DK's Double Shot of Steelers: Keep George or no?
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Should the Steelers keep George Pickens into the 2025 season or go another route?
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Good point by Chris about CA3, I was so proud of him the first game in Baltimore when we could've won the division, he balled out!
No argument! GP has a lot of growing up to do and more numbers to put up before demanding a big check.
Comparison of Fields vs Russ was spot on. I’ll add that Justin made throws penalties took away often and a lot of dropped passes.
If a team is offering up a 2nd round pick for George Pickens, you definitely take it. Draft a WR this year in round 1 - some really nice players that are expected to be available around that 20th pick. Draft DL with your first pick in round 2 and CB with the other 2nd round pick. That's WR, DL, and CB addressed right away. Then, sign a free agent WR such as Slayton or Kirk (I think he's expected to be cut), maybe bring back Mike Williams to give you a big body. I like Skowronek for special teams and he plays so hard. Your WR room would be 1st Round Rookie, Slayton/Kirk, CAIII, Roman Wilson, Mike Williams, and Skowronek. It should be an upgrade and it's all entirely realistic. I am not a fan of Pickens being on this team next year. Precedent says that the Steelers move on from problem WRs if the talent doesn't equal the headache.
Everyone talked about needing a #2 WR all year long. George was the #2. Calvin was the #3. We needed a #1. Diontae wasnt it, either. ❤️🔥🍻
You didn't seem to be listening. Pickens was ranked #32 at the end of the season. Which means that with 32 NFL teams, he was a low tier WR1 talent. And some teams have 2 legit WRs, a WR1A and a WR1B.
@andrewszymanski3578 👍🍻
Good point !!
I mean…I’m already fantasizing about
1. Cooper Kupp
2. Emeka Ebuka
3. Garett Wilson
Interestingly enough..Justin Fields and Garett Wilson were teammates in college
Garett Wilson was Fields WR1 at Ohio State.
Something to think about…
I’d take any of those…
How do you get Garett Wilson though? You have to trade the Jets something? I doubt they trade Pickens for Wilson - Wilson is the better player. I don't see Khan giving up high end draft capital for a big name WR. I can see the Kupp trade (maybe a 3rd round pick).
Love Ebuka! My ideal scenario is to trade GP for a 2nd, draft a WR in round 1 (Ebuka or Burden III if he falls, maybe Tre Harris but at 20 it's a bit of a reach), then add one in free agency/via trade. That gives you a room of Ebuka, (Kupp, Slayton, Kirk), CAIII, Roman Wilson, (re-sign Miek Williams), (re-sign Skowronek for STeams). Could splurge on a big name like Higgins, but I don't think they'll do that, but I'd love it.
Would LOVE to get G.WILSON...I'm assuming your talking TRADE FOR GEORGE...if thats available..then. YES PLEASE & THANK YOU....emboka @ 21...great..I hope so...but Cooper kupp??? Nooooo
@@adamlewis5700 garret wilson might become available if they stick with Rodgers, wilson might demand a trade but it's a lot of ifs and maybes.
GP probably had a more pro ready offense in Jr Hi. I'd get upset too.
He strikes me as a cocky immature jerk, he isn't a patch on AB's tush. I am SO SICK of the opera singers (all about Mee Mee Mee). he seems to want to be someplace else, thinks he'd be a big star. I'd LOVE to see them trade him to a team with an offense & QB that sucks
It may have come out after this recording, but it was mentioned that after the Cincinnati game, Russ was forced by Arthur Smith to no longer audible and change plays. The reduction in production really makes sense now, as does the story that the two didn't get along. There was a steep offensive fall-off after that point. Not that I'm a Russ fan, but maybe there was more to it than him just wanting to be the old Russ... he wasn't allowed.
I agree with much of your stance on GP. I don't on his stats and where he ranks among other WRs. 2 big reasons. The QB throwing him the ball and scheme run. GP has showed he can turn seem rts into 76 yard TDs. The D only focuses on him in our WR room. AB had Ben throwing the ball to him with other respectable WRs on the team, hell of a OL and running game. Not a fair comparison
I would have hoped that the WR open position would have been solved last season. It would have been easier to deal with now. Get two and only one works out then we have a repeat. We needed two last season, yet here we are. Thank you DK and Chris Always a great show. Get at least one we can count on.
U r a funny guy DK. U b having me laughing hard. U know we need dat sumtimes. Bless!!
If we get a 2nd rd pick for him, I would come over from the UK and drive him wherever he's being traded to. I'd even throw in lunch.
I totally agree with you regarding Justin being pulled out to give Russ the pole position that was promised to him. I wish Justin would have been in at least until their by week. I agree that Tomlin took advantage of the part of the schedule that seemed really easy (Giants & Jets) and set Russ up for a good run. Those last for regular season games and wildcard game certainly didn't make Tomlin worth those big pays!!!
People will disagree.....I don't care anymore if they do. I've been involved with the game of football for 30 consecutive seasons between playing youth through college and entering coaching immediately after.....you simply don't win with guys like #14. Ever......at any level. Cut your losses. Get a draft pick. Learn from it in future evals of the position.
Adding to this....yes he's uber talented, but the excuses he gets for having just 12 TDs is wild. Ward caught 12 TDs in a season in which he caught passes from Tommy freaking Maddox. Ward also had 12ish TDs in a separate year in which the team ran the ball 60% of the time.
no one said pickens was hines ward 😂 and maddox won playoff games literally better than russ and pickett
Georgia won a natty with him lol but point taken anyway
@coldmillreport1677 George missed about the entire season that year. He played like 3 games including the natty.
Facts. He will leave and be out of the league in 2 years.
And what have you won with players not like George?
If they dont trade George soon , its not going to go very good !
Time bomb ticking, and if they don't give him a 2nd contract 💰 it will go off. The problem is even if they do pay him it may still go off💥
GP go to Cincinnati, KC, Detroit just to name a few and he is a monster. If and that's a mad size if you keep him under control
Yall are crazy, he’s a great 50/50 ball guy and that’s about it. He is nowhere near the top receivers in the league.
@Keefer24 he has showed his abilities. Cought passes over the middle untill Russ. Russ only throws 50 50 balls lol or check downs. Look at his catch rate to balls thrown to him compared to the league and remember what you said that's mostly go rts.
@Keefer24 explain how he's not and I'll explain how he is. Waiting on you........
GET RID OF THE CANCER!!!
11:40 spot on Chris the type of offense matters for the stats. That being said George’s comp is Zay Flowers. 74 reps 1059 yds 4 td
George is going to demand more money than we'll pay him. Unfortunately we have lost the ability to use the whole field. It's, go deep everyone and pray for some passblocking. No drag routes no 10 to 15 yard Crossing routes... I'm just saying that you can't expect much production from WRs if you call the same things repeatedly.
We dont have the coaching to get the most out of his talent. Trade him if you can get a fifth round pick or better.
One more thing Cal Austin has the potential to be GREAT and he is a high character dude. He was REALLY meshing with Justin
Pickens is no doubt talented but man what a hot mess. You have to be a pro, run your routes at full speed even if the ball is not coming to you, block on your assignments. Not grabbing guys by the facemask and so on.
I was done with George after the chiefs post game but I will admit his numbers would probably look better under a better QB and HC. I’m not even gonna say OC because Tomlin doesn’t let them cook anyway. It’s on Tomlin
I agreed with you when benched Justin & agree with you now. Good episode!
Starting the show saying you aren’t a Pickens basher, the proceeding to bash him the whole episode is top tier comedy. Can’t just say it and think it excuses everything say LMAO
I agree more with Chris here
Pittsburgh was scoring 30 ppg with Russ...they kicked field goals with Justin...what are you talking
Then Arthur Smith got tired of scoring so many points when Russ made adjustments and called audibles on his own and told him if he wants to play he has to follow his play calling, run for 4, run for a 1 yard loss, throw to outside short of the sticks, punt.
Roman Wilson was a figment of our imagination
Keep !!!
7:37 Honestly... What's our better option? In his defense, Pickens is always running sideline routes. He got a couple in the middle and he did make a couple big plays.
Mason got him the ball against Seattle in 2023. That was the perfect game plan. Control the clock and score touchdowns. He has to become a leader instead of a headache.
Comparing George and Calvin is nasty work. There is no comparison. Give George a TRUE competent QB1 and then judge him off that production. I agree he needs to grow up quickly, but the talent isn’t questionable.
Yea he’s gonna be good once he gets into a real offense
He’s the best part of our offense, but I don’t want to pay him a lot of money unless he can grow up…
How did you hear that in this? - DK
@@DKPS_Steelers because of the way yall were speaking about George and saying the production wasn’t worth the headache. But to be fair he hasn’t been put in the best position to succeed in the offense with the lack of 5 star QB play. We don’t have a QB on the roster who can bring out the best of George in the offense.
@@CTpittman Nobody compared Pickens to Austin. Nobody came close to doing that. - DK
J1Q: if we get a real WR1 and CA3 takes another step, will the team/Tomlin finally hold Pickens responsible for his outbursts and unsportsmanlike penalties?
Omg why even ask some people .Everyone THINKS they know what's best or gets excited over people they shouldn't. GP is a talent but I'll say this for the millionth time .He needs a real qb and some REAL offensive plays and scheming .His talent has been squandered with no scheming no qb .He would be amaze balls on kc and you'll be kicking yourself watching another team with him
His talent is exactly what the Steelers use him as, he’s a 50/50 ball guy who only runs hard when the ball is coming his way. You guys act like he’s on the same level as Jamar chase and Justin Jefferson 😂
@@Keefer24 we don't really know that do we ? We have no real offense to even know that
Some people won't stop drowning when all they have to do is stand up.
George Pickens = Tee Higgins, Alvin Harper in Dallas. He's a high level #2 WR.
Pickens is a great kid, let him grow and play.
It seems that Pickens isn't growing fast enough. Too much drama.
I feel we haven't truly gotten to see how much this kid can really do if he had a real offense and or qb
He does exactly what his skill is, 50/50 ball and that’s it 😂
I’d entertain a Garrett Wilson trade tho
To only have a Hine's or Antonio again. Been such a drought.
I feel like he won’t want to sign a long term contract in Pittsburgh regardless. Imagine going through another year of his nonsense just to watch him walk out the door with no compensation. People need to stop acting like he’s on the Jamar chase , Justin Jefferson level.
Not even 13 yards after the catch per game.
I bet Rooney was just saying what he has to about keeping George to avoid crushing any trade market for him. The more outside teams believe the Steelers want to keep George, the more the Steelers will have to get in terms of trade compensation
The yarda after catch number is more indicative of offensive scheme/playcalling
Calvin Austin is a lil mighty mouse. He may be small but he is tough as nails. If they could use his speed properly, he would be even better. He is def a viable wr #3. We just need wr #1 and 2 if they trade GP (however looks like he will be here next yr). Sign a good vet and draft one in 1 or 2 round. Unless GP totally grows up then no extension.
George Pickens had his best season w/M. Rudolph.
I’m yelling, we don’t have a qb to deliver the ball. Chase would be ranked 32 here.
If George had a quarterback like burrow, or mahomes, or josh allen, he would have double digit tds. He had 1 bad game, but its a prove it year, and you keep him, because if he has a bad year, hes gonna walk anyway
If any average wr had those qbs, they would have double digit TDs. And if they ran their routes when not getting the ball, the safety wouldn’t cheat the other side of the field and grab an INT or pick 6. If my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle. Useless comment
Actually, my bad. I had not finished your last sentence. Yes, you keep him. And let him walk.
He doesn’t run routes, he’s a great 50/50 ball guy and that’s about it.
Gp was third in thr nfl in yards before he got hurt. You saying he's at the bottom of the nfl as a WR is crazy he's a top 5 talent and was showing how feed he was before he got hurt
7:37 You're mentioning teams that have multiple WRs and TEs.
Hey 👋 dk!
Gotta remember a WR is only as good as the QB that tries to throw it to him. George didnt get as much action till Russ started. One of his many attitude problems was that he felt open and Justin was not seeing it. You think AB would be AB if his QB the whole time was Fields? As many have stated though he does need to grow up.
From 1969 through 1974 Joe Greene led the Steelers in ejections and personal fouls. After a terrible offensive performance in week 12 of '74, Joe cleaned out his locker and walked towards his Lincoln in the Three Rivers parking lot. He was intercepted by WR coach Bones Taylor who talked Joe into staying and getting everything off his chest in a players meeting. Joe was that fed up with losing and inconsistency by the offense. The Steelers should have ran Joe out of town? GP14 is a symptom, NOT the problem. Get a competitive QB, feed George in the middle of the field like Rudolph did, watch 'Muth see more green and the running game open up.
I want them to get kupp. Bring in a pro who is mature to help gp. then get Savion willamsa n jack Bech. I would only trade gp if you get a second or third for him. he can be THAT GUY but he needs to mature. CA3 is really good and Wilson could be as well. I hope Tomin doesn't continue to neuter the qbs. he clearly did it to and that dulac story about Cindy game 1 shows he did it to both Russ and JF2. thats why that game was a one off. Apparently dulac said Russ went rogue and audible out of everything. not a dulac fan he glazes Russ hard but its out there.
Good call on the TCU WRs, they are ballers.
You mean 31 year old, injury prone Kupp? 😂☠️
@@steelking22 They really ARE! they offer amazing plug and play ability. SW takes Patterson's spot day 1 no development. Bech is a converted TE so he can be an h-back, the/ big slot. both have good hands and make the offense more dynamic. adding CA3 wilson and gp and HAVE MERCY!
@@_S8EN_ aside from D Adams which FA WRis NOT INJURED? D HOP and Adams are both old too. so
You can’t help people that don’t want to be helped, he’s a grown man and yall want the Steelers to sign people to baby sit him like he’s a child 😂🤡
Without a 0-line protecting an elite franchise QB it does not matter how good your WR1 or WR2 are. When your allowing 49 sacks, which is 9th out of 32 teams, it's very hard to get the ball to any wide receiver.
I’m not going to act like AB’s downfall wasn’t monumental but we saw AB return punts, be the gadget man and grow into the best wideout in the game at one point. Pickens has shown none of the hunger that AB had to work his way to that “diva” we saw. Pickens is about an equal headache, on the field and locker room, without a fraction of the AB production.
Give George Burrows and He's a top 5 WR
I can live with some of the antics on the sidelines, but the fact that he quits on plays marks him as an ex Steeler in my book.
AB was a head case but he also was the hardest worker on the team and absolutely dominated during games.
GP doesn’t produce nearly enough to consider giving him a big contract, and if that’s the case it’s time to get the claypool type of return for him BEFORE the draft.
Get a second rounder or trade him for Wilson on the jets (pipe dream). and move on.
There seems to be a clear line of demarcation when it comes to George and its age.
They need big fast targets they have too many small boys. So currently they need George.
There is simply now way to compare George’s statistics to AB’s. When you look at the O-line, QB, and RB that AB had you create a huge dilemma for defenses. The current Steelers have George… and a young O-line in flux, a QB by committee and a 1st round RB who wasn’t retained… don’t get me wrong, I’d trade him if I could get good value, but not because his numbers aren’t what AB’s were.
GP is talented as hell! Leave him alone! He's 23!!! He's going to go through growing pains!
That's kind of how I feel.
28+ other NFL teams would understand his immense talent & personality. Get him early targets, tie hefty incentives to stuff like being on time, 3rd party blocking grades, communicate the gameplan & make him feel like he's involved.
It's bad behavior that comes from a place of wanting success.
To me that’s not an excuse. There is a difference between going through pains and acting like he does.
Long term, I don’t think the pros out weigh the cons
If they're not keeping George. Trade him now for a pick or two
I bet in the right offense George could be great. He needs a good QB behind a line that buys time, with a decent 2nd receiver and another capable 3rd/RB/TE to pull attention from him. With barely any of that he’s pretty pedestrian.
And any pro wideout would be great with that, stupid comment 😂
Unfortunately, Kahn has inadvertently backed the Steelers into a corner by failing to get a good wide receiver after having traded away their #2. Steelers are in no position to get rid of Pickens
Get rid of him ! Total implosion
Yeah he caught a pass
You do not get rid of GP.... Get more weapons to partner up with GP!!!!!
Without being in the room I already just dont know right now. I can't see the room cause I dont know what the asking prices really are. If I can get tee higgins for 28mill a year im doing that and trading pickens for like new England's second or third and 2026 3rd, still bring in an early draft pick
7:37 As if Kupp wants to play in the cold..
7:37 Chase and Jefferson have threatening speed... George doesn't. They also have a counterpart on the other side of the field.. It's that simple. Cincinnati has a trash O-line and they still score points.
They also have Joe burrow.....
Is it a talent issue with George, or at the QB position/scheme? I think we all know the answer to that regardless of the “antics”
It doesn't matter what the steelers do as long as Tomlin is still coaching them.
Seems like we lost whoever use to evaluate the WRs.. so many receivers left us and was contributors on other teams..
How many games in '24 did teams just put a single CB on GP14? He faced double team, box-and-one man/zone all season for a reason. His film concerns opposing DCs.
YAC is difficult when half your catches are contested balls along the sideline, or when you do the equivalent of a fortnite dance every time you catch it in the middle of the field.
They should get Tee and Cooper, double down with a vet and an up & coming player. Plus draft another...plus cut Van.
Then trade for George for a pick or another D lineman.
Calvin ranked 10th from what Chris just said. Now how did his numbers stack up to the others? It's not them it's the O they play in
Hey DK are you going to talk about/address the Gerry Dulac report the Arthur Smith handcuffed Russell Wilson after his 400 performance against Cincinnati because he didn’t like how Wilson was adjusting and calling audibles and not running the play Arthur sent in? Seems like it could be legit, first 7 games Russ was 6-1 255YPG 28.4 Points per game and a 103.88 passer rating. After of course we played stronger teams but his YPG went down to 193 passer rating 88.93 and last 5 games only 14.2 points per game. We all saw something different.
I don’t like how George acts out but I understand it. He knows if he were in a very good system (not a dismal one in Pbgh), he would be totally killing it in his rookie contract setting up a massive payday in his second contract. Instead he’s miserable here bc it will cost him millions in his second contract elsewhere. Can you really blame him???
Every reciever you compared him with has what in common? Good consistent Quarterbacks. Him with Ben would have been .....
Does gp get as many looks as the top tier guys?
I could be wrong but I always remember wishing he had more targets.
Would it be fair to say he doesn’t get enough targets for a fair comparison?
How can he be compared to JJ if he gets 1/3 of JJ’s targets?
You Have To Keep "THE PLAY MAKER"
Love His Game, He's Not Perfect.
Just Throw Him The Damn Ball.
Negative Vibes Comes From The
Offensive O.C..
7:37 Puka can block... Different story..
Right off the bat (and I’m sure you love comments like this). Without even watching it, yes, keep George. The dude has had to deal with Pickett for 2 years. This year was the only real chance at progress and good QB play. A lot of the issues that has occurred are out of his hands. Now, I don’t like quitting or easing up on plays in games. But I think that it’s coachable. And I think if we have even better QB play, we can see some real progress with him. Otherwise, everything he’s done has been very reasonable. I don’t think he’s AB2 despite how some folks feel. I just hope Fields can progress in a way that he builds on the foundation he built last year. Low on turnovers and hopefully can be trusted to read defenses and take complete control of the offense and can thrive.
Trade him for a 2nd and draft that bach guy from the senior bowl. They both catch everything
Hope in one hand and crap in the other Chris.
He isn’t a rookie and it’s time for him to become a second rounder.
I would trade off all players that I could and start the rebuilding process
Hell no don’t give him a contract and I’d take a second rounder to try and draft someone that will give consistent effort now instead of bringing him back.
Even if he balls out next year, I wouldn’t bet a nickel that he won’t revert immediately after he gets paid.
Risk him one more year.
19:18 Fields just needs to settle down. He seemed antsy. Understandable with having to wait for 20+ yard routes to develop.
Everybody wants to throw GP away but when he's making plays nobody complains if it wasn't for GP we wouldn't have won a game and it's not fair to compare him to Chase or whoever when from day 1 Chase QB has been Burrow when GP has been dealing with Trubisky and Pickett his 1st 2yrs!!
Time for a biopsy of George's growth pattern?
Trade him for a 2 and a 5 and rid yourselves of the immaturity and get some adults that are about the team.
no more attitude...trade for picks
It’s fine to want him gone, but Pickens was top 5 in yards before the injury if we’re gonna go off that... All about scheming, hard to be a top WR when the play caller has you as a 1 trick pony.
Is ir just me or #14 is always doomed to wasted time
Trade Pickens for garrett wilson straight up
Poor takes, all of those wrs have pro bowl mvp Quarterbacks...George will put up prolific numbers with a better qb...stupid Pittsburgh media...all high wr act like this..name one that hasnt go back to Moss, TO, Steve Smith, etc.... Julio didn't, Larry Fitzgerald didn't...that's rare...there are No George Pickens in this draft period...Calvin Austin???? Remember when everyone thought JuJu was a #1...take AB away and you have an average receiver...that's Calvin...what are you talking about DK????