As an adhd gamer who struggles keeping attention to guides, I gotta say yours was extremely well made. Kept it short and clear while still having a lot of useful information. Very well done, will definitely watch your ICC guides when it's time. :)
Good advice on the Penetrating Cold healing. However I still have to admit I panicked the first few times and didn't handle it particularly well and lost someone to PC that was my fault. 9:33 This is so true I can't even explain it, truly a unique feeling and that's why I love this game to this day.
If do happen to get PC cold as a disc priest it would be a good idea to use binding heal on your PC assignment or the tank very important to use on the last phase. Also it would not hurt to take fort buff off in phase 3 if your not the tank
Looking forward to doing a lot of Anub'arak so our DKs can get geared 😅 Jokes aside thanks Joardee! Wonder if we will ever be able to zerg 25m like 10m
Not directly but remember -- everyone is getting some form of passive healing, meant to compensate for leeching swarm (VE, healing stream, or just JoL for fast attackers). So if you shield, then that 'sticks' and eventually gets swarmed off -- so eventually, the shields do end up healing him.
Shield target 1, shield target 2, toss heals on tanks, flash target 1, flash target 2, heal tanks, flash PC targets as needed until the 18 seconds have elapsed.
i know that PW: shield heals a small amount with the glyph so... it is good to shield everyone on p3 or it is bad? shield doesnt count to boss heal right?
You don't want to shield everyone on phase 3 because all of the passive healing (Judgement of Light, Vampiric Embrace, Healing Stream Totem) will be constantly healing people up while the shield absorbs the damage, then when the shield busts, the boss will heal off all of that extra HP shielded targets gained while shields were absorbing.
Block sets are still good, but don't function like they did in 2009 or on private servers. Blizzard made up some change that never existed, affecting the block formula negatively. The add tanks will take considerable damage, even with only 2 adds on them, instead of full blocking every attack like in 2009. Makes an already stressful healer fight even more so. Thanks Blizz.
Hey chief, didn't know where to send this message so putting it on your most recent vid - I noticed in your recent stream (final Uld speed run) you had boss frames for Iron Council, would you mind sharing that WA? Would really appreciate it!
It is resistible and even recommended for Tanks to use Lesser Flask of Resistance in addition to NR helm and cloak enchants, to reduce the amount of healing you do to Anub
It's worth using an NR totem if you have the extra shaman in the raid, but other than tanks, there is not much reason to use NR. With the way the leech works, and how long the phase is, if you resist a portion of the damage on one tick, it'll just make the next tick larger than it would have been. You eventually take that damage. The reason it's still good on tanks is because they are constantly being healed to full. On a standard raid member, if it took 15 seconds to reach steady state (hovering around 500-1000hp) without NR, and 20 seconds to reach that same health threshold with NR, the same amount of healing has been done, just slower. If the phase was much faster, like between 15 and 20 seconds, then yes it would matter, but P3 is typically longer than a minute, so the same healing done 5 seconds later makes no difference, plus you've sacrificed something (dps/healing) to get that resist so you are killing the boss slower.
How is the enhancer healing Stream supposed to take care of a group If it does less than 250 hps? Is the enhancer supposed to take healing Stream glyph?
It's not enough by itself. The physical dps should be good enough with JoL and LotP heals, and affliction/demo warlocks heal themselves plenty. The main people you need to be concerned about are those who have no passive self healing, so balance druids, mages, and healers. Group those people with a shadow priest or resto shaman healing stream totem. Either one is enough by itself.
@@TheT0N1c They do heal via Fel Armor + JoL though it's not a lot (about 2/3 of what is needed). The main thing that sets them apart is taking less damage to begin with via Soul Link w/Master Demonologist (25% less dmg taken total). In my raid I do have them in the group with the balance and mages and shadow priest, but they could be fine without extra healing. Healthstone and Death Coil are available if health gets too low. It takes a long time to go from having used either of those back down to minimum leech health. Also a Disc Priest could shield them when they are around 300-500 hp and the shield would last 20-25 seconds before breaking, buying them all kinds of time.
@@Maxvla Leeching swarm is actually not reducable by 5% dmg modifiers, but I checked and Soul link works. So the Warlock only needs 180 hps. And your right fel armor and jol should cover that. jol uptime is one of the most important things on the fight I guess.
@@Sanaki131 are you familiar with what beacon does ? Or did you not read what I wrote ? Or do you know something I don’t that the MT somehow gets more healing than the beacon replicated heal target does ?
@@Crewheals you have to have consistent heals on all 3 Joardees excell sheet said 1 pal beacon each OT and heal MT My question is - is there a difference/downside to both beacon MT and heal OTs My assumption is that there is no difference and it’s just preference on beacon assigns
Ideally no glyph. There is a strat that can use GoHL but it's not optimal and extends the final phase by canceling out raid dps done with all of that excess healing.
I heard that mortal strike doesn't do anything in phase 3 to prevent the healing since it is a "leech" type heal. Anyone able to confirm if MS works? My guild seems convinced it doesn't.
what is a "leech" type heal lol. Mortal strike reduces healing done in general, that includes health regen,potions,flat healing,hots etc even this "leech" type heal youre talking about.
Enh. Shamans shouldn't use FERAL SPIRIT IN P3. Because of the healing they do it's a net dps negative to raid damage on the boss. Spec into fire nova totem glyph for more cleave on the adds.
Can't stand when people say healing parses are cringe.....like what? It's the only thing to do in the game. Yea let's kill the same boss for the 120th time SO FUN! Get over urself bro healing parsing is only reason to play game past prog or week 1 clearing. Also healers are last prio for gear so we definitely don't play for the loot.
As an adhd gamer who struggles keeping attention to guides, I gotta say yours was extremely well made. Kept it short and clear while still having a lot of useful information. Very well done, will definitely watch your ICC guides when it's time. :)
Good advice on the Penetrating Cold healing. However I still have to admit I panicked the first few times and didn't handle it particularly well and lost someone to PC that was my fault.
9:33 This is so true I can't even explain it, truly a unique feeling and that's why I love this game to this day.
high quality guide , as expected from Joardee , thank you
Thank you so much Joardee for the Guide and the whole Crusader Academy Series ❤ Another Awesome Video!
Great as always
Very good guide, thank you homie
thanks alot for the effort you puting into ❤️
This was the fight that my raid grp called "Healer Therapy" back in the day.
Hi -may I know the add on that shows the shadow strike casting?
If do happen to get PC cold as a disc priest it would be a good idea to use binding heal on your PC assignment or the tank very important to use on the last phase. Also it would not hurt to take fort buff off in phase 3 if your not the tank
"1 minute and 25 seconds into the fight."
Nax Bosses: Wait, y'all last that long?
can you share the healing weak aura?
Was the "DO NOT DO THIS" for the healing you were doing in the video, or your disc priest tip?
He was doing pw shields on other targets than his assignment, pretty sure that's why he wrote that
@@SuperChristopheM Yep, just focus on your assignment (typically 2PC as Disc + misc tank heals, or 1 PC as other healers + tank healing).
Yeah as the other repliers said - that clip was from before I understood how PWS worked, I now know and WONT BE DOING THAT!
@@Joardee Make sense, thanks. Btw why shouldn't Discs be throwing shields?
@@StandardisedTest With the Glyph (which you always use as Disc) you will heal.
Looking forward to doing a lot of Anub'arak so our DKs can get geared 😅
Jokes aside thanks Joardee! Wonder if we will ever be able to zerg 25m like 10m
In healer tips there's a caption that says 'DO NOT DO THIS.' What specifically are you referring to? Putting bubbles on everyone?
correct!
Do disc priest's absorption on shields heal him as well? I assume so since you said not to spam shields but I can't really tell.
Not directly but remember -- everyone is getting some form of passive healing, meant to compensate for leeching swarm (VE, healing stream, or just JoL for fast attackers). So if you shield, then that 'sticks' and eventually gets swarmed off -- so eventually, the shields do end up healing him.
Could use the WA for numbering PCs for Anub, any chance that can be in description for video or linked here?
isnt shadow priest shining in the phase 3 or im wrong here fill me up
Joardee thanks for all the guides dude. I have to know, whats the track playing at the 3 minute mark? I'm feelin that ish heavy lol
wait so what are disc supposed to do in p3? We heal Penetrating cold targets but with a quick heal first or a pw shield first?
Shield target 1, shield target 2, toss heals on tanks, flash target 1, flash target 2, heal tanks, flash PC targets as needed until the 18 seconds have elapsed.
4:05 he is clicking deathgrip. also strafing with Q and E? 😅
can you hand of freedom the freezing slash? i swear ppl were doing that to the tank on the PTR
i know that PW: shield heals a small amount with the glyph so... it is good to shield everyone on p3 or it is bad? shield doesnt count to boss heal right?
You don't want to shield everyone on phase 3 because all of the passive healing (Judgement of Light, Vampiric Embrace, Healing Stream Totem) will be constantly healing people up while the shield absorbs the damage, then when the shield busts, the boss will heal off all of that extra HP shielded targets gained while shields were absorbing.
@@tylersmith1859 ooooohh makes sense, ty! am learning disc priest hehe
hey joardee- could you link your togc WA you're using? thank you for the amazing content!!
Do you have a list of all the addons you use?
My might cannot be matched
should boomies AOE to cleave the adds in the first and third phase?
Hi joardee, can the disci spam shields in p3 on the whole raid?
No, shields count for the heals
Can I use Ice Block on penetrating cold?
0:34 *DK pops path of frost*
Another awesome guide! Thanks for that :) btw you did not mention block set for tanks.. is it relevent ?
Block sets are still good, but don't function like they did in 2009 or on private servers. Blizzard made up some change that never existed, affecting the block formula negatively. The add tanks will take considerable damage, even with only 2 adds on them, instead of full blocking every attack like in 2009. Makes an already stressful healer fight even more so. Thanks Blizz.
Hey chief, didn't know where to send this message so putting it on your most recent vid - I noticed in your recent stream (final Uld speed run) you had boss frames for Iron Council, would you mind sharing that WA? Would really appreciate it!
its a fojji weak aura!
Anyone know the weak aura he has on the left with all the raid cds?
I don’t think it’s a weakaura, but the tracker from Method Raid Tools.
Is leeching swarm resistable? Would nature resist reduce the ticks at all?
I'm pretty confident it is resistible
It is resistible and even recommended for Tanks to use Lesser Flask of Resistance in addition to NR helm and cloak enchants, to reduce the amount of healing you do to Anub
Its not worth for anyone but tanks, because youll end up taking minimum 250 eventually and resisting 10% more of that isnt worth it.
It's worth using an NR totem if you have the extra shaman in the raid, but other than tanks, there is not much reason to use NR. With the way the leech works, and how long the phase is, if you resist a portion of the damage on one tick, it'll just make the next tick larger than it would have been. You eventually take that damage. The reason it's still good on tanks is because they are constantly being healed to full. On a standard raid member, if it took 15 seconds to reach steady state (hovering around 500-1000hp) without NR, and 20 seconds to reach that same health threshold with NR, the same amount of healing has been done, just slower. If the phase was much faster, like between 15 and 20 seconds, then yes it would matter, but P3 is typically longer than a minute, so the same healing done 5 seconds later makes no difference, plus you've sacrificed something (dps/healing) to get that resist so you are killing the boss slower.
Thanks boss
How is the enhancer healing Stream supposed to take care of a group If it does less than 250 hps? Is the enhancer supposed to take healing Stream glyph?
It's not enough by itself. The physical dps should be good enough with JoL and LotP heals, and affliction/demo warlocks heal themselves plenty. The main people you need to be concerned about are those who have no passive self healing, so balance druids, mages, and healers. Group those people with a shadow priest or resto shaman healing stream totem. Either one is enough by itself.
@@Maxvla demo lock doesnt heal himself either only affliction takes that talent
@@TheT0N1c They do heal via Fel Armor + JoL though it's not a lot (about 2/3 of what is needed). The main thing that sets them apart is taking less damage to begin with via Soul Link w/Master Demonologist (25% less dmg taken total). In my raid I do have them in the group with the balance and mages and shadow priest, but they could be fine without extra healing. Healthstone and Death Coil are available if health gets too low. It takes a long time to go from having used either of those back down to minimum leech health. Also a Disc Priest could shield them when they are around 300-500 hp and the shield would last 20-25 seconds before breaking, buying them all kinds of time.
@@Maxvla Leeching swarm is actually not reducable by 5% dmg modifiers, but I checked and Soul link works. So the Warlock only needs 180 hps.
And your right fel armor and jol should cover that. jol uptime is one of the most important things on the fight I guess.
Does dying because a DK used path of frost count towards wipe counter orrr?
No blizzard removed the ability of PoF activating on the initial landing into water for classic due to the past abuse of the ability in retail wolk.
@@Zenrikku77 fat rip, I was totally gonna pay one of our dks
@@xxbraegonxx well. Guess what they didn't fix it for TogC I guess a DK did to my grp today.
@@Zenrikku77 booo
When kiting anub, can anyone confirm if deterrence works to mitigate the damage?
it does not
Any reason why in p3 why both hpals couldn’t beacon MT and bomb heals into their individual OTs?
It’s the same either way right ???
Mt doesnt take as much dmg as offtanks, you need to churn heals on ots
@@Sanaki131 are you familiar with what beacon does ? Or did you not read what I wrote ? Or do you know something I don’t that the MT somehow gets more healing than the beacon replicated heal target does ?
The only time hpal stops casting in p3 is between waves
What hes saying is beacon the ot and bomb the other ot since theyre the ones getting hit for alot. The mt is taking way less damage
@@Crewheals you have to have consistent heals on all 3
Joardees excell sheet said 1 pal beacon each OT and heal MT
My question is - is there a difference/downside to both beacon MT and heal OTs
My assumption is that there is no difference and it’s just preference on beacon assigns
Recommended for HPalas to not use Glyph of HL on this fight?
Ideally no glyph. There is a strat that can use GoHL but it's not optimal and extends the final phase by canceling out raid dps done with all of that excess healing.
I heard that mortal strike doesn't do anything in phase 3 to prevent the healing since it is a "leech" type heal. Anyone able to confirm if MS works? My guild seems convinced it doesn't.
It 100% worked on PTR
what is a "leech" type heal lol. Mortal strike reduces healing done in general, that includes health regen,potions,flat healing,hots etc even this "leech" type heal youre talking about.
5:40
Arthas shows up talks some shit kiled me
Enh. Shamans shouldn't use FERAL SPIRIT IN P3. Because of the healing they do it's a net dps negative to raid damage on the boss. Spec into fire nova totem glyph for more cleave on the adds.
enh shamans always are specced into fire nova totem glyph xD
Feral Spirit glyph is kinda just not good on
Is Valanyr proc bad here?
No. Most pallies will be taking off glyph of holy light for this fight anyhow from my understanding. So the tank should be all that will get bubbles
Seems like a mega unfun healer fight with that leech mechanic
They all look ez but in raid god help us Can you share your Weakaura plz thank you
Tell the shield-wearing classes in your raid to use Greater Ward of Shielding, especially on Anub on pre-pull.
JOARDEEE GO big go home or not fusion maybe? haha lol how he defeat it this time????
15 minute guide for Anub stop milking it lol
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Can't stand when people say healing parses are cringe.....like what? It's the only thing to do in the game. Yea let's kill the same boss for the 120th time SO FUN! Get over urself bro healing parsing is only reason to play game past prog or week 1 clearing. Also healers are last prio for gear so we definitely don't play for the loot.