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That was a foul all day long, no matter where it takes place.
It's also a foul if you don't run, Zealand.
PGMOL can't complain that we think their decision making has no consistancy if they change what is a red card/pen through out the season.
I've seen red cards given with the justification of "You're supposed to control your studs even when you don't mean it"
The other reaction from Klopp was golden "what must you have for lunch to think it wasn't a penalty?" :D
Jurgen has definitely loosened up and seems way more relaxed since he announced his decision. He just doesn't seem afraid to just say whatever it is he feels like, regardless of how inflammatory it may be (see: the Mike Dean comment in the same interview).
Mike Dean is a piece of clout chasing shit who thinks he's bigger than others.
The rules even state that lack of attention when making a challenge for the ball is still a punishable offense. Even if he didn't see him going for the ball it doesn't matter. It's careless and absolutely a pen.
Mané got sent off for keeping his eyes on the ball from before Ederson was close to him until contact. That was a good second or two of looking at the ball. For Doku it was less than a second
Best of it all: in slow motion you can see that Mac Allister touches ball first)
So what? Doku still wins the ball.
@@michaelgoldsmith9359 Doku's studs made contact with Mac Allister before the ball. That's a foul.
shoutout to jurgen klopp for dropping the most german sounding english not in terms of pronunciation but in terms of idioms fs
If Doku didn't know Mac Allister was there, then he wouldn't have kicked the back at that height. Kicking it that high, you have next to no control and most likely just fire the ball straight up and i'll drop in the area somewhere unpredictable and dangerous. Doku ONLY kicks the ball at that height because he's very aware of Mac Allister challenging for it.
The intent doesnt mather for if something is a foul, it only mathers a bit when talking about the punishment (no card, yellow, red) for a foul.
Some dude did that to me in a rec league, I had nasty marks on my side from the studs, ref didn’t give a fuck. Like, I gotta work the next day. Absolutely no need for people to be coming in with high boots like that.
Personally, i think that it if was on "the halfway line" as klopp says, it would still be a VAR check, but rather for a red card than a penalty, high boot, studs connect with chest, if Mcallister comes from a different angle he could have a broken rib right now.
Then macallister did the exact same thing at the halfway line next game and nothing happened
Is it bad i knew Zealand was going to pull up that old rugby clip from that exact video because I have also rewatched it an embarrassing number of times
Remember when Nani got sent off against Real Madrid in the Champion's League for exactly the same thing? No? GREAT PROCESS. GOOD TALK.
Insane that this wasn't a penalty.
Nani did a flying kick into the real madrid player. This was the smallest of contacts, still a pen, in my opinion.
Touching the ball doesn’t matter anymore. They changed that literally this year. They have different rules for Liverpool. Also it’s hilarious because Doku didn’t even touch it first. They should be 7 points clear and are getting robbed out of a title this year.
After the refs explanation for why they didn't give this pen I cannot wait for the game where the ref decides to give a pen in the exact same situation. This inconsistency is what pisses people off when it comes to refs.
Maybe the idiot on VAR decided to pull a Mike Dean and not call Oliver to the screen because he wanted to protec his mate.
I'm tired of the PGMOL they have really ruined season upon season with their incompetence
W title though
Doku might've gotten a small touch on the ball, but that's still attempted murder on Mac Allister, so as a City fan, it's definitely a pen. We got lucky the ref is Michael Oliver
That touch on the ball is the only reason they could even overturn it. Isn't it the same Micheal Oliver that didn't give Kovacic a second yellow during their game with Arsenal.
Attempted Murder? Doku just touched him and immediately pulled his foot back, he didn't even go with that much force into the tackle, and Mac Allister was fine after it.
we love a rational city fan
How was it a murder attempt he got he foot on the ball and MAC happened to be there also he kinda nick Mac chest but he still touch the ball if you slow it down doku touch the ball before Mac gets tap
Yeah I don’t think it’s luck. Brudda get paid by the uae
Is that a Welsh dragon i see?! 🥲
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yep I thought that as well.
Dude got studs to the kidney
A kidney shot is on the back, not the front.
Best take I've seen so far... Kudos
Liverpool have been royally F'd this season. First Tottenham offside, then handball Arsenal and now this...
Also McTominay handball, and the other two calls in the Tottenham game
Did the amount of contact made between foot and chest explain the reaction as if shot? It seemed tiny so to me that explains why it wasn't given as a bad call by VAR, if a hand had made that much contact the reaction would have been a clear dive.
Have you seen the results of the tackle? Mac Allister's chest was bleeding
Anywhere else on the pitch it would be a foul for a high foot !!!
I may be wrong but if it wasn’t City and perhaps a lower placed team in the league then it WOULD have been given as a penalty!!!!
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Edit: he changed the thumbnail, it had the windows 11 taskbar before 😭
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At this rate, PGMOL are gonna catch a lawsuit from Liverpool. First they called off Luis Diaz's goal against Spurs for onside, then this? Doku fucking De-Jonged Mac Allister, it is clearly and obviously a pen.
poeple will call Liverpool a crybabies when all they ask for is just accountability from the highness institute of PGMOL.
The offside is not the only huge error from the Spurs match
Studs McAllister is gonna be my next D&D character
He's he gonna be a Latin ginger -head?
doku being a villain is perfect
Count Doku
If Alexis had gone to head it and the boot made the same contact but with his head, would they have called a penalty?
No because there is a different set of rules when it comes to Liverpool, the corruption against the Liverpool country is unprecedented
@@vicmackey4606 oh shush, no corruption the ref just bottled the decision as they have done many times this season for/against numerous teams.
@@vicmackey4606what about the two penalty shouts that chelsea didn’t get at anfield? everybody gets bad decisions and theres always a team that benefits from them but it’s not biased
I would say so brother. imagine the stud caught McAlister on the forehead, blood everywhere, No foul given because Doku got some of the ball
@@siplezz6706the two penalty shouts that would have made the 4-1 a 4-3? Sure, they're errors, but not game deciding ones
classic 50:50 decision for the ref. For me, 100 percent foul and therefore penalty.
McAllister on purpose endangered himself to draw a foul
It just sucks that it's the 3rd time this has happened to us, the Tottenham game, Odegaard's handball, and now this.
6th, at least. 3 in the Spurs game, Ødegaard and McTominay handballs, and this
The same can be said about American sports but it will forever baffle me that replay systems are in place and this kinda stuff STILL happens. Of course fans want their team to win but those of us who just want to enjoy the sport, whichever it may be, don’t want to see blatantly obvious calls like that missed. What’s the point of refs or umps being on the field if things like this keep happening? It’s not a matter of pen or not, yellow or red, ejection or not etc etc its a matter of call or no call and it’s hard to find a single game in any of the major sports around the world that doesn’t have a mind boggling call. Just so frustrating man
Re: "The halfway line"
Klopp's pronunciation reminded me more of the actor who plays Jaime Lannister in Game of Thrones.
A a reff my self it is a pen, but its on glass legs pen. Leg is not extended, no intensity, no intention, ball is between the players. It is a soft pen, but sadly for Kloop it is.
Soft pen. You ain’t a ref.
😂sure ok you're a ref
No wonder no one knows your league if you're the ref.
"Halfway line" reminded me of American football tbh
hot take: its a handball
Love these kind of videos
They made a point that Doku got the ball so it's not a pen so what does that mean for Curtis Jones on Bissouma or Pogba against Pool some seasons ago?
Want it both ways? Pretty sure noone thinks the Curtis Jones decision was right so why use it as the golden example of what should happen.
I think you've misunderstood my comment G@@michaelgoldsmith9359
4:12 That commentator is Welsh, which does count as British. Although its not the accent people typically mean when they say British accent.
Z wearing the Wales shirt, we love it
Having played football 20 years ago 😅 it's still a foul.
Doku kicked McAlister in the CHEST!!! No Foul
Taekwondoku
As Slaven Bilić said it best after discussing about a foul in a world cup in 2018: If I was Liverpool manager question the ref for the penalty and if I was Man city manager, I would say its not penalty but "To Be Fair I Don't Care".
Note: I would rather talk about how Ange totally destroyed Unai Emery with 4-0 at Villa Park and that red card by McGuinn, Zealand.
Spare a thought for my mate who would’ve won £300, had the (should’ve been) resulting pen been scored.
I'm gonna play the devil's advocate, because I've seen most people calling it a penalty, but I don't believe it was.
Mac Allister is a really smart player, as soon as I saw him running towards Doku I knew he was going looking for that contact, and he almost got away with it. Haven't Doku seen him at the last moment, and he would have kicked him as Macca wanted. But as Zealand says, you can see Doku's motion of trying to move his leg out of the way, while Macca's going into Doku. I guess reffs considered that to not give the pen.
But yes, I got to say that their work has been absolutely inconsistent, because had this happened during the start of the season, they would have called it a pen 100%
20 years ago in football the ref would have shaken dokus hand for that challenge
Remember this match. Good thing it ended up not mattering
How is this isn't a Penalty ?
Even on the halfway line!
Not even surprising at this point. Neco Williams in the game before almost had this leg broken from a horror challenge but it wasn’t given a red 🤷🏻♂️ insane.
Even as a Man Utd fan who has to hate Liverpool and Man City (I do like alot of their players and managers though, blasphemy i know) and a draw is the best result for us (even though we have no hope of getting in the top 3). It should have 100% been a pen.
It isn't a pen but I can see giving a direct red because its a sanctionable offence!
I think it is a foul through and through. If you’re going to make a high boot kick you need to do it responsibly. It’s on the one who is kicking to make sure they’re not kicking someone’s face or torso. That just seems like common sense to me. If you’re not aware of your surroundings then don’t make a play that could be potentially dangerous. Is that not obvious?
I cannot agree neither with Zealand, nor with the comments. A rule of high foot implies having a 50-50 situation on the ball control. Doku was literally under the ball, while Mac Allister was going to punch Doku with his jump, not necessarily having the ball after the punch. Dangerous playing was exactly what Mac Allister was doing - and why this cannot be a pen. What has been given somewhere by other judges was not given in this game, and in this game this rule was interpreted great.
A clear pen...
VAR - Checking Badge
Badge Man City
Decision - No Pen
We should have about 5 more points than me so have but sure if we win still at the end of it all we will be the most resilient champions in history .... Klopp is the king .... Love that guy
the same thing happens in so many games, a foul anywhere else on the pitch.
Why are you not running?
I missed it. Didn't know it was on. I thoroughly enjoyed the farmer's market though.
A penalty should only be given if the foul in question clearly denied a goal scoring opportunity imo. If a player commits a foul in the box that does not clearly deny a goal scoring chance then a card should be shown to the player and a direct free kick awarded at the spot of the foul, that way it helps to prevent penalties being given for incidents that happen near the edge of the box that might not lead to clear goal scoring chances.
I cannot look at that light contact, that wouldn't be seen as rough, even a children's league game, and say "Yes, there should be a pen there in general, much less a game and potentially league defining penalty right there."
I was a neutral watcher, if it happens against my team i would have screamed bloody murder as well... but, trying to put myself in the ref's position, everywhere in the pitch that's not a foul, it's "dangerous conduct" (is that the right term???), the kind of foul that grants you an indirect free kick. And, I think, it's not on the VAR instructions to adjudicate on these. That's absurd, obviously, and everything (and i do mean everything, even a throw-in) wrong should be checked. But going back to the point, I think the referee sees the ball going up, doesn't think about the contact, then VAR checks and by its rule cannot overturn the ref's decision. Does anything of the above make any sense?
You could tell he was gonna foul mcallister way before he raised his foot. He had that desperate and confused look to him that usually ends in a pen. But City got every call in their favor like they often do. Guessing the refs had a very well paid mid week game to in UAE before this;) For me Allison should have gotten a red. Cynical and dangerous foul on the pen.
What did Allison ever do?
the title race was created by the pgmol this season. Handball vs arsenal, this penalty, spurs game, that's seven points with arsenal and city still to play each other (guaranteed dropped points) with ten games to go it would have been over already.
to think we could have been 5 points clear of arsenal and 6 clear of city if officiating this season made sense
If this was given and Havertz got the second yellow for diving in the area, Liverpool would be 4 points clear.
when people claim its not a pen when its slowed down cause he isnt putting in much power in his foot and hes pulling away are just stupid. ITS SLOWED DOWN
Not just the penalty, look at the City goal. You got Ake interfering with play in a offside position blocking Mac Allister from getting to the near post. There was a Liverpool goal disallowed against Chelsea for that exact reason, Endo interfering with play in a offside position.
I think the biggest problem here, is now on the box are penalty or nothing , like 30 years ago they can just give a free kick on the box.
For me is a risk play but not a penalty fault,.
Clear blue card in my book
I swear if Man City wins this league by 1 point to either Arsenal or Liverpool for the 3rd time again bro.
Law suit incoming
I hate the amount of change in rules in the game but they need to change penalties if they are going to the same level of foul as everywhere else. Maybe have the kick wherever the foul is rather than the penalty spot with just taker and keeper in the box (using the penalty spot for shootouts only) because how can a foul on the edge of the box with back to goal and in the six yard box be the same chance of scoring
Shameful refereeing, as a Liverpool fan I have to wonder why so many decisions go against us even if Lucho missed two chances we should've gotten a pen and a chance to double the lead.
The game was officiated by a “KFC” referee aka a chicken in the box. Easy call on a bad foul. A foul is a foul either a player touches a ball first or not. Get a FIFA book of Laws and it it up.
Luiz Días v Spurs? Someone?
The irony is I did *run* to the farmers market and I didn’t know Liverpool v City was on
Same dude that gave a penalty for the vasquez-benatia contact.
not calling a clear foul because it would generate "controversies" is the dumbest excuse ever for any kind of referees. even if it's not corruption, this is a blatant incompetence from a group of people who should know better than others, yet the same group asking for respect and understanding from players or managers. howard webb and the whole PGMOL should be held accountable for this.
just going for the ball with the studs up and leg so high is a problem, this sort of play should not be allowed
Arguably the most clear penalty in the prem all season. PGMOL is garbage.
The penalty should be a marathon! Or any other form of running
Contact with the ball no longer takes precedence when the foul is dangerous. It shouldn't have mattered yesterday. It was a foul, and should have been a pen. Still, the draw put Arsenal top, which pleases me immensely. COYG!
As a Belgian, I'm jealous of the fact that THIS is a controversial decision in England.
Sometimes it's unclear whether the Belgian referees (and VARs) even know what offside means.
neither do english ones, as a neutral, that diaz goal was clearly a goal and not offside
the one against tottenham that is
What mistakes Belgian referees make? I'm asking out of curiosity
@@Lub3lak recently a match was scheduled to be replayed because the VAR didnt correctly apply the rules where a penalty had to be retaken. Also some goals were incorrectly ruled offside where the VAR ‘forgot’ to account for a defender standing some distance away. Nobody suspects mafia because EVERY team has weird decisions against them lmao.
Nah the title race would be more interesting if city losf
Lost*
that should have been a red card or the blue . mac allister got red for toching a tip of foot and he not fouled for getting stomped in chest
the way the rules are described is also very vague with a lot of room for interpretation
handball freekick man City🙃
EUREKA!! Scrap penalties for fouls in the box. Allow the oposition to defend the free-kick, just like any other free kick anywhere else on the field.
Keep the penalty spot and keep penalties for the purpose of deciding the winner after 90mins plus extra time if neither team is winning.
Problem solved.
The entire world didn’t stop for this game. I watched a more important game.
ok
Is not a penalty. Doku comes first to the ball, them Mac Allister go for contact not Doku. And that was the Ref decision, the images show the same and the Var cant overturn the decision base on the images.
0 ball knowledge.
@@shuraamano In this case is not ball knowledge, is Refereeing and football laws nowledge.
I think they did not give it for 2 reasons (even tho i think it should've been a pen ) 1st reason is probably because Doku's leg wasnt extended and it hit the ball first and 2nd reason being that Mac Allister kiinda made it look like he intentionally went with the chest to force contact ,he could've jump for it for a header or try to kick it himself ,but he chose the chest ,which can look like trying to force a fault on Doku .
Mac Allister clearly gets to the ball first Doku only touches the ball after Mac Allister, he then kicked our player in his chest due to his foot being high. Its a stonewall penalty. No questions asked, just another case of refs bottling it again. It happens in all the big games, the refs are abysmal and need to be sacked, the amount of bad calls this season from refs is legitimately embarrassing. The Spurs game where we got 2 sendings off and a onside goal ruled out by VAR? The Arsenal game when Odegaard was playing basketball in the penalty area? Now a clear penalty against Man City not given? Liverpool would be comfortably ahead in the league if the refs could actually just do their jobs. Ive said since early in the season that the refs would spoil this season and it has proven to be the case, They just change the rules to make sure they dont look bad. Back their ref mates, brush it under the carpet and expect everyone to just forget it ever happened. These refs couldnt run a bath, they shouldnt be running a game, we need new refs not old refs that still think they've got it, and specific VAR refs who is trained how and when he is supposed to go to the monitor.....also the onfield refs and the VAR sets of refs shouldnt know each other...cant be feeling sorry for 'your mate' and not sending him the screen when he is supposed to be running a professional football match.......Titles are on the line....along with hundreds of millions of pounds. And these refs treat it as if its a sunday league game. And treat the fans as if they are brand new idiots. Give it 15 maybe 20 years and it wouldnt surprise me to see all these PGMOL people getting done for corruption, but then again by then the damage has already been done so its not gonna matter, to the many different sets of fans that have been screwed by the refs.
Dont think it wont happen to your team.....because it will, at some point, when it suits whatever agenda they need it too. Refs are the main source of stress in my life, its impossible to be this bad at being a ref or a VAR assistant when you literally have all the help you could need...somehow they are getting more decisions wrong now than right?
A Policeman isnt allowed to be rubbish at his job....he would be fired......so why is it any different for a ref? It should be the same especially with how much money goes through the game!
It's two players coming together attacking a neutral ball. MacAlister easily could have won that with his head if he hadn't decided to stand behind the ball and then throw himself at Doku looking for contact instead. We see similar scenarios with headers all the time, if one player is standing beneath the ball making no attempt to play it and they get bullied out of it by another player coming in and attacking the ball it's never given as a foul.
So combined with the Tottenham match that's what now? 4-5 points lost because of refs?
This is never a pen, it’s more dangerous if doku uses his head as you could have a head on head collision, Mac allister knows exactly what he’s doing he’s never going to make it to the ball
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Doesn’t matter, if he’s playing the ball, or even trying to play the ball. 99% of fouls is the player trying to play the ball.
Liverpool got robbed
I am so angry at the refs and VAR. They are so goddamn terrible.