dude I love you.... I had so much issues with the pitch and adjusting the linkages and servo points and all that bs... I thought about adjusting the servo travel a couple of times but never did it because it wasn't in the green after. Now I have to go back to my fleet and redo all of them again. Keep up with videos! Now I need to redo my Goblin 500 Raw again because I got full size servos instead of the mini's.
I’m glad I could help! I have set up countless iKon FBLs and never had a single helicopter regardless of make manufacturer whatever that I was able to adjust linkages to get an equal positive and negative throw and not have other issues. I know if there are guys out there that will say the only way to do it is by adjusting your servo linkages and adjusting servo travel is not the right way. It’s the best way I have found that gets you all around perfect set up! It does make a huge difference when you have an equal throw especially on your flight performance and overall feel of the helicopter. Don’t worry! There will be plenty and plenty of videos to come! Thanks for watching!
I have a brain2 and have had trouble setting up my Trex 470lm. This has to be the most informative video on setting up the flybarless system. Thank you!!
I have a quick question for you John. If when you go full left & full right Servo, should it automatically go back to Center? It looks like yours it automatically goes to Center, if mine stays right or left should I be trying to Center mine using the Stick or is there a way to automatically do this in the Software? Thanking you in advance for your help! I will let you know how I progress. Thanks again and I hope you are having a wonderful weekend so far! Cheers.
@@larrychamel hello! Yes when you let go of the stick it should slowly return back to center. Yours stays at whatever direction you let off the stick? Hope you have a great weekend!
That's a clever setup with yout receivers. I want to do a dual-band setup on my Kraken 700 KSE, only I hadn't quite figured out where I wanted to mount my 900 MHz receiver. Now, this has given me a good idea of where I can put mine. =^/.^=
Thank you! I stared at it for a little while before I came up with that LOL it gets the antennas out and away from all carbon fiber and anything that will block them!
i think your servo connections are backwards. the ikon setup says the back servo is servo 2 but you said in the previous video the back one was servo two. pretty late watching these vids ( GREAT SERIES BTW MY KRAKEN IS IN THE MAIL AND SHOULD BE HERE SOON)
Sorry for the late comment on your video (which is great btw). I have just bought a Kraken and wondered what the part numbers were of the main Spektrum and the two satellite receivers.? You mentioned to be aware of the carbon frame! Thanks in advance.
you have given me some great advice on my M1 setup. i have a question that might be FBL controller related. my swash at rest dips down slightly on the right. i have read that NO trims should be used. i was going to see if the servo arm could be moved 1 spline to be 90 deg. But saying that should you not use the tx servo centering function?
I’m glad I could/can help! So never use radio trim tab with any FBL heli. You can move the servo one spline and see if that gets you where you need to go or go into the FBL and trim the servo that way. That is the best way to trim/adjust any servo is through the FBL unit. I just wanna make sure all servos are 90°/cleaners level and your radio has zero trim activated. Honestly it’s a great thing to get used to deactivating the trim tabs in your radio because sometimes you might accidentally hit one and not know it and the helicopter will start to act weird.
Great video Jeff. I saw your videos showing the build of the Kraken 580. I just did a build myself, and followed a few of your steps. Have seen the videos multiple times :) Quick question. Its my first real heli. At the moment im on training level, using the M2 Evo. I can do figure 8's, and a bit inverted flight and stuff. I still have so many questions coming into this new hobby. Im using a Radiomaster TX16 MkII. I see you are using more than 1 reciever, what is the advantage of that? And is it necessary to do?
Awesome! I hope the videos helped you with your build. So there is a few reasons. One, redundancy. Two signal strength and peace of mind knowing I have full signal no matter how the heli is in the flight. There is a lot of of carbon fiber and that blocks the signal. I also use a SRXL2 for telemetry so there is three satellite RX I use on a kraken model.
Jeff what is the product number for the satellites that your using on the heli for this video I tried using the spm4651t with the Spma3066 adapter and it binds to the ikon2 but it won't let me calibrate the servo travel and I plugged it in to ch3 like it says I don't know what else to do
Excellent video! Many thanks! Did you skip the check mark on using the Ikon governor with the different flying styles menu on purpose? Also, do you normally add a switch setting for tail gains at 45% 40% and 35% so you can adjust while flying? Also account for the motor poles divided by 2. Much appreciated and love all your awesome videos!
Thank you! No I didn’t skip them on purpose I forgot about them LOL I went back after and fixed it. Yes I have a switch setting for tail gains. I have it set to my flight mode switch, and it’s not really so I can adjust while flying it’s just so I can have different game settings for the different head speed. Because you know as you get a higher head speed you don’t have to run as much gain and so on. Thanks for watching!
Great that you touched on the pitch setup. It was a struggle with my raw. I had more positive pitch. Ended up editing the travel in the advanced menu to get it equal. Edit: how low do you think you can go with headspeed for sports flying. I'm running 2000- 2250- 2350 now but seeing you start at 1650 and 1850 that seems on the high side
It’s some thing nobody touches on. I’ve touched on it in almost every Ikon setup video I’ve made because I see you that question all the time. And I know some people say just adjust the linkages until you get equal but you never will! So the initial head speed settings I put were to low. I ended up with 1850 RPM in normal mode and 2000 in Idle 1 and 2400 in Idle 2. I think 1800-2200 RPM is perfect for normal/sport flying.
Jeff you are the best I actually have a 420 that you built for someone else Was following your instructions on a 580 to ikon 2 setup Need help in the Ikon menu when I t change from normal to stunt 1 and stunt 2 the app is opposite normal is 3 on the screen so it’s backwards not sure how to fix it
For the channel assign part of the video, I have a NX6 and so do not have an AUX3. Does this mean I will not be able to use the rescue feature? Or is there a way to program it to AUX1 for example which is an unused channel?
So unfortunately not, you only 6ch. A heli is 6ch with out flight mode setup or rescue. You really need a 8ch radio to use all the iKon can do. 10ch is even better.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Oh I see, luckily I do have the extra 7th channel for flight mode setups. I guess I can add a rescue mode to one of those setups. Not ideal but a compromise. How useful do you find the rescue mode? Is it something you can do without? One more question I have is the transmitter mode setting which you set to mode 2. What are the different modes and how do I know which one is appropriate for me to select?
Got another question for you man. I just finished the setup on the iKon. When I spool up the motor kind of does kindve a twitchy thing before it smoothly starts spinning. Is that normal? Once it starts spinning it all seems to be just fine though.
It can be, make sure your pole count and everything is selected correctly in the governors section of the software. Then turn the governor off and then try it and see if it does the same thing. Everyone I’ve set up twitches for a second and then spools.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 okay gotcha. And just curious, I watched your raw 580 ikon setup video and noticed you didnt select to use the governor in normal mode. Any reason for that? Is it because the throttle curve isnt level by chance?
I just finished my build and Im about to install my Ikon FBL..Im a bit puzzled on how to connect the USB. theres basically no room to fit the micro usb to connect it to the computer. What was your solution? I dont want to stick it on before I figure out what to do. Thanks for the help as always
There’s a few different ways I do it. I have a 90° USB adapter. I also purchased the remote USB from iKon that plugs into the side porch and allows you to plug your USB in.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 oh i didnt even know the ikon remote usb existed lol. I was going to do a 90 degree elbow but I wanted soemthing more secure. Westhobbies to the rescue as always lol. Youre the man.
@@RC_Aviator thank you, both ways work great. I don’t ever leave the remote USB extension on the model for more than a few flights once I’m done tuning I take it off and use it for the next model.
Hey Jeff, I recreated you radio file (radiomaster) but when I do the set up on ikon no matter what I do I can’t get my lints past 93-95% I have e.limts checked. I did notice that once I hit those numbers (93-95) the limits in the controller aren’t at their max but the ikon won’t register it? Ie say my trim is at 138 /150 ikon is at 93% but from 138->150 it won’t change the 93%-> 100% any ideas? Maybe set up on a fresh model with no curves?
hi Sir , what should be proper setup of hobbywing platinun 150amps with xnova 4025-1120kv motor, i was setting up with dile 1 and 2 at 75% flat and 100% flat using 6s 5600mah , but the helicopter lost power during idle 2.
@westhobbiesrc8051 yes, but I'm thinking that the middle port is the signal and the top is the power. I don't understand why they put a 2 port lead and have to plug it into a 3 port. I'm afraid to change the switch over to a 3 port servo lead and try it again. I don't want fry the unit. They should've had a simple 2 prong port for the switch. I can't find any info about making it work
Much appreciated! Your video’s are awesome. I’ve been flying rtf helicopter for over 6 months and finally got myself a SAB 580 raw. The Heli build is almost done but I noticed the tail rudder is not auto leveling when moving from side to side. How would I fix the tail rudder?
@@Good1vibes glad the videos are helpful! So the rudder servo is not supposed to go back to center. That’s how you know it’s in Heading hold mode. (What you want) rate mode would be the rudder going back to center. But heading hold mode is the way you want it setup.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 how would I set to rate mode? The rudder is not going back to center automatically. Auto level works well but the rudder will not center.
@@Good1vibes why do you want Rate mode? Heading hold is what you want for a solid tail. Rate mode you have to fly the tail consistently. But if you want right mode it is a negative value.
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dude I love you.... I had so much issues with the pitch and adjusting the linkages and servo points and all that bs... I thought about adjusting the servo travel a couple of times but never did it because it wasn't in the green after. Now I have to go back to my fleet and redo all of them again. Keep up with videos! Now I need to redo my Goblin 500 Raw again because I got full size servos instead of the mini's.
I’m glad I could help! I have set up countless iKon FBLs and never had a single helicopter regardless of make manufacturer whatever that I was able to adjust linkages to get an equal positive and negative throw and not have other issues. I know if there are guys out there that will say the only way to do it is by adjusting your servo linkages and adjusting servo travel is not the right way. It’s the best way I have found that gets you all around perfect set up! It does make a huge difference when you have an equal throw especially on your flight performance and overall feel of the helicopter. Don’t worry! There will be plenty and plenty of videos to come! Thanks for watching!
I have been looking a LOT at your instructional videos and I must say I'm impressed. I learn a lot and it is of great help, so a BIG thank you sir!!
Thank you! I appreciate that, I’m glad the videos are helpful and you can leave from them!
I have a brain2 and have had trouble setting up my Trex 470lm. This has to be the most informative video on setting up the flybarless system. Thank you!!
Awesome! Thank you, I hope it helped you with your setup!
I just set mine up with a spirit 2. I copied you're idea with the antenna holder out the back. Lol
Thanks a lot! You solved many of my questions! Great video!
Awesome I’m glad! Thank you for watching, greatly appreciate it!
Great placement of your DSMX Satellites and antenna routing!!
Thank you! Took a while but I like it!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Fantastic! Thanks for making and sharing this iKON2 video also! Happy flying and safe flights, always!
@@larrychamel thank you for watching! Glad you enjoyed the video! Happy flying!
I have a quick question for you John.
If when you go full left & full right Servo, should it automatically go back to Center? It looks like yours it automatically goes to Center, if mine stays right or left should I be trying to Center mine using the Stick or is there a way to automatically do this in the Software? Thanking you in advance for your help! I will let you know how I progress. Thanks again and I hope you are having a wonderful weekend so far! Cheers.
@@larrychamel hello! Yes when you let go of the stick it should slowly return back to center. Yours stays at whatever direction you let off the stick? Hope you have a great weekend!
That's a clever setup with yout receivers. I want to do a dual-band setup on my Kraken 700 KSE, only I hadn't quite figured out where I wanted to mount my 900 MHz receiver. Now, this has given me a good idea of where I can put mine. =^/.^=
Thank you! I stared at it for a little while before I came up with that LOL it gets the antennas out and away from all carbon fiber and anything that will block them!
I love it.great job
Thank you!
Thanks man, very good video !
Thanks for watching!
i think your servo connections are backwards. the ikon setup says the back servo is servo 2 but you said in the previous video the back one was servo two. pretty late watching these vids ( GREAT SERIES BTW MY KRAKEN IS IN THE MAIL AND SHOULD BE HERE SOON)
correction you said the back servo was servo 1 ***
I noticed that as well
Thanks bro
Glad to help!
Sorry for the late comment on your video (which is great btw). I have just bought a Kraken and wondered what the part numbers were of the main Spektrum and the two satellite receivers.? You mentioned to be aware of the carbon frame! Thanks in advance.
you have given me some great advice on my M1 setup. i have a question that might be FBL controller related. my swash at rest dips down slightly on the right. i have read that NO trims should be used. i was going to see if the servo arm could be moved 1 spline to be 90 deg. But saying that should you not use the tx servo centering function?
I’m glad I could/can help! So never use radio trim tab with any FBL heli. You can move the servo one spline and see if that gets you where you need to go or go into the FBL and trim the servo that way. That is the best way to trim/adjust any servo is through the FBL unit. I just wanna make sure all servos are 90°/cleaners level and your radio has zero trim activated. Honestly it’s a great thing to get used to deactivating the trim tabs in your radio because sometimes you might accidentally hit one and not know it and the helicopter will start to act weird.
Great video Jeff. I saw your videos showing the build of the Kraken 580. I just did a build myself, and followed a few of your steps. Have seen the videos multiple times :) Quick question. Its my first real heli. At the moment im on training level, using the M2 Evo. I can do figure 8's, and a bit inverted flight and stuff. I still have so many questions coming into this new hobby. Im using a Radiomaster TX16 MkII. I see you are using more than 1 reciever, what is the advantage of that? And is it necessary to do?
Awesome! I hope the videos helped you with your build. So there is a few reasons. One, redundancy. Two signal strength and peace of mind knowing I have full signal no matter how the heli is in the flight. There is a lot of of carbon fiber and that blocks the signal. I also use a SRXL2 for telemetry so there is three satellite RX I use on a kraken model.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 ok, thinking I might go with the SRXL2 Telemetry aswell. Just build the heli, servos should arive tomorrow
Jeff what is the product number for the satellites that your using on the heli for this video I tried using the spm4651t with the Spma3066 adapter and it binds to the ikon2 but it won't let me calibrate the servo travel and I plugged it in to ch3 like it says I don't know what else to do
Excellent video! Many thanks! Did you skip the check mark on using the Ikon governor with the different flying styles menu on purpose? Also, do you normally add a switch setting for tail gains at 45% 40% and 35% so you can adjust while flying? Also account for the motor poles divided by 2. Much appreciated and love all your awesome videos!
Thank you! No I didn’t skip them on purpose I forgot about them LOL I went back after and fixed it. Yes I have a switch setting for tail gains. I have it set to my flight mode switch, and it’s not really so I can adjust while flying it’s just so I can have different game settings for the different head speed. Because you know as you get a higher head speed you don’t have to run as much gain and so on. Thanks for watching!
Good deal! Thank you so much!
@@wassimmatta8390 you’re welcome! Thank you for watching!
Great that you touched on the pitch setup. It was a struggle with my raw. I had more positive pitch. Ended up editing the travel in the advanced menu to get it equal.
Edit: how low do you think you can go with headspeed for sports flying.
I'm running 2000- 2250- 2350 now but seeing you start at 1650 and 1850 that seems on the high side
It’s some thing nobody touches on. I’ve touched on it in almost every Ikon setup video I’ve made because I see you that question all the time. And I know some people say just adjust the linkages until you get equal but you never will! So the initial head speed settings I put were to low. I ended up with 1850 RPM in normal mode and 2000 in Idle 1 and 2400 in Idle 2. I think 1800-2200 RPM is perfect for normal/sport flying.
Jeff you are the best I actually have a 420 that you built for someone else
Was following your instructions on a 580 to ikon 2 setup
Need help in the Ikon menu when I t change from normal to stunt 1 and stunt 2 the app is opposite normal is 3 on the screen so it’s backwards not sure how to fix it
@@johnwilhelm2737 Thank you for watching! Who did you buy it from? Which 420? You want to reverse AUX2 in the radio to flip that screen.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 His name was Sean Peterson it was a yellow 420 raw he did tell me you built it
@@johnwilhelm2737 I sure did! Sean is a great guy.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 That did the trick thank you
For the channel assign part of the video, I have a NX6 and so do not have an AUX3. Does this mean I will not be able to use the rescue feature? Or is there a way to program it to AUX1 for example which is an unused channel?
So unfortunately not, you only 6ch. A heli is 6ch with out flight mode setup or rescue. You really need a 8ch radio to use all the iKon can do. 10ch is even better.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Oh I see, luckily I do have the extra 7th channel for flight mode setups. I guess I can add a rescue mode to one of those setups. Not ideal but a compromise. How useful do you find the rescue mode? Is it something you can do without?
One more question I have is the transmitter mode setting which you set to mode 2. What are the different modes and how do I know which one is appropriate for me to select?
Got another question for you man. I just finished the setup on the iKon. When I spool up the motor kind of does kindve a twitchy thing before it smoothly starts spinning. Is that normal? Once it starts spinning it all seems to be just fine though.
It can be, make sure your pole count and everything is selected correctly in the governors section of the software. Then turn the governor off and then try it and see if it does the same thing. Everyone I’ve set up twitches for a second and then spools.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 okay gotcha. And just curious, I watched your raw 580 ikon setup video and noticed you didnt select to use the governor in normal mode. Any reason for that? Is it because the throttle curve isnt level by chance?
At last. Going to get myself a Brain 2. for my Raw. Now I know ho to set it up. Will my TX16s with Radiomaster R88 Sbus receiver work?
Yes
Yes it will work great! I have a video on radio master with Ikon/Brain set up
I just finished my build and Im about to install my Ikon FBL..Im a bit puzzled on how to connect the USB. theres basically no room to fit the micro usb to connect it to the computer. What was your solution? I dont want to stick it on before I figure out what to do. Thanks for the help as always
There’s a few different ways I do it. I have a 90° USB adapter. I also purchased the remote USB from iKon that plugs into the side porch and allows you to plug your USB in.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 oh i didnt even know the ikon remote usb existed lol. I was going to do a 90 degree elbow but I wanted soemthing more secure. Westhobbies to the rescue as always lol. Youre the man.
@@RC_Aviator thank you, both ways work great. I don’t ever leave the remote USB extension on the model for more than a few flights once I’m done tuning I take it off and use it for the next model.
Hey Jeff,
I recreated you radio file (radiomaster) but when I do the set up on ikon no matter what I do I can’t get my lints past 93-95% I have e.limts checked. I did notice that once I hit those numbers (93-95) the limits in the controller aren’t at their max but the ikon won’t register it? Ie say my trim is at 138 /150 ikon is at 93% but from 138->150 it won’t change the 93%-> 100% any ideas? Maybe set up on a fresh model with no curves?
Why did you connect servo 2 to servo 1 port ?? The ikon setup screen says otherwise
Is the 580 an old heli?. When was it released?
No not old but not brand new, been out for about a year or two.
Do you get telemetry back to the spektrum transmiter with this set up? Thank you
Yes you do. Full telemetry! But you need a spektrum SRXL2. I have a video going one it with iKon and spektrum.
In that case should I install the srxl2 on top and the satellite at the bottom. How many satellites. I WILL be building a kraken 580
@@rcmlndz on top, you only need one DSMX satellite if your running a SRXL2. You can mount that on the bottom.
hi Sir , what should be proper setup of hobbywing platinun 150amps with xnova 4025-1120kv motor, i was setting up with dile 1 and 2 at 75% flat and 100% flat using 6s 5600mah , but the helicopter lost power during idle 2.
Where and how do I use the on/off switch? I plugged it in where I thought it should go and it doesn't work
The On/Off switch is for the HD iKon. It’s not used unless your using a separate 2s pack the power of the servos.
@westhobbiesrc8051 I am using the ikon2hd and it came with the switch. I plugged it in on the lower single port and it doesn't function.
Also I am using a 2s lipo to power the servos through the hd power cable that was supplied with it
@@megadeth1952 hmm! That’s a good question, your plugged in with ground down? Meaning at the bottom of the port?
@westhobbiesrc8051 yes, but I'm thinking that the middle port is the signal and the top is the power. I don't understand why they put a 2 port lead and have to plug it into a 3 port. I'm afraid to change the switch over to a 3 port servo lead and try it again. I don't want fry the unit. They should've had a simple 2 prong port for the switch. I can't find any info about making it work
Which servos, ESC and motor are you using on it ? Thanks.
th-cam.com/video/BqSOrf4IuZU/w-d-xo.html go over everything in the build series.
I’ve got a SAB 580 raw and it’s my first helicopter build. Any chance you can do a Futuba receiver with S.Bus video?
So if I had it flew futaba I definitely would! I might have a futaba radio coming for some videos so if I do then I’ll definitely do one!
Much appreciated! Your video’s are awesome. I’ve been flying rtf helicopter for over 6 months and finally got myself a SAB 580 raw. The Heli build is almost done but I noticed the tail rudder is not auto leveling when moving from side to side. How would I fix the tail rudder?
@@Good1vibes glad the videos are helpful! So the rudder servo is not supposed to go back to center. That’s how you know it’s in Heading hold mode. (What you want) rate mode would be the rudder going back to center. But heading hold mode is the way you want it setup.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 how would I set to rate mode? The rudder is not going back to center automatically. Auto level works well but the rudder will not center.
@@Good1vibes why do you want Rate mode? Heading hold is what you want for a solid tail. Rate mode you have to fly the tail consistently. But if you want right mode it is a negative value.
may i ask you what recivers you are using.....
Two DSMX Carbon safe satellites. Now I use two carbon safe satellites and a SRXL2 on top.
thank so much..i am new to the ikon been flying beast x for ever ....first sab build ,,
@@AlanDronesHelicoptersPlanes you will be SO much happier with iKon! WAY better in every way. Such a incredible FBL unit.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 can i ask you for the order # of the satellite recivers