Bein an old timer, I didn't realize Mossberg made a 395 in the 3-1/2" chamber especially since they only made 2-3/4" & 3" shells back then...just maybe it kicked so much because you forced the 3-1/2" shell up into the forcing cone about 1/2"...lucky all you got was a bust in the cheek! Check your chambering...Be safe! HTH👍
@@henryturnerjr3857 polychoke has been around a long time, and most likely sold on that gun when new, but I'm quite sure the chamber is only for 2-3/4" & 3" but not the 3-1/2"! Forcing that shell up into the forcing cone of the barrel will greatly increase the pressure... leading to catastrophic failure. Just lucky is all I'm saying
That Winchester ammo is not a recommended load from Winchester. they recommend 4, 5 or 6 shot for Turkey. and those loads are based on 35 & 40 yard shots,
I've built turkey guns with the evolution of the ammo. From chilled to copper plated to hevi to tss shot. Back in the day would I had given $20 for 10 extra yrds. Yes! Most of us would. I built for 70yrds. Only used 40-50 yrds of that. It was a hobby and I enjoyed it. Now tss in these sub guages wakes them UP! I'm currently running a 28" 410. I'm built for 40yrds but my last 8 birds has been inside of 20yrds. I've been playing with the 28ga this yr. Its the nastiest bore I've shot. Its just evil! Now is it cheap? Nope. But hey I'm not dove hunting with it either. 2 shots I'm done for the year. I'm not out here on a budget or to prove how cheap I can harvest a turkey. I've seen guys gripe about cost while they drive a $80,000 truck hooked to a $70,000 boat.
I never would have thought any more than 5 pellets would that far. Now, I'll never take a 100 yr shot at a turkey, but its impressive to see the TSS reach out that far
Watching from the UK, I've never seen a bolt action 12 gauge or an adjustable choke that can be modified like that one. Very interesting, good content, and although TSS is way more expensive than lead I think for Game its worth it. You can shoot no9 with the same punch as no5 in lead.
So fyi i noticed and I think that old mossberg only came in 3 inch and tss is 3 1/2. you would be over pressure for that old thing. And the tungsten shot is harder and heavier then steel and can damage cokes that are not rated for it.
@@WHOTEEWHO It's not the shotgun we are worried about getting damaged, it's you. The 3 1/2" shell may chamber but when it is fired and the crimp is pushed open it should open into the larger chamber not the smaller barrel bore. It creates a partial blockage and can send pressures soaring. You almost had a pipe bomb blow up 6" from your face. Try this, take the fired hull and try to put it back into the gun. If it won't chamber fully when the crimp is fully opened you are in danger.
I think the real selling point of TSS is in .410 and 20 Gauge more so than 12 in my opinion. A lot of turkey hunting is done at much closer ranges, 50 yards max or so at least in my experience and those who do it far more often than me. The .410's put down good patterns at 40 yards easily, the 20 gauges can do so out to 60 and even 70 yards. Where as with 12 gauge, loads like Longbeard XR from Winchester have been doing 45-60 yard shots for years already and much cheaper prices. When I saw the .410 and 20 gauges going out as far as they did, I always said you could probably take the 12's out to100 yards with a respectable pattern and this confirms it. Though if you're going to shoot a turkey that far, I'd say take a rifle and go for a headshot if it was permitted where you live. Still, proves that the remarks about how far they can pattern are all very true.
If people are able to buy tungsten that’s great. I’ve had a gobbler within six feet of my shotgun barrel. Just wish people would learn what the thrill of the hunt really is. I do enjoy watching the videos though!
I got some 12 ga. 3 inch Turkey mags about 30 years ago. Shot them in my Savage 12 ga. single shot. The shotgun was a Savage, but those rounds were SOB's! I've never experience such heavy recoil! Buckshot wasn't nearly as bad as those shells. It made me dread squeezing the trigger! Funny thing is that I have 4 rounds of that stuff left, and have NO desire to ever fire one again.
I can now speak from experience, a friend of mine talked me into buying TSS Shells and I’m glad I did. I got my first Turkey this season. A Mature Tom Rio 🦃 20lbs. 10.5” Beard and 11/4” Spurs. I called them and they got hung up on the other side of a Pond 57 yards away. At the shot that Ole Tom cut a flip like he’d been hit by a Truck. I’m sold on TSS Shot now.
Lol the supermarket comment mad me laugh. Kind of like when I take my boys fishing. We stop at the supermarket and buy some fish on the way home because usually the only thing biting when we go are the mosquitos 😃
Great video.Thats one bad shotgun round.Might be good for geese too.Not sure how old that shotgun is but my dad had one just like it back in the early 70s.I loved it and wish i still had it.Sure brings back some good memories and makes me miss my dad.
My father used the HeviShot #6 in 07 or 08. He dropped a gobbler at 77 steps. He was 6'4". The pellets penetrated the bird high on the breast and neck. Found pellets near the spine.
I think that if you really want to see a nice, consistent turkey pattern, it would be WELL worth getting a turkey choke for your weatherby shotgun and shooting the tss with that setup. I like the tss shells, but I still stick with the $20 winchester longbeard xr shells which pattern great out to at least 60yds
Nice shotgun. I still have a Marlin 55 Goose Gun bolt action, 36" barrel, 12 GA. It may be a 3" chamber - haven't even touched it in about 15 years. Age unknown; I've had it since @ 1988. Only shot crows and pigeons 2 1/2 oz is a lot of lead at 1000 fps moving downrange.
Most turkies are killed around 40 yards or closer anyhow. The TSS certainly seems to have advantages for .410's and 20 gauges on extending ranges. The 12 gauge, I never saw it as needed but was always interesting to see how far it could go with the TSS loads.
@@mrhamburger6936 I can't say it surprised me. But I was expecting the pattern at 100 to be a bit wider. That said, just imagine what some of those extra full turkey chokes can do. Saw some of them in use when people were testing the 20 gauge, out to around 35 yards, patterns were so tight it looked like slug hit the paper. Out to 50, looked like some 25 yard shots with full chokes using buckshot do. Really is good stuff.
@@mrhamburger6936 I know Savage with their Stevens 301 in .410 has a purpose built choke optimized for the TSS loads as do their 12 and 20 gauge models. Have yet to see them tested though.
I missed this tonight thanks to a bad wreck on the interstate...bad enough I left the highway and took a two track over the mountain, funny thing is a lot of cars must have seen the two track on an app or a map because cars that shouldn't be on this road were. We'll see all y'all tomorrow.
At a hundred yards they both impress the hell out of me. I figured you'd had to use an 8-foot diameter Target at that distance to get an accurate reading.
Ouch 60 bucks for 5. I've found them here for 35 a box. Must be some major price gouging there. I just pick up a 100 round box of the Winchester universal you just shot for 25 bucks at Wal-Mart. Got them so i can take my boy too shoot trap.
Yeah those 100rd bulk Winchester shot shells are now 38$ here and the federal is about 30$. Federal is much better anyways but they both used to be 23$
The way we test our shotgun shell's is with plastic milk jugs. Set the milk jug at 100 yards shoot the jug and see how far it scoots and count how many shots actually go out the back side. It's also a good way to test different guns.
I just started watching this video, and am not close to halfway through it, but if you get tss, and it doesn't dramatically out perform anything that isn't tss, then you aren't even coming close to having the right setup. I'm not a fan of Federal of any kind but know guys that love them. What I do like is an Apex #9 1-5/8 oz. through an Indian Creek .562 shot from a Remington 870 youth model. 10" circle at 40 yards, I get 340s every time. The Apex Turkey Ninja, which is a #8.5 shot size, and still get 290 in a 10" at 40 yards. Plus it gives the added knock down as well as 1175 fps. I have no desire to shoot a bird at 50+ yards, but on public land it doesn't always work out the way I'd like. That said, both of those loads are guaranteed at 60
100 yards sound interesting , will watch tomorrow . It's not easy for me understand US 12 gauge loads. Here in italy we have basically 4 choices, Slug , "maremmana" which consists in 2 heavy balls in line , used for hogs, buckshots or large pellets and small pellets for birds.
Tss good for long range. But cheap #4 in 3 inch lay down with in 60 yards. Not where should be shooting them at. Watch run the 3 1/2 shells in your 3 inch gun all bc chamber dose mean good thing turn gun into pipe boom if steel is week or it over expands in forcing cone like some else said
Was impressed with mine with a turkey choke., but my box of the same stuff was 30 something for 7 shot. Huge difference! Furthest for for me was 60 yards with my bow and arrow!
Two and a half ounces of shot? No wonder it popped you a good one in the chops. The original 8 gauge black powder loads only used 2 ounces of shot, just for comparison.
12 bucks for a shell is a goddamn joke no matter how good they are. That gun looks exactly like my CZ 452 rimfire, very unusual :D Thanks for the vid, bro.
I used to pattern my shotguns with different loads from 25 to 45 yards for Turkey hunting. Grouse I would draw a milk jug size target on cardboard. At 30 yards pull up quickly and fire to see where and what my pattern was. If I recall right #4 and #6 shot was usually the best with most shotguns I tried. 5 I'm 90% sure did poorly in most shotguns. 3 inch held better pattern because 3 ½ smoke ringed or blew the center of the pattern out. Course this was 10 years ago and things change. Testing was done with Mossberg 835 factory full and Hastings custom choke. Remington Turkey gun my buddy owned and a couple more. I ended up using Winchester Supreme #6 and Federal #4. It was impressive how many shot that 835 with a Hastings choke could put into a Tom's head at 35 to 45 yards. Mush any closer.
Tungsten has about twice the density of Lead, so 2 oz of Tungsten, assuming the same shot size, has about 1/2 the number of pellets for the same weight of Lead shot. Steel shot, being lighter than Lead, has a greater amount of pellets for the same weight.
And, as much as I love to Turkey hunt I would go buy a couple of Turkeys at Kroger before I'd pay $60 for a small number of shotgun shells! My money is just too hard to come by! I thought the same the other day when you bought that .243 ammunition. I just couldn't do it! Will have to stay with my 30-30 or 30-06 when using a rifle. I Really wanted a nice .338 one time(long ago) then saw the cost of the ammo. That ended that deal...Fast.
Loved the video....was surprised that any pellets hit from the light load. Is the Mossberg a 3 and a half incher?, I dunno....mine wasn't but it was many years ago. Still, haven't seen a polychoke for 30 years. Maybe there is some better choke that would make the TSS a 100 yard turkey gun. Keep up the good work, thanks for posting. Let's do 200 yards. (:
Last year I went to get a box or two of turkey shells and was shocked at the price of TSS. I remember about 3 years ago buying a box of 5 for about $27. Still not the greatest deal but much better than it is now.
Can’t imagine comparing a 7.5 (dove load) to TSS and thinking they would be anywhere close at that range. Buy “cheapy” #4 or #5 heavy load high brass and compare them both around 60yds. Probably a much better comparison than a dedicated Turkey load versus a dove load…IMO. Naturally the TSS should win though.
@@tarstakars on February 9th of 2021 I bought Winchester Super-X Turkey Loads Shotshells - 3" - #5 Shot for $10.99 a box at Bass Pro Shops online. I'd like to see something like this turkey load compared to TSS
I really like the tss 9s. It's just flattened turkeys for me at further than I like to shoot. Also, we have eagles around and I don't want to feed them lead filled post dressing leftovers.
what I was surprised at was that mossberg bolt action shotgun being chambered for 3 1/2 inch mag with a ploy choke, I seen those guns around back in the late 1960's and 1970's, I never seen one chambered 3 1/2 I never seen or remember 3 1/2 shells in 12ga 10ga yes.
Got to love bolt action shotguns. I got a Mossburg 183 .410 and a 190 in 16 I use for turkey and squirrel. Works just as good as any 12, I mostly run 4 shot but I can kind of see the appeal of the smaller shot
I’d like to see you take the Mossburg 395kb and test rifled slugs for smooth bore at 100 yards. I would like to see if slugs out of it just print all over the place or if fairly good groups can be achieved. I may want to slug hunt some whitetails this year.
I swear by either the long beard XR 3 1/2” #6 or the Winchester supreme 3 1/2” #6. Both great turkey loads. #4-#6 are the go-to’s. Anything over #6 is too small and anything under #4 is too big with not that many projectiles
First, bought a Remington 1100 with a Herter's poly choke.. great patterns with all chokes, problem was, they were all 6 inches left and 8 inches low. Installation obviously off, cut the choke off, shoots right on the money.. Obviously, yours was put on correctly. Second, who shoots turkeys' at 100 yards in the woods ? Here in the Pocono's of Pa you can't even see 100 yards in the woods... Love the concept though..
the 3 1/2 tss has 2 1/2 ounces of shot and the 2 3/4 shell has 1 1/8 oz of shot big diffrence in shot plus the tss is high brass vs low brass more powder in the tss . its not a good comparison. and you know i love you videos . try shooting some winchester cheap turkey loads from walmart there like 5 to 9 dollars a box . again love your videos
If you want to shoot that far you need to try the Winchester long beard xr with an extra full choke. Not that you should ever need to shoot a turkey that far but those can do it. Try putting your arm on the paper with your wrist fully bent and your thumb and fingers together then trace it. Nice way to make a tom head and neck target for free
You also need to take into account the penetration as to what will kill a turkey at that distance....a TSS #9 shot will penetrate almost 2" at 70 yards....enough to kill a turkey if shot in the head/neck....and lead 7 low brass cheap shell will only penetrate a half inch, not enough...the pattern is so dense as you have 700-800 pellets vs 300 in the cheap shells.....many people I know use 3 inch magnum 2 ounce #6 lead as a first shot ($3 loads typically good to 35 yards) then back it up with a 3 inch TSS #9 as a 2nd shot (12 load good to 70 yards)....the power of TSS is a #9 will penetrate enough to kill at 70 yards and give you 700 pellets to fill the pattern....they are just so darn expensive, so we try and only use them when really needed....
Very interesting test. It would have been even better if we could tell how much 'boogie' as you say... that the pellets still had at that range (when I am shooting rounds that are either fairly expensive or very rare) I usually try to get all the information that I can out of the tests...to include ballistics, targets that will best demonstrate the projectiles ballistic limits and capture blocks to show residual energies and recover the projectiles...when possible. Twelve dollars a round for production run ammunition would likely qualify, but if it makes you feel any better I have on a few occasions tested collector's cartridges (like a box of them) that I later found out were 50 - 100 dollars a round...needless to say, it was a learning experience. Just out of curiosity, how would you say that those 12 gauge TSS loads when shot offhand would compare with your .500 Jeffrey and it would be really nice to see a penetration comparison between the Jeffrey full metal jacket rounds and the .50 bmg! I have done a ton of reloading for the .50 bmg and have 600gr. Woodleigh bullets that I could send you if you are interested. Actually, I have moved on from the .50 bmg to a wildcat .50/416 that I designed that is very close to the .500 Jeffrey in terms of case capacity (it's also comparable to the .460 Weatherby necked up to .510 without the belt). In a 32" barrel several loads were able to exceed 11,000 ft. lbs. before running into excessive (but warm) pressures! With the 750gr. PPI projectiles the energies were even higher with acceptable pressures but the recoil was literally beyond what would be safe in a normal gun without a good muzzle brake (which I try to avoid due to the insufficiency of both plugs and muffs). As always thanks for your excellent channel and keep your powder dry!
Bein an old timer, I didn't realize Mossberg made a 395 in the 3-1/2" chamber especially since they only made 2-3/4" & 3" shells back then...just maybe it kicked so much because you forced the 3-1/2" shell up into the forcing cone about 1/2"...lucky all you got was a bust in the cheek! Check your chambering...Be safe! HTH👍
After the shot and the shell opened it wouldn't eject or even completely exit the chamber. Lucky it didn't blow up in his face.
I was thinking that exact same thing. I didn't think they'd made a poly choke since way way before 3 and 1/2 shells
@@henryturnerjr3857 polychoke has been around a long time, and most likely sold on that gun when new, but I'm quite sure the chamber is only for 2-3/4" & 3" but not the 3-1/2"! Forcing that shell up into the forcing cone of the barrel will greatly increase the pressure... leading to catastrophic failure. Just lucky is all I'm saying
Have to agree I'm 32 . Yep. 3 1/2 should never be shot from 3 inch camber gun . Luckily did not turn into a pipbomb
I have the same gun an it's only chambered in 2³/⁴&3in
Who_Tee_Who : Let's shoot a .338 Lapua with a Red Dot from 10 yards!"
Also : " Let's shoot some cheap bird shot from 100 yards away!"
Lmao..he got ya on that one!
Hey, let’s shoot .338 with a $20 Red Dot and then the TSS at $12 per squeeze lol. Ya can’t beat this content...
TSS was definitely better than I had expected it to be at 100 yards
The 7 1/2 you used are for shooting dove and quail at around 30 to 40 yards
not worth $10+ a shell though, .50 bmg is cheaper than that.
@@MarkoDash I don’t own a shotgun or a 50 BMG but at that cost for ammo I’d take my chance with a 22
@Patrick Henry 7s & 9s in TSS have more than enough energy to break bones & skull.
Pretty impressive. Ngl. It's pretty impossible to find a turkey where I live so I understand why people take no chances with a 10$ round
That Winchester ammo is not a recommended load from Winchester. they recommend 4, 5 or 6 shot for Turkey. and those loads are based on 35 & 40 yard shots,
I didnt make the premier but i know 1 thing for sure....this is going to be a really fun video!
I'll spend my $ on another custom choke, and keep perfecting the calls!
I've built turkey guns with the evolution of the ammo. From chilled to copper plated to hevi to tss shot. Back in the day would I had given $20 for 10 extra yrds. Yes! Most of us would. I built for 70yrds. Only used 40-50 yrds of that. It was a hobby and I enjoyed it. Now tss in these sub guages wakes them UP! I'm currently running a 28" 410. I'm built for 40yrds but my last 8 birds has been inside of 20yrds. I've been playing with the 28ga this yr. Its the nastiest bore I've shot. Its just evil! Now is it cheap? Nope. But hey I'm not dove hunting with it either. 2 shots I'm done for the year. I'm not out here on a budget or to prove how cheap I can harvest a turkey. I've seen guys gripe about cost while they drive a $80,000 truck hooked to a $70,000 boat.
You might want to check the max shell length your shotgun takes. Back in my early 20's, All I know there's 2 3/4 and 3 inch hulls in 12 gauges
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More good stuff, from a good channel. Thanks again Who gods speed to ya 👍🇺🇸
The footage on your video with us, shows what the win. XX 3.5. Just at 50 yards. Love that bolt shotgun Who. 👍🇺🇸
I never would have thought any more than 5 pellets would that far. Now, I'll never take a 100 yr shot at a turkey, but its impressive to see the TSS reach out that far
They work great on coyotes with4 shot tss farthest was 70 yards
Watching from the UK, I've never seen a bolt action 12 gauge or an adjustable choke that can be modified like that one. Very interesting, good content, and although TSS is way more expensive than lead I think for Game its worth it. You can shoot no9 with the same punch as no5 in lead.
So fyi i noticed and I think that old mossberg only came in 3 inch and tss is 3 1/2. you would be over pressure for that old thing. And the tungsten shot is harder and heavier then steel and can damage cokes that are not rated for it.
Working with what I got. Not gonna pay for an expensive shotgun 🤣
@@WHOTEEWHO o I know my remington 1187 super mag was 1600$😵
@The Weapon Collection i know. But I wanted semiautomatic
@@WHOTEEWHO It's not the shotgun we are worried about getting damaged, it's you. The 3 1/2" shell may chamber but when it is fired and the crimp is pushed open it should open into the larger chamber not the smaller barrel bore. It creates a partial blockage and can send pressures soaring. You almost had a pipe bomb blow up 6" from your face. Try this, take the fired hull and try to put it back into the gun. If it won't chamber fully when the crimp is fully opened you are in danger.
That was surprising WTW! I did not expect that many pellets at that distance! Awesome video brother!🤘🏽
I think the real selling point of TSS is in .410 and 20 Gauge more so than 12 in my opinion. A lot of turkey hunting is done at much closer ranges, 50 yards max or so at least in my experience and those who do it far more often than me. The .410's put down good patterns at 40 yards easily, the 20 gauges can do so out to 60 and even 70 yards. Where as with 12 gauge, loads like Longbeard XR from Winchester have been doing 45-60 yard shots for years already and much cheaper prices.
When I saw the .410 and 20 gauges going out as far as they did, I always said you could probably take the 12's out to100 yards with a respectable pattern and this confirms it. Though if you're going to shoot a turkey that far, I'd say take a rifle and go for a headshot if it was permitted where you live. Still, proves that the remarks about how far they can pattern are all very true.
If people are able to buy tungsten that’s great. I’ve had a gobbler within six feet of my shotgun barrel. Just wish people would learn what the thrill of the hunt really is. I do enjoy watching the videos though!
Thanks for watching
I would not fire any more 3 1/2" shells in that 3" chamber. You could wind up eating that old Mossberg.
There is no purpose in a 3.5 inch chambering. They ALL pattern like trash compared to a 2.75" shell.
something to keep in mind is alot of state dont allow shot that small for turkeys and ur stuck shooting minimum #4 or #6 shot or bigger
A lot of states say #4 or smaller
I got some 12 ga. 3 inch Turkey mags about 30 years ago. Shot them in my Savage 12 ga. single shot. The shotgun was a Savage, but those rounds were SOB's! I've never experience such heavy recoil! Buckshot wasn't nearly as bad as those shells. It made me dread squeezing the trigger! Funny thing is that I have 4 rounds of that stuff left, and have NO desire to ever fire one again.
I can now speak from experience, a friend of mine talked me into buying TSS Shells and I’m glad I did. I got my first Turkey this season. A Mature Tom Rio 🦃 20lbs. 10.5” Beard and 11/4” Spurs. I called them and they got hung up on the other side of a Pond 57 yards away. At the shot that Ole Tom cut a flip like he’d been hit by a Truck. I’m sold on TSS Shot now.
That was a HUGE stark difference. Very impressive TSS rounds.
Surprised me
Lol the supermarket comment mad me laugh. Kind of like when I take my boys fishing. We stop at the supermarket and buy some fish on the way home because usually the only thing biting when we go are the mosquitos 😃
Great video.Thats one bad shotgun round.Might be good for geese too.Not sure how old that shotgun is but my dad had one just like it back in the early 70s.I loved it and wish i still had it.Sure brings back some good memories and makes me miss my dad.
My father used the HeviShot #6 in 07 or 08. He dropped a gobbler at 77 steps. He was 6'4". The pellets penetrated the bird high on the breast and neck. Found pellets near the spine.
Those 3.5 inch shells will eventually bust your wood stock in the lead sled.
If it kills at both ends, i don't shoot it.
I didn't realize that old gun would run 3.5" shells.
I think that if you really want to see a nice, consistent turkey pattern, it would be WELL worth getting a turkey choke for your weatherby shotgun and shooting the tss with that setup. I like the tss shells, but I still stick with the $20 winchester longbeard xr shells which pattern great out to at least 60yds
Nice shotgun. I still have a Marlin 55 Goose Gun bolt action, 36" barrel, 12 GA. It may be a 3" chamber - haven't even touched it in about 15 years. Age unknown; I've had it since @ 1988. Only shot crows and pigeons
2 1/2 oz is a lot of lead at 1000 fps moving downrange.
Hundred yards is pushing it pretty close for turkey loads they usually tell you up to 75 yards and then you have to have a turkey choke
Most turkies are killed around 40 yards or closer anyhow. The TSS certainly seems to have advantages for .410's and 20 gauges on extending ranges. The 12 gauge, I never saw it as needed but was always interesting to see how far it could go with the TSS loads.
@@Predalien195 I'm surprised the two shells that he fired did that well got out that far polichoke and all
@@mrhamburger6936 I can't say it surprised me. But I was expecting the pattern at 100 to be a bit wider. That said, just imagine what some of those extra full turkey chokes can do.
Saw some of them in use when people were testing the 20 gauge, out to around 35 yards, patterns were so tight it looked like slug hit the paper. Out to 50, looked like some 25 yard shots with full chokes using buckshot do.
Really is good stuff.
@@Predalien195
They make a Choke that's supposed to work real well with those turkey loads
@@mrhamburger6936 I know Savage with their Stevens 301 in .410 has a purpose built choke optimized for the TSS loads as do their 12 and 20 gauge models. Have yet to see them tested though.
That gun is awesome. Super cool shot gun.
I missed this tonight thanks to a bad wreck on the interstate...bad enough I left the highway and took a two track over the mountain, funny thing is a lot of cars must have seen the two track on an app or a map because cars that shouldn't be on this road were. We'll see all y'all tomorrow.
The TSS were impressive at 100yds, good test WTW.
WOW 😳, now that was really amazing. Yea you can buy a Frozen 🥶 Turkey 🦃 at your grocery store, but that’s no fun.
At a hundred yards they both impress the hell out of me.
I figured you'd had to use an 8-foot diameter Target at that distance to get an accurate reading.
Ouch 60 bucks for 5. I've found them here for 35 a box. Must be some major price gouging there. I just pick up a 100 round box of the Winchester universal you just shot for 25 bucks at Wal-Mart. Got them so i can take my boy too shoot trap.
Yeah those 100rd bulk Winchester shot shells are now 38$ here and the federal is about 30$. Federal is much better anyways but they both used to be 23$
Glad nothing blew up on you. I would have never thought that TSS would do that good at 100yds.
Thanks for sharing that Adam. Steve from Australia.
I wonder if you had 3 1/2 inch shell 7.5 shot would make a difference?
The way we test our shotgun shell's is with plastic milk jugs. Set the milk jug at 100 yards shoot the jug and see how far it scoots and count how many shots actually go out the back side. It's also a good way to test different guns.
I just shoot regular high brass 3inch #4 bird shot. Winchester of course. And I'm always happy with regular old bird shot. Who-tee-who
Thanks for watching Tom
Try the Winchester xx #4 and the Winchester longbeard xr #4 the give federal tss a run for their money i promise itd be awesome content
Was going to suggest same but you beat me to it. 👍
Lobe the xx #4 run it my self in the 3 inch and 2 3/4 small game loads
I've actually kill turkeys Target Bird shot at about 20 yards out of a Mossberg 500 blackout duck hunting choke
I just started watching this video, and am not close to halfway through it, but if you get tss, and it doesn't dramatically out perform anything that isn't tss, then you aren't even coming close to having the right setup. I'm not a fan of Federal of any kind but know guys that love them. What I do like is an Apex #9 1-5/8 oz. through an Indian Creek .562 shot from a Remington 870 youth model. 10" circle at 40 yards, I get 340s every time. The Apex Turkey Ninja, which is a #8.5 shot size, and still get 290 in a 10" at 40 yards. Plus it gives the added knock down as well as 1175 fps. I have no desire to shoot a bird at 50+ yards, but on public land it doesn't always work out the way I'd like. That said, both of those loads are guaranteed at 60
100 yards sound interesting , will watch tomorrow . It's not easy for me understand US 12 gauge loads. Here in italy we have basically 4 choices, Slug , "maremmana" which consists in 2 heavy balls in line , used for hogs, buckshots or large pellets and small pellets for birds.
@@bowlofrice8 thank you , got it. It's because i'm not familiar with # numbers
Where you hunting that you can see turkeys at a hundred yards?
I know my polly choke is only rated for 2 ³/⁴" shells
I shot at a foam archery target with that cheapy Winchester at about 15 yards, most of the pellets didn't make it through the foam.
Most of the turkeys I have missed has been because they were too close
Thanks for this!!! I just got alot of the 100 rounds boxes. Cant wait to go out shooting this weekend!!!!
Tss good for long range. But cheap #4 in 3 inch lay down with in 60 yards. Not where should be shooting them at. Watch run the 3 1/2 shells in your 3 inch gun all bc chamber dose mean good thing turn gun into pipe boom if steel is week or it over expands in forcing cone like some else said
Is that gun even supposed to shoot 3,5 inch shells. What does it say on the barrel?
I've never tasted a turkey worth a face ache. The kick just WOW. Since I have back issues I'll just enjoy watching you.
Depends what I’m hunting. Turkey and waterfowl I buy the expensive shells for rabbits and others I use super cheap shells
Was impressed with mine with a turkey choke., but my box of the same stuff was 30 something for 7 shot. Huge difference! Furthest for for me was 60 yards with my bow and arrow!
What's Paul grinding on in there
That was very surprising. TSS did a lot better at 100 than I would have thought.
Dont forget that just like a rifle it's going to drop. I would at least aim 6 to 8 inches high to compensate drop. Great video
Seems #7 is a bit light for Goblers, usualy use #5, or #4. And did you have that chamber reemed for the 3 1/2" shells?
R U shooting 3.5 shells in a 3 inch chamber ?
Two and a half ounces of shot? No wonder it popped you a good one in the chops. The original 8 gauge black powder loads only used 2 ounces of shot, just for comparison.
12 bucks for a shell is a goddamn joke no matter how good they are. That gun looks exactly like my CZ 452 rimfire, very unusual :D Thanks for the vid, bro.
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I used to pattern my shotguns with different loads from 25 to 45 yards for Turkey hunting. Grouse I would draw a milk jug size target on cardboard. At 30 yards pull up quickly and fire to see where and what my pattern was. If I recall right #4 and #6 shot was usually the best with most shotguns I tried. 5 I'm 90% sure did poorly in most shotguns. 3 inch held better pattern because 3 ½ smoke ringed or blew the center of the pattern out. Course this was 10 years ago and things change. Testing was done with Mossberg 835 factory full and Hastings custom choke. Remington Turkey gun my buddy owned and a couple more. I ended up using Winchester Supreme #6 and
Federal #4. It was impressive how many shot that 835 with a Hastings choke could put into a Tom's head at 35 to 45 yards. Mush any closer.
Tungsten has about twice the density of Lead, so 2 oz of Tungsten, assuming the same shot size, has about 1/2 the number of pellets for the same weight of Lead shot. Steel shot, being lighter than Lead, has a greater amount of pellets for the same weight.
My personal favorite for the 100yd turkey is the mosin with a heavy ball russian surplus. Worked pretty well one day off the back porch
Unexpected results. Nice vid
I knew the Winchester wouldn’t do much at 100 yds, but that TSS was surprising
Surprised me too
Is that shotgun rated for 3 ¹/²" shells?
Nope
And, as much as I love to Turkey hunt I would go buy a couple of Turkeys at Kroger before I'd pay $60 for a small number of shotgun shells! My money is just too hard to come by! I thought the same the other day when you bought that .243 ammunition. I just couldn't do it! Will have to stay with my 30-30 or 30-06 when using a rifle. I Really wanted a nice .338 one time(long ago) then saw the cost of the ammo. That ended that deal...Fast.
Loved the video....was surprised that any pellets hit from the light load. Is the Mossberg a 3 and a half incher?, I dunno....mine wasn't but it was many years ago. Still, haven't seen a polychoke for 30 years. Maybe there is some better choke that would make the TSS a 100 yard turkey gun. Keep up the good work, thanks for posting. Let's do 200 yards. (:
Last year I went to get a box or two of turkey shells and was shocked at the price of TSS. I remember about 3 years ago buying a box of 5 for about $27. Still not the greatest deal but much better than it is now.
What is the pattern at 20 30 & 40 yards???
Great job sir! Thanks
Thanks for watching Adam
Definitely was surprised great video
Thanks for watching Cody!
Can’t imagine comparing a 7.5 (dove load) to TSS and thinking they would be anywhere close at that range. Buy “cheapy” #4 or #5 heavy load high brass and compare them both around 60yds. Probably a much better comparison than a dedicated Turkey load versus a dove load…IMO. Naturally the TSS should win though.
Did Federal really misspell Muzzle on those TSS's?
I guess so
I’ve got a beretta a300 outlander with a cheap primos tight wad choke that will flip a gobbler at 60yards with those federal loads.
I've taken 3 over 60 (62, 63, & 64 yards) using _Long Beard XR_ ammo. All one shot drops. Haven't tried any TSS.
Big differen, biggest difference one of those rounds hurts really bad when you shoot it and the other one doesn't
hey do those tungstun loads come with financing
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Maybe try some $10 a box (of 5) turkey loads versus TSS at a hundred yards.
10$ box? Not by me anywhere.....
@@tarstakars on February 9th of 2021 I bought Winchester Super-X Turkey Loads Shotshells - 3" - #5 Shot for $10.99 a box at Bass Pro Shops online. I'd like to see something like this turkey load compared to TSS
I was cheering for the underdog, but the winner was obvious. I have never turkey hunt, would love too but sadly we don’t have turkeys here.
I really like the tss 9s. It's just flattened turkeys for me at further than I like to shoot. Also, we have eagles around and I don't want to feed them lead filled post dressing leftovers.
Lol eagles should be fed lead alright....
Well done sir another good video
Appreciate you watching Joshua
Can't wait to see this
what I was surprised at was that mossberg bolt action shotgun being chambered for 3 1/2 inch mag with a ploy choke, I seen those guns around back in the late 1960's and 1970's, I never seen one chambered 3 1/2 I never seen or remember 3 1/2 shells in 12ga 10ga yes.
Got to love bolt action shotguns. I got a Mossburg 183 .410 and a 190 in 16 I use for turkey and squirrel. Works just as good as any 12, I mostly run 4 shot but I can kind of see the appeal of the smaller shot
I’d like to see you take the Mossburg 395kb and test rifled slugs for smooth bore at 100 yards. I would like to see if slugs out of it just print all over the place or if fairly good groups can be achieved. I may want to slug hunt some whitetails this year.
I use Heavy Shot Turkey 2 3/4" four's with a primos jelly head choke works good for me out to 70 yd.
Can you try Remington slugs vs Federal slugs
I swear by either the long beard XR 3 1/2” #6 or the Winchester supreme 3 1/2” #6. Both great turkey loads. #4-#6 are the go-to’s. Anything over #6 is too small and anything under #4 is too big with not that many projectiles
First, bought a Remington 1100 with a Herter's poly choke.. great patterns with all chokes, problem was, they were all 6 inches left and 8 inches low. Installation obviously off, cut the choke off, shoots right on the money.. Obviously, yours was put on correctly. Second, who shoots turkeys' at 100 yards in the woods ? Here in the Pocono's of Pa you can't even see 100 yards in the woods... Love the concept though..
the 3 1/2 tss has 2 1/2 ounces of shot and the 2 3/4 shell has 1 1/8 oz of shot big diffrence in shot plus the tss is high brass vs low brass more powder in the tss . its not a good comparison. and you know i love you videos . try shooting some winchester cheap turkey loads from walmart there like 5 to 9 dollars a box . again love your videos
Shooter;Ate some teeth...
Hillbilly in the background;you ok?
Shooter;broke my cheek...
Old video, but dude the kick on that tss made your cheek cramp up, I bet that would have knocked a smaller dude out 🤣
If you want to shoot that far you need to try the Winchester long beard xr with an extra full choke. Not that you should ever need to shoot a turkey that far but those can do it. Try putting your arm on the paper with your wrist fully bent and your thumb and fingers together then trace it. Nice way to make a tom head and neck target for free
I shot a bird at 93 yds with tss. There amazing
test the TSS 3/12 against the Hevi shot 3/12 mag blend .
That was a tight group for 100 yards. It surprised me.
Surprised me too
You also need to take into account the penetration as to what will kill a turkey at that distance....a TSS #9 shot will penetrate almost 2" at 70 yards....enough to kill a turkey if shot in the head/neck....and lead 7 low brass cheap shell will only penetrate a half inch, not enough...the pattern is so dense as you have 700-800 pellets vs 300 in the cheap shells.....many people I know use 3 inch magnum 2 ounce #6 lead as a first shot ($3 loads typically good to 35 yards) then back it up with a 3 inch TSS #9 as a 2nd shot (12 load good to 70 yards)....the power of TSS is a #9 will penetrate enough to kill at 70 yards and give you 700 pellets to fill the pattern....they are just so darn expensive, so we try and only use them when really needed....
Why didn’t you get 3 1/2 inch Winchester cheapies? 🇨🇦
Can't find any
The turkey shot could be good in 410 ?
Yup
Very interesting test. It would have been even better if we could tell how much 'boogie' as you say... that the pellets still had at that range (when I am shooting rounds that are either fairly expensive or very rare) I usually try to get all the information that I can out of the tests...to include ballistics, targets that will best demonstrate the projectiles ballistic limits and capture blocks to show residual energies and recover the projectiles...when possible. Twelve dollars a round for production run ammunition would likely qualify, but if it makes you feel any better I have on a few occasions tested collector's cartridges (like a box of them) that I later found out were 50 - 100 dollars a round...needless to say, it was a learning experience. Just out of curiosity, how would you say that those 12 gauge TSS loads when shot offhand would compare with your
.500 Jeffrey and it would be really nice to see a penetration comparison between the Jeffrey full metal jacket rounds and the .50 bmg! I have done a ton of reloading for the .50 bmg and have 600gr. Woodleigh bullets that I could send you if you are interested.
Actually, I have moved on from the .50 bmg to a wildcat .50/416 that I designed that is very close to the .500 Jeffrey in terms of case capacity (it's also comparable to the .460 Weatherby necked up to .510 without the belt). In a 32" barrel several loads were able to exceed 11,000 ft. lbs. before running into excessive (but warm) pressures! With the 750gr. PPI projectiles the energies were even higher with acceptable pressures but the recoil was literally beyond what would be safe in a normal gun without a good muzzle brake (which I try to avoid due to the insufficiency of both plugs and muffs).
As always thanks for your excellent channel and keep your powder dry!