the importance of a steering wheel until now.
Havent felt the steering wheel yet... but as soon as I saw pictures I was like.... yikes
I honestly really like the idea of a one spoke steering wheel like the ones found in old citroens, you can wrap your hands around them entirely, get better visibility of the gauge cluster when the steering wheel is turned (because there are no side spokes) and still use 9-3.
They should’ve made a C8.R inspired steering wheel. Assuming the C8.R has a somewhat similar wheel like the C7.R. Great video, and I totally agree with you.
A lot of car has this particular issue and I hate it.
How about a aftermarket wheel casey? By the time i get around to buying one should they not have a quality one.
watch the whole video.
Then you lose your airbag and won't pass inspection
so lefty, were not talking about throwing an 80’s Momo in there. The aftermarket makes steering wheels that are just the outer ring and you retain the rest of the wheel.
@@johnh2349 got a link? that's news to me.
I bet when they come out carbontastic will be making one, I think he said in a dde video that they use the stock rings to make their wheels, they’ve done Ferrari and Lamborghini steering wheels with shift lights
"Thats like making a seat you can't fit in!!"
90s Japan would like to know your location
I just bought a 2019 Camaro convertible, and the salesman was telling me that I'm lucky, as it comes with the same steering wheel as the Corvette. It is going to take some getting used to, and I would happily switch, if a reasonably priced alternative shows up.
he took a high risk by telling you that, i know that guy was nervous as fucking until you finished signing
@@eddieru nervous fucking is never good
Casey, just found your videos this morning I really enjoy them. I agree with you about the C8 steering wheel especially it not being round. However I also understand why some of the design is like it is. I am a recently retired automotive engineer and spent my last 10 years working on the design and release of steering wheel switches for one of the big 3. I have an idea why the spokes and switches on the C8 steering wheel are packaged where they are and I am sure it was dictated by packaging space/feasibility and also cost.
This steering wheel definitely does not work for sport driving or racing and that is because it was designed for the majority of the drivers that will buy a C8. Those C8 buyers will use the car as a daily pleasure vehicle and will never do any sport driving or racing in the car. Based on your comment about making your own C8 steering wheel I think it would be a great idea if you could start a company to make race inspired and designed aftermarket replacement steering wheels for current vehicles that would be compatible with the vehicle’s OEM electrical architecture and airbag.
As for why the C8 wheel is not round you need to watch the TH-cam video "2020 Corvette Chief Engineer Talks C8 Stingray - Autoline After Hours 489" as the C8 Executive Chief Engineer Tadge Juechter talks about the car. In the video Tadge addresses the C8 steering wheel design and he also addresses why the C8 has no manual transmission. The steering wheel discussion starts at time is (21:20) and the transmission is discussion is at time (48:35).
"2020 Corvette Chief Engineer Talks C8 Stingray - Autoline After Hours 489"
th-cam.com/video/BBfXm1Yczdo/w-d-xo.html&feature=emb_logo
C8 is out of my league but i have been looking at c4/c5 Corvettes. Love your commentary and videos thumbs up stay awesome everyone.
C5 over c4 for perfomance, just my 2 cents.
12:08 What is the purpose of the hole in the spoke of that steering wheel?
No one:
Casey putsch: I HAVE A BATMOBILE AND HATE THE C8 STEERING WHEELS😂😂😂
Love you Casey! Keep up the great work!
LOL! Well yeah man!
wow, just realized how good the steering wheel in my 2001 jeep cherokee is
Bring back the c4 and c5. Shit, even the iroc z was a driver's car with a good wheel.
Memories....Had a Fittipaldi wheel on my Ex wifes 87 305/5speed IROC (hardtop) Camaro....Great Car! Casey just drove up prices on those artifacts!🤣
IROCs are remembered quite fondly. I can't recall what the tail lights looked like though.
When I took driving training for the track I was instructed that your not supposed to use a full grip on the wheel.
I dont want the c8, it's cool being m/rear and all, but that steering wheel, and with pretty much all new vehicles come with display screens, arcade style steering wheel, and other pointless features, it just takes away from the enjoyment of driving a sports car. My celica, for example has an instrument panel, a stereo, a steering wheel with no buttons. Perfect.
cant you just fasten something around a square wheel and put extensions on the paddles?
Hope they fix this problem when the ZO6 and the ZR1 come out.
Rick Johnson they first have notice it is a problem
you really need to talk about tesla plaid steering wheel
And it's square for goodness sake! Looks ridiculous.
That and the exhaust tips are disappointing, the rest I love.
The LaFerrari has the same steering wheel design. I never heard/read anyone complain about it.
I understand your feelings. There is nothing more frustrating than witnessing or experiencing the incompetence of designers ruining what has already been proven to be right in the past.
The Bugatti Divo steering wheel looks nice. I'm saving up for a down-payment on one.
thats why I drive without a steering wheel,I just stick my finger in the steering wheel attachment hole and twist
It’s GM, they never get things right, does not surprise me
Ford and FCA are no different..
Thanks for sharing. I investigated different hand positions after an insurance company recommended the 4-8 position. "Less chance to break your thumbs if the airbag deploys". Not a major problem for me since I have a normal car, but I still turn off all electronics when driving on wet ice. I guess that is the same as driving with 800 hp in dry conditions.
I really did just spend 20 mins of my Saturday afternoon watching a video about a steering wheel. And yet I’m so satisfied
This can be a hazard really
You will not be able to fully grip the stirring wheel
They could potentially loose millions from this
Thank you for the alert
Thaaaanks finally a guy who talks about that. I have been looking on how ridiculos the steering wheels are now and you are right complete garbarge.
I got you fam!
Question: do you really get that "tactile feeling" on an electronic steering wheel in modern sports car ? (I haven't driven one so idk) In a bit older stuff you have hydraulics so you do absolutely feel everything, but on electric ones I doubt simulation is that precise, so that's why they can get away with worse designs maybe ? (Correct me someone if I'm wrong)
Speaking from my current ride (2016 Mustang GT) that has electric steering, it's not as clear as the old hydro days but there is communication in the wheel. Depending on how they tune it, at minimum you'll get tire load. Better systems will give road undulations, but the road surface type will rarely get to you. If you've driven 90s German sports cars or any motorcycle, you'll know what I'm on about. Closest analogy I can give is listening to the exhaust of a N/A V8 and a turbo V8. Both have a nice burble at idle and cruising speed, and you won't notice most days. When you lay into the throttle, however, there's a fine musical quality that is missing from the turbo V8. A muted turbo rasp that on the N/A exhaust would be wailing off walls, loudness volumes being equal.
I'm not a fan of Ford's or Mercedes's implementation (even with their driving modes set to sportiest). Modern Porsche and GM are reported to be the leaders in electric feedback, but I can't confirm.
I actually just learned EVERYTHING about steering wheels and I'm not upset at all #theMoreYouKnow
Dude you cannot be serious!!! The square steering wheel is nothing new. Ferrari uses them in a lot of their street cars. The latter C7 Corvettes use them on the bottom. Had you actually owned or driven a C7 with the round steering wheel you would completely understand why Chevy went into this direction. People with thick thighs find it difficult to get in and out of the C7. The flat button steering wheel solved this. The C8 top is for max driver vision. I think your issue is false and very contrived. You didn't sit on any C8 design Engineering team or design this car. Stop the foolishness...
“For any race car driver the most efficient way is 9-3” tell that to jean alesi
@Nick Cassetta i'm aware of that, thats why i said tell that to Jean Alesi, who had a unique hand positioning in F1 (10 to 2)
Lmao no hate towards the channel. But I love it when people complain about poor design on American cars like Chevy, Ford, Tesla, etc. When poor design is literally what American cars are known for. You would neber ever see a fuck up like this on a German or European car. Just sayin 🤷♂️
Today the C8 should be classed as a very capable sportscar. 20 years ago it absolutely would have been a full on supercar. I do think you're probably overreacting to the wheel though, it can't possibly have got through all the development and testing and ended up being as you seem to put it, unusable. I haven't touched a C8 steering wheel myself but logically it can't be as much of a disaster as you think.
@Simon Coles --- Absolutely it can as bad as he said and everything Casey said was on point. It is a steering wheel designed by committee, as most modern wheels are. When you have a team of people designing for commuter cars, shart utility vehicles, and fleet vehicles and you have a further mandate for a consistent design language you get design carry-over, group think, familiarity with convention, collective imposed selective self muteism, and budget based decisions. I know for a fact that the Cruze and the Camaro had interchangeable steering wheel components, hell it may have been the same structure just different wrapping, buttons, or wiring harness but I can't remember to say for sure. What I can say for sure is that its worse than the Logitech g5 steering wheel I have for video games, even with an airbag.
I'm just an Uber driver, but my Ford Focus steering wheen gets annoying with so many buttons. Sometimes I press things by accident while making turns.
My Pontiac vibe has a more ergonomic wheel
i love my 2003 toyota matrix wheel
I could be wrong, but I think what hes trying to say is we should be hold it at 9-3 for that tactile feel...
TBH though that Corvette wheel would piss me off, and I really dont think wheels should be square on top. I understand on the bottom for that leg clearance, but it should be a smooth 270 degree curve at the least. My RX7 FD the stock wheel is far to big, so swapped it out for a Momo Jet which has fantastic ergonomics. Cant stand uncomfortable steering or pedal/shifter placement.
Not worse then the steering wheels in the newer vipers!
Correct! Those suck too!
I fast forwarded through about half of this. I only needed the first couple minutes. What are the good parts about the steering wheel?
Saab were onto something with the joystick for sure
out of curiosity why dont they move the connection bars on all stearing wheels so there out of the way in a triangle shape
Grown man yells at steering whee for 20 minutes.
Reminds me of the Austin Allegro steering wheel back in the 1970s. (If you're not British, you won't know.) When the prototype Allegro was assembled, it was discovered the wheel obstructed the view of the instruments but it was too late to modify the design of the instrument panel. So it was decided to make a square wheel instead.
Mid engine 0-60 in under 3.5 sec, if it's not a super car I don't know what is.
a super car isn't just performance, its why the last gen NSX wasn't a super car even though it had the shape and performance it lacked the tech and luxury options being offered as standard on super cars.
The first gen NSX was definitely not a super car it lacked in horsepower and speed when compared to competitors.
I agree Casey!!!! I have been complaining about this forever. A friend said the flat space on the bottom is for bigger rounder drivers.
From my experience you get used to the feel of the wheel. I agree it's not the best design but I think you're being a little overly picky.
so, I have been wnating to track my car but I also still want to daily it, and I was thinking of getting an aftermarket steering wheel with the seat harnesses, is that worth it?
This brings up the topic with Ferrari’s having the start button on the steering wheel... like..why?????
wizbang of course. just wizbang!
R8 too
I tend to drive at 9-3, but I've found that my wrists don't turn enough to take advantage of the amount of arm clearance I get with that. I end up having to take the lower hand off the wheel at about 160 degrees anyway.
its gonna be a widowmaker American car bois don't know snap oversteer.
The MR-2 kinda comes to mind....
Almost all American car guys especially geriatric corvette owners don’t know shit when it comes to driving they just mash the gas.
Yo Casey, great point that no one else is bringing up. If you like to drive, poor controls will piss you off. Thank you for the insight.
Okay so it’s not just me that peeped that the steering wheel is dumb.
Hey I’m just wondering does the ford gt have the same problem because I always saw that and thought it was really cool but maybe not
"aergonomics"
Scotty Kilmer and Mahk noises .
Important point made!
This is the only reason I don't swap my '05 a4 B6 wheel for the b7 despite it being pretty plus features. My gf's car is an '07 b7 and beside the paddles, the 9-3 position just feels off with the horizontal "spokes" in the way