Yetaxa Well, to be fair, this was back in the day when games rewarded gamers for, well, playing the game and not having it spoon-fed to them. ;-; FF7 encouraged exploration and demanded gamers put in the effort if they wanted the goods. Hell, you couldn't get two characters in your roster if you didn't put in the work to obtain them (Vincent and Yuffie). This, to me, made the world more open and unpredictable. I also think it was nice FF7 gave the power of control and experience to the gamers. It made obtaining those extra scenes and items more fulfilling.
While that's true it's also true that if you were playing this when it came out there's a good chance you didn't even know these scenes and characters were in the game so you didn't try to find them, so people would have missed out on a lot
Yeah... except getting this scene required you to revisit a map you'd already visited for two totally different quests at two totally different times. Not exactly the most likely or forseeable outcome. Conceivably a game designer could pick a single pixel in the middle of a giant world map and reward the grinder who found it with an instant victory. Oh gee, what a brilliant accomplishment that would be. What a glorious paen to "openness" and "unpredictability". It'd be super "fulfilling" to see the one guy who finally figured out how to win after 500+ hours of grinding. That guy would be the coolest. You kinda sound like you might be him.
This is a hidden cutscene in the game. After you restore Cloud's Memory, go back to the basement of Nibelheim Manor and then you can view it. This is to people who are wondering why they didn't see this scene after they beat the game.
***** Are you sure? I don't see why they can't keep this scene original. I already know Square Enix won't do it. Square Enix made it clear that Final Fantasy VII remake won't be Final Fantasy VII with just updated graphics.
+MrDarkSun01 the Crisis Core version of this scene is the biggest piece of shit i've ever seen, this one is far more poignant, theres a finality to it, no stupid speach about living legacy crap, theres the way how the shinra soldiers decide cloud is a nonissue because of his problems, how they stand over Zack and unload a load of bullets on him, how cloud slowly reaches to zack and comes to the realization that hes dead, and he gets broken even further accompanied with his scream(the only thing CC did good), etc i seriously hope they dont use that crap, unlike the CC scene, a properly redone original FF7 scene would be far more powerful than that overdramatized piece of crap
***** Zack is literally a Gary stu in this game, everyone loves him, besides the villains for plot convenience, is behind major decisions of other FF7 characters and the le epic Last Stand and shitty death scene with muh legacy speach, but thats just some of the problems in CC, like the raping of the other characters personalities baring a few, and literally nothing characters like angeal, but genesis was the worst, when SE shoved him into important events of the original FF7 just to make him more important than he is, problem is that hes boring and not really that interesting as a character maiden that travels the planet is semi-canon, while the work is never specifically referenced and most isnt canon, certain parts of it are referenced or adapted into FF7 lore one of the things i hope they do in the remake is show us what Aerith does in the lifestream, maybe woven into the games, or some post game unlock
and sephiroth would have gone around just killing everyone and no one would be able to stop him.. wow what a game changer because they just left one unconscious guy alone who thought he was harmless..
The symbol is that kindness and mercy saves the world, and later when cloud kills sephiroth there is another symbol that standing up to evil and killing evil saves the world. Good literature.
To ppl who keeps calling Zack weak. No, he wasn’t weak he was just tired and primarily thinking about his friend Cloud’s well-being. No chance to rest and being on the run for a year was Zack’s downfall.
In Crisis Core, they showed that he battled an entire army before going down. And you can bet that’s they are going in that direction in the remake. This is the ps1 you’re talking about. The hardware is just way too limited to show off such grandiose stuff.
@LesEnfants1972 No. The characters just weren't as ridiculous as they are in the Compilation. Hence Cloud and Co. having problems getting rubble off Cid, Cloud needing a dolphin's help to reach a high spot instead of just leaping himself, how the party was defenseless against guard robots, Sephiroth getting stabbed in the back by a rookie.
I love how idealistic and positive Zack is during this scene. Even though the odds are devastatingly stacked against them, he’s keeping morale up by trying to get Cloud to talk, but also talking about hopes and dreams and stuff. After this although he seriously wants to be with Aerith, he sacrificed himself to protect Cloud
It sounded like he wanted to hang at Aeris' for a booty call, but remembered "Oh crap, her mom would be there though." This was before they made Zack into an righteous Christ-like figure, and it was so much better before they did.
The thing that pains me the most about Zack’s death, is when the shines soldiers shot him, they dumped a whole clip in his body. When I watched that I was as angry as Aerith’s death.
"I got a place I can crash for a while"......."No wait, the mother lives there, too...." I only now get what that meant.... and she's still writing letters.
@@galten7361 aerith knows that zack died since she has a connection with the lifestream ; she doesn't accept the fact that zack died so she convince herself that zack run away with another woman
@zack fair Except Elmyra didn't want Zack around her daughter, Zack noticeably says he won't go to Aerith's home since he knows that Elmyra's there, and most importantly Cloud's Soldier persona was modeled on Zack (and Soldier Cloud didn't act like Zack does in CC).
Zack in his original death: doesn’t have a chance to fight and gets killed by only few soldiers . Zack in crisis core: fights an army until he’s drained and dies Zack in remake: fights until he’s killed every last person. I feel like Zack is getting stronger by every time he dies lol
It made more sense in CC, as he was pretty strong in that game to be taken out by 3 measly grunts. It took him wasting all of his energy and a shot from behind to take him down. In the original game, there just wasnt enough backstory on Zach to showcase him taking on a whole army.
@RedGheauxst There is no grounds to believe that members of SOLDIER who aren't Sephiroth can hold their own with entire armies of men with guns and helicopter. That's ridiculous and at odds with what we see the characters who aren't Sephiroth do.
@CrazyRiverOtter Zack gets gunned down like a dog. Cloud (who was subject to the same testing as actual SOLDIER members) with the backing of Avalanche still gets captured by robots, has trouble lifting rubble, and needs a dolphin to reach a really high ledge. We have enough evidence from the game to know that the characters weren't capable of the stunts we see them do in the Compilation.
@ the death of Zack in the context of Crisis Core made sense. They had setup that particular ending in Last Order. You are not going to showcase a characters abilities against powerful foes just to have him die off a minor misstep. It would be a slap in the face to anyone playing the game.
Pixel Shira came after Zack since the beginning, cause he’s a ‘successful experiment’ that escaped from the lab, so they can’t let him go. He did save Cloud, but I won’t call that sacrifice through, after all Hojo not even cared about Cloud until he show his unexpected potential in FFVII.
Zack wasn't presented as Aerith's one and only in FF7. Aerith admits she figured he ran off with another woman, her step-mother tells Cloud to not hurt her step-daughter like Zack did, and Aerith shows she sees beyond how Cloud reminds her of Zack for how close she is with her blonde SOLDIER. The bits you see in the Compilation pushing Zack and Aerith together with no other alternatives is just an example of how the original's shades of grey or doubt were bulldozed away. Especially in Advent Children where Aerith and Zack are somehow together in Lifestream Land despite what FF7's metaphysics established (namely that humans do not have separate souls/essences that remain separate after death).
@@VeryNormalGuy9Spoilers ahead: I don't recall either of them being labeled as "successful experiments" Zack had already been enhanced with Mako which affected the Jenova cell implants and while Cloud hadn't been subjected to any previous procedures, he was susceptible to Mako Poisoning and didn't express the results Hojo wanted until WAAAYYYY later in the game _after_ his layers of subconscious protection from trauma were shattered. Hojo labeled them both a failure, there were documents in Crisis Core stating so.
I like the small detail of him dying because he was checking to make sure cloud was okay. Had he just been concerned about himself, he probably could’ve survived.
@@denimchicken104 more than anything it's sad especially if you have had dreams where you die. I dreamt that some crazy shooter was in the streets shooting people and I saw him shoot a fat woman. Blood and everything. Then he found me hiding. As he shot me the bullets sprayed closer to my face. I felt intense sadness and impotence as I accepted my death. As a bullets reached my face I died. Rather than blacking out I whited out and immediately woke up after. Seriously felt like another life. It's really crazy but that's what makes me imagine Zack's death as really sad.
I think we can all agree. Zack Fair is the *best* bro anyone could ask for. Even though Cloud was a massive burden to take with him and one could even have wrote him off due to his broken mental state.....he never abandoned him.
yup. he was the best person to be around. i even find it hard to imagine doing what he did for someone i barely knew, even if they were a friend. not sure if i could live with the mental and physical burden of taking care and dragging your friend across the country with no food, water, or shelter for 9 months. just adds to the list of why his death was so sad lol
After many years, I can honestly say that Zack's death here is way more sad than Crisis Core. He just kind of gets killed with his back turned, no final words to his friend.
Well, you can tell that Final Fantasy 7 was, if not written by, then at least directed by someone that was suffering the personal loss that comes from an unexpected death- almost all the deaths that occur in the game are very sudden, very... visceral, let's say. And they leave the characters reeling in the wake of that sudden death. The characters didn't have time to exchange last words with Biggs, Wedge, Jessie, Aeris, or Zack in the original game. This speaks of someone who was thinking about death and the rift it makes between people, and wanted to really explore that. Meanwhile, the remake and the... post-7 stuff basically tries using a lot of purple prose and heavy (and some might say unnecessary) symbolism to try and give everything more weight. Like... Zack is dying from being shot up by a million bullets and missiles, courtesy of fighting off an entire army of Shinra Grunts, but he somehow has more than enough strength to give off a fairly well-said farewell speech to Cloud, as well as give him a hug and even lift up his massive sword with one hand and and give it to the guy. It kind of undersells the "dying" aspect in favor of the "please feel emotions, now" side of it. And I'm not berating anyone who's reading this for feeling something from that, but I think that style of writing speaks more of someone who is preoccupied _with_ writing, rather than someone who is trying to convey something more personal and intimate, which is what I feel the original game was trying to do.
To be honest they kinda have a point, Cloud’s flashback about Zack was a last-minute addition to FF7 international version, It never happened in the initial Japanese version.
I never saw this scene in the original FFVII when I played it years ago for whatever reason, though I do remember Zack shows up very briefly in some of the other flashbacks. If I only had that experience with the character, I'd have probably never expected them to make a game about him.
@Aaron9 no need to bring out your insecurities this is my favorite game of all time but it has flaws at least I can admit that but hey keep on drinking some of that ff7 cool aid.
No dialouge whatsoever. Yet the way Cloud's model trembles as he faces the sky, raindrops beginning to pour, as the camera pans out... Edit: Sigh, I'm REALLY gonna miss those cute, chibi-looking field models in the remake...
How are you going to miss it? Just play the original. They still sell it. Its not lime they are removing it with the release of the remake. Seriously, people exagerate shit.
@@pr0jectzero281 the scene in CC was more about Zack than it was about Cloud. And his death was one of the most tragic events in FF I ever saw. Play it tho, it is a great game.
@@aleisshiki3649 no, don’t do that, the dialogue takes away the impact of the sudden death and the complete silence that absolutely makes this scene so impactful. If you guys want to experience this scene in the original game, go to the basement of the Shinra mansion in Nibelheim anytime after Cloud and Tifa recover his memories in the lifestream.
I feel like Zack is the kind of character that really doesn't need all this supplementary material made about him. The whole point of the character's existence is to service the plot twist with Cloud. I'm not knocking people who like him, I like him. But I feel the truck scene alone gets across who he is, an optimistic guy full of zest, remaining loyal to his friend in a helpless catatonic state. Which makes his death hit so much harder where he's brutally and suddenly taken away when he was so close to his destination.
Except that it doesn't clearly establish how any of this happened overall. Like how do you know that Zack knew Cloud enough to go out of his way to call him a friend and put on a whole ordeal to protect him?
@@ThanhNgo-jn7bm @user-xc4os6gg3u It could've just been a random act of kindness. They didn't have to be best or even good friends for Zack to do this. Zack could've felt sick of Shinra because they basically caused Sephiroth + Nibelheim (not to mention the experiments he himself endured). He might've realized that fighting for Shinra his whole life was a fucking waste, so out of spite for Shinra and himself he decided to do one little good thing and help Cloud survive. Before all this they could've just been acquaintances, but that wouldn't mean that Zack would just leave him behind. That's how I read the OG, at least.
@Thanh Ngo because here Zack calls Cloud a friend. So notwithstanding their previous relationship, at least after everything they've been through Zack does consider him to be a friend.
@@ThanhNgo-jn7bmWe know this through little things called understatement and subtext, which the original game had and all the Compilation media stamps out to remove any possible ambiguity or nuance and spell out every theme and story detail in big red letters.
"Embrace your dreams... And, whatever happens, protect your honor... as SOLDIER! Come and get it!" "My honor, my dreams, they're yours now." "I'm your... living legacy...."
Zack wasn't designed to have a close relationship with Cloud. In FF7, Cloud only speaks of Zack once when he's recovered from his overdose of make aboard the Highwind, and then never mentions him again.
This is Crisis Core Bullshit. The real story of Zack and Cloud is this one from FF VII 1997. Crisis Core had a bad compatibility with FF VII 1997 in many ways. They took too much freedom with new things, it was bad or meh... for the most of them.
well, crisis core was the start of it all and a good place to start since they reanimated the death scene here .. here it was harsh on how they just killed em and went their mary way out
Mygingerguy totally, i dont understand all who complain about CC and hating on it since cloud actually lost his memories in ff7 but in ff7 was told in clouds point of view while discarding zack as a flash back ... hence CC was called the missing chapter ...
Nathan Burger Not entirely true, Ive always been intrigued by Zack and have wanted to learn of his story. Was so happy when Crisis Core came out and provided me the opportunity
The crisis core whole army version is amusing in a over the top sort of way. But this is much more effective Zacks not a Shonen hero who saved world and took on armies. He's just a good dude who died protecting his friend
I always assumed that he fights the army when he runs off screen. Each to their own but this always bugged me in OG. Why kill just Zack and not Cloud too? I mean his just laying there. I get Cloud isn't a big threat to them but his still a target. They just wanted to save a few bullets I guess. I personally like CC's ending because Zack hides Cloud so his not in the open.
@BoozeMan But would have come to that conclusion without crisis core? The original has a less over the top feel to it. Crisis cores satisfying in a way but feels more like a glorious send off than the quick brutality of the original With cloud it may have been a bit of pity. A it's one thing to kill a soldire it's another to off a guys that's mentally deranged laying face down.. not that leaving him is much better or maybe the guy figured he was dying already given how he acted
@@leonevelake I always thought he fought some soldiers off screen before I played CC. I get what you're saying about the glorious send off though. But I don't know if at the end of CC Zack gets sniped and Cloud takes his sword without a word, would be a great ending to a game. Say what you want about CC but that ending is the best part of the game.
@@boozeman4749 "But I don't know if at the end of CC Zack gets sniped and Cloud takes his sword without a word, would be a great ending to a game." But that a big problem with crisis core they wanted to go into sort of final fantasy story beats (with a lot of modern shonen tropes ) instead of doing a straight prequel. So we end up with a pretty goofy zack that talks a lot about wanting to be a hero, we get all kinds of retcons and new characters
@@leonevelake I'm not sure what you mean by Shonen tropes but to me Zack has always been a goofy character. This is a guy who asked a complete stranger what he thinks he'd be good at. While doing squats in a moving truck.😂 Yeah there's some new characters but let's not forget that CC was the "last" of the compilation. So the only new character that I can think of is Angeal. Maybe? Yeah they retconned Genius into Nibelheim. Which I'm not a fan of. The other retcons I don't really mind. Like the colour of SOLDIERS uniforms and the way that Zack dies. But that's just me.
I definitely prefer this death story to that of Crisis Core. It's far more human. They swooped in and took Zack out when he was barely ready. It could have happened to anyone and it only highlights the gutless cowardice of who you're up against. It's cool to go down in a blaze of glory against like a thousand guys, a literal fucking army, but there's something raw about the original that can't be topped.
But it makes sense that he can take almost the whole army as he was experimented on with Jenova cells for four years and his body didn't reject them like Cloud's did.
thats really sad he was such a good friend to cloud and saved his life, he almost made it to Midgar as well, i like how hes such a big part of the game even though we see him only a few times
I hope they mix the two scenes together. Like show more of Zack and how Cloud looked up to him but also keep it short. Put more emphasis on how unfair Zack's death was but without blowing it out of proportion.
All of the violent deaths in FF7 are "blown out of proportion" as you call it since death from bloodshed is not pretty, "valiant", or (ugh) "epic." This is something Crisis Core missed.
They should do it like the second half of Zack's final battle in crisis core. Have him weak and vulnerable, but still able to fight off the soldiers for a good while. But I think his death should be just like the original, with him being taken off-guard and killed immediately, as Cloud holds the sword of his now-deceased best friend
...Honestly, I think watching both this scene (for maybe the first time since I didn't trigger it) and Zack's death in Crisis Core have both have an emotional impact on me. I played Crisis Core before I even got close to playing VII itself. Crisis Core made me appreciate more things than I realized, and because of that game, Zack is one of my most favorite protagonists of all time. His death is one that will forever make me cry no matter how many times I see it. The death in Crisis Core emphasized Zack's heroic nature, and he was able to properly pass his legacy on to Cloud. Seeing this death now, it feels a bit more realistic, seeing Zack just die instantly from the shots compared to being able to speak with Cloud one more time... and then seeing Cloud just take the Buster Sword away. It actually made me a bit angry seeing such a thing. So, yeah... No matter which death is "better," they still hold a plethora of impact over those who grow with Zack.
Hmm playing CC before the main game... I don't know about that, it's like watching Star wars 1-3 before 4-6, kinda sucks to get explanations for plotholes without even knowing the plot itself, spoilers alot of things for you.
o.o That's true. But in my case, it was honestly by coincidence. I hardly knew anything about VII, never played it, only knew of it in name, and of Cloud and Aerith. Heck, I didn't even know Zack EXISTED until I picked up Crisis Core.
***** I think this scene sets up Cloud's forming of false memories and a new persona-based partly on Zack-much better. In CC, Cloud gets closure and it's all wrapped up in a nice neat bow. Here, it shows how helpless and guilty Cloud feels just watching his friend die and not even making it to him to say goodbye or have the sword passed on. He just took it, and part of Zack's personality, right from his corpse.
This is so much more tragic than in CC! (Though the CC got me all choked up each time I saw it too). The fact that Zack dies, the rain comes, and then Cloud comes to only to find his friend who has been dragging him around for about a year(?) has just been killed. Just when he can move on his own and speak a little (presumably) it's already too late. I think the main themes of FF7 were dealing with loss and finding a sense of identity. And I think a point was made about it being sudden and feeling helpless about the situation, but having that guilt. Zack's death here is very similar to Aerith's if you compare Cloud's position and I think that's the point. It was sudden and Cloud couldn't do anything about it, even though he was there. Imagine it with the visuals of CC. Put's Cloud down, goes and fights an army, then comes back all worn out and nearly done for and checks on Cloud(that would be a touching moment, maybe Zack even thought it was all over). Then gets hit by a super powerful bullet that throws him back and then gets riddled with bullets. Cloud might even be able to see it all happening. Later when he goes to see Zack, he's already dead. It's too late. Cloud takes the sword and as the viewer you know what that means. Cloud becomes his living legacy. It doesn't need to be spelt out. I would miss the part where Zack grabs Clouds head and gives him a bloody hug, and the way Cloud speaks zombie-like pretty much repeating what Zack says, but overall I think it would be more impacting if things were left closer to the original. Out of everything FF7 related, this is the last thing I've actually watched and it kinda changes everything! I really did think that Cloud thought he was Zack because in his dazed state he misinterpreted Zacks words. But that's not the case. But, I understand they would have wanted to give more closure for Zack's ending after making a full game about him. (But I thought they made this scene first, then made the story?) And they've added it into Advent Children, so I can't imagine the remake of FF7 to be any closer to the original. But I would like them to try. I'm not a fan of the Jpop music coming in so suddenly after Cloud's scream. Funny thing I noticed about this is that Zack didn't catch Cloud when he opened the tube. He just let him fall on the floor. And in the wastelands he just put him on the ground face down, not nicely sitting up against a rock. Oh yea, and I did always wonder if they got fed.
+TheGinga exactly, thats why i'm scared that they're gonna use the overdramatized rendition, with the living legacy bullshit that was in CC, instead of remaking this scene
Nephilim King sorry but the CC scene is bullshit, yeah CC developed Zack more, but thats it, it shitted on Aeriths personality and introduced a bunch of retarded characters like genesis and angeal yhid dcene is far better compared to CC death scene, only problem is that it doesnt have good graphics or voice acting
Nephilim King I'm sorry but, Square made Zack into this retarded Gary Stu, thats apparently behind every major decision that FF7 characters have, and made Aerith seen like she didnt decide shit without Zack telling her what to do, it also changed her into this holy virgin damsel, when shes anything but, in FF7 shes this confident, sassy lady, who could for the most part, take care of herself, and she was always like that, not this crap we see in CC talking about zacks death, maybe because you dont get this scene or how Square treated death in FF7 in FF7 death isnt treated as some kind of overdramatic event like in CC, death in FF7 has this meaning of being a tragic, often sudden, with no time for final goodbyes event, Zacks death was treated much the same way, he still fought shinra soldiers there, the difference is that he dies in a moment of weakness and concern for clouds well being, getting shot by surprise looking over cloud(who was supposed to be there i might had), then we have right after, him being brutally shot by a shinra grunt, and them not bothering killing cloud because of his mental state, thinking he wouldnt survive anyway, we then see cloud going slowly up to zacks body and coming to the realisation that his friend is dead, no goodbyes, nothing, just the cold reallisation that your best friend is dead and you werent able to do anything about it, that for me is a far more powerful scene than the bullshit they put in CC. i have no problem with him fighting enemies in the end, the issues i have with it is the amount of enemies which is what i find completely retarded, coupled with a overromanticized final "my legacy" bullshit speach
Actually, this doesn't contradict the one in Crisis Core that much. After Zack leaves Cloud and goes offscreen, you can hear sounds fighting. We don't actually know how many soldiers he fought there. The difference here is that Zack actually wins that battle, but gets ambushed by those 3 soldiers (instead of nearly winning, but losing to the 3 remaining ones). And also obviously all the stuff about talking to Cloud when finally wakes up. Personally I prefer the one in Crisis Core, but both are very dramatic.
@@NarutoninjaXV Could be an interpretation. One from Cloud's perspective that he doesn't fully remember, while Zack's is kinda the ideal revision, the missing piece to Cloud's memory. In a tragic way, both versions and points of views are correct and wrong at the same time.
I also prefer the one in Crisis Core. Was far more tragic and emotional, but also I love how much of a badass it showed that Zack was. He took down scores of soldiers before his end. What a way to go out!
to trigger this scene you need to finish Cloud's Subconscious in Mideel after they fall in the Lifestream, then go to nibelheim mansion's underground lab the room next to where you found vincent.
I'm glad Zack got his own game. Only because what did we know about him in the original 1. He is a first class Soldier 2. He is Cloud's friend 3. He was the Soldier that got his shit kicked in at Nibelheim instead of Cloud. 4. Cloud copied his memories. 5. He has the buster sword. 6. He dies After Crisis Core 1. He died after killing tons of soldier grunts. 2. He was betrayed by Angeal, Genesis, Shinra, and Sephiroth. 3. He has a personality. 4. His Buster Sword was originally Angeal's. 5. He had a set relationship with Aerith 6. The Turks (in the mid-end) wanted him dead. 7. He has a (in game) fan club. 8. He is Cloud's friend 8 1/2. He is my favourite character. 9. He dies.
5." He had a set relationship with Aerith" The original game already told us that if you have Aerith in your party when you visit gongaga, After talking to Zack's parents, Aerith tells Cloud Zack was her first boyfriend.
@Phil Pacific If you honestly think that Aerith wasn't written as having romantic leanings towards Cloud in FF7 then you don't know how to read her behavior within it. And in both the Compilation and cameos like Kingdom Hearts, Aerith is written as sincerely drawn to Cloud as a woman regardless of her past with Zack (Cloud was even called her friend AND lover in a novella). Also, Aerith herself admitted that Zack was a womanizer and she thought he ran-off with another woman. Zack was pointed to being a shadier character than how he was depicted in FF7 (what with how Cloud secretly modeled himself on him). Zack's personality in CC really comes off as a rip-off of Cloud's personality once he's restored .
This flashback is perfect, way better than Crisis core. There's no "Hey, remember when I chased Hollander for 4 chapters and fight 564845 copies of a low cost Sephiroth ?"
@@No_More_Eyes545 then, there should be new games. New interpretations of the story are ok, but when you are pretending to follow the same history but changing all excusing with timelines, its not really a remake, but a sequel
@@ldking5132 It's not a remake. It's a sequel. It happens sequentially after the original Final Fantasy 7. Cause Tetsuya Nomura is obsessed with time travel and is gonna ruin FF7 just like he ruined KH.
It even though this was retconned with the new ending we got for him in Crisis Core, you can still see how tough he was. He took a shot to the back/side when checking cloud, then was filled with a dozen or more bullets. After the first burst, he was still wincing in pain, but the second burst made him bite the dust. I assumed he was getting pumped in the chest. All those bullets would've made a hole.
Imagine this little flashback on disc 3 became the prequel of FF7 and made Zack a household name being the guy that rescued and sacrificed his life for Cloud got shot in the face and multiple times. He fought more than 100 Shinra grunts and he's dead tired while caring for Cloud. Truly a bro.
So sad to see Zack so full of zest and life and vigor and passion and cheer and all that's waiting for him is a hungry grave at the end. At least he made such an impression on Cloud as to keep him going in his legacy.
i love this scene in CC but the original leave more impact..to me..because cloud doesn't even have the opportunity to talk to zack for one last time in this game (unlike CC).. he just died.. and that makes more sense why cloud become crazy sob.. zack just talk to him like a minute ago and now he is dead..just lying dead like that.. no talking, nothing.. with many bullet wound..and cloud was left alone.sick...helpless.. don't know what to do..shit,even tho it just a polygon without voice.. u can feel the craziness, the tragic of the situation..
Yeah, they’re probably going to have Zack make the cliché dramatic speech of “Oh, this item passed from my mentor is yours now. You are my legacy.” is probably going to be shown again. I would hope they combine the CC one with this one but be in Cloud’s eyes for a bit before Zack kills the soldiers offscreen then three soldiers ambush him. Though that’s also considered cliché now so...
BRO I HAD NO FUCKING CLUE ABOUT THIS AUUUGHHHH THERE WASNT ANYTHING LEFT FOR ME THERE I WISH I JUST FUCKED AROUND AND EXPLORED IT MAN THIS IS SO COOOOL
The original director of FF7 wanted death in the game to feel real. Sudden and something you cant prepare for. Not like in Hollywood. He did this primarily because of his own experience with the death of his mother. I really dislike the direction they took with Crisis Core but I've made my peace with it. The original will always exist, just sad I'll never see it in full HD.
You know for the Remake ending, the scene where Zack actually carries Cloud to Midgar in a different timeline(as implied), Cloud may have actually still had been a mercenary anyway alongside with Zack. And possibly, Zack may have switch sides and helped avalanche than fight against them if Tifa had met the two.
Zack dies in the remake too, they just ignored how in Crisis Core came three soldiers and killed him in the end while raining, on the cliff. The only difference is he takes Cloud to the cliff(like the OG game, Cloud is next to him) to make the parallel of him taking Cloud and Cloud exiting the city with Aerith. It is called a cliffhanger ment for people who never played the game. They will question "who was that guy? Why he was taking Cloud? Why did Aerith reacted to him? And a long etc". In Part 2 the gamer will learn he died and who he was.
@@Nico-nc5qb Theres literally reason as to why I said "different timeline", it doesn't matter if Zack died in the original as Zack appears in an entirely different one in a parallel to his original timeline in which he does.
@@Nico-nc5qb Nor' would I say ignore. The developers are obviously aware of how they want the game's continuity to function, even Aerith as a character already knows when loved ones are dead or not from a distance. Zack is dead in the original timeline in the verse, and the crossroad that the characters enter depict a different timeline in parallel to Zack living and being aided by the whisperers.
@@Nico-nc5qb this is why I'm still keen on how they go about it in the Remake. People keep assuming that he's still alive and they're basing it off of CC's version of his death but seemed to have totally forgotten about the Zack's original death in FF7.
@@johngarcia2374 I think this guy is right. The remake goes: Zack gets Cloud to safety, Goes to fight all the shinra grunts, he defeats all them, goes to get his cloud, walks to where Cloud current party is When you incorporate the original you get this. Zack gets Cloud to safety > Goes to face off all the shinra grunts > defeats all the grunts > Goes to get cloud > Get's ambused again(?) > Then the three soldiers come to kill him(?)
Just finished the game and was confused by how Cloud went from Nibelheim to Midgar with Mako infusion inbetween. Then I watched the anime OVA and was glad to have that somewhat cleared up, but felt a bit mad that they "retconned" Zack's apparent death to Sephiroth. can't believe they made this important part of the story optional. the chronology of Cloud's story was difficult to parse without it.
I much prefer this to the way this shit is presented in Crisis Core or FF7R. It's so much more cold and less glorious and I feel like that's the point. Being a SOLDIER doesn't make you immune from the realities of numbers of weaponry. At the end of the day, Zack was just a guy who gets killed and shot to death like anybody else. He's strong but he's not immune to bullets or numbers
There needs to be some changes to this and Crisis Core origins in the Remake. Zack still needs to die, but Cloud in his suffering from constant Mako poisoning makes the beginning of 7 very inconsistent. What I mean is, in CC he's basically fodder. He's got some aptitude with a sword, but he's barely SOLDIER level in the prequel. At the start of 7 he's at least SOLDIER 3rd class in terms of speed, strength, and skill. It would make more sense if in the year they were on the run Zack conditions Cloud to believe he's in Soldier to help with his memory loss and trains him as PT from the Mako poisoning. They can still work in episodes of the Mako poisoning debilitating him as he's still recovering from it in the start of the game. One of his episodes leaves him in a stupor and Zack has to fight off Shinra alone. Dying by the time Cloud reawakens and giving him an incentive to join Avalanche. I understand the Jenova cells had a hand in enhancing his physical abilities, but it doesn't explain his style of sword play, or that he knows Zack's move. It would go along way to setting up Cloud for the beginning of 7 if they at least have him undergo some training with Zack.
@Cameron Pangborn maybe, but I'm counting on Cloud having some recollection of Zack so he could have some form of training to fall back on. If there's a way to accomplish that without him remembering Zack that's fine too, but it fits very well within Cloud's actions of joining Avalanche if he does remember Zack's death and it becomes a motive for him to join.
This is so much better than the Crisis Core version. The scene has more impact when it's over so fast. Zack is a great person who does everything he can to do good and help others and he dies this quick pathetic death in the dirt in the middle of nowhere. It's tragic.
+zawarudo I disagree. The Crisis Core version had more emotional impact and you could see that Zack had bonded with Cloud for many journeys before they both got captured by Hojo. When they escaped, and he took Cloud out of the truck and sat him down by the rocks to fit Hundreds of Shinra soldiers and Helicopters, you knew you were in for an epic fight scene. Zack's relationship with cloud was much more fleshed out and does a better job at explaining what caused Cloud to take one Zack's memory as his own, which of course includes the Soldier 1st class uniform and Buster Sword.
+Jordan Chad Whittingham The scene isn't supposed to be epic. Fighting hundreds of Shinra soldiers makes it come across more like an episode of Gundam Wing than a tragic death scene. That's like saying Aerith's death would have been better if she had a kung fu fight with Sephiroth first. It misses the point of the scene. You're right about Crisis Core fleshing out their relationship more, but that is because it is an entire game dedicated to doing exactly that, and has nothing to do with the quality of the last 10 minutes of the game, which is what we are all talking about in these comments.
+zawarudo I think your just making comparisons so of course CC makes it seem more dramatic. You just prefer this execution instead of CC's which to me had far more depth since it was the entire game was building up to it especially since Zack had so many Jenova cells in him. Taking him out that easily would have been out of character. So it's just down to preference. I personally felt emotional playing CC and fighting all those soldiers. A hero like Zack can't go out that easily but you dont get his background here so having a big scene like that here isn't necessary. In the format of FF7 this scene works perfectly cuz its about Cloud and his reaction or his perspective so the style is effective here. It would not have gone as smoothly in a game all about Zack. You're playing his perspective so they made a more emotional scene to match the build of the plot. Had CC followed exactly the way this scene did it would be as if something's missing. And again, he went out way to easy here. And let's be honest another reason they didn't have it as dramatic is due to the limitations of the graphics. That's a fact.
I'm not sure if I've already said it or not but this scene is better here than in Crisis Core in my opinion, in Crisis Core I'm questioning how someone as Godly as Zack was shown to be was killed by an entire army let alone the fact that he fights an entire army before getting gunned down, in this he's just a human, he's powerful but he's on the level of power you would expect, in this scene he gets blindsided by some dudes, takes care of them, comes back to check up on Cloud and while he's off guard he's killed by one guy with an ordinary rifle, he wasn't some beast that took an entire army to take down he was just a human that was loved by the people who knew him. It wasn't a God that was felled in the field that day just a man that cared about his friends and wanted his freedom back, Zack still has great character traits in Crisis Core I just think it's very over-exaggerated, in Crisis Core they killed Zack quite respectably, he never had his back turned and almost brute forced his way through an entire army, here Shinra is shown to be the vile dogs they're portrayed as being, while Zack's back was turned they shoot him and confirm that he is dead, he was dead before he ever even got to say his last words, it's far more tragic and makes for a much better scene because of it, Zack is shot the same amount of times in Crisis Core at the end, which is an insane amount of wounds to survive, especially to survive a whole minute after being shot that many times in fatal areas. In Crisis Core I don't even understand how Zack loses despite being up against an entire army, in this game we know that he was weak in comparison to people like Sephiroth, although he was strong he had human limits, it's an unfair way to die but it makes sense, he's human and he was gunned down without honour, fair play or respect, a great man gunned down like he was nothing, it's really powerful when there are scenes like this in media, like Devil May Cry 1 with Griffon, he seems like the greatest thing ever to everyone around him and then just because he had his back turned he was killed in no more than a few seconds really, even the best people we know can die at something that they seem better then, it's a reminder that as precious as life is it is also fragile. We might seem great and powerful, you'd never want or expect a friend of yours to just die from something so "small" some day but any of us could, it's a sad reality and as a scene it's almost a perfect tragedy, Cloud's idle, Zack wasn't killed in honour by a powerful opponent, it didn't take the World or a Supernova to take him down, he was just taken by surprise and killed in just a few moments from an ordinary rifle, it's what made it so much more tragic.
I just finished Crisis Core again...and now I think this is too way more sad than Crisis Core Ending. There was Zack, thinking about future, about business with his bestie Cloud. :'(
I find this much better than the CC version- it just seems a bit melodramatic to me. Mind you I think the same can be said about all of the expanded compilation of FF7... I'm looking at you AC!
Melodramatic is a phrase? And no I don't see any contradiction- CC is much more melodramatic than this version. Having said that since its a JRPG I think melodrama is roughly 90% of the game :p
rewatching this before playing the remake. It still baffles me how they put such an important canon scene part of the entire final fantasy IMPORTANT story as "secret" scene to find.
I’VE PLAYED THE ORIGINAL JUST A MONTH AGO AND I’VE NEVER ENCOUNTERED THIS SCENE LIKE EVER. IVE EVEN FINISHED ALL THE SIDEQUEST LIKE GETTING YUFFIE AND VINCENT. I’VE ALSO DONE THE CHOCOBO SIDEQUEST(I’VE ACQUIRED GOLD, BLACK, BLUE, AND GREEN CHOCOBO). AND ALSO DEFEATED EMERALD AND RUBY WEAPON AND ALSO ACQUIRED FINAL LIMIT BREAKS AND ALL THE ULTIMATE WEAPONS FOR ALL CHARACTERS INCLUDING AERITH. HOW THE HELL DID I MISS THIS SCENE??
Wait, this means in the ff7 remake ending, Zack may not survive like we thought, the scene shows he did beat the whole army, and he carried Cloud toward Midgard, so we thought he survived. But maybe when he is carrying Cloud he got shot by those guards and died, like this clip
I’d say his death is still uncertain. We know Stamp is a different breed of dog, indicating the Zack we see “surviving” is in another dimension (not timeline) than the Remake dimension. Another thing is that the rain only starts up once Zack has died in both Crisis Core and the original game, but it starts up while the party and Zack both cross paths (in separate dimensions), the big thing being Zack and Cloud are still alive and well while the rain has started. It was made very clear in game that for whatever reason, the final battle and Zack’s final battle are happening at the exact same time, hence the whispers fading away from Midgar after Cloud and the gang defeated them in both worlds. There’s definitely a world where Zack survives, since there’s literally a universe for everything. Whether the Zack we see is from that world, we don’t know until a definitive answer comes out. I think it would be a good twist if Square killed him off the “original” way after setting up the expectation that he survived the Crisis Core ending. At the same time, he was ranked the #1 in Japan at one point, indicating he has been a fan favorite, and Nomura is directing the game, so I’d wager Zack’s got a fair chance at being alive in that world we see carrying Cloud to Midgar. That being said, it’s pretty pathetic seeing arguments about the fate of said character. It’s one thing to speculate, but it’s another thing once insults over opinions start flying
Exactly. I think SE intentionally did this to confuse veteran fans while also confusing newcomers. I believe that his death in FFVIIR is actually just a combination of Crisis Core and the OG.
It's raining in end of Remake when Zack is walking with Cloud. Every time Zack died, it started raining when he was already gunned down. Original especially, it didn't start to rain until Cloud sees Zack's dead body.
Final Fantasy 7 would have been different game if Zack survived and made it to Midgard with Cloud. Interesting to wondering how it would have turned out.
I think the ending of remake and trailer for rebirth is going to cover that I remember your comment and came back to say this lol. Zack and Cloud seem to have made it to midgar
Zack is like "Let's go on an adventure, me and you, catatonic guy who clearly needs some medic and psychiatric help asap. We are best friends now!" "Ughhh" "Why don't you ever answer me?"
Everyone assume Zack is Alive in remake but i think Zack still death, how after beating all soldier Zack on his weakened state bring cloud and go to midgar right and here how his death that Zack get shot when Cloud on his side so
John Wick that’s kinda weird as Zack was originally just an alternate design of Cloud, so yes he still dies but don’t get why some people act like he and Aerith sense each other zack never does much and she just sort of sighs. That whole scene is basically a flashback for Cloud and we all know he was drugged up still at that point tl;dr: don’t trust fever dreams lol
True. Everyone just assumes that "Zack is alive!" and don't even notice that it is just after the fight with all the shinra soldiers he drags Cloud to that cliff where he finally dies. You can clearly see this cliff at the end of FFVII remake ending cutscene. They don't have to show his death yet, because new players don't even have the context yet. That was just a teaser of Zack to new people and a shitstorm of discussion for old fans.
@@kissaku yeah that what i mean, they trying to combine Zack death from crisis Core fighting hundred Shinra troop with ffvii og death getting ambushed near the cliff
@@makhyusnimakhyusni401 Well Crisis Core was the. New official Zack death. This is Nomura we are talking about. He dies at night time and he never stops fighting until night time. He is so weak he can barley lift his sword then is finished off by the final Shinra Infantrymen. The new ending shows he won and that he stopped fighting in daytime. Biggs lives and Hojo never got his face messed up from Red XIII. More than likely he is alive. How long? Who knows but different timeliness now exist
Honestly I think the Crisis Core version was a butchering of this scene. What made this so heartbreaking was how Shinra felt the need to kill him so brutally. It came off as an an escaped experiment that Shinra would rather annihilate than reason with. In Crisis Core, Zack is so powerful and kills so many people than when he finally dies, it's justified. He deserves it. The world of Final Fantasy VII is one where you are meant to identify with the people. When he brutally murders so many Shinra soldiers, those are real people being slaughtered. He deserves to die after that. But when he's on the run and just fights the few he must before being brutally executed, as happens here? Now that's powerful.
However those people your defending are evil. shinra is a evil company so those real people are just cannon fodder to them, they only get paid to clean there mess up so the public will treat them as the good guys.
Shinra is cruel and they may treat their soldiers poorly but the soldiers are still previously good people who were corrupted by propaganda and promise of a better life. Even Zack joined Shinra previously. Saying an organization is bad doesn't mean its employees are bad.
@@wormgroup I don't get your point. In both cases, Zack kills some Shinra soldiers that would have killed him otherwise. He was chased for weeks, had hundreds of guns pointed at his head, and finally fought back, I'm not sure one can call that "brutal murder"
As far as I'm concerned THIS is still how Zack died. Quick, painful, brutal, tragic and with no time for final goodbyes. No ridiculously over-the-top animu swordbattles against an entire army, no cringeworthy final speeches or hilariously awkward screams to be heard. Here's to hoping the remake captures this scene faithfully and not the dogshit from Crisis Core.
I agree 100%. This one feels more real, and believable. Warriors don't go out in cinematic glory, it is typically sudden and tragic I hope the remake gives Zack more character via flashbacks, but maintains the dark simplicity of his death scene.
Personally I prefer this version because it's more "real" than the one in cirsis core. CC gave Zack an embellished, more heroic death. While, sure, makes it more showy, and more "Dramatic" it feels a lot less harsh, and cold than his death in this game. In the real world, there aren't any showy or heroic deaths. Even great heros meet endings such as this. Life happens, random crap like this HAPPENS. Death can happen suddenly, and even great warriors can be taken out by a small mob. Hell even in history several heroes, or other such figures have died random deaths such as this. It doesn't make Zack and "Weaker" or "less bad ass", it makes this whole incident feel a lot more tragic, and realistic. The nature of the death also serves to fuck Cloud up more. At least in CC Cloud seemed to have gotten SOME closure with Zack, and even though it still probably would have negatively affected him for a while, I don't think it would have possibly messed him up to the degree it did in VII. He wouldn't have tried to completely block Zack out of his memory. In this game Zack died suddenly, and without closure. It's natural that a half awake cloud, having found Zack's dead corpse upon waking out, would have reacted the way he did. Personally, it makes more sense from a story telling stand point, than it does a "dramatic" stand point.
Totally agree with everything you said. Life's a crapshoot and it can end in a second, no matter how skilled you are. Having played the original FF7 as a kid, I may be a little biased, but I like this idea better.
Edo Nagori right on the money. None of Cloud's actions leading up to VII make any sense in the least if CC's version happened, and this version is so much truer to death and loss as well.
Yeah, this is gritty. Trying to save his friend they shoot him up then, even when pretty much dead, keep shooting him to make sure. It's dark but real. Cloud doesn't get a speech but decides to avenge his friends death for the simple fact he was killed mercilessly.
Real by the standards of real life? I can understand that. Real by the standards of the story? Not in the slightest. Allow me to explain. By the standards of real life, this would be believable. However, considering this story features super-soldiers and magic and that Zack was a 1st Class SOLDIER, having him die by just three Shinra troopers would definitely not be believable. Really, the definition of realism in stories doesn't simply mean following real-life to the letter, it means making your world believable, primarily by following the rules established within the setting (for example, many ,myself included, dislike the whole Seryu having a hidden gun in her mouth in Akame Ga Kill due to the fact it completely defies logic within the story itself considering it's not justified in-story in any way) Consider that members of SOLDIER are pretty much Shinra's tough muscle, particularly those in 1st Class. Yeah, you could argue that the SOLDIER enemies in this game aren't that powerful but that's because SOLDIER's standards dropped over the course of a few years (and the fact that Heidegger took over and it's shown he's pretty incompetent) . After everything that happened in Crisis Core, such as Genesis, Angeal and Sephiroth defecting as well as Genesis turning quite a few of the 2nd and 3rd class into Genesis copies they had to get their top fighting force's numbers back up, even if it means inflating it by lowering standards. And from what we see in the original Final Fantasy VII Zack was definitely not one of those who became 1st Class because Shinra didn't want to appear as weak. As for why they sent an army of faceless grunts in Crisis Core? Simply put, that was Shinra's cheapest option. They could have sent whatever members left within SOLDIER after him, but there's a high chance they would end up dead and leave Shinra even worse off, making it a more severe pyrrhic victory for them. To them, the grunts were more of less faceless, expendable drones that could be replaced much more easily than members of SOLDIER. And lucky for Shinra, they had plenty.
This is a much better scene that Crisis Core Game ruined. In this, Zack dies not even knowing he saved Cloud, there is no speech about Cloud "becoming his living legend" or passing his sword to Cloud, and especially no cheesy sun coming out after the rain. Just the fact that the best person Cloud has known until that point dying and getting shot to death...a death he didn't deserve (no big battle either). Amazing!
Props to you if you INSTANTLY got on your copy of FF7 just to see this amazing scene, just now realizing that it exists, 21 years after the game came out.
Whose goddamn idea was this to make this an OPTIONAL scene?
Agreed, it's such a major event.
Yetaxa i know right
Yetaxa Well, to be fair, this was back in the day when games rewarded gamers for, well, playing the game and not having it spoon-fed to them. ;-; FF7 encouraged exploration and demanded gamers put in the effort if they wanted the goods. Hell, you couldn't get two characters in your roster if you didn't put in the work to obtain them (Vincent and Yuffie). This, to me, made the world more open and unpredictable. I also think it was nice FF7 gave the power of control and experience to the gamers. It made obtaining those extra scenes and items more fulfilling.
While that's true it's also true that if you were playing this when it came out there's a good chance you didn't even know these scenes and characters were in the game so you didn't try to find them, so people would have missed out on a lot
Yeah... except getting this scene required you to revisit a map you'd already visited for two totally different quests at two totally different times. Not exactly the most likely or forseeable outcome.
Conceivably a game designer could pick a single pixel in the middle of a giant world map and reward the grinder who found it with an instant victory. Oh gee, what a brilliant accomplishment that would be. What a glorious paen to "openness" and "unpredictability". It'd be super "fulfilling" to see the one guy who finally figured out how to win after 500+ hours of grinding.
That guy would be the coolest. You kinda sound like you might be him.
This is a hidden cutscene in the game. After you restore Cloud's Memory, go back to the basement of Nibelheim Manor and then you can view it.
This is to people who are wondering why they didn't see this scene after they beat the game.
Raheem Plummer I wouldn't be surprised if the Final Fantasy VII remake redid this scene.
***** Are you sure? I don't see why they can't keep this scene original.
I already know Square Enix won't do it.
Square Enix made it clear that Final Fantasy VII remake won't be Final Fantasy VII with just updated graphics.
***** That's kind of obvious.
Did you like the Crisis Core version of this scene better than the original?
+MrDarkSun01 the Crisis Core version of this scene is the biggest piece of shit i've ever seen, this one is far more poignant, theres a finality to it, no stupid speach about living legacy crap, theres the way how the shinra soldiers decide cloud is a nonissue because of his problems, how they stand over Zack and unload a load of bullets on him, how cloud slowly reaches to zack and comes to the realization that hes dead, and he gets broken even further accompanied with his scream(the only thing CC did good), etc
i seriously hope they dont use that crap, unlike the CC scene, a properly redone original FF7 scene would be far more powerful than that overdramatized piece of crap
***** Zack is literally a Gary stu in this game, everyone loves him, besides the villains for plot convenience, is behind major decisions of other FF7 characters and the le epic Last Stand and shitty death scene with muh legacy speach, but thats just some of the problems in CC, like the raping of the other characters personalities baring a few, and literally nothing characters like angeal, but genesis was the worst, when SE shoved him into important events of the original FF7 just to make him more important than he is, problem is that hes boring and not really that interesting as a character
maiden that travels the planet is semi-canon, while the work is never specifically referenced and most isnt canon, certain parts of it are referenced or adapted into FF7 lore
one of the things i hope they do in the remake is show us what Aerith does in the lifestream, maybe woven into the games, or some post game unlock
The most forgotten character=the truck driver
Pops had no idea :'( he thought Zack had his whole life ahead of him
Carla Still young he said... try everything he said.... ohh boy if he only knew zack didn’t have that much time left
@@dadjyker58 Zack was dead within 30 minutes, it hits me hard every time
Do you guys think the Shinra scumbags also killed the truck driver?
@@Lvlaple4Ever The driver could have been the one to tip off Shinra!
Those soldiers could've easily ended Final Fantasy 7 before it even begun. lol
Yeah really. All it took was one word from the captain and everything would have been drastically different.
Really makes you think.
and sephiroth would have gone around just killing everyone and no one would be able to stop him.. wow what a game changer because they just left one unconscious guy alone who thought he was harmless..
The symbol is that kindness and mercy saves the world, and later when cloud kills sephiroth there is another symbol that standing up to evil and killing evil saves the world. Good literature.
no it would've just been about barret and tifa
Probably thought he was already dead or dying, so they did bother to waste bullets.
To ppl who keeps calling Zack weak. No, he wasn’t weak he was just tired and primarily thinking about his friend Cloud’s well-being. No chance to rest and being on the run for a year was Zack’s downfall.
Seriously. He only got shot because he went back to check on Cloud and was caught off guard
In Crisis Core, they showed that he battled an entire army before going down. And you can bet that’s they are going in that direction in the remake. This is the ps1 you’re talking about. The hardware is just way too limited to show off such grandiose stuff.
@LesEnfants1972 No. The characters just weren't as ridiculous as they are in the Compilation. Hence Cloud and Co. having problems getting rubble off Cid, Cloud needing a dolphin's help to reach a high spot instead of just leaping himself, how the party was defenseless against guard robots, Sephiroth getting stabbed in the back by a rookie.
Also the fact that Zack was just finished fighting Genesis as well
Aaron9 crisis core is considered canon now
*When the Shinra Commander sees Cloud causing Terrorist attacks on the news when he hooks up with avalanche*
I’m so fired
I love how idealistic and positive Zack is during this scene. Even though the odds are devastatingly stacked against them, he’s keeping morale up by trying to get Cloud to talk, but also talking about hopes and dreams and stuff. After this although he seriously wants to be with Aerith, he sacrificed himself to protect Cloud
Hero
Well, I mean he is called Zack Fair. He's the positive to Cloud Strife being the negative.
And that was his price of freedom.
It sounded like he wanted to hang at Aeris' for a booty call, but remembered "Oh crap, her mom would be there though." This was before they made Zack into an righteous Christ-like figure, and it was so much better before they did.
@@andysan3764 "christ like figure" boy what kind of bible have you been reading did Jesus give him the buster sword 😆 🤣
The thing that pains me the most about Zack’s death, is when the shines soldiers shot him, they dumped a whole clip in his body. When I watched that I was as angry as Aerith’s death.
Magazine not clip
@@559F13Pupp3tCharlie?
"I got a place I can crash for a while"......."No wait, the mother lives there, too...." I only now get what that meant.... and she's still writing letters.
+The Batch Code Timeline wise, he got that letter several months, almost a year after her writing it. Unfortunately, enough time to move on.
She (Aerith) figured Zack ran off with another woman. Keep that in consideration.
@@galten7361 aerith knows that zack died since she has a connection with the lifestream ; she doesn't accept the fact that zack died so she convince herself that zack run away with another woman
@zack fair Except Elmyra didn't want Zack around her daughter, Zack noticeably says he won't go to Aerith's home since he knows that Elmyra's there, and most importantly Cloud's Soldier persona was modeled on Zack (and Soldier Cloud didn't act like Zack does in CC).
@@galten7361 i know
Zack in his original death: doesn’t have a chance to fight and gets killed by only few soldiers . Zack in crisis core: fights an army until he’s drained and dies
Zack in remake: fights until he’s killed every last person. I feel like Zack is getting stronger by every time he dies lol
It makes so much sense that he managed to kill all soldiers, since he is a succesful experiment of jenova
@@darshio8307 are Soldiers made with Jenova cells?
@@boozeman4749 yeah the members of SOLDIER undergo experiments to turn them into super soldiers.
@@boozeman4749 i don't think the soldiers not made by hojo do? I could be wrong.
I think his fight with the army happens when he goes offscreen at 4:24, but it's sped up
I love how Crisis Core casually changed the number of soldiers from 3 to like 400
It made more sense in CC, as he was pretty strong in that game to be taken out by 3 measly grunts. It took him wasting all of his energy and a shot from behind to take him down. In the original game, there just wasnt enough backstory on Zach to showcase him taking on a whole army.
@RedGheauxst There is no grounds to believe that members of SOLDIER who aren't Sephiroth can hold their own with entire armies of men with guns and helicopter. That's ridiculous and at odds with what we see the characters who aren't Sephiroth do.
@@galten7361 The only 1st class SOLDIER members we see ARE Zack and Sephiroth, though.
@CrazyRiverOtter Zack gets gunned down like a dog. Cloud (who was subject to the same testing as actual SOLDIER members) with the backing of Avalanche still gets captured by robots, has trouble lifting rubble, and needs a dolphin to reach a really high ledge. We have enough evidence from the game to know that the characters weren't capable of the stunts we see them do in the Compilation.
@ the death of Zack in the context of Crisis Core made sense. They had setup that particular ending in Last Order. You are not going to showcase a characters abilities against powerful foes just to have him die off a minor misstep. It would be a slap in the face to anyone playing the game.
I cried in Crisis Core. The sacrifice for someone's safety and never see his love again.
Pixel Shira came after Zack since the beginning, cause he’s a ‘successful experiment’ that escaped from the lab, so they can’t let him go. He did save Cloud, but I won’t call that sacrifice through, after all Hojo not even cared about Cloud until he show his unexpected potential in FFVII.
Zack wasn't presented as Aerith's one and only in FF7. Aerith admits she figured he ran off with another woman, her step-mother tells Cloud to not hurt her step-daughter like Zack did, and Aerith shows she sees beyond how Cloud reminds her of Zack for how close she is with her blonde SOLDIER.
The bits you see in the Compilation pushing Zack and Aerith together with no other alternatives is just an example of how the original's shades of grey or doubt were bulldozed away. Especially in Advent Children where Aerith and Zack are somehow together in Lifestream Land despite what FF7's metaphysics established (namely that humans do not have separate souls/essences that remain separate after death).
Yeah me too
@@galten7361 Ok, what's your point
@@VeryNormalGuy9Spoilers ahead:
I don't recall either of them being labeled as "successful experiments"
Zack had already been enhanced with Mako which affected the Jenova cell implants and while Cloud hadn't been subjected to any previous procedures, he was susceptible to Mako Poisoning and didn't express the results Hojo wanted until WAAAYYYY later in the game _after_ his layers of subconscious protection from trauma were shattered.
Hojo labeled them both a failure, there were documents in Crisis Core stating so.
I like the small detail of him dying because he was checking to make sure cloud was okay. Had he just been concerned about himself, he probably could’ve survived.
Damn, does anyone else find this incredibly disturbing?! The fact that we watch the troops shoot Zach after he's down... :(
Violent death is always disturbing. It's not pretty or "epic" despite what Crisis Core tries to say.
Galten crisis core’s death was epic, but it was still disturbing.
@@denimchicken104 more than anything it's sad especially if you have had dreams where you die.
I dreamt that some crazy shooter was in the streets shooting people and I saw him shoot a fat woman. Blood and everything. Then he found me hiding. As he shot me the bullets sprayed closer to my face.
I felt intense sadness and impotence as I accepted my death. As a bullets reached my face I died. Rather than blacking out I whited out and immediately woke up after. Seriously felt like another life.
It's really crazy but that's what makes me imagine Zack's death as really sad.
I think we can all agree. Zack Fair is the *best* bro anyone could ask for. Even though Cloud was a massive burden to take with him and one could even have wrote him off due to his broken mental state.....he never abandoned him.
yup. he was the best person to be around. i even find it hard to imagine doing what he did for someone i barely knew, even if they were a friend. not sure if i could live with the mental and physical burden of taking care and dragging your friend across the country with no food, water, or shelter for 9 months. just adds to the list of why his death was so sad lol
After many years, I can honestly say that Zack's death here is way more sad than Crisis Core. He just kind of gets killed with his back turned, no final words to his friend.
Crisis Core romanticized the hell out of it. Especially with that awful dialogue.
@@andreseh87 yep. Seems like ff7 remake will go a similar direction with dialogues. That really bothers me. Cliche and cringe dialogue.
Well, you can tell that Final Fantasy 7 was, if not written by, then at least directed by someone that was suffering the personal loss that comes from an unexpected death- almost all the deaths that occur in the game are very sudden, very... visceral, let's say. And they leave the characters reeling in the wake of that sudden death. The characters didn't have time to exchange last words with Biggs, Wedge, Jessie, Aeris, or Zack in the original game. This speaks of someone who was thinking about death and the rift it makes between people, and wanted to really explore that.
Meanwhile, the remake and the... post-7 stuff basically tries using a lot of purple prose and heavy (and some might say unnecessary) symbolism to try and give everything more weight. Like... Zack is dying from being shot up by a million bullets and missiles, courtesy of fighting off an entire army of Shinra Grunts, but he somehow has more than enough strength to give off a fairly well-said farewell speech to Cloud, as well as give him a hug and even lift up his massive sword with one hand and and give it to the guy. It kind of undersells the "dying" aspect in favor of the "please feel emotions, now" side of it.
And I'm not berating anyone who's reading this for feeling something from that, but I think that style of writing speaks more of someone who is preoccupied _with_ writing, rather than someone who is trying to convey something more personal and intimate, which is what I feel the original game was trying to do.
@@Adorni nah it was just limitation
I just beat Crisis Core a few mins ago and saw this.
This one is way more sad cause they just unleash on him at close range and he simply dies.
It was a huge shock for me when I see some people actually believes that Zack doesn't exist in the original game and was added in the spin-offs.
To be honest they kinda have a point, Cloud’s flashback about Zack was a last-minute addition to FF7 international version, It never happened in the initial Japanese version.
I never saw this scene in the original FFVII when I played it years ago for whatever reason, though I do remember Zack shows up very briefly in some of the other flashbacks. If I only had that experience with the character, I'd have probably never expected them to make a game about him.
@@Thamauturge If my memory isn't wrong, this scene is actually optional. Which means you are able to miss it.
@@Thamauturge Also, just like what the one replied to me earlier said, he wasn't really introduced in the Initial Japanese Version.
This game is a masterpiece
True
You said, mate
I love the game but it is not a masterpiece
@Aaron9 no need to bring out your insecurities this is my favorite game of all time but it has flaws at least I can admit that but hey keep on drinking some of that ff7 cool aid.
Zack Original death is more brutal in the OG.
Another point for the OG 1997.
No dialouge whatsoever. Yet the way Cloud's model trembles as he faces the sky, raindrops beginning to pour, as the camera pans out...
Edit: Sigh, I'm REALLY gonna miss those cute, chibi-looking field models in the remake...
Dialogue*
You're going to miss this scene, too
@@alexroberts6950 yeah but you could always go play crisis core if you wanna see him die...
How are you going to miss it? Just play the original. They still sell it. Its not lime they are removing it with the release of the remake. Seriously, people exagerate shit.
HaviboX lol exactly
I prefer this version. It's far more tragic for Cloud to stumble across an already dead body. Helps contribute to his mental breakdown.
Agree.
I disagree
When Zack said "you'll be my living legacy" it was soo tragic because it was one of the heaviest burdens for Cloud to wear.
Maybe it’s because I haven’t played crisis core but I prefer this. Also he doesn’t yell here
@@pr0jectzero281 the scene in CC was more about Zack than it was about Cloud. And his death was one of the most tragic events in FF I ever saw. Play it tho, it is a great game.
I lived 20 years without knowing of this scene.
21!!!!!! 21 god damn years and i am just now fully coming to understand what exactly happened.
Phil Pacific play crisis core
29 years for me!!
I just found this yesterday, and beat the game 5 years ago, lol. Glad to find it though, I thought this was only in Crisis Core.
@@aleisshiki3649 no, don’t do that, the dialogue takes away the impact of the sudden death and the complete silence that absolutely makes this scene so impactful.
If you guys want to experience this scene in the original game, go to the basement of the Shinra mansion in Nibelheim anytime after Cloud and Tifa recover his memories in the lifestream.
I feel like Zack is the kind of character that really doesn't need all this supplementary material made about him. The whole point of the character's existence is to service the plot twist with Cloud. I'm not knocking people who like him, I like him. But I feel the truck scene alone gets across who he is, an optimistic guy full of zest, remaining loyal to his friend in a helpless catatonic state. Which makes his death hit so much harder where he's brutally and suddenly taken away when he was so close to his destination.
Except that it doesn't clearly establish how any of this happened overall. Like how do you know that Zack knew Cloud enough to go out of his way to call him a friend and put on a whole ordeal to protect him?
@@ThanhNgo-jn7bm @user-xc4os6gg3u It could've just been a random act of kindness. They didn't have to be best or even good friends for Zack to do this. Zack could've felt sick of Shinra because they basically caused Sephiroth + Nibelheim (not to mention the experiments he himself endured). He might've realized that fighting for Shinra his whole life was a fucking waste, so out of spite for Shinra and himself he decided to do one little good thing and help Cloud survive. Before all this they could've just been acquaintances, but that wouldn't mean that Zack would just leave him behind. That's how I read the OG, at least.
@Thanh Ngo because here Zack calls Cloud a friend. So notwithstanding their previous relationship, at least after everything they've been through Zack does consider him to be a friend.
Bingo. FF7 original was always Cloud's story. And even then, with what little we saw of Zack, it was enough to punch us in the gut.
@@ThanhNgo-jn7bmWe know this through little things called understatement and subtext, which the original game had and all the Compilation media stamps out to remove any possible ambiguity or nuance and spell out every theme and story detail in big red letters.
major plot point hiddent away. and the fact that he dies so unceremoniously. makes this scene hit so much a harder than crisis core
this is so true. no hero's ending. no fighting 100 soldiers. just an act of kindness (saving cloud) punished in a cruel way.
Well death can be pretty brutal even when you know it's coming. Even more so when you don't see it coming.
"Embrace your dreams... And, whatever happens, protect your honor... as SOLDIER! Come and get it!"
"My honor, my dreams, they're yours now."
"I'm your... living legacy...."
Zack wasn't designed to have a close relationship with Cloud. In FF7, Cloud only speaks of Zack once when he's recovered from his overdose of make aboard the Highwind, and then never mentions him again.
Cloud: "Zack who?"
@@ZSleepingDragonZ exactly. The sad thing about Cloud's past is he never remember Zack clearly.
This is Crisis Core Bullshit. The real story of Zack and Cloud is this one from FF VII 1997. Crisis Core had a bad compatibility with FF VII 1997 in many ways. They took too much freedom with new things, it was bad or meh... for the most of them.
nobody cared until crisis core came out. Crisis Core was my first game and Zack has always and always will be my favorite final fantasy character
A good place to start in the story.
well, crisis core was the start of it all and a good place to start since they reanimated the death scene here .. here it was harsh on how they just killed em and went their mary way out
Extremely true.
Mygingerguy totally, i dont understand all who complain about CC and hating on it since cloud actually lost his memories in ff7 but in ff7 was told in clouds point of view while discarding zack as a flash back ... hence CC was called the missing chapter ...
Nathan Burger Not entirely true, Ive always been intrigued by Zack and have wanted to learn of his story. Was so happy when Crisis Core came out and provided me the opportunity
Its bitter irony that Zack was killed by the same enemy of Cloud"s first battle!!!!!!!!!!
Cloud's first battle was only a few
Zack's battle was againts hundreds of them
If you were ther would you even bare to fight?
@PJs Me Name you think i don't know that? Sure you can because you just said it XD
2020
In crisis core Zack also mention that he's not feeling the same after the experiment on him. ( Feeling weaker).
@@RIELTURO Yeah, on the fight you got a bad status, you will hit a little and take a lot of damage. =( Even with 9999 hp
Why is it that we get more character development from a character we never see in a hidden 5 minute scene than a modern day game
Triple A games are now more worrief about to have more impact instead of feeling real.
@@darshio8307 Yeah definitely
The crisis core whole army version is amusing in a over the top sort of way.
But this is much more effective Zacks not a Shonen hero who saved world and took on armies. He's just a good dude who died protecting his friend
I always assumed that he fights the army when he runs off screen. Each to their own but this always bugged me in OG. Why kill just Zack and not Cloud too? I mean his just laying there.
I get Cloud isn't a big threat to them but his still a target. They just wanted to save a few bullets I guess. I personally like CC's ending because Zack hides Cloud so his not in the open.
@BoozeMan
But would have come to that conclusion without crisis core?
The original has a less over the top feel to it. Crisis cores satisfying in a way but feels more like a glorious send off than the quick brutality of the original
With cloud it may have been a bit of pity. A it's one thing to kill a soldire it's another to off a guys that's mentally deranged laying face down.. not that leaving him is much better or maybe the guy figured he was dying already given how he acted
@@leonevelake I always thought he fought some soldiers off screen before I played CC. I get what you're saying about the glorious send off though. But I don't know if at the end of CC Zack gets sniped and Cloud takes his sword without a word, would be a great ending to a game.
Say what you want about CC but that ending is the best part of the game.
@@boozeman4749 "But I don't know if at the end of CC Zack gets sniped and Cloud takes his sword without a word, would be a great ending to a game."
But that a big problem with crisis core they wanted to go into sort of final fantasy story beats (with a lot of modern shonen tropes ) instead of doing a straight prequel.
So we end up with a pretty goofy zack that talks a lot about wanting to be a hero, we get all kinds of retcons and new characters
@@leonevelake I'm not sure what you mean by Shonen tropes but to me Zack has always been a goofy character. This is a guy who asked a complete stranger what he thinks he'd be good at. While doing squats in a moving truck.😂
Yeah there's some new characters but let's not forget that CC was the "last" of the compilation. So the only new character that I can think of is Angeal. Maybe?
Yeah they retconned Genius into Nibelheim. Which I'm not a fan of. The other retcons I don't really mind. Like the colour of SOLDIERS uniforms and the way that Zack dies. But that's just me.
I definitely prefer this death story to that of Crisis Core. It's far more human. They swooped in and took Zack out when he was barely ready. It could have happened to anyone and it only highlights the gutless cowardice of who you're up against. It's cool to go down in a blaze of glory against like a thousand guys, a literal fucking army, but there's something raw about the original that can't be topped.
Couldn't have said it better
But it makes sense that he can take almost the whole army as he was experimented on with Jenova cells for four years and his body didn't reject them like Cloud's did.
@@mr.awesome6011 That's incredibly narratively unsatisfying and lame.
@@MarkTheMagnificent despite how lame it is to you it still makes sense at the end of the day he's still a 1st class soldier
@@thedarkderp2520 it's bad storytelling is what it is.
thats really sad he was such a good friend to cloud and saved his life, he almost made it to Midgar as well, i like how hes such a big part of the game even though we see him only a few times
I hope they mix the two scenes together. Like show more of Zack and how Cloud looked up to him but also keep it short. Put more emphasis on how unfair Zack's death was but without blowing it out of proportion.
All of the violent deaths in FF7 are "blown out of proportion" as you call it since death from bloodshed is not pretty, "valiant", or (ugh) "epic." This is something Crisis Core missed.
They should do it like the second half of Zack's final battle in crisis core. Have him weak and vulnerable, but still able to fight off the soldiers for a good while. But I think his death should be just like the original, with him being taken off-guard and killed immediately, as Cloud holds the sword of his now-deceased best friend
All I can say is the remake is lookin confusing as hell😂
SE: "PSYCHE!"
...Honestly, I think watching both this scene (for maybe the first time since I didn't trigger it) and Zack's death in Crisis Core have both have an emotional impact on me. I played Crisis Core before I even got close to playing VII itself. Crisis Core made me appreciate more things than I realized, and because of that game, Zack is one of my most favorite protagonists of all time. His death is one that will forever make me cry no matter how many times I see it. The death in Crisis Core emphasized Zack's heroic nature, and he was able to properly pass his legacy on to Cloud. Seeing this death now, it feels a bit more realistic, seeing Zack just die instantly from the shots compared to being able to speak with Cloud one more time... and then seeing Cloud just take the Buster Sword away. It actually made me a bit angry seeing such a thing.
So, yeah... No matter which death is "better," they still hold a plethora of impact over those who grow with Zack.
Hmm playing CC before the main game... I don't know about that, it's like watching Star wars 1-3 before 4-6, kinda sucks to get explanations for plotholes without even knowing the plot itself, spoilers alot of things for you.
o.o That's true. But in my case, it was honestly by coincidence. I hardly knew anything about VII, never played it, only knew of it in name, and of Cloud and Aerith. Heck, I didn't even know Zack EXISTED until I picked up Crisis Core.
I've already played everything in the VII saga...
*****
I think this scene sets up Cloud's forming of false memories and a new persona-based partly on Zack-much better. In CC, Cloud gets closure and it's all wrapped up in a nice neat bow. Here, it shows how helpless and guilty Cloud feels just watching his friend die and not even making it to him to say goodbye or have the sword passed on. He just took it, and part of Zack's personality, right from his corpse.
Yeah, that's true. It does fit the VII persona far more than Crisis Core.
This is so much more tragic than in CC! (Though the CC got me all choked up each time I saw it too). The fact that Zack dies, the rain comes, and then Cloud comes to only to find his friend who has been dragging him around for about a year(?) has just been killed. Just when he can move on his own and speak a little (presumably) it's already too late.
I think the main themes of FF7 were dealing with loss and finding a sense of identity. And I think a point was made about it being sudden and feeling helpless about the situation, but having that guilt. Zack's death here is very similar to Aerith's if you compare Cloud's position and I think that's the point. It was sudden and Cloud couldn't do anything about it, even though he was there.
Imagine it with the visuals of CC. Put's Cloud down, goes and fights an army, then comes back all worn out and nearly done for and checks on Cloud(that would be a touching moment, maybe Zack even thought it was all over). Then gets hit by a super powerful bullet that throws him back and then gets riddled with bullets. Cloud might even be able to see it all happening.
Later when he goes to see Zack, he's already dead. It's too late.
Cloud takes the sword and as the viewer you know what that means. Cloud becomes his living legacy. It doesn't need to be spelt out.
I would miss the part where Zack grabs Clouds head and gives him a bloody hug, and the way Cloud speaks zombie-like pretty much repeating what Zack says, but overall I think it would be more impacting if things were left closer to the original.
Out of everything FF7 related, this is the last thing I've actually watched and it kinda changes everything! I really did think that Cloud thought he was Zack because in his dazed state he misinterpreted Zacks words. But that's not the case.
But, I understand they would have wanted to give more closure for Zack's ending after making a full game about him. (But I thought they made this scene first, then made the story?) And they've added it into Advent Children, so I can't imagine the remake of FF7 to be any closer to the original. But I would like them to try.
I'm not a fan of the Jpop music coming in so suddenly after Cloud's scream.
Funny thing I noticed about this is that Zack didn't catch Cloud when he opened the tube. He just let him fall on the floor. And in the wastelands he just put him on the ground face down, not nicely sitting up against a rock.
Oh yea, and I did always wonder if they got fed.
+TheGinga exactly, thats why i'm scared that they're gonna use the overdramatized rendition, with the living legacy bullshit that was in CC, instead of remaking this scene
Did you come up with loss and identity yourself or from the completionist?
+plushworld10 I got that myself. I don't know what the completionist is o.O
Nephilim King
sorry but the CC scene is bullshit, yeah CC developed Zack more, but thats it, it shitted on Aeriths personality and introduced a bunch of retarded characters like genesis and angeal
yhid dcene is far better compared to CC death scene, only problem is that it doesnt have good graphics or voice acting
Nephilim King
I'm sorry but, Square made Zack into this retarded Gary Stu, thats apparently behind every major decision that FF7 characters have, and made Aerith seen like she didnt decide shit without Zack telling her what to do, it also changed her into this holy virgin damsel, when shes anything but, in FF7 shes this confident, sassy lady, who could for the most part, take care of herself, and she was always like that, not this crap we see in CC
talking about zacks death, maybe because you dont get this scene or how Square treated death in FF7
in FF7 death isnt treated as some kind of overdramatic event like in CC, death in FF7 has this meaning of being a tragic, often sudden, with no time for final goodbyes event, Zacks death was treated much the same way, he still fought shinra soldiers there, the difference is that he dies in a moment of weakness and concern for clouds well being, getting shot by surprise looking over cloud(who was supposed to be there i might had), then we have right after, him being brutally shot by a shinra grunt, and them not bothering killing cloud because of his mental state, thinking he wouldnt survive anyway, we then see cloud going slowly up to zacks body and coming to the realisation that his friend is dead, no goodbyes, nothing, just the cold reallisation that your best friend is dead and you werent able to do anything about it, that for me is a far more powerful scene than the bullshit they put in CC.
i have no problem with him fighting enemies in the end, the issues i have with it is the amount of enemies which is what i find completely retarded, coupled with a overromanticized final "my legacy" bullshit speach
Actually, this doesn't contradict the one in Crisis Core that much. After Zack leaves Cloud and goes offscreen, you can hear sounds fighting. We don't actually know how many soldiers he fought there. The difference here is that Zack actually wins that battle, but gets ambushed by those 3 soldiers (instead of nearly winning, but losing to the 3 remaining ones). And also obviously all the stuff about talking to Cloud when finally wakes up.
Personally I prefer the one in Crisis Core, but both are very dramatic.
@@NarutoninjaXV
Could be an interpretation. One from Cloud's perspective that he doesn't fully remember, while Zack's is kinda the ideal revision, the missing piece to Cloud's memory.
In a tragic way, both versions and points of views are correct and wrong at the same time.
I also prefer the one in Crisis Core. Was far more tragic and emotional, but also I love how much of a badass it showed that Zack was. He took down scores of soldiers before his end. What a way to go out!
No cc is gay and this is the original
@@oelahcef4569 any ff after the first one is gay, the first one is the original game. Gtfo lame
Butthurt cc fans hahaha
to trigger this scene you need to finish Cloud's Subconscious in Mideel after they fall in the Lifestream, then go to nibelheim mansion's underground lab the room next to where you found vincent.
OH Thank YOU! I'am at the final boss and wondering how the hell did I miss this scene
I'm glad Zack got his own game. Only because what did we know about him in the original
1. He is a first class Soldier
2. He is Cloud's friend
3. He was the Soldier that got his shit kicked in at Nibelheim instead of Cloud.
4. Cloud copied his memories.
5. He has the buster sword.
6. He dies
After Crisis Core
1. He died after killing tons of soldier grunts.
2. He was betrayed by Angeal, Genesis, Shinra, and Sephiroth.
3. He has a personality.
4. His Buster Sword was originally Angeal's.
5. He had a set relationship with Aerith
6. The Turks (in the mid-end) wanted him dead.
7. He has a (in game) fan club.
8. He is Cloud's friend
8 1/2. He is my favourite character.
9. He dies.
5." He had a set relationship with Aerith"
The original game already told us that if you have Aerith in your party when you visit gongaga, After talking to Zack's parents, Aerith tells Cloud Zack was her first boyfriend.
Much of that was not mentioned in FF7. In otherwords, answering questions no one asked.
only real trouble is..... how does anyone ship cloud and aeris after crisis core?
@Phil Pacific If you honestly think that Aerith wasn't written as having romantic leanings towards Cloud in FF7 then you don't know how to read her behavior within it. And in both the Compilation and cameos like Kingdom Hearts, Aerith is written as sincerely drawn to Cloud as a woman regardless of her past with Zack (Cloud was even called her friend AND lover in a novella).
Also, Aerith herself admitted that Zack was a womanizer and she thought he ran-off with another woman. Zack was pointed to being a shadier character than how he was depicted in FF7 (what with how Cloud secretly modeled himself on him). Zack's personality in CC really comes off as a rip-off of Cloud's personality once he's restored .
@@galten7361 oh..... you must be a claerith shipper.....
This broke my heart more than aeris’s death
I love that there is no music for the death scene.
This flashback is perfect, way better than Crisis core. There's no "Hey, remember when I chased Hollander for 4 chapters and fight 564845 copies of a low cost Sephiroth ?"
I'm sad that this is not the direction they seem to be going in for FF7R.
I'm actually glad. I already played and loved ff7, they can leave it alone for all I care.
I want new stories.
@@No_More_Eyes545 then, there should be new games.
New interpretations of the story are ok, but when you are pretending to follow the same history but changing all excusing with timelines, its not really a remake, but a sequel
@@darshio8307 It is a remake. Not a traditional one but they're essentially remaking the game basically. Just in a very convoluted manner
@@ldking5132 It's not a remake. It's a sequel. It happens sequentially after the original Final Fantasy 7. Cause Tetsuya Nomura is obsessed with time travel and is gonna ruin FF7 just like he ruined KH.
@@TheIncognitusMe he can't ruin ff7 lol. You always have the original compilation dude
It even though this was retconned with the new ending we got for him in Crisis Core, you can still see how tough he was. He took a shot to the back/side when checking cloud, then was filled with a dozen or more bullets. After the first burst, he was still wincing in pain, but the second burst made him bite the dust. I assumed he was getting pumped in the chest. All those bullets would've made a hole.
Imagine this little flashback on disc 3 became the prequel of FF7 and made Zack a household name being the guy that rescued and sacrificed his life for Cloud got shot in the face and multiple times. He fought more than 100 Shinra grunts and he's dead tired while caring for Cloud. Truly a bro.
Has anyone noticed that Zach's having a conversation with himself as clouds suffering from a coma induced by Mako poisoning
But later thanks to that Cloud ends up being a monster in advent children
So sad to see Zack so full of zest and life and vigor and passion and cheer and all that's waiting for him is a hungry grave at the end. At least he made such an impression on Cloud as to keep him going in his legacy.
i love this scene in CC but the original leave more impact..to me..because cloud doesn't even have the opportunity to talk to zack for one last time in this game (unlike CC).. he just died.. and that makes more sense why cloud become crazy sob.. zack just talk to him like a minute ago and now he is dead..just lying dead like that.. no talking, nothing.. with many bullet wound..and cloud was left alone.sick...helpless.. don't know what to do..shit,even tho it just a polygon without voice.. u
can feel the craziness, the tragic of the situation..
It was funny to me until crisis core
Yeah I did not care about zack at all i thought until cc
Zack's death feels like losing Maes Hughes in Fullmetal and Spike from Cowboy Bebop all over again.
+Jordan Chad Whittingham spoilers much?
Fuck you
I liked this depiction better. It's not over the top and it still leaves a huge impact.
not even a line, he's just fuckin' *dead.*
The part that made me sad was in CC when Cloud reaches for Zack as he walks to his death.
I have never seen this before. This is a skippable scene? What the hell
bro dies for you then you steal SSN, his wife, and his whole identity. that's not cool, Cloud.
Shinra Soldier: What do you gonna do on him?
Commander: Just fxxking kill him
Final Fantasy 7 end
5:25 "Why" just started playing in my head......
This scene in the end is so damn effective. I have zero nostalgia for FFVII, but this scene is so much more effective than the Crisis Core ending.
"Legend shall speak of sacrifice at world's end"
-Genesis
All of that sacrifice just to be called a jerk by the very person you saved 😢
Not looking forward to seeing this in HD.
Crisis Core already did it in HD
They'll probably just use a clip from Crisis Core.
Yeah, they’re probably going to have Zack make the cliché dramatic speech of “Oh, this item passed from my mentor is yours now. You are my legacy.” is probably going to be shown again. I would hope they combine the CC one with this one but be in Cloud’s eyes for a bit before Zack kills the soldiers offscreen then three soldiers ambush him. Though that’s also considered cliché now so...
Say that again?
It will be like FF15. You'll be pushing the truck half the time
These snippets told me all I needed to know to determine Zack was my favorite character all the way back in '97.
BRO I HAD NO FUCKING CLUE ABOUT THIS AUUUGHHHH THERE WASNT ANYTHING LEFT FOR ME THERE I WISH I JUST FUCKED AROUND AND EXPLORED IT MAN THIS IS SO COOOOL
The original director of FF7 wanted death in the game to feel real. Sudden and something you cant prepare for. Not like in Hollywood. He did this primarily because of his own experience with the death of his mother.
I really dislike the direction they took with Crisis Core but I've made my peace with it. The original will always exist, just sad I'll never see it in full HD.
Eh Death WIsh movies with Charles Bronson felt real. Aslong as he doesnt look like a pussy then i am cool. But i like the original FF7 game on PS1
You know for the Remake ending, the scene where Zack actually carries Cloud to Midgar in a different timeline(as implied), Cloud may have actually still had been a mercenary anyway alongside with Zack. And possibly, Zack may have switch sides and helped avalanche than fight against them if Tifa had met the two.
Zack dies in the remake too, they just ignored how in Crisis Core came three soldiers and killed him in the end while raining, on the cliff.
The only difference is he takes Cloud to the cliff(like the OG game, Cloud is next to him) to make the parallel of him taking Cloud and Cloud exiting the city with Aerith. It is called a cliffhanger ment for people who never played the game.
They will question "who was that guy? Why he was taking Cloud? Why did Aerith reacted to him? And a long etc".
In Part 2 the gamer will learn he died and who he was.
@@Nico-nc5qb Theres literally reason as to why I said "different timeline", it doesn't matter if Zack died in the original as Zack appears in an entirely different one in a parallel to his original timeline in which he does.
@@Nico-nc5qb Nor' would I say ignore. The developers are obviously aware of how they want the game's continuity to function, even Aerith as a character already knows when loved ones are dead or not from a distance. Zack is dead in the original timeline in the verse, and the crossroad that the characters enter depict a different timeline in parallel to Zack living and being aided by the whisperers.
@@Nico-nc5qb this is why I'm still keen on how they go about it in the Remake. People keep assuming that he's still alive and they're basing it off of CC's version of his death but seemed to have totally forgotten about the Zack's original death in FF7.
@@johngarcia2374 I think this guy is right.
The remake goes: Zack gets Cloud to safety, Goes to fight all the shinra grunts, he defeats all them, goes to get his cloud, walks to where Cloud current party is
When you incorporate the original you get this.
Zack gets Cloud to safety > Goes to face off all the shinra grunts > defeats all the grunts > Goes to get cloud > Get's ambused again(?) > Then the three soldiers come to kill him(?)
Just finished the game and was confused by how Cloud went from Nibelheim to Midgar with Mako infusion inbetween. Then I watched the anime OVA and was glad to have that somewhat cleared up, but felt a bit mad that they "retconned" Zack's apparent death to Sephiroth. can't believe they made this important part of the story optional. the chronology of Cloud's story was difficult to parse without it.
I remember finding this by accident and finding it very interesting as it fills in a whole lot of questions.
I much prefer this to the way this shit is presented in Crisis Core or FF7R. It's so much more cold and less glorious and I feel like that's the point. Being a SOLDIER doesn't make you immune from the realities of numbers of weaponry. At the end of the day, Zack was just a guy who gets killed and shot to death like anybody else. He's strong but he's not immune to bullets or numbers
I like this Version of Zack's death better CC. It darker and more brutal and giving you a taste of what the story was about.
This is just so damn sad
It's worst in cc
+daniel apfelkuchen Really. I liked the CC version better
Siri is a slav3 i always hated the voice acting it kind of ruined it for me in cc
CC version is less disturbing this is better in a tragic crude way
@@user-dy2wp8lc6c this made me laugh until cc looks like legos
There needs to be some changes to this and Crisis Core origins in the Remake. Zack still needs to die, but Cloud in his suffering from constant Mako poisoning makes the beginning of 7 very inconsistent.
What I mean is, in CC he's basically fodder. He's got some aptitude with a sword, but he's barely SOLDIER level in the prequel. At the start of 7 he's at least SOLDIER 3rd class in terms of speed, strength, and skill. It would make more sense if in the year they were on the run Zack conditions Cloud to believe he's in Soldier to help with his memory loss and trains him as PT from the Mako poisoning.
They can still work in episodes of the Mako poisoning debilitating him as he's still recovering from it in the start of the game. One of his episodes leaves him in a stupor and Zack has to fight off Shinra alone. Dying by the time Cloud reawakens and giving him an incentive to join Avalanche.
I understand the Jenova cells had a hand in enhancing his physical abilities, but it doesn't explain his style of sword play, or that he knows Zack's move. It would go along way to setting up Cloud for the beginning of 7 if they at least have him undergo some training with Zack.
@Cameron Pangborn maybe, but I'm counting on Cloud having some recollection of Zack so he could have some form of training to fall back on.
If there's a way to accomplish that without him remembering Zack that's fine too, but it fits very well within Cloud's actions of joining Avalanche if he does remember Zack's death and it becomes a motive for him to join.
5:27 - 5:36
Anyone else find it interesting seeing a whole sector collapsed before Cloud reaches Midgar?
I think it's sector six, which you visit in Final Fantasy VII and it's, indeed, just ruins and garbage.
Sorry for Crisis Core fans, but, this is the canon.
This is not the canon ending anymore based on the Remake.
@@oiuik No Sakaguchi. No canon. The remake is just like Dragon Ball GT.
@@gabrielsalvatore3156 that seems to be the case. Dragon Ball GT is a good ending for Goku though.
@@gabrielsalvatore3156 kitase directed the original you stupid fuck
@@Killer_Kris7 Who is the writer, my dear?
FF (original saga) only have one game per number.
20 years later and I'm still finding new shit
This is so much better than the Crisis Core version. The scene has more impact when it's over so fast. Zack is a great person who does everything he can to do good and help others and he dies this quick pathetic death in the dirt in the middle of nowhere. It's tragic.
+zawarudo I disagree. The Crisis Core version had more emotional impact and you could see that Zack had bonded with Cloud for many journeys before they both got captured by Hojo.
When they escaped, and he took Cloud out of the truck and sat him down by the rocks to fit Hundreds of Shinra soldiers and Helicopters, you knew you were in for an epic fight scene.
Zack's relationship with cloud was much more fleshed out and does a better job at explaining what caused Cloud to take one Zack's memory as his own, which of course includes the Soldier 1st class uniform and Buster Sword.
+Jordan Chad Whittingham The scene isn't supposed to be epic. Fighting hundreds of Shinra soldiers makes it come across more like an episode of Gundam Wing than a tragic death scene. That's like saying Aerith's death would have been better if she had a kung fu fight with Sephiroth first. It misses the point of the scene.
You're right about Crisis Core fleshing out their relationship more, but that is because it is an entire game dedicated to doing exactly that, and has nothing to do with the quality of the last 10 minutes of the game, which is what we are all talking about in these comments.
+zawarudo I think your just making comparisons so of course CC makes it seem more dramatic. You just prefer this execution instead of CC's which to me had far more depth since it was the entire game was building up to it especially since Zack had so many Jenova cells in him. Taking him out that easily would have been out of character.
So it's just down to preference. I personally felt emotional playing CC and fighting all those soldiers. A hero like Zack can't go out that easily but you dont get his background here so having a big scene like that here isn't necessary. In the format of FF7 this scene works perfectly cuz its about Cloud and his reaction or his perspective so the style is effective here. It would not have gone as smoothly in a game all about Zack. You're playing his perspective so they made a more emotional scene to match the build of the plot. Had CC followed exactly the way this scene did it would be as if something's missing. And again, he went out way to easy here.
And let's be honest another reason they didn't have it as dramatic is due to the limitations of the graphics. That's a fact.
+aeris44 The entire point is that he goes out easy. I don't know why so many people are failing to grasp that.
+Nephilim King I recommend you take a writing class at some point. And possibly a reading comprehension class.
4:31 and it was at this moment, the biggest oof heard round the Gaia
I'm not sure if I've already said it or not but this scene is better here than in Crisis Core in my opinion, in Crisis Core I'm questioning how someone as Godly as Zack was shown to be was killed by an entire army let alone the fact that he fights an entire army before getting gunned down, in this he's just a human, he's powerful but he's on the level of power you would expect, in this scene he gets blindsided by some dudes, takes care of them, comes back to check up on Cloud and while he's off guard he's killed by one guy with an ordinary rifle, he wasn't some beast that took an entire army to take down he was just a human that was loved by the people who knew him.
It wasn't a God that was felled in the field that day just a man that cared about his friends and wanted his freedom back, Zack still has great character traits in Crisis Core I just think it's very over-exaggerated, in Crisis Core they killed Zack quite respectably, he never had his back turned and almost brute forced his way through an entire army, here Shinra is shown to be the vile dogs they're portrayed as being, while Zack's back was turned they shoot him and confirm that he is dead, he was dead before he ever even got to say his last words, it's far more tragic and makes for a much better scene because of it, Zack is shot the same amount of times in Crisis Core at the end, which is an insane amount of wounds to survive, especially to survive a whole minute after being shot that many times in fatal areas.
In Crisis Core I don't even understand how Zack loses despite being up against an entire army, in this game we know that he was weak in comparison to people like Sephiroth, although he was strong he had human limits, it's an unfair way to die but it makes sense, he's human and he was gunned down without honour, fair play or respect, a great man gunned down like he was nothing, it's really powerful when there are scenes like this in media, like Devil May Cry 1 with Griffon, he seems like the greatest thing ever to everyone around him and then just because he had his back turned he was killed in no more than a few seconds really, even the best people we know can die at something that they seem better then, it's a reminder that as precious as life is it is also fragile.
We might seem great and powerful, you'd never want or expect a friend of yours to just die from something so "small" some day but any of us could, it's a sad reality and as a scene it's almost a perfect tragedy, Cloud's idle, Zack wasn't killed in honour by a powerful opponent, it didn't take the World or a Supernova to take him down, he was just taken by surprise and killed in just a few moments from an ordinary rifle, it's what made it so much more tragic.
I just finished Crisis Core again...and now I think this is too way more sad than Crisis Core Ending. There was Zack, thinking about future, about business with his bestie Cloud. :'(
I find this much better than the CC version- it just seems a bit melodramatic to me. Mind you I think the same can be said about all of the expanded compilation of FF7... I'm looking at you AC!
lol that was ass!!! CC was better, more emotional ,shesh no wonder no body carred about zack before crisis core...
think about the word "melodramatic" seem like a contradiction to you? lol
Melodramatic is a phrase?
And no I don't see any contradiction- CC is much more melodramatic than this version. Having said that since its a JRPG I think melodrama is roughly 90% of the game :p
Agreed. This was a great way for the hero Zack to die, says a lot about how unexpected death can be. Hated how they changed it in CC.
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.....cc's death was glorious...
your nostalgia is taking control of your brain!
rewatching this before playing the remake. It still baffles me how they put such an important canon scene part of the entire final fantasy IMPORTANT story as "secret" scene to find.
Let me know what you think once you finish the game
I’VE PLAYED THE ORIGINAL JUST A MONTH AGO AND I’VE NEVER ENCOUNTERED THIS SCENE LIKE EVER. IVE EVEN FINISHED ALL THE SIDEQUEST LIKE GETTING YUFFIE AND VINCENT. I’VE ALSO DONE THE CHOCOBO SIDEQUEST(I’VE ACQUIRED GOLD, BLACK, BLUE, AND GREEN CHOCOBO). AND ALSO DEFEATED EMERALD AND RUBY WEAPON AND ALSO ACQUIRED FINAL LIMIT BREAKS AND ALL THE ULTIMATE WEAPONS FOR ALL CHARACTERS INCLUDING AERITH. HOW THE HELL DID I MISS THIS SCENE??
goddamn it the talk in the car makes it more sad when he passes away
This death scene is sad because he's just killed like a dog/nobody. treated like disposable trash just like how Shinra would treat him
U kill many soldiers in the game like they're trash never to think about them again.
Wait, this means in the ff7 remake ending, Zack may not survive like we thought, the scene shows he did beat the whole army, and he carried Cloud toward Midgard, so we thought he survived. But maybe when he is carrying Cloud he got shot by those guards and died, like this clip
Yeah, problem is people think crisis core is the original so they keep bitching without checking their facts.
I’d say his death is still uncertain. We know Stamp is a different breed of dog, indicating the Zack we see “surviving” is in another dimension (not timeline) than the Remake dimension. Another thing is that the rain only starts up once Zack has died in both Crisis Core and the original game, but it starts up while the party and Zack both cross paths (in separate dimensions), the big thing being Zack and Cloud are still alive and well while the rain has started. It was made very clear in game that for whatever reason, the final battle and Zack’s final battle are happening at the exact same time, hence the whispers fading away from Midgar after Cloud and the gang defeated them in both worlds. There’s definitely a world where Zack survives, since there’s literally a universe for everything. Whether the Zack we see is from that world, we don’t know until a definitive answer comes out. I think it would be a good twist if Square killed him off the “original” way after setting up the expectation that he survived the Crisis Core ending. At the same time, he was ranked the #1 in Japan at one point, indicating he has been a fan favorite, and Nomura is directing the game, so I’d wager Zack’s got a fair chance at being alive in that world we see carrying Cloud to Midgar. That being said, it’s pretty pathetic seeing arguments about the fate of said character. It’s one thing to speculate, but it’s another thing once insults over opinions start flying
Exactly. I think SE intentionally did this to confuse veteran fans while also confusing newcomers. I believe that his death in FFVIIR is actually just a combination of Crisis Core and the OG.
It's raining in end of Remake when Zack is walking with Cloud. Every time Zack died, it started raining when he was already gunned down. Original especially, it didn't start to rain until Cloud sees Zack's dead body.
@@brianwishon7322 The problem I have with him surviving is that it serves no purpose and in actuality only damages the story.
Final Fantasy 7 would have been different game if Zack survived and made it to Midgard with Cloud.
Interesting to wondering how it would have turned out.
I think the ending of remake and trailer for rebirth is going to cover that I remember your comment and came back to say this lol. Zack and Cloud seem to have made it to midgar
Zack is like "Let's go on an adventure, me and you, catatonic guy who clearly needs some medic and psychiatric help asap. We are best friends now!"
"Ughhh"
"Why don't you ever answer me?"
I got to this cutscene by an accident by looking for the White Materia
Everyone assume Zack is Alive in remake but i think Zack still death, how after beating all soldier Zack on his weakened state bring cloud and go to midgar right and here how his death that Zack get shot when Cloud on his side so
John Wick that’s kinda weird as Zack was originally just an alternate design of Cloud, so yes he still dies but don’t get why some people act like he and Aerith sense each other zack never does much and she just sort of sighs. That whole scene is basically a flashback for Cloud and we all know he was drugged up still at that point
tl;dr: don’t trust fever dreams lol
True. Everyone just assumes that "Zack is alive!" and don't even notice that it is just after the fight with all the shinra soldiers he drags Cloud to that cliff where he finally dies. You can clearly see this cliff at the end of FFVII remake ending cutscene. They don't have to show his death yet, because new players don't even have the context yet. That was just a teaser of Zack to new people and a shitstorm of discussion for old fans.
@@kissaku yeah that what i mean, they trying to combine Zack death from crisis Core fighting hundred Shinra troop with ffvii og death getting ambushed near the cliff
@@makhyusnimakhyusni401 Well Crisis Core was the. New official Zack death. This is Nomura we are talking about. He dies at night time and he never stops fighting until night time. He is so weak he can barley lift his sword then is finished off by the final Shinra Infantrymen. The new ending shows he won and that he stopped fighting in daytime. Biggs lives and Hojo never got his face messed up from Red XIII. More than likely he is alive. How long? Who knows but different timeliness now exist
@@kissaku But you're not taking Crises Core or the rain and weather into play.
Honestly I think the Crisis Core version was a butchering of this scene. What made this so heartbreaking was how Shinra felt the need to kill him so brutally. It came off as an an escaped experiment that Shinra would rather annihilate than reason with.
In Crisis Core, Zack is so powerful and kills so many people than when he finally dies, it's justified. He deserves it. The world of Final Fantasy VII is one where you are meant to identify with the people. When he brutally murders so many Shinra soldiers, those are real people being slaughtered. He deserves to die after that. But when he's on the run and just fights the few he must before being brutally executed, as happens here? Now that's powerful.
However those people your defending are evil. shinra is a evil company so those real people are just cannon fodder to them, they only get paid to clean there mess up so the public will treat them as the good guys.
Shinra is cruel and they may treat their soldiers poorly but the soldiers are still previously good people who were corrupted by propaganda and promise of a better life. Even Zack joined Shinra previously. Saying an organization is bad doesn't mean its employees are bad.
@@wormgroup I don't get your point. In both cases, Zack kills some Shinra soldiers that would have killed him otherwise. He was chased for weeks, had hundreds of guns pointed at his head, and finally fought back, I'm not sure one can call that "brutal murder"
Crisis Core was a stupid game
I got a Ad of FF7 remake and I'm watching this.... its gonna be really sad in the remake.
This kind of reminds me of the end of the Final Fantasy 7 remake the first battle you'll see
Hello my name is Zack Strife. Thank you so much for putting this video up. Took me 4ever to find it but I needed it bad. Thanks again.
As far as I'm concerned THIS is still how Zack died. Quick, painful, brutal, tragic and with no time for final goodbyes. No ridiculously over-the-top animu swordbattles against an entire army, no cringeworthy final speeches or hilariously awkward screams to be heard. Here's to hoping the remake captures this scene faithfully and not the dogshit from Crisis Core.
I agree 100%. This one feels more real, and believable. Warriors don't go out in cinematic glory, it is typically sudden and tragic
I hope the remake gives Zack more character via flashbacks, but maintains the dark simplicity of his death scene.
Whats even sadder is that in that short distance, cloud managed to damage the buster sword to such a horrible extent.
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Cloud look like he trippin the fuck out in that truck
Personally I prefer this version because it's more "real" than the one in cirsis core. CC gave Zack an embellished, more heroic death. While, sure, makes it more showy, and more "Dramatic" it feels a lot less harsh, and cold than his death in this game. In the real world, there aren't any showy or heroic deaths. Even great heros meet endings such as this. Life happens, random crap like this HAPPENS. Death can happen suddenly, and even great warriors can be taken out by a small mob. Hell even in history several heroes, or other such figures have died random deaths such as this. It doesn't make Zack and "Weaker" or "less bad ass", it makes this whole incident feel a lot more tragic, and realistic. The nature of the death also serves to fuck Cloud up more. At least in CC Cloud seemed to have gotten SOME closure with Zack, and even though it still probably would have negatively affected him for a while, I don't think it would have possibly messed him up to the degree it did in VII. He wouldn't have tried to completely block Zack out of his memory. In this game Zack died suddenly, and without closure. It's natural that a half awake cloud, having found Zack's dead corpse upon waking out, would have reacted the way he did. Personally, it makes more sense from a story telling stand point, than it does a "dramatic" stand point.
Totally agree with everything you said. Life's a crapshoot and it can end in a second, no matter how skilled you are. Having played the original FF7 as a kid, I may be a little biased, but I like this idea better.
Edo Nagori right on the money. None of Cloud's actions leading up to VII make any sense in the least if CC's version happened, and this version is so much truer to death and loss as well.
Yeah, this is gritty. Trying to save his friend they shoot him up then, even when pretty much dead, keep shooting him to make sure. It's dark but real. Cloud doesn't get a speech but decides to avenge his friends death for the simple fact he was killed mercilessly.
Real by the standards of real life? I can understand that. Real by the standards of the story? Not in the slightest.
Allow me to explain. By the standards of real life, this would be believable. However, considering this story features super-soldiers and magic and that Zack was a 1st Class SOLDIER, having him die by just three Shinra troopers would definitely not be believable. Really, the definition of realism in stories doesn't simply mean following real-life to the letter, it means making your world believable, primarily by following the rules established within the setting (for example, many ,myself included, dislike the whole Seryu having a hidden gun in her mouth in Akame Ga Kill due to the fact it completely defies logic within the story itself considering it's not justified in-story in any way)
Consider that members of SOLDIER are pretty much Shinra's tough muscle, particularly those in 1st Class. Yeah, you could argue that the SOLDIER enemies in this game aren't that powerful but that's because SOLDIER's standards dropped over the course of a few years (and the fact that Heidegger took over and it's shown he's pretty incompetent) . After everything that happened in Crisis Core, such as Genesis, Angeal and Sephiroth defecting as well as Genesis turning quite a few of the 2nd and 3rd class into Genesis copies they had to get their top fighting force's numbers back up, even if it means inflating it by lowering standards. And from what we see in the original Final Fantasy VII Zack was definitely not one of those who became 1st Class because Shinra didn't want to appear as weak.
As for why they sent an army of faceless grunts in Crisis Core? Simply put, that was Shinra's cheapest option. They could have sent whatever members left within SOLDIER after him, but there's a high chance they would end up dead and leave Shinra even worse off, making it a more severe pyrrhic victory for them. To them, the grunts were more of less faceless, expendable drones that could be replaced much more easily than members of SOLDIER. And lucky for Shinra, they had plenty.
@@ezrawyvern6795 THANK YOU. It is in fact unrealistic that a 1st class SOLDIER like Zack could possibly be defeated by a mob of grunts.
5:24 cloud: [screams in AGONY]
they better show this in the remake
if they dont, bOY IMMA BE PISSED.
This is a much better scene that Crisis Core Game ruined. In this, Zack dies not even knowing he saved Cloud, there is no speech about Cloud "becoming his living legend" or passing his sword to Cloud, and especially no cheesy sun coming out after the rain. Just the fact that the best person Cloud has known until that point dying and getting shot to death...a death he didn't deserve (no big battle either). Amazing!
Props to you if you INSTANTLY got on your copy of FF7 just to see this amazing scene, just now realizing that it exists, 21 years after the game came out.
Wow, how the hell did I get nearly 30k after I left this account? I'll keep this video for those who like to see this. Thanks for the support.
Thx m8
Imagine how strong avalanche with these 2 brothers
That moment when you remembered you equipped a bullet proof vest on Zack but still dies to bullets
The Slayer Kid bullet proof vests can only take so many bullets at once