I have serial #28. I will be doing the final assembly after the plane arriving from Italy, next week. I have not flown mine yet, but I have flown the first 915 SuperVeloce, and it is in an incredible airplane. Wonderful plane to fly. 70% power was 162kias on that plane; I believe the newer planes are a bit faster. At 17.5K feet 163kias is 213ktas at 7gph. 1500fpm was no problem. Faster than my old Lancair ES-P at less than half the fuel consumption. Can't wait to fly mine. With regard to price, I believe they have been optioned above $300K. Mine was well under $300K, with a basic modern Garmin GPS IFR setup. I spent a month in Italy doing the 51% build. It did not suck at all. Awesome part of Italy. With regards to production numbers... Have you tried building up a new airplane factory from scratch? Not easy. They have invested a lot and have outstanding production tooling. I believe their production volume is ramping up; they have had an order backlog for as long as I have been following them. You don't go that fast on that little power with just a good design. Accurate production is just as important. As you can probably tell, I'm a fan.
You guessed wrong. I spent a month in Italy, which did not suck, and I completed 55% of the build tasks. They will let you get your hands dirty. Great people too.
@@tedantares2751 It all depends on how the kit is provided. The FAA does not require 51% of the hours to meet the rule, just 51% of the "tasks". Fabricating the fuselage is one task. Mounting the wheels and tires is also one task. Pick all of the easy tasks and you can get to 51% pretty easily. For the Porto 51% build, you will be doing some carbon fiber work. I laid up the wing skins, spars, and ribs and assembled the wings for example. You will get your hands dirty but it's not that bad at all. One of the main benefits is that I know my plane inside and out. Check out: www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/amateur_built/kits/media/am_blt_chklist_job_aid.pdf
@@almerindaromeira8352 Rotax 915 has 135 continuous HP. I doubt the 912 model can cruise at 190. After all we can make a plane as slippery as possible but realistically its always gonna require more power to go faster.
I am just an armchair pilot with only 200hrs unpowered flight. Amazing speed envelope (40 to 280 mph) Amazing efficiency (2.25 gph at 124mph. That's 55 mpg of mogas). It seems there are several European manufacturers that have jumped on this niche to fit the ELA or "Euro Ultralight" certification. I just wish the EASA and the FAA would adapt similar definitions so developers in the USA can/could/would build planes like this. The main problem I see with this plane is that is has a financial contradiction, as in, it doesn't make sense to spend $280,000 to save $5,000 in fuel per year. You'd break even in 36 years of flying over buying a Bonanza for 100k. I know there's more to efficiency than financial. I love, love, love efficiency in all respects. Somebody's got to figure out how to make these for about 1/2 the price. I don't know how, but there's a lot of smarts out there.
People who can afford this category of airplane don' really need to scrimp on fuel or fuel costs, so its not a big factor in selection. And anyway, it is a still a positive factor for selection, not a negative.
Also, I'd love to see the a V-tail Bonaz for 100k that doesn't need some serious work. Seems like anything that can go this fast for this far, aka, fast enough to genuinely beat driving seems to be in that 200-400k range.
Tuve la suerte de compartir mi adolescencia en ARGENTINA 🇦🇷construyendo aviones de aeromodelismo ✈️con el Genio de Alberto PORTO🥇hoy el sueño lo hizo realidad, subirse a su propia creación y batir el récord mundial en su categoría ✈️ GENIOooo!!!
Dan can this plane be registered as a motor glider? It seems to have similar wing loading numbers to Pipistrel, and actually a superior glide ratio. If it can be a self launching motor glider that opens up an additional segment of the market.
Excellent features interview, but as a practical owner I got nothing from it. no useful load. no ifr capability. no explanation how you get in; i saw no step.
El maravilloso Risen de un argentino inteligente y capaz, que con su talento y sacrificio logró este diseño y prestaciones increíbles !!!Cada nuevo video que se sube a youtube lo veo como un "fanático" soñando con un futuro...tal vez solo lo vean mis hijos....en el que muchos aeronáuticos mas puedan construir sus aeronaves y crear nuevos diseños...Yo, apenas vivo como un miserable en Argentina...un país maravilloso destinado a ser una potencia mundial y EN CAMBIO....SOMETIDO A UNA OPRESIÓN ASQUEROSA Y OBSCENA DE LACRAS GOBERNANTES QUE EXPULSAN A PERSONAS COMO EL INGENIERO PORTO Y MUCHOS OTROS CON CAPACIDADES EXEPCONALES !!! EN TODAS LAS DISCIPLINAS !!! A OTROS PAISES !!! COMO DESCENDIENTE DE ALEMANES AUSTRÍACOS E ITALIANOS, SIEMPRE SUEÑO CON PODER VOLAR ALGUN DÍA POR LOS ALPES DE MIS ABUELOS....lo único que puedo hacer en Argentina...soñar.....
The plane has fantastic performance specs. Too bad they didn’t mention pricing nor do they seem to have it on their website. I fly in the Southern California/Arizona area and that large canopy with no air conditioning makes that aircraft unusable in my area. In Phoenix it can get up to about 115 F in the summer and conventional aircraft parked on the ramp can get up to 140 F in the cabin. With that large overhead glass area it would get so hot you would not be able to touch any of the surfaces after a few minutes of taxiing or flying in direct summer sunlight.
European designers, facing much milder weather throughout the continent, are challenged to consider places like Phoenix. I would urge a solution of an in-cockpit cooling system. Or, operate at an airport where you can jump in the airplane and get airborne quickly. This thing will climb to the moon in no time so you can get to cooler air, but if you have to wait in a long taxi line… whew!
There are several inexpensive cooling options for the airplane. IcyBreeze Portable AC for Camping, Pets, Sports, or anything you do in the heat! Stay Cool / Nate Petroski th-cam.com/video/B1XggXGROXY/w-d-xo.html IcyBreeze Portable AC for Camping, Pets, Sports, or anything you do in the heat! Stay Cool / Nate Petroski th-cam.com/video/B1XggXGROXY/w-d-xo.html
some of these ula/lsa type aircraft have a retractable sunshade that fits the inside overhead curve of the canopy, they should be available for operators of the risen planes, surprised Porto does not offer them.
They might well do going forward. However one can get aftermarket sliding shades from Koger Sunshades, Jet Shades make pretty decent ones and SkyShop also offer shades.
What's the stall speed clean? Is it 55 knots or lower? Just asking because of the proposed 54 knot clean stall speed being considered for the new mosaic
Will be very nice to show gliding performance in thermal conditions without engine running :-) Sometimes I fly in thermal with ultralight with ongine off, but Risen is much more efficient than plane I´m flying ...
Amazing man, amazing design, incredible he managed to accomplish such a feat! But, how do you get in? I see no steps, no wing area to step on. That nice composite wing would get destroyed after a few hundred in and out of the airplane. Amazing it can fly in the flight levels. Who is this marketed to? Flying on a bright sunny day you're gonna be cooking. That long black dash is gonna be cooking! It can't fly IFR. Can't legally do approaches in real weather. The payload isn't adequate for 2 adults with luggage and full fuel. The interviewer did only softball questions. But as an owner I care how much it can carry and I don't want to be limited to day VFR. I would fly far less if I had such a limit, but my mooney can take 1000 lb payload, do LPV approaches, and go 1000nm at 12000'.
IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE MUZZLE AND THEY HAD DESIGNED IT TO BE MORE "BOUNDED", FROM THE NOSE TO THE BEGINNING OF THE "COOP", IN MY OPINION..... IT COULD HAVE BEEN MORE ATTRACTIVE IN AESTHETICS.
İ see the plane in air show and look all of the details i liked the manufacturing qualty and sitting position its better than vl3 and in whole airshow shark and super veloce are the best well build air planes that i see, The only thing that i don't like on that plane is engine fitting they put 915 is engine like a car engine from tip to nearly under the cockpit area maintenance guys will hate this engine placement like pipistrel virus.. whole engine closed by ram air duck and hoses you can't see the back off the engine in any leakage or minor problem you have to remove too may pieces to handle that issue. İm pilot normally that's not my problem but in any minor issue you have to pay extra maintenance hours than any rotax powered plane. speed and low consuption comes with maintanace cost tag :) summery well build and robust frame.
Getting people to tunnel vision on fuel saving is an old trick, the auto industry did that to us around 1980. This plane cost roughly twice as much as competitors, call it $150,000 USD, I can buy a hell of a lot of gas for that saving. Maybe enough to fill up a Boeing 787?
Did he say only 29 planes worldwide. That's a crime. As much as I'm a huge fan of the efficient design, it's better than anyone else in the world, correct me if I'm wrong, I think it's fair to say they have missed some marketing opportunities. For years the website had questionable english, the website is somehow split in two competing sites and when 915 versions starting coming to light, you could not find it on their website. People were taking delivery of the planes and it was not on their website. I heard a couple of americans were at the factory to claim self builds so they could get retractable gear versions of the 915. It's very difficult to get a price out of them as well but from what I gather their prices weren't outrageous, certainly competitive for the performance so there really should have been more of them than 29. Marketing is the difference between 29 and 290. Or more. With significant volume they could look at lowering the price and totally dominating the market. And take the next step to make it pressurized where it starts to really take off and even make small jet engines for it and take it to mach 0.7. Making a 4 seater would not be a quantum leap. FK14 is a german made UL that's also a great plane for the money. By all accounts should outsell everything other than Risen but their marketing is even worse. They stopped producing their best plane for 2 years because they felt like making some retro plane and they couldn't be bothered to create production capacity for both, let alone market them to 10x sales. It's one thing if yet another company puts together a so so plane but if you have the best planes, don't hide them. And indeed, in volume, some of these planes could be ultra cheap as well. Ignoring rotax, say a fixed gear UL without flaps, all carbon construction you might put together for 15k cost if you do it right. Because you can make the entire fuselage as one piece. No need for labor intensive clueing two shells together. Wings could be one shot too. If you can make well performing planes and be very profitable at 30k you might sell some planes. Give Rotax an ultimatum. Either sell their engines at reasonable cost or be replaced by small jet engines. They are not going to listen but then killem. Diamond should also have made jets instead of the herculean effort making turbodiesels, only to end up with a very heavy very expensive slow plane. Sure it runs on jetA but that's the extent of the upsides. Had they made small turbofans instead for a quarter weight plane, they would own GA.
You made several worthy points. Thanks for taking the time. Perhaps the overarching theme, however, speaks to the fact that light recreational aviation is a passion-driven industry - meaning that the pursuit of new projects or building perfection in a design is more important than marketing and accounting - even though all these small companies have payrolls and bills to pay. Engineers are surprisingly like artists, I've found. Try to be patient; running a small aircraft business is a challenging endeavor.
@@DanJohnsonAffordableAviation nah, patience isn't working for us :) one of the biggest GA youtubers Matt Guthmiller is flying a WW2 aircraft, not as a retro aircraft. In a sense the best available. That means patience is no good :) way too much patience in GA. But sure, any small shop is not going to be the best at everything. Which is why I offered some perspective on the potency of markering, especially today where youtube is so effective and near cost free. Unless it's very niche craftmanship which it isn't, 10x'ing a business can only be advantageous. I think we should be very impatient, that's how things happen. Speaking of missed opportunities, you may have noticed chatter in the halls of government about ET vehicles lately and the 75 year cover up is faltering. We may just get the truth soon. That will be a new era of 'aviation'.
@@DanJohnsonAffordableAviation When I was out to the flight center and got to fly with Alberto 2 years ago. He did say that he had around 30 employees but wish that he had 60... he runs his business the opposite way that most do.... He didn't take deposits before the aircraft was tested and proven and is not taking massive business startup loans. He did a investor round a few years ago. but most of the startup capital came from his years as a engineer / consultant out of his own pockets. With all the small startups that go belly up I think he's doing things right!:-) This AC is the most efficient and the leader in this category! It's only a matter of time till production ramps up! Hopefully LSA will meet EASA soon it's a pity that the Europeans get to have so much fun:-(
It is a "thing" for the sales type to try and hide the price., it is half way to the dishonest and short term practice of reducing portion sizes at supermarket while keeping the box and the price the same. Blame the North American short term mentality. The bottom line is at some point, the buyer have to write the cheques. With experience, as soon as I saw the name Rotax or UL etc I know this is not an economy airplane. You are right about Diamond, they are slow. But there are no small turbine available that are proven at under 300 HP and you lose range with turbine. I caught that part about not designed for the heat of southern US but is there any provision made for ice protection? Yes I know weeping wings are heavy, but lighter than a good load of ice. Here is where turbine have an advantage.
@@jasonsanford6851 30 employees sounds wild. Some might be only part time or peripheral but if we take it at face value, at 80k$ average salary, that's 2.4m$ per year. With only 29 produced in many years they can't do many more than 5 a year, that's half a million dollars per plane just in salaries plus facilities and material. That sounds strange. Unless they do other business there. They must. Maybe the planes are just out the back door type of thing. I wouldn't think it takes 30 people to make 5 planes in a year. More like 1 person. Curious.
This nice gentleman ripped me off for 5,000 EUR. In 2016, I placed a fully refundable deposit for an airplane but changed my mind a few months later and requested the deposit back. Sadly, I never received the refund. Since then, I've been pursuing legal action against them in Switzerland, their headquarters' country. I strongly advise against dealing with these scammers, despite the seemingly great airplane they offer.
Terrible video. Provide a little detail on the plane itself. Gibberish. It's like walking into a conversation between 2 oldfriends. So the viewer has little context.
The website offers much more detail. We don't try to put it all in a video. At least you got a lot of direct comment from the designer. (BTW, I'd be pleased to call Alberto an "old friend.") Thanks for watching and for your comments.
I have serial #28. I will be doing the final assembly after the plane arriving from Italy, next week. I have not flown mine yet, but I have flown the first 915 SuperVeloce, and it is in an incredible airplane. Wonderful plane to fly. 70% power was 162kias on that plane; I believe the newer planes are a bit faster. At 17.5K feet 163kias is 213ktas at 7gph. 1500fpm was no problem. Faster than my old Lancair ES-P at less than half the fuel consumption. Can't wait to fly mine.
With regard to price, I believe they have been optioned above $300K. Mine was well under $300K, with a basic modern Garmin GPS IFR setup. I spent a month in Italy doing the 51% build. It did not suck at all. Awesome part of Italy.
With regards to production numbers... Have you tried building up a new airplane factory from scratch? Not easy. They have invested a lot and have outstanding production tooling. I believe their production volume is ramping up; they have had an order backlog for as long as I have been following them. You don't go that fast on that little power with just a good design. Accurate production is just as important.
As you can probably tell, I'm a fan.
Let me guess - you were mostly watching others assembling the plane rather than "doing the 51% build"
Interesting r/c project
You guessed wrong. I spent a month in Italy, which did not suck, and I completed 55% of the build tasks. They will let you get your hands dirty. Great people too.
@@alyoungwerth9908 It must be very easy to build then. It takes a single person years to build 51% of a typical Van's airplane.
@@tedantares2751 It all depends on how the kit is provided. The FAA does not require 51% of the hours to meet the rule, just 51% of the "tasks". Fabricating the fuselage is one task. Mounting the wheels and tires is also one task. Pick all of the easy tasks and you can get to 51% pretty easily. For the Porto 51% build, you will be doing some carbon fiber work. I laid up the wing skins, spars, and ribs and assembled the wings for example. You will get your hands dirty but it's not that bad at all. One of the main benefits is that I know my plane inside and out. Check out: www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/amateur_built/kits/media/am_blt_chklist_job_aid.pdf
Cruise at 190 knts and stall at 35 knts that is a truly insane envelope!
I don't think there is such a discrepancy between indicated and true airspeed, even for a non-certified airplane
With ~100hp !!!
@@almerindaromeira8352 Rotax 915 has 135 continuous HP. I doubt the 912 model can cruise at 190. After all we can make a plane as slippery as possible but realistically its always gonna require more power to go faster.
@@CrossWindsPat I've just checked, the 912 does 160ktas at 75% cruise.
@@almerindaromeira8352 Thats gotta be the fastest speed from using a 100hp ever!
A magnificent airplane, performance and beauty.
I am just an armchair pilot with only 200hrs unpowered flight. Amazing speed envelope (40 to 280 mph) Amazing efficiency (2.25 gph at 124mph. That's 55 mpg of mogas). It seems there are several European manufacturers that have jumped on this niche to fit the ELA or "Euro Ultralight" certification. I just wish the EASA and the FAA would adapt similar definitions so developers in the USA can/could/would build planes like this. The main problem I see with this plane is that is has a financial contradiction, as in, it doesn't make sense to spend $280,000 to save $5,000 in fuel per year. You'd break even in 36 years of flying over buying a Bonanza for 100k. I know there's more to efficiency than financial. I love, love, love efficiency in all respects. Somebody's got to figure out how to make these for about 1/2 the price. I don't know how, but there's a lot of smarts out there.
People who can afford this category of airplane don' really need to scrimp on fuel or fuel costs, so its not a big factor in selection. And anyway, it is a still a positive factor for selection, not a negative.
FAA MOSAIC NPRM (lotsa acronyms!) just hit the street, so excited for the final rule. Should allow planes like this to be available to sport pilots!
Actually its 124 kts. @FL90. So 143 mph. 63.4 mpg.
Also, I'd love to see the a V-tail Bonaz for 100k that doesn't need some serious work. Seems like anything that can go this fast for this far, aka, fast enough to genuinely beat driving seems to be in that 200-400k range.
this plane looks amazing and is quite fast!
Thanks for the update!
Quite beautiful actually.
Orgullosos debemos estar los Argentinos!
Mosaic! Come on baby! Don't let me down! 😅
i am VERY much looking forward to you getting to fly the Risen, Dan...
Just fascinating airplane!
I want one so much!
Tuve la suerte de compartir mi adolescencia en ARGENTINA 🇦🇷construyendo aviones de aeromodelismo ✈️con el Genio de Alberto PORTO🥇hoy el sueño lo hizo realidad, subirse a su propia creación y batir el récord mundial en su categoría ✈️ GENIOooo!!!
Dan can this plane be registered as a motor glider? It seems to have similar wing loading numbers to Pipistrel, and actually a superior glide ratio. If it can be a self launching motor glider that opens up an additional segment of the market.
Excellent interview, Dan. Thanks for giving us up and close introduction to this beautiful aircraft.
Excellent features interview, but as a practical owner I got nothing from it. no useful load. no ifr capability. no explanation how you get in; i saw no step.
450kmh = 279mph
I remember that last interview.
El maravilloso Risen de un argentino inteligente y capaz, que con su talento y sacrificio logró este diseño y prestaciones increíbles !!!Cada nuevo video que se sube a youtube lo veo como un "fanático" soñando con un futuro...tal vez solo lo vean mis hijos....en el que muchos aeronáuticos mas puedan construir sus aeronaves y crear nuevos diseños...Yo, apenas vivo como un miserable en Argentina...un país maravilloso destinado a ser una potencia mundial y EN CAMBIO....SOMETIDO A UNA OPRESIÓN ASQUEROSA Y OBSCENA DE LACRAS GOBERNANTES QUE EXPULSAN A PERSONAS COMO EL INGENIERO PORTO Y MUCHOS OTROS CON CAPACIDADES EXEPCONALES !!! EN TODAS LAS DISCIPLINAS !!! A OTROS PAISES !!! COMO DESCENDIENTE DE ALEMANES AUSTRÍACOS E ITALIANOS, SIEMPRE SUEÑO CON PODER VOLAR ALGUN DÍA POR LOS ALPES DE MIS ABUELOS....lo único que puedo hacer en Argentina...soñar.....
The plane has fantastic performance specs. Too bad they didn’t mention pricing nor do they seem to have it on their website. I fly in the Southern California/Arizona area and that large canopy with no air conditioning makes that aircraft unusable in my area. In Phoenix it can get up to about 115 F in the summer and conventional aircraft parked on the ramp can get up to 140 F in the cabin. With that large overhead glass area it would get so hot you would not be able to touch any of the surfaces after a few minutes of taxiing or flying in direct summer sunlight.
European designers, facing much milder weather throughout the continent, are challenged to consider places like Phoenix. I would urge a solution of an in-cockpit cooling system. Or, operate at an airport where you can jump in the airplane and get airborne quickly. This thing will climb to the moon in no time so you can get to cooler air, but if you have to wait in a long taxi line… whew!
There are several inexpensive cooling options for the airplane.
IcyBreeze Portable AC for Camping, Pets, Sports, or anything you do in the heat! Stay Cool / Nate Petroski
th-cam.com/video/B1XggXGROXY/w-d-xo.html
IcyBreeze Portable AC for Camping, Pets, Sports, or anything you do in the heat! Stay Cool / Nate Petroski
th-cam.com/video/B1XggXGROXY/w-d-xo.html
Huper optik film on canopy would be the best solution . Used on high end auto in PHX. blocks 99.9 UVA and about 20 degree F temp reduction. might work
some of these ula/lsa type aircraft have a retractable sunshade that fits the inside overhead curve of the canopy, they should be available for operators of the risen planes, surprised Porto does not offer them.
They might well do going forward. However one can get aftermarket sliding shades from Koger Sunshades, Jet Shades make pretty decent ones and SkyShop also offer shades.
Hi Alberto, this plane is my dream.
What's the stall speed clean? Is it 55 knots or lower? Just asking because of the proposed 54 knot clean stall speed being considered for the new mosaic
The stall speed is 45 knots clean and 35 knots with flaps and gear down.
The details are in the video if you watch all of it.
With 500wh per kilo batteries now available would a electric version not be feasible now?
Will be very nice to show gliding performance in thermal conditions without engine running :-) Sometimes I fly in thermal with ultralight with ongine off, but Risen is much more efficient than plane I´m flying ...
Amazing man, amazing design, incredible he managed to accomplish such a feat! But, how do you get in? I see no steps, no wing area to step on. That nice composite wing would get destroyed after a few hundred in and out of the airplane. Amazing it can fly in the flight levels. Who is this marketed to? Flying on a bright sunny day you're gonna be cooking. That long black dash is gonna be cooking! It can't fly IFR. Can't legally do approaches in real weather. The payload isn't adequate for 2 adults with luggage and full fuel. The interviewer did only softball questions. But as an owner I care how much it can carry and I don't want to be limited to day VFR. I would fly far less if I had such a limit, but my mooney can take 1000 lb payload, do LPV approaches, and go 1000nm at 12000'.
can you buy it now ?
So, he said the VNE is 210 knots. It's 388.5 km/h. Then why do they have a sign under the plane saying "450 km/h max cruise"?
I think VNE is indicated airspeed while advertised cruise is true airspeed at altitude
How robust is the gear? Can it handle grass runways?
Doubtful. Crabon landing gear, wtf?!
@@yumtig7444There is a video of a Risen aircraft on a grass strip on TH-cam somewhere.
The factory is located at a grass airfield.
All of the aircraft fly out of the grass airfield.
There are plenty of videos on TH-cam showing this.
IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE MUZZLE AND THEY HAD DESIGNED IT TO BE MORE "BOUNDED", FROM THE NOSE TO THE BEGINNING OF THE "COOP", IN MY OPINION..... IT COULD HAVE BEEN MORE ATTRACTIVE IN AESTHETICS.
IMC approved?
whats a comparable 4 seater.. hmm, another plane probably with rotax turbo also?
I think it stalls at 35 when there is no fuel payloads and pilots
İ see the plane in air show and look all of the details i liked the manufacturing qualty and sitting position its better than vl3 and in whole airshow shark and super veloce are the best well build air planes that i see, The only thing that i don't like on that plane is engine fitting they put 915 is engine like a car engine from tip to nearly under the cockpit area maintenance guys will hate this engine placement like pipistrel virus.. whole engine closed by ram air duck and hoses you can't see the back off the engine in any leakage or minor problem you have to remove too may pieces to handle that issue. İm pilot normally that's not my problem but in any minor issue you have to pay extra maintenance hours than any rotax powered plane. speed and low consuption comes with maintanace cost tag :) summery well build and robust frame.
It looks so much like a bird! Long live sparrows!
Soap box orator !!! Show the airplane more !
I hope ethereum goes to 35k in next 6 year
Getting people to tunnel vision on fuel saving is an old trick, the auto industry did that to us around 1980. This plane cost roughly twice as much as competitors, call it $150,000 USD, I can buy a hell of a lot of gas for that saving. Maybe enough to fill up a Boeing 787?
Looks like quite low wing loading and all that implies.
Did he say only 29 planes worldwide. That's a crime. As much as I'm a huge fan of the efficient design, it's better than anyone else in the world, correct me if I'm wrong, I think it's fair to say they have missed some marketing opportunities. For years the website had questionable english, the website is somehow split in two competing sites and when 915 versions starting coming to light, you could not find it on their website. People were taking delivery of the planes and it was not on their website. I heard a couple of americans were at the factory to claim self builds so they could get retractable gear versions of the 915. It's very difficult to get a price out of them as well but from what I gather their prices weren't outrageous, certainly competitive for the performance so there really should have been more of them than 29. Marketing is the difference between 29 and 290. Or more. With significant volume they could look at lowering the price and totally dominating the market.
And take the next step to make it pressurized where it starts to really take off and even make small jet engines for it and take it to mach 0.7. Making a 4 seater would not be a quantum leap.
FK14 is a german made UL that's also a great plane for the money. By all accounts should outsell everything other than Risen but their marketing is even worse. They stopped producing their best plane for 2 years because they felt like making some retro plane and they couldn't be bothered to create production capacity for both, let alone market them to 10x sales.
It's one thing if yet another company puts together a so so plane but if you have the best planes, don't hide them.
And indeed, in volume, some of these planes could be ultra cheap as well. Ignoring rotax, say a fixed gear UL without flaps, all carbon construction you might put together for 15k cost if you do it right. Because you can make the entire fuselage as one piece. No need for labor intensive clueing two shells together. Wings could be one shot too. If you can make well performing planes and be very profitable at 30k you might sell some planes. Give Rotax an ultimatum. Either sell their engines at reasonable cost or be replaced by small jet engines. They are not going to listen but then killem.
Diamond should also have made jets instead of the herculean effort making turbodiesels, only to end up with a very heavy very expensive slow plane. Sure it runs on jetA but that's the extent of the upsides. Had they made small turbofans instead for a quarter weight plane, they would own GA.
You made several worthy points. Thanks for taking the time. Perhaps the overarching theme, however, speaks to the fact that light recreational aviation is a passion-driven industry - meaning that the pursuit of new projects or building perfection in a design is more important than marketing and accounting - even though all these small companies have payrolls and bills to pay. Engineers are surprisingly like artists, I've found. Try to be patient; running a small aircraft business is a challenging endeavor.
@@DanJohnsonAffordableAviation nah, patience isn't working for us :) one of the biggest GA youtubers Matt Guthmiller is flying a WW2 aircraft, not as a retro aircraft. In a sense the best available. That means patience is no good :) way too much patience in GA. But sure, any small shop is not going to be the best at everything. Which is why I offered some perspective on the potency of markering, especially today where youtube is so effective and near cost free. Unless it's very niche craftmanship which it isn't, 10x'ing a business can only be advantageous. I think we should be very impatient, that's how things happen.
Speaking of missed opportunities, you may have noticed chatter in the halls of government about ET vehicles lately and the 75 year cover up is faltering. We may just get the truth soon. That will be a new era of 'aviation'.
@@DanJohnsonAffordableAviation When I was out to the flight center and got to fly with Alberto 2 years ago. He did say that he had around 30 employees but wish that he had 60... he runs his business the opposite way that most do.... He didn't take deposits before the aircraft was tested and proven and is not taking massive business startup loans. He did a investor round a few years ago. but most of the startup capital came from his years as a engineer / consultant out of his own pockets. With all the small startups that go belly up I think he's doing things right!:-) This AC is the most efficient and the leader in this category! It's only a matter of time till production ramps up! Hopefully LSA will meet EASA soon it's a pity that the Europeans get to have so much fun:-(
It is a "thing" for the sales type to try and hide the price., it is half way to the dishonest and short term practice of reducing portion sizes at supermarket while keeping the box and the price the same. Blame the North American short term mentality. The bottom line is at some point, the buyer have to write the cheques. With experience, as soon as I saw the name Rotax or UL etc I know this is not an economy airplane. You are right about Diamond, they are slow. But there are no small turbine available that are proven at under 300 HP and you lose range with turbine. I caught that part about not designed for the heat of southern US but is there any provision made for ice protection? Yes I know weeping wings are heavy, but lighter than a good load of ice. Here is where turbine have an advantage.
@@jasonsanford6851 30 employees sounds wild. Some might be only part time or peripheral but if we take it at face value, at 80k$ average salary, that's 2.4m$ per year. With only 29 produced in many years they can't do many more than 5 a year, that's half a million dollars per plane just in salaries plus facilities and material. That sounds strange. Unless they do other business there. They must. Maybe the planes are just out the back door type of thing. I wouldn't think it takes 30 people to make 5 planes in a year. More like 1 person. Curious.
gorgeous Airframe!
im just not sure about that "added Nose" 👃that just seems very odd 🥴
This nice gentleman ripped me off for 5,000 EUR. In 2016, I placed a fully refundable deposit for an airplane but changed my mind a few months later and requested the deposit back. Sadly, I never received the refund. Since then, I've been pursuing legal action against them in Switzerland, their headquarters' country. I strongly advise against dealing with these scammers, despite the seemingly great airplane they offer.
I be paying him a visit to get my money back
I would like to see how much extra performance and speed a toroidal propeller would add.
Lol.
these are a joke
Less talk more action.
Terrible video. Provide a little detail on the plane itself. Gibberish. It's like walking into a conversation between 2 oldfriends. So the viewer has little context.
What? I know it wasn't that indepth and casual but they did talk about most of the stuff a buyer would want besides price range that is.
The website offers much more detail. We don't try to put it all in a video. At least you got a lot of direct comment from the designer. (BTW, I'd be pleased to call Alberto an "old friend.") Thanks for watching and for your comments.
@@DanJohnsonAffordableAviation Was wondering how the Risen and SuperVoloce would fit in with the Mosiac rules for a Sport Pilot Certificate Pilot?
@JulienWall the risen would be a light sport aircraft and would not need to be experimental. Can be bought as seen in video.