I'd been looking for a tutorial that I could recommend to audio engineers who need to understand word clock distribution but don't want to be buried in math. This is it! Your explanations and demonstrations are simply superb!
Using that transparent sheet to explain superposition of traveling waves to produce standing waves is GENIUS. You sir never cease to amaze with your ability to explain things lucidly.
That's one of the best educational video ever seen. It's rare somebody explain the theory and then gives you a hands on experiment that's help you to really understand the matter
now THIS is why I had to plug in those little shiny terminators when I helped to build a coaxial ethernet network back in school. now, 25 years later, I finally learned it.
No words can describe the high educational content of this video, even for experienced RF engineers!!!! So good to visualize the effects of the transmission line (and not imagining the equations)
Software/electrical engineer here. When I'm trying to brush up on a topic and stumble on your videos, I always take time to watch. You have a real knack for explaining things in simple terms. Thanks for sharing the knowledge!
Late to the game here - building a homebrew CPU - old man hobby - and was looking for some insight into transmission line theory - thank you so very much for this. Full of beer right now, I'm looking forward to watching again tomorrow and fully appreciating it.
I've been had a ham radio license for 43 years and until I watched this video transmission lines were a 'bit of magic' to me. Brilliant explanation and superb practical demonstrations. I'm going to try some experiments with my new understanding......Thank you!
Matt Heilman Studying for my HAM Test on May 17th. Every word he said made sense. In fact, I just read about "standing waves" in the HAM study material. I went back and watched all his HAM related stuff.
First time I ever heard a rational explanation for the impedance of a cable. Delta V over Delta I as the signal moves down the wire. Heard that and all-of-a-sudden everything clicked. Don't get me wrong. I've known about and accepted the concept of cable impedance for years and understood the model inductance and capacitance per unit length of cable. I could run the numbers and knew to match impedance of the cable to the source impedance and load impedance. But never before really "got" at a visceral level what the impedance of a cable was until I heard you say what you did at the 3:00 mark.
More like an epiphany. I still haven't mastered Maxwell's Equations. But baby steps. Baby Steps. If I may have one more question: You must have lived through at least two generations of RF connectors. Have you done (or considered doing) a video contrasting modern RF connectors to their 40s, 60s, 80s counterparts? I see some oddball stuff come up for sale on eBay every now and then, equipped with connectors that seem so primitive (one was threadless, with four petals that would mate in an androgynous sense with an identical connector). I imagine improvements were necessary as RF carrier frequencies have skyrocketed. But there must have been some logical progression for these new connectors to have found acceptance as standards when (I strongly suspect) certain companies (say HP or GenRad) probably promoted their own designs in the 80s/90s that (maybe) didn't become accepted. Point is that I'm guessing you know all about connectors. Is this a fair topic to request?
@@TheCondoInRedondo Ha - books could probably be written... The 4-petal connector you see on eBay is often called a GR connector, after General Radio. It is more accurately called the type 874 connector. It is hermaphroditic as you've noticed, and works up to about 4.5 to 5GHz. Performance degrades as they wear, or if they are repeatedly mating "sloppily" and the pedals/leaves get bent. Frequency range, size and durability considerations are generally the driving factors for new and different coaxial connector designs. The most common these days are BNC (generally rated to 4GHz, but precision types can go >8GHz), N-type and the SMA variants (3.5mm, 2.92mm). MMCX and and GPO are popular due to their tiny size, and find themselves in small RF devices (GPS, cell phones, etc.). A real good reference can be found here: www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedias/microwave-coaxial-connectors
Best scope-based explanation and demonstration of standing waves since the term was defined. +100 points. Another 100 points for the demonstration of how reflection creates constructive and destructive interference with that piece of glass. Clever!
For over 20 years, I got away with RF builds without fully understanding transmission lines. With this single video, only now, was I able to completely wrap my brain around the concept. Thumbs up!
Excellent tutorial. It is interesting to apply the L/C digital waveform distortion demonstration as applied to say Cat-6e cable and then think of exceeded radius bends and improperly terminated cable. Makes one realize the forward error correction in IP communication is actually saving the very data you are trying to get. All I.T. professionals should be required to learn these transmission line properties as fundimentals at the physical layer of IP.
Great video. Terminators are also needed to terminate signal leakage and ingress points. Open connections and impairments in the line allow for the line to act like an antenna itself. This unbalances the actual antenna that is hooked up. A simple terminator tricks the system into thinking equipment is hooked up by means of a resistor inside the terminator.
Great video. This helped me troubleshoot a problem. I recently purchased an HP 3589A off ebay. I bought it to learn more about network analysis. I watched your video on dBm, bBu, etc., but my results were way off. I was afraid the analyzer was out of calibration, but when I ran the test from this video, I noticed my terminator had no effect. I measured the terminator and found it open. Replacing it, I was able to observe the results you show in this video, and found my 3589A measures correctly with the proper termination. I also learned that buying cheap terminators off Amazon.com is a mistake. Thanks for the good work.
By FAR the clearest explanation I've seen about line termination, wave reflection, standing waves, etc. Your videos are all outstanding. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Appreciate the demonstration that the signal at the midpoint of the line goes to near zero as the length of that line equals is equal to 1/4 wavelength but the length of the cable can be determined at any frequency by looking at the delay between the signal onset at the midpoint compared to the end of the line. So, eg, at 6:19 since channel 1 is delayed by 8.4 ns compared channel 2, the length of the line (in meters) is then 300*0.0084*0.66 = 1.66 meters (in this formula when the speed of light is expressed in mega meters/sec the time delay is expressed in microseconds). Also I generally don't need an oscilloscope to help me find the length of a coax that I'm holding in my hand but rather this technique is more useful by turning it around and determining the velocity factor given the time delay ie, velocity factor = length (meters)/(300*delay (microsec)).
watching this video again after seeing it a year ago and it never ceases to amaze me how well you explain complicated topics. I greatly appreciate your efforts in making these great quality videos and sharing them with everyone! Thank you and please know a lot of people have benefited from your knowledge and teaching abilities!
You are a premium resource for electronics on par with the best . I have seen this a few times for both electronic review and non electronic purposes .ty
Thank you Alan for this informative video lesson. I've been a General Class ham for nearly 38 years and worked in the commercial antenna industry for decades and I've never had these principles explained so well. It gives the viewer a deep understanding of things that are hard to visualize. 73, Tony WB9UZY
Enjoyed IMMENSELY. Answered a number of questions I had. Many ah-ha light bulb moments... TEACHING: The most honorable, invaluable professions next to a ER doctor saving my life 😉 Thanks so much 👍😁
I don't know if you teach for a living but you're quite skilled at it (i would say gifted but that doesn't pay proper respect to the level of effort you put into it). I've been tinkering with amateur radio for a while now and I know for a fact that i have learned and relearned what impedance matching is and how it can affect signals...but until now I've never really had more than a tenuous grasp of the concept. Somehow just watching you walk through the propagation on paper in the first couple of minutes is what really did it for me (impedance matched lesson i suppose, lol). Seeing it all play out so clearly on the scope is such a modern luxury and just drove the point home that mind-boggling speeds and inconceivably short timescales don't somehow give you license to ignore the details...they still matter greatly. I guess all this is just a verbose thank you, but i didn't want to cut any of it out. :) Thanks!
You Sir, deserve at least a cookie, one of the most beneficial 20 minutes I have seen regarding this topic. May your transmission lines be free of null points, unless self-induced for various reasons.
Love this video, i am a curious hvac technician and i am sure nothing is useless in knowing in how the things work. When you have a no wanted noise in a boiler exhaust pipe, you make a T with an adjustable cap to change the lengh of the pipe without issue. And adjust the lengh at the frequency you want short circuit. I am very bad in english, learning since 35 years 😭😭😭
Wow what a great series! Many moons ago a job I had taught me the ins and out of RF signal tuning in a lab environment. I was fortunate enough to learn the whole process. Of course these were mechanical rigs we were tuning but same idea. Kudos for you for taking the time.!
What a beautiful explanation! How many of us have been told that 'energy is reflected' but have never understood *how* it's reflected? What causes the electrons to travel back to the source? I've searched but have never seen an explanation--until now... Now I understand!! Excellent presentation!!
Amazing teaching skills. I loved the explanation with the "sheet of plastic". Very visual. Thanks a lot for your time and efforts in making this video.
Super. I always assumed that it was good to have a large impedance load. (Much larger than output impedance going in.) So as not to drag the input down. Things change at high frequencies. A wire is not always a wire. Ac is a bit more complicated that dc. For sure. Great video. Nicely explained.
I Appreciate your efforts put into making this video It is wonderful explanation , You used a simple transparent plastic to explain standing wave that’s a nice technique thanks
Much better explanation than my professor gave us for a lab we did a few weeks ago! By explaining the application of this technique it becomes crystal clear. Thank you!
Thanks! Great explanation and demonstration. My first transmitter (a little FM bug circuit) transmitted well at 89mhz.....and 92.....and 94.....and 105.... Now I get it! Thanks.
Just a Great explanation of transmission termination and a little brain exercise regarding RF 🙂 I will watch this video once again for sure. By the way, love the scope 👌I hope I will run across one like that on the second hand market. The B version even better. They hold the price though. .. I see a lot on e-bay but in US. Shipping to Europe too costly...
Thanks for excellent demonstration! very helpful ! Some questions to sincerely consult. Please correct me if I was wrong. 1. at 7:27, the end signal is doubled in Amplitude and distorted in waveform details. I think the distortion is caused by impedance mismatching indeed， while I think the doubling is because your signal generator(GEN) is set as "50 ohm load" condition, which means GEN will "thinks" you will connects a 50ohm load and so it will ACTUALLY output a 2Vpp voltage if you setting value is Vpp on its input panel, and therefor you'll get a Vpp measured and dislplayed on oscilloscope under 50ohm input impedance setting. When you changed to 1Mohm oscilloscope input impedance setting(and keep GEN setting unchanged), the measured on oscilloscope would be 2Vpp, which is doubled. That is my personal thoughts. 2. If my perception above is correct, for a simple system with certain source impedance(Rs) and source voltage(Vs), say 5MHZ 1Vpp(Vs) square wave and 50ohm Rs, if I need a GOOD square WAVEFORM (nice and clean as you said in video) on receiving end , I of course should use 50ohm load termination, but this will cause the received voltage to be reduced by HALF (Rs and R_load forms a divider), so I will get only 0.5Vpp on my load resistor. Seems I have to choose between the "undistorted waveform" and "valid voltage" ? Seems no way to have them both. Any comments? Thanks again.
To all hams out there, what would you have given to have "standing waves" explained this way the first time you asked?? I was a kid and was told "loss", which left a lot of questions unanswered. Another awesome video from Alan. 73.
A little analog scope trickery - The sum waveform is used as the trigger. I very slightly changed one of the input frequencies (by less than 1Hz), which causes it to move with respect to the sum. It's not exactly what happens on the line, but visually represents the standing wave phenomenon.
Wow. Ask you you shall recieve. I requested a video on this subject last week and we all got a very clear, understandable and well demonstrated summation. Thanks Alan
This is really helpful along with your other videos, I am getting close to understanding standing waves and impedance matching. One question in relation to this video, your SG outputs a 10Mz signal with an output impedance of 50 Ohms and your load has and impedance of 50 Ohms so you you minimise / eliminate any reflections and hence maximise the power transfer to the load. However you tap into that with a 1 Mega Ohm load resistance on the scope (Ch2) and this does not cause any reflections back onto the line ? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Paul M0HPP
Yes, mainly because the physical/electrical length of the Tee that leads to the 1Mohm scope input is very short with respect to the wavelength of the 10MHz signal. Thus, any effect of this impedance discontinuity is minimal and the reflection off of the scope input impedance is minimal. However, if the signal were at 500MHz instead, then the 2-3" of coaxial length leading to the scope input would be a "significantly" long stub and would definitely create a significant reflection and impedance discontinuity in the line.
Very good explanation, I finally understood what needs to be perfect matches between the transmitter antenna, and what should be Balun end of the transmission line! Thanks
This video is truely amazing !!! HUGE THANKS ! Moreover, at the end of this video I thought it would be cool to visualize the standing wave by gliding a probe on an open cable and.. Quickly found out the #208 vid where you exactly do that ! I couldn't have dreamed better to study my TL course which was really confusing. And you made it cristal clear in 19min... Really awesome. I'm subscribing right now :D
wow again you are so great and accurate. I have termination resistors on can bus lines and i never knew why but now i do for sure. you are amazing with all you details. i really liked the math that proves the distance of your tapping point. i am such a rookie that this is mind blwing stuff right now. you have this stuff down to a science.
In technical institute....here in Greece we have did all these!!! The big deference between us and univercities!!! But univercities have a higher level of theory.
I started in a technical college it was pure hands on even building every circuit. On my second time round I did university and it was total theory. And lecturers who never worked in the industry.
Nice video. It does what the old PCI bus dose, doubles it voltage to access data. with positive ringing. I have been think about making a touch sensor with two long wires in parallel, both coated with a thin foam. They are are not connected. But i am looking for a capacitive effect. When I pinched them together. The time for it to charge up will take longer, and i measure the time to charge up. If i have three foot long pair of wires, that i pinch somewhere in the middle, and when a voltage is traveling up the wires and hit the pinch point the rate of charging up will slow down, and then speed up, after it pass that pinch point. The question is, can i figure out from this effect the exact point of pinch, from the time and different rates of charge? If this works, i want to make long line that wraps around a robots body to find what part of the robot is being touched.
Great explanation, how do you deal with this in practice if your scope doesn't have a selectable termination switch and you have to use coaxial terminators. When and how do decide to use them and how to properly put them in the line?
Great video. Would it be better. When you describe on the cro the 8.4ns delay for the signal to go from the middle connector to the end connector. To also show on the cro the 8.4ns delay for the reflected wave to go from the end connector back to rhe middle connector. Which is the same time as the original 8.4ns. But it is only a small improvement to show iton the cro screen.
I'd been looking for a tutorial that I could recommend to audio engineers who need to understand word clock distribution but don't want to be buried in math. This is it! Your explanations and demonstrations are simply superb!
Using that transparent sheet to explain superposition of traveling waves to produce standing waves is GENIUS.
You sir never cease to amaze with your ability to explain things lucidly.
Absolutely!! That transparent reflection was indeed sheer genius!!
That's one of the best educational video ever seen. It's rare somebody explain the theory and then gives you a hands on experiment that's help you to really understand the matter
I think that video is a 100 years of RF experience packed into 19.14 minutes.
now THIS is why I had to plug in those little shiny terminators when I helped to build a coaxial ethernet network back in school. now, 25 years later, I finally learned it.
I was underestimated how deep you going with transmission termination from the title of this video, this is a great video!!
Alan's ability to explain phenomenon is unequaled. I learned so much that I have been hazy about for years. Thanks, Alan.
I am of the opinion that the world is a better place with you on it.
+RenanzinhoSP Thank you!
Agreed. We need more w2aew's running around.
RSP I agree! :-)
Totally agree with you. Best explanation among I've ever learned in universities for over 10 years
Of course!
No words can describe the high educational content of this video, even for experienced RF engineers!!!! So good to visualize the effects of the transmission line (and not imagining the equations)
If I could, I'd give you not one, but one million likes for every single video that you've made.
Nice visualization of standing waves! Great video all around!
omg applied science!!
Software/electrical engineer here. When I'm trying to brush up on a topic and stumble on your videos, I always take time to watch. You have a real knack for explaining things in simple terms. Thanks for sharing the knowledge!
I'm glad you're enjoying my videos and find them useful.
Late to the game here - building a homebrew CPU - old man hobby - and was looking for some insight into transmission line theory - thank you so very much for this. Full of beer right now, I'm looking forward to watching again tomorrow and fully appreciating it.
I've been had a ham radio license for 43 years and until I watched this video transmission lines were a 'bit of magic' to me. Brilliant explanation and superb practical demonstrations. I'm going to try some experiments with my new understanding......Thank you!
This has confused me for years, After watching this video it all makes perfect sense.
Matt Heilman Studying for my HAM Test on May 17th. Every word he said made sense. In fact, I just read about "standing waves" in the HAM study material. I went back and watched all his HAM related stuff.
The reflection in the piece of plastic is absolutely brilliant. I'm busy watching all your videos, incredible wealth of knowledge.
First time I ever heard a rational explanation for the impedance of a cable. Delta V over Delta I as the signal moves down the wire. Heard that and all-of-a-sudden everything clicked. Don't get me wrong. I've known about and accepted the concept of cable impedance for years and understood the model inductance and capacitance per unit length of cable. I could run the numbers and knew to match impedance of the cable to the source impedance and load impedance. But never before really "got" at a visceral level what the impedance of a cable was until I heard you say what you did at the 3:00 mark.
Very happy to hear that I helped you get that "ah-hah" moment!
More like an epiphany. I still haven't mastered Maxwell's Equations. But baby steps. Baby Steps.
If I may have one more question: You must have lived through at least two generations of RF connectors. Have you done (or considered doing) a video contrasting modern RF connectors to their 40s, 60s, 80s counterparts? I see some oddball stuff come up for sale on eBay every now and then, equipped with connectors that seem so primitive (one was threadless, with four petals that would mate in an androgynous sense with an identical connector). I imagine improvements were necessary as RF carrier frequencies have skyrocketed. But there must have been some logical progression for these new connectors to have found acceptance as standards when (I strongly suspect) certain companies (say HP or GenRad) probably promoted their own designs in the 80s/90s that (maybe) didn't become accepted. Point is that I'm guessing you know all about connectors. Is this a fair topic to request?
@@TheCondoInRedondo Ha - books could probably be written... The 4-petal connector you see on eBay is often called a GR connector, after General Radio. It is more accurately called the type 874 connector. It is hermaphroditic as you've noticed, and works up to about 4.5 to 5GHz. Performance degrades as they wear, or if they are repeatedly mating "sloppily" and the pedals/leaves get bent. Frequency range, size and durability considerations are generally the driving factors for new and different coaxial connector designs. The most common these days are BNC (generally rated to 4GHz, but precision types can go >8GHz), N-type and the SMA variants (3.5mm, 2.92mm). MMCX and and GPO are popular due to their tiny size, and find themselves in small RF devices (GPS, cell phones, etc.). A real good reference can be found here: www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedias/microwave-coaxial-connectors
My hero.
Now why didn't my instructor in EE 101 lab make us perform this experiment. This is the best description of standing waves I have ever seen!
Best scope-based explanation and demonstration of standing waves since the term was defined. +100 points. Another 100 points for the demonstration of how reflection creates constructive and destructive interference with that piece of glass. Clever!
Fantastic demonstration. Explanation with that reflective plastic was just wow.
Really helpful to see what is happening with the explanation! Thanks
I like how this principle applies to all kinds of waves, be it acoustic, mechanical, light or whatever wave you can imagine.
Oui, meme pour supprimer un bruit parasite dans un conduit de fumée. Avec un tube raccordé avec un T et un bouchon reglable.
Best explanation ever. Where were you when I needed you 30 years ago?
Hmmm - 30 years ago... ....I was working, learning a lot of this stuff in the "school of hard knocks".
For over 20 years, I got away with RF builds without fully understanding transmission lines. With this single video, only now, was I able to completely wrap my brain around the concept. Thumbs up!
11:40 Appreciable Demonstration
Excellent tutorial. It is interesting to apply the L/C digital waveform distortion demonstration as applied to say Cat-6e cable and then think of exceeded radius bends and improperly terminated cable. Makes one realize the forward error correction in IP communication is actually saving the very data you are trying to get. All I.T. professionals should be required to learn these transmission line properties as fundimentals at the physical layer of IP.
I can't stop watching your vidoes. So good that I can learn something even when I'm familiar with it.
Great video. Terminators are also needed to terminate signal leakage and ingress points. Open connections and impairments in the line allow for the line to act like an antenna itself. This unbalances the actual antenna that is hooked up. A simple terminator tricks the system into thinking equipment is hooked up by means of a resistor inside the terminator.
Great video. This helped me troubleshoot a problem. I recently purchased an HP 3589A off ebay. I bought it to learn more about network analysis. I watched your video on dBm, bBu, etc., but my results were way off. I was afraid the analyzer was out of calibration, but when I ran the test from this video, I noticed my terminator had no effect. I measured the terminator and found it open. Replacing it, I was able to observe the results you show in this video, and found my 3589A measures correctly with the proper termination. I also learned that buying cheap terminators off Amazon.com is a mistake. Thanks for the good work.
By FAR the clearest explanation I've seen about line termination, wave reflection, standing waves, etc.
Your videos are all outstanding.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Appreciate the demonstration that the signal at the midpoint of the line goes to near zero as the length of that line equals is equal to 1/4 wavelength but the length of the cable can be determined at any frequency by looking at the delay between the signal onset at the midpoint compared to the end of the line. So, eg, at 6:19 since channel 1 is delayed by 8.4 ns compared channel 2, the length of the line (in meters) is then 300*0.0084*0.66 = 1.66 meters (in this formula when the speed of light is expressed in mega meters/sec the time delay is expressed in microseconds). Also I generally don't need an oscilloscope to help me find the length of a coax that I'm holding in my hand but rather this technique is more useful by turning it around and determining the velocity factor given the time delay ie,
velocity factor = length (meters)/(300*delay (microsec)).
watching this video again after seeing it a year ago and it never ceases to amaze me how well you explain complicated topics. I greatly appreciate your efforts in making these great quality videos and sharing them with everyone! Thank you and please know a lot of people have benefited from your knowledge and teaching abilities!
You are a premium resource for electronics on par with the best . I have seen this a few times for both electronic review and non electronic purposes .ty
Thank you Alan for this informative video lesson. I've been a General Class ham for nearly 38 years and worked in the commercial antenna industry for decades and I've never had these principles explained so well. It gives the viewer a deep understanding of things that are hard to visualize. 73, Tony WB9UZY
Spring 2021 THANK YOU! You just explained the hows and whys of the first 3 weeks of my EMAG class! Now all the math makes sense!
Enjoyed IMMENSELY. Answered a number of questions I had. Many ah-ha light bulb moments... TEACHING: The most honorable, invaluable professions next to a ER doctor saving my life 😉 Thanks so much 👍😁
I don't know if you teach for a living but you're quite skilled at it (i would say gifted but that doesn't pay proper respect to the level of effort you put into it). I've been tinkering with amateur radio for a while now and I know for a fact that i have learned and relearned what impedance matching is and how it can affect signals...but until now I've never really had more than a tenuous grasp of the concept.
Somehow just watching you walk through the propagation on paper in the first couple of minutes is what really did it for me (impedance matched lesson i suppose, lol). Seeing it all play out so clearly on the scope is such a modern luxury and just drove the point home that mind-boggling speeds and inconceivably short timescales don't somehow give you license to ignore the details...they still matter greatly.
I guess all this is just a verbose thank you, but i didn't want to cut any of it out. :)
Thanks!
You Sir, deserve at least a cookie, one of the most beneficial 20 minutes I have seen regarding this topic. May your transmission lines be free of null points, unless self-induced for various reasons.
I will treasure this channel. Absolute love.
This has to be one of the most valuable videos I have ever watched. Fantastic job!
Love this video, i am a curious hvac technician and i am sure nothing is useless in knowing in how the things work.
When you have a no wanted noise in a boiler exhaust pipe, you make a T with an adjustable cap to change the lengh of the pipe without issue. And adjust the lengh at the frequency you want short circuit.
I am very bad in english, learning since 35 years 😭😭😭
Wow! Finally someone that can teach! God bless you!
I’m very lucky to come across your channel at early stage of my career....thanks for the videos
Nice one. A much better explanation than any of my tutors ever gave who solely relied on the mathematical explanation.
Wow what a great series! Many moons ago a job I had taught me the ins and out of RF signal tuning in a lab environment. I was fortunate enough to learn the whole process. Of course these were mechanical rigs we were tuning but same idea. Kudos for you for taking the time.!
What a beautiful explanation! How many of us have been told that 'energy is reflected' but have never understood *how* it's reflected? What causes the electrons to travel back to the source? I've searched but have never seen an explanation--until now... Now I understand!! Excellent presentation!!
One of the best videos on TH-cam
Very usefull, I have not studied this field well in my tech life and I learn every day, thanks
My favorite channel w2aew. Thank you very much for wonderfull videos/lectures.
Excellent video and the best explanations on SWR graphically...
I am studying for my ticket, and now I know about why SWR works in coax transmission lines.
Thanks, Alan!.
Amazing teaching skills. I loved the explanation with the "sheet of plastic". Very visual. Thanks a lot for your time and efforts in making this video.
So this is What Limits the usb Legnth to 5 meter without Any Active usb signal Regenerator ?
Very interesting and very understandable for everyone! Electronic education should become mandatory to show these videos.
Excellent as allways. The old teaching; fitting impedans to impedans from end to end or output to input.
Super.
I always assumed that it was good to have a large impedance load. (Much larger than output impedance going in.) So as not to drag the input down.
Things change at high frequencies. A wire is not always a wire.
Ac is a bit more complicated that dc. For sure.
Great video. Nicely explained.
WOW, thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us again, but more over your ability to transfer this wealth is amazing. Thank you.
Best presentation of this topic I've seen. Awesome, thanks.
I Appreciate your efforts put into making this video
It is wonderful explanation ,
You used a simple transparent plastic to explain standing wave that’s a nice technique
thanks
Much better explanation than my professor gave us for a lab we did a few weeks ago! By explaining the application of this technique it becomes crystal clear. Thank you!
Great to actually see what standing waves actually look like on an actual wire!
Great tutorial.
Thanks! Great explanation and demonstration. My first transmitter (a little FM bug circuit) transmitted well at 89mhz.....and 92.....and 94.....and 105.... Now I get it! Thanks.
Just a Great explanation of transmission termination and a little brain exercise regarding RF 🙂 I will watch this video once again for sure. By the way, love the scope 👌I hope I will run across one like that on the second hand market. The B version even better. They hold the price though. .. I see a lot on e-bay but in US. Shipping to Europe too costly...
This was very enlightening. Thank you for your thorough explanations. You're always constructive, not destructive. :D (had to say it)
Another great lesson! You never cease to amaze and inform me.
Thx
Thanks for excellent demonstration! very helpful !
Some questions to sincerely consult. Please correct me if I was wrong.
1. at 7:27, the end signal is doubled in Amplitude and distorted in waveform details. I think the distortion is caused by impedance mismatching indeed， while I think the doubling is because your signal generator(GEN) is set as "50 ohm load" condition, which means GEN will "thinks" you will connects a 50ohm load and so it will ACTUALLY output a 2Vpp voltage if you setting value is Vpp on its input panel, and therefor you'll get a Vpp measured and dislplayed on oscilloscope under 50ohm input impedance setting. When you changed to 1Mohm oscilloscope input impedance setting(and keep GEN setting unchanged), the measured on oscilloscope would be 2Vpp, which is doubled. That is my personal thoughts.
2. If my perception above is correct, for a simple system with certain source impedance(Rs) and source voltage(Vs), say 5MHZ 1Vpp(Vs) square wave and 50ohm Rs, if I need a GOOD square WAVEFORM (nice and clean as you said in video) on receiving end , I of course should use 50ohm load termination, but this will cause the received voltage to be reduced by HALF (Rs and R_load forms a divider), so I will get only 0.5Vpp on my load resistor. Seems I have to choose between the "undistorted waveform" and "valid voltage" ? Seems no way to have them both. Any comments?
Thanks again.
Yes, you have it right. I did another video on the topic of source impedance and output voltage: th-cam.com/video/tClE8s6RZdg/w-d-xo.html
Your vids are just stellar, clearly presented, well thought-out, without tons of editing ”chops”. Thank you for what you do.
That was the best explanation for termination and reflection I have ever seen.
You rock ..!!
To all hams out there, what would you have given to have "standing waves" explained this way the first time you asked?? I was a kid and was told "loss", which left a lot of questions unanswered. Another awesome video from Alan. 73.
In total agreement with you. This man has teaching skills and the knowledge to back up.
Transmission lines are so fundamental.
It should be more emphasized in school the way you've done it here
This is GOLD.
Very great and educational video, I'm wondering how you move the wave at about 13:18 in the video ?
A little analog scope trickery - The sum waveform is used as the trigger. I very slightly changed one of the input frequencies (by less than 1Hz), which causes it to move with respect to the sum. It's not exactly what happens on the line, but visually represents the standing wave phenomenon.
That's clever, thanks for the explanation
I was wondering the same!
Sir, this is the best explanation I saw in my life ;)
Nice video. I like the way shown the concept of standing wave created with the reflection of a plastic. Also the TDR is useful.
Another excellent explanation of a difficult to grasp subject. Alan's
my go-to guru.
A very interesting and down-to-earth explanation Allan. I found it very useful. Thank you
Really aswome explanation... thank u very much dude. Make more videos for these termination. ..I didn't understand in college but now it was clear...
Thank you so much for your videos! Seeing a visual representation really makes things much easier to understand.
Wow. Ask you you shall recieve. I requested a video on this subject last week and we all got a very clear, understandable and well demonstrated summation. Thanks Alan
This is the best explanation I've ever seen.
This is really helpful along with your other videos, I am getting close to understanding standing waves and impedance matching. One question in relation to this video, your SG outputs a 10Mz signal with an output impedance of 50 Ohms and your load has and impedance of 50 Ohms so you you minimise / eliminate any reflections and hence maximise the power transfer to the load. However you tap into that with a 1 Mega Ohm load resistance on the scope (Ch2) and this does not cause any reflections back onto the line ?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you Paul M0HPP
Yes, mainly because the physical/electrical length of the Tee that leads to the 1Mohm scope input is very short with respect to the wavelength of the 10MHz signal. Thus, any effect of this impedance discontinuity is minimal and the reflection off of the scope input impedance is minimal. However, if the signal were at 500MHz instead, then the 2-3" of coaxial length leading to the scope input would be a "significantly" long stub and would definitely create a significant reflection and impedance discontinuity in the line.
Very good explanation, I finally understood what needs to be perfect matches between the transmitter antenna, and what should be Balun end of the transmission line! Thanks
Im going to tech college in the fall so all of these lessons are awsome! Thank you
This video is truely amazing !!! HUGE THANKS ! Moreover, at the end of this video I thought it would be cool to visualize the standing wave by gliding a probe on an open cable and.. Quickly found out the #208 vid where you exactly do that ! I couldn't have dreamed better to study my TL course which was really confusing. And you made it cristal clear in 19min... Really awesome. I'm subscribing right now :D
Your videos are pure gold. Thank you very much!
Well done and well explained. You obviously spent considerable time planning this one.
wow again you are so great and accurate. I have termination resistors on can bus lines and i never knew why but now i do for sure. you are amazing with all you details. i really liked the math that proves the distance of your tapping point. i am such a rookie that this is mind blwing stuff right now. you have this stuff down to a science.
brilliant demonstrations... what if consciousness is the standing wave ring in the neuron transmission lines of our brain?
thanks one of the best explainations i have seen
Brilliant. Extremely clear and coherent explanation. Thank you again Alan for a fantastic video!!
it was an annoying question asking to myself since years , now i have the answers thanks to you
Why didn't they explain us like this in university? The only thing we got were the calculations....
In technical institute....here in Greece we have did all these!!!
The big deference between us and univercities!!!
But univercities have a higher level of theory.
I started in a technical college it was pure hands on even building every circuit. On my second time round I did university and it was total theory. And lecturers who never worked in the industry.
@@kevyelyod1211 yeah it kinda sucks the life out of your hobbies doing them at university
Nice video. It does what the old PCI bus dose, doubles it voltage to access data. with positive ringing.
I have been think about making a touch sensor with two long wires in parallel, both
coated with a thin foam. They are
are not connected. But i am looking for a capacitive effect. When I pinched them together.
The time for it to charge up will take longer, and i measure the time to charge up.
If i have three foot long pair of wires, that i pinch somewhere in the middle, and
when a voltage is traveling up the wires and hit the pinch point the rate of charging
up will slow down, and then speed up, after it pass that pinch point.
The question is, can i figure out from this effect the exact point of pinch, from the
time and different rates of charge?
If this works, i want to make long line that wraps around a robots body to find what part
of the robot is being touched.
A fountain of well presented knowledge, first class as always.
wow, one of the best videos seen on youtube! thank you for the good videos!!!
Excellent video and best explanation I have ever seen
Great explanation, how do you deal with this in practice if your scope doesn't have a selectable termination switch and you have to use coaxial terminators. When and how do decide to use them and how to properly put them in the line?
Great video. Would it be better. When you describe on the cro the 8.4ns delay for the signal to go from the middle connector to the end connector. To also show on the cro the 8.4ns delay for the reflected wave to go from the end connector back to rhe middle connector. Which is the same time as the original 8.4ns. But it is only a small improvement to show iton the cro screen.
Very good and visual explanation. I love watching your unique videos.
Awesome Video! Wish you could've talked about some types of termination E.g Series, Parallel etc.
Maybe a good topic for a future video