Off Grid Micro Hydro X-STREAM Engine Upgrade
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 พ.ค. 2024
- We upgrade the Off grid Micro Hydro EMPIRE with an X-Stream Engine from Energy Systems and Design. We magically mount the machine in the river, connect it to the penstock, and wire it up. Then the tricky part; optimizing the nozzle size, rotor height (magnets) and MPPT settings to get the most power.
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do you really need to ''subdue'' the river?... can't you just let it be and use a simple paddle wheel? [make one by yourself! ] that will last for decades?...
It seams to me a paddle wheel with sprockets and pollies and generators. Would be easier.
@@user-McGiver Yes, it seems like they (Jeff is to blame ;-) you can take it big boy) are getting to playing like "government employees"*. Perhaps it is the money being made available - or fame for the client.....
Drilling holes in rocks that have been there for 60,000 years or more, from what I see, is noting short of graffitti.
Or vandalism!!
Why not a long bar from side to side of the valley secured in a mobile concrete base (wheels can be inserted so that it can be rolled out of position)with a wheel on it, and the whole rig secured from a high tree above? It won't last a heavy storm as it is.
I've just had 3 ton trees sweep past my window this last week, and another 7m oak stuck right now needing to be cut up and removed - perhaps only 2 tons, but if you get that sort of stuff comind down, you'll be properly tested - I know the catchment area in question is much smaller than my area, I'm not half way up a mountain, and those levels of water flow are not likely to arise, but none the less, construct something that can be protected or removed in seriously bad times, because they are coming, or didn't you get the message?
* unproductive
40 years ago, we dug a trench from the middle of the stream behind my dad's place in White Pass, WA two feet deep in the bottom of an existing hole above bedrock and paralleling the flow to a penstock with a 50 foot elevation difference, inlaying a 3" PVC pipe to run a turbine. It's worked flawlessly year round ever since.
Turbine was an under-shot Pelton wheel. Inlet was an inverted stainless steel drum with 1/16" holes punched in its cylindrical sides to let in maximum flow and minimum debris.
That sounds like a great system, and obviously a really good investment 40 years ago.
@Gridlessness
Ya, what's crazy though is, the penstock is under a concrete and wood deck behind the house. My dad is long gone (heck, I'm 75!), the house has been sold and resold and I doubt anyone else now even knows it's there !!!
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@@WhatDadIsUpTo Write them a letter?
@116thcrazy
Hey, that's a terrific idea. I'm 75, live about 7 states away and like I said somewhere else, the property has likely been sold and resold over the past nearly 60 years.
If you would be so kind as to provide me the current Owner's name and mailing address, I'll fire off that letter. Great idea!
The gravel and sand will still cause problems in wearing the turbine runner and nozzles quickly, if you don't improve the intake. Ideally, a coanda effect screen intake designed with an accelerator plate leading onto the screen, making sure the water is doing at least 1m/s across the screen, keeps any solids suspended higher in the flow and only clean water is sliced through the screen. When designed well, with enough bypass flow, coanda screens should be self-cleaning. While the wedge-wire in the screen is not cheap, the overall cost can be reduced by making the screen housing yourself. Never hear anyone complaining about the cost after they are installed, as they are so low maintenance.
Build a flow over dam and take the water into the penstock at the half way point between the surface and the bottom...
the gravels all fall to the bottom of the pond...
the sticks and leaves all float over the top of the dam.
I removed my coanda screen intake, after 18 years of use, as it was a always a bit of a hassle to keep it "happy" with precisely the right amount of flow, as I don't have the luxury of a proper coffer dam or accelerator (?) plate, it's just positioned directly under a culvert! It also had moss or some kind of fungus that had to be sandblasted off every few weeks during the summer, if not the delivered flow would drop off. I replaced it with a simple steel trough, 4' long x 12" wide, with stainless 1/4" mesh on top, it's on a slight downhill incline. It's worked great for 2 months now, full delivery 24/7, total cost about $100.00. 147' of head, 3" line, 33 amps @ 26 VDC, grid tied, via an Outback 3500 watt inverter, with an additional 1500 watts of solar to the same inverter. I was off grid for 28 years, due to no powerlines to my old place, now, on my new 70 acres, I am grid tied, with a simple net metering system, so I don't waste a single watt with fully charged batteries! I get every watt back I produce, no matter how long ago. Being off grid is great, if you HAVE TO BE.
Wish I had a nice stream like that near my land. That's really valuable, in more ways than one.
If I ever win the lottery, this is exactly what I'd do with some of the money. I'd buy property with an ample year round water source that originates on the property. That way nobody upstream could divert your water source. Then I'd sink millions upon millions into solar and hydroelectric infrastructure. As well as installing a huge sand battery for heating and power storage. I wouldn't care what it cost me. When it was done, It wouldn't matter what time of day, month, or climate pattern. I'd still produce enough power to supply half the county that I was living in. The outside world would be so insignificant that not even Thanos could snap his fingers and affect me.
Why would anyone buy land without water? If you want to go offgrid then go where you have land and water and space to do what you want. And no idiots coming along to tell you what is right and wrong like me.
@@kennethkeen1234 My land has plenty of water, so much that I would never have to worry about drinking water. I just don't have a nice fast-running stream like this person has.
Great neighbours makes life easier and happier.
Isn't that his brother? And niece?
Amazing for these folks to get that much power from you and your family Jeff, Rose and family!! Love it!!
Can't wait to do Hydro eventually at our new place! Already planning a giant conduit run in our foundation for it too. Also can't wait to see the GasifierGaserator Part 3!
It would be an honor! Definitely on the bucket list to visit
Your Hydro Power project looks like the villian in the Spiderman Movie...😁😁😁
Another nice additional power added to your off-grid.
Doc OC!
what a happy bunch of people. good to see
Bunch of people is wrong. Bunch of flowers. Anything that comes in groups can be called a bunch. Humans don't come in bunches. Never ever. How would ya lik ta cee my speek in englis al de tyme?
it wud get an ye fackin nerfs or nat?
wel dat is wat ye fuckin wankos do al de tyme. jeez hoo cars? is eazzy ta lern an 4 de bumboz is fein.
Brilliant to be off-grid what a dream. And now your daughters are pipefitters, what can't your family do.😊
It's SO beautiful there
Perfect upgrade! 👍that high power stream is good to drive the generator. Julia is also good on mechanic tools😊👍
Lookin good , never underestimate a few watts thats consistent. Time flies and battery's are easily over charged . 5 6 7 hundred watts consistent is way better than 2 to 3 k of solar in a day plus draining batteries every night , I would like to point out that keeping the 3 phase run up to the house is more efficient. Easily rectified before the charge controller.
Not knocking what you got , Iv done the same . It works , you know the numbers you adjust .
Theres living and living well
Awesome setup, and cool video.
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thats some crazy water pressure there awasome
We love watching your videos , you are brilliant , your daughters likewise !!
I'LL BE UP IN MICHIGAN IN ABOUT 3 WEEKS ! GOING TO HANG OUT WITH THE C.E.O. OFF FORD PERFORMANCE !!! LOL 😂 !!! LOVE YOU GUYS !!!! KEEP DIGGING BRO AND FAMILY !!!!
Thanks for sharing!! ❣❤❣
Loved this one
"I am like in like the eye of the storm", everyone knows Jeff IS the storm...
I have been thinking about sand batteries lately. For systems like hydro, wind and solar, when they have maxed out their battery charge, they need to expel their power somewhere, which is often in big resistors, that turns power into heat. That is perfect for a sand battery, which is a very large mass of sand, that uses a resistive heater, it turn power into heat, that a sand battery is very good at taking in and hold over long periods of time. Seems like if you dig out a really big hole, dropped a large diameter culver pipe to the bottom, maybe 5, 8 or even 10 foot in diameter, then filled up around it with the dirt from the hole and fill it with whatever special sand is required, (obviously including whatever electronics are required, which I understand are pretty simple), you got yourself a good long term store of extra power or heat. Whatever is most valuable to you in the moment.
issue is retrevin the energy
Unless u use it for heat its not goo
Very cool. I'd be constantly worried about a spring thaw, an especially fast one, turning that water, which is very fast moving now, into a raging river which ends up trashing the hydro system. I'd probably invest the time to build up a rock wall around the turbine, so basically build a little harbor for it.
Take it all up the bank by at least 5 metres......or above whatever "high tide mark" any previous flood has left as a marker?
Nice! Cool video!
Amazing answer - helps the whole world improve. Jesus we just love yank comments.
@@kennethkeen1234Geez. Don't you ever have anything nice to say? I bet you're a blast at parties. 😅
That extreme close up face was really extreme Jeff!
With that nozzle setup you could sluice the banks.
Powerful.
Great video and good end results 🇳🇿❤️
Love it been a electrician for a long time and this is truly amazing 😊 could a small debrse neet help also 😊 appropriate y'all sharing such a wonderful story 🙏
yall be rite na.
me nos wha ye cee bat is al beta wen ya spek in a lango wat is nown. or is ya a dumo?
@@kennethkeen1234Quit being a 🍆
Good job 👏 👍 👌
Would have been the perfect Titanic seen 💕 rose I can't feel my legs but looks at the power 🤧 lol 🤣 really appreciate y'all sharing such a wonderful story 🙏
"Y'all" is substandard and not needed here. "You" is easier - but you want to be different and screw the language up for new learners of English.
@@kennethkeen1234Grammar police! 🙄
All those adjustments with the nozzles and magnet levels - I was wishing that you had shown the residual water pressure at each step, because that’s a good representation of how much energy there is left in the water.
Great machines! Don’t get hung up on free-wheeling with those specs. At 15psi, the nozzle velocity is simply not fast enough to cause high voltage damage. You don’t want constant free-wheeling because of the extra duty on the bearings, but nothing is going to burn up. My system is nearly identical (31’ head, 4x 7/8” nozzles over winter. 600+ watts.)
32,000 views should be 32,000+ likes too.
❤ watching now ❤ beautiful people ❤ love ❤
Remember that every sag in the penstock will hold some gravel ready to jam a nozzle or obstruct the turbine whenever the gravel is disturbed.
Awesome good job 🙋😃💖💕👍
i really enjoy your videos mr. offgrid jack black :D
2 × I WATCHED THIS VIDEO !!! KEEP DIGGING BRO AND FAMILY !!!
The difference between the 560W calculated and 460W displayed might be due to two effects:
1) If the DC is noisy, then the bandwidth of the measuring device or if the device is measuring average or true RMS (Even of the DC amount)
2) you might have some phase difference between the current and voltage devices, even thoug it's DC the ripple might be causing this.
You'd need a proper true RMS power meter to calibrate the MPPT converter's display.
If the MPPT likes to O/C the input thinking it's a solar, then you'd need to dump power for a hydro input to keep the turbine loaded, you have the power dumping relays, so you could setup the MPPT to target a voltage above the load shedding devices. All pretty interesting :)
Yea You are a cavitating With four nozzles, really 2 should be enough you would think, I love the idea I have a Brooke 30 feet from my house and about 60 below micella I wish I could get that flow I will try it at my house I even put a pond up by the house and thought about pumping it up and using the drop 12 inches one in sick1 foot drop equals 1 hp but anyway I love it
Fantastic! And beautiful spot too.
Dr Otto Octavias? 😊
LEE AND COOPER CEMETERY ! OLD TOWN FLORIDA !!!!
Quadruple turbines 🤯
15 psi in a 4" pip = 60 pond's per inch . nozzle perisher. good presser = 600 wats . tow turbines = Plus 400-wats Times tow 800 wats between them Less wear.
@19:19 we have enough micro plastic in our rivers and oceans already😮💨
I would think sizing the nozzles all the same then use the valves to tune for peak power would be the way to go. This way you could compensate for the hose connection header and different hose lengths / bends, putting the same flow pressure at each nozzle. Then you could eliminate any cavitation, which would increase the turbine RPM giving more power. I must warn you that I'm a retired engineer, so as an engineer, I'm sure we could improve on the design and make it where no one could afford one. I Like your videos; they make realize how much of life I missed out on living a corporate life.
Just can't imagine how much money I'm looking at in galvanized pipe.... wow.
I'm playing around with damming up my creek to put in a few turbines and water wheels to experiment with.
Fun to watch thank you.
@18:44 Yeah that is exactly why I wouldn't fully rely on this stuff and just going to use it for supplemental even if I ever get my system big enough to deal with the whole house I'd still keep my reg elec utilities just in case or if I was using something like a welder/plasma cutter. I work from home for a company and I can't miss work over junk inverters, I've heard so many people talk about them dying and I believe that at this point with the tech that most to all will crap out over full 24/7 duty.
If you need a welder...use a modern inverter one running off a portable 7kw generator.
Battery banks do not need to be high tech or high cost...you can use old second hand truck batteries in a bank.... if you have 24/7 replenishment from hydro...
any drain through the inverter is quickly replenished..
Modern name brand inverters like Vectron are reliable...if you keep in mind their limits.
You can't get V8 performance from a 2 cylinder engine...horses for courses...and galloping horses cost more than little ponies.
Want to see an 18 year old off grid system built and run on a shoestring?
See Marty T channel.....
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk I'll just use the grid for the high drain stuff. Yeah I do have a modern welder, not mag core, but inverter style. I don't own a 7kw genny lol, not going to bother with that.
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You Guys are Awesome 😊
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Hello everyone.
Very interesting and humorous video.
You are all very competent.
It would have been an honor to visit you but because of my disability this is unthinkable but you manage to feel very close to you.
I live in France but although there are beautiful regions, life and mentality and especially politics there make you gloomy.
All the best
Henry
Come and visit me with your disability - I'm a grumpy old fart who needs help. Get to 24800 and then scream out loud and I can come and collect you in my car. TVA is the place. In front of the station.
Bei dem Druck, könnt ihr es ja gleich als Feuerwehrschlauch nutzen. Wow!
Das sind yanky Penner - kann man nichts besseres erwarten.
Come visit the Philippines ❤
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Love the design of your jets! You said that adding the 4th jet reduced your output… may the nozzle jets need to change the angle of delivery? Instead of 90 degree angle try some 30 degree angles? Just a suggestion, I don’t know anything but GREAT VIDEO and thank you!😊 “you can flow or crash like water” ~Bruce lee
"Damn it feels good to be a gangster!" Hey Jeff, could two of the new turbines be wired together?
It would be better just to get a bigger turbine 😉
B4 the new assembly install a y screen that will trap large pebbles and sediment and you can install a dump valve
I was just thinking to myself about covering that system up somehow, to protect it from falling debris and such. Great system though, continuous flow no matter the wattage. Love ya'll ❤️
A smooth manifold would be nice, but just some wyes would help.
When measuring resistance, with a good meter you can short the leads and tell it to zero out. So then it just shows the extra resistance. Surprised you're using DC over a long distance though.
So is the water on your land or can anyone use the water that way? What will keep it from freezing the water flow force? U guys...are so smart!!!❤
Quick tip, if you want to zero out, your test leads put them together and push the “REL”button on your meter. I use it all the time it works great. Also, something else you might want to be aware of. Is that your DC amp clamp on might not be accurate. I don’t know about the brand that you have, but I have a fluke DC clamp on at work and our Calibration Tech can never get it to calibrate correctly. He says DC clamp ons in general are only good for quantitative measurements not qualitative which is just another way of saying they are inaccurate.
Go Gettem Team
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I would call the tech support for that MPPT. I have a feeling that it is just not configured properly. Give their support line a call and see if they can get it working correctly.
Thanks a Stack ... I actually just 'Stumbled Upom' this Great vidclip ... An 'Observation' .... Shouldn't your 'Clean-Out' by at the Bottom of that 'Manifold' ... ????? One would want to be able to drop any 'Pebbles / Dirt' out from the lowest Point .... Also maybe have a bit of 'Dirt Chambers' .... An Large Extention to the 'Manifold' where the 'Debris' can collect without going into the 'Nossle Lines' .... Best to ALL from ChCh, NZ
you have gold in them gavils good size nugget too
If solids got into your old turbine, then they will get into your new turbine. With the new Turgo wheel you have, the solids should not cause blockages, but there will be significant turbine cup and jet erosion. I suggest you add a solids removal system up at the water intake.
I don’t disagree, but I wonder how long will the turgo last? If it lasts a couple years, it may be far cheaper and easier than building an intake structure. What do think?
Are you installing a dump bin for future gravel and mud?
i think i saw gold with thoses pebbles ! You should go take another look ;)
That creek just screams “I’m full of Gold!!”
@@Gridlessness Jeff. if you want gold then write to me. I'll educate you and you can take home the gold. My name alone is gold.
Ask any Japanese person. Dozo yoroshko.
Laminar flow is probably important to prevent cavatation.
Wow… where did you guys steal the creek from?? I dont remember there being a stream round yer place with that much flow?
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With that hydro pressure you could set up your own gold strip mining. Probably shouldn't have said that as gold crazy as you are jeff.
That looks amazing but I want to know if you’ve ever looked for gold in that creek/stream? It looks beautiful 🤗
Texas
Alaska is where the gold is. And I have a heap in my river too.
OK Kris Haber designed a nosily in stales & bras that are adjustable. check him out from small to larger. ,
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I always said to the wife i regret not doing something like you have done
But now at 62 and body shot it's to late now well done
to you and family for what you all have accomplished over the year's I've noticed the chick have turned to hens and are leaving one by one
on there own adventurers ps build a good sturdy steps for getting up and down
the Embankment why you are still young
burn the logs so they last years
at 8:22 . its really cool to see how high the water shoots up. I bet its pretty close to the head height. Can you confirm?
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3:05 Apollo Valves.
It's not gravel, it's gold - but it's not that important... 🖖
You need a “de-sander” to drop out your sand and gravel just like the large hydro plants do in turbid water bodies.
First sensible comment on the page. The rest are just micky mouse home steaders.
@@kennethkeen1234 Thanks Kenneth
I’m curious why Paul didn’t wire the machine for high voltage 3-phase given the existing wire run and the distance. We run 12ga wire ~650’ with about 1% - 2% line loss at 600w.
Looks like they need a wedgewire hydro sceen at the intake. Mine screens down to 1mm
A lot of rocks and boulders on that hill , in heavy rain or with heavy snow and ice these can get lose and destroy the pipe and turbine . Maybe building some sort of heavy duty retaining wall that reflect the incoming .
And using wood for a base.....that won't last long. Jeff knows this and it is all provisional just to test the system. To do it properly a few bags of concrete would be smart - but then people in America don't know whta concrete is - bricks is another item which is missing and wooden huts are fine if you don't mind building a new hut every ten years, or season if you are in the windy creek.
I laugh when I see the factories blown to smithereens in USA - how can anyone be so dumb to build something to put valuables in and protect it with cardboard and plywood?
@@kennethkeen1234What's with the typo, Mr. Perfect? 😯 You misspelled the word 'what.' Oh my stars! The world is going to end now. 😂
excellent work, vsi on my video at minute 2 you see the flow rate table of my injectors
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14:40 I think he means Spiderman, and Otto Octavius
Could you have more than one to get more power
I have so many idears
You need a year of school. Learn the numbers first.
@@kennethkeen1234🤡
I think you'd be better off with an inverter at the generator.
It sounds like you also need a load which is easy enough just throw Barn heater on it
Did you check for gold in the material that came out of the pipe?.....
That stream never floods?
Build a teaching retreat area and sell time blocks
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With that much water flow you should go for a big peltor turbine with 10 inch pipe or bigger, maybe 7,5hp, around 5kwh
5kWh? You know a lot about the world! 7,5 Hewlett Packard. Sure man we is yanks an we is the bestest.
@@kennethkeen1234 What? I Dont understend
I like to watch hunting with your kids...sir,
looks like a gold catcher instead?
whats is wronw with you?
2425 when measurements are made at the alternator, a Loaded condition must be simulated somehow. if it is not, the output amps will measure falsely higher.