For shading the white, I'd recommend just using Soulblight Grey as a wash, or Apothecary White contrast paint. I used to just thin down Nuln Oil, but Soulblight Grey makes that a lot simpler. There's a few other GW contrast paints with very light colors like Gryph-charger Grey, though you'll probably need to thin those down, similar to in the video, to keep the armor white enough.
Always enjoy seeing the videos come out! You’ve still painted my favorite miniature in my collection to date - the Skeleton Boss from Kingdom Death. That paint job is an absolute masterpiece.
I'm not a figure painter, but I do understand the ideas behind it thanks to your channel and some others. Thank you for that! With that in mind, I miss the zenithal (?) lighting on the weapons of the black figure. Perhaps some shading on the undersides of the weapons as well. They feel "photoshopped" to the photo of a well painted mini :) BTW, my 4-year-old just saw the image of both figures at the end of the video and now he wants to paint some "small space soldiers" himself :) Thanx! :D Keep up the great work!
For the black armour method, how would replacing the greys with blues or maybe even reds look, do you think? I've also had a mad thought about doing an Slaves to Darkness army with Chaos Warriors in white armour
Hmm, even though I don't do the speed painting thing? This is good input as to how to do up armies of little guys like this even if you don't do that. Though if it were me, instead of gray I'd do a desaturated blue tone like P3 Coal Black to begin with and then lightening that from there for black, and this still gave me inspiration, so thank you!
I’ll do you one better, instead of the mix of Tyrion Navy on white, what about Soulblight Grey? It’s essentially a super thinned down contrast grey! Great Tutorial though, I plan on using this tutorial for my black Templars, and my home brew SM Chapter I’m building.
The basecoat with the highlight layer paint mixed with base paint used on half of the model is how I paint my Space Marines, only I do a bit of water blending when transiting from dark to light tone. I'll give the drybrush a go on the next projects. The first model you've painted, is it a Raven Guard from 2nd company (company colour gold) or one of the successor Chapter?
It's okay, I think I remember you telling us that you paint Space Marines to text out the new paints? To me he looks like he's from the Raven Guard. A bit of my interpretation, nothing too important. Good painting. 👍
I love the timeline of this video, I just finished a intersection kill team done as Son’s of Phoenix, entire time I hated that I picked white. I finished maybe 20 mins ago and I open my phone to thing video staring me in the face :p lol
The easiest way to paint black armour is to directional edge highlight directly over black with a dark grey. (In the case of your characters, black undercoat, layer Model Painter grey black leaving the recesses black, followed by a dark grey highlight for directional edge highlighting.) For white armour: White undercoat, Corax white basecoat, recess wash with space wolves grey, fix with corax white, edge highlight with white scar. These are the methods I use for painting my White Scars and Black Templars armies. Because I use models from 2nd ed, I have more flat surface areas with minimal detail, so painting marines is very easy.
What is the value/reason for using drybrushing for zenithal rather than using the airbrush (which is what I always do)? It seems like a lot of work without any advantage that I can see. This is a genuine question, I'm no great painter so I'm just wanting to understand this choice better.
Drybrushing will catch on the edges giving you more dramatic changes in color, so if your speedpaint is thin enough, you get sharper edge highlights without extra effort. You will still get edge highlights if you airbrushed the zenithal due to the nature of speedpaints, but they won't be as pronounced. IMO, airbrushing the zenithal will give smoother gradients on your flat armor panels though. Both techniques are useful for different things, and can even be combined. I will often 3-tone zenithal through the airbrush and then give a super-soft drybrush of my brightest tone before moving on to speedpaints to get the best of both worlds.
I love the airbrush! The airbrush is so much better. I would paint the black armor black with zenithal, and then I'd paint the white armor white with targeted light blue airbrush for the shadows
to be fair, looking at that black armor that isn't black at all and looking how resessors and joints on white armor making it look very flat i don't think this method is worth the time if you're getting such poor results. Especially if you're new or just hate painting like i am. Thanks for the video anyway.
Personally, I think for white starting with a lighter grey and then using a very light grey and white as highlights like you did with the black looks better then starting with white. I find that objects in nature are rarely pure white.
White is the worst, I think mostly because the pigments are huge. I remember painting my ComStar Mechs and it was the worst scheme I ever did (white on more white).
Dude I can agree with whatever opinion you may have about the contradiction that this video represents and how a speed painting video of black and white ARMOR is.. well... But HER CATS ARE THE CUTEST BABIES EVER! All cats are awesome and deserve nothing but love and adoration 😍 so if anything subscribing for the cats❤❤❤
This is pretty much exactly the same, step by step, as Juan Hidalgo's "Zero Skill Black" video that he published about 2 months before this one was created. th-cam.com/video/CUM1ShfnrD0/w-d-xo.html
@@LylaMev I know, I watched both, just love the look when you look at the video history with the two back to back 😅 I am myself very guilty of speedpainting to much and not focusing on improving. That is why I watch this video as well. So I can push through the parts I am not interested in quickly, and then focus on the parts I am currently practicing
She said speedpainting can take the fun out of the hobby and make it feel like a chore. I mean I definitely agree, I do star wars legions and my units I speedpaint, but any hero or villain I just paint normally because its more fun.
I'm still kind of shocked that in a creative hobby like miniature painting, painting lore-accurate space marines from existing chapters is not only not discouraged, but the norm. Before getting into the hobby, I'd assumed you'd be looked down upon as uncreative if you didn't roll up with your own custom chapter.
@@isisnmagic1812 Aren't there existing rules for custom chapters where you just take the mechanics from an existing chapter? I thought that was a part of it. If you actually have to use official chapters, that's rough.
its funny to see the cycles of hobby painting. dry brushing was in when i started, then it was out, now its back in.
👍👍 congrats on the box art, I love that for you 😃!
Thank you!!
Tnx Lyla this was really helpful been struggling to paint some deathwatch marines, big fan keep up the GREAT work
For shading the white, I'd recommend just using Soulblight Grey as a wash, or Apothecary White contrast paint. I used to just thin down Nuln Oil, but Soulblight Grey makes that a lot simpler.
There's a few other GW contrast paints with very light colors like Gryph-charger Grey, though you'll probably need to thin those down, similar to in the video, to keep the armor white enough.
Wow. Okay. This is somwthing I could actually follow. Thank you!
That speed paint trick with the medium is amazing.
I might have to try this. Good ideas.
I really want to combine these 2 techniques into a Panda-schemed Chapter (not joking)
👍👍 that sounds awesome!
@@philurbaniak1811 Oh no! Now I have too 😅
@luddite2075 report back!
I appreciate the "too much paint" graphic to point out how things can go wrong but are easily fixed.
I have a similar technique to painting black minatures. Its interesting to see other peoples variations. Well done! the black looks great.
Thank you for the video. I am a newb and this helps a ton.
Always enjoy seeing the videos come out! You’ve still painted my favorite miniature in my collection to date - the Skeleton Boss from Kingdom Death. That paint job is an absolute masterpiece.
I'm not a figure painter, but I do understand the ideas behind it thanks to your channel and some others. Thank you for that!
With that in mind, I miss the zenithal (?) lighting on the weapons of the black figure. Perhaps some shading on the undersides of the weapons as well. They feel "photoshopped" to the photo of a well painted mini :)
BTW, my 4-year-old just saw the image of both figures at the end of the video and now he wants to paint some "small space soldiers" himself :) Thanx! :D
Keep up the great work!
Your Brusheeeees :O You have sucha good brushcontrol that you can get away with it, but THIS is my nightmare :)))
Back to back uploads!?
That was pretty easy
Thoughts on air brushing the grim black instead and finishing things off with a pin wash recess shade?
For the black armour method, how would replacing the greys with blues or maybe even reds look, do you think?
I've also had a mad thought about doing an Slaves to Darkness army with Chaos Warriors in white armour
Thanks ! Going to use this method of painting white to expand my high elf army when the old world finally drops :D
Hmm, even though I don't do the speed painting thing? This is good input as to how to do up armies of little guys like this even if you don't do that. Though if it were me, instead of gray I'd do a desaturated blue tone like P3 Coal Black to begin with and then lightening that from there for black, and this still gave me inspiration, so thank you!
yellow I never mix enough and have a shift in color on the last few models
I’ll do you one better, instead of the mix of Tyrion Navy on white, what about Soulblight Grey? It’s essentially a super thinned down contrast grey! Great Tutorial though, I plan on using this tutorial for my black Templars, and my home brew SM Chapter I’m building.
This vide really helped me, thank you!
I'd love to see more detail about how you applied the dusty paint to the feet of the black model!
The basecoat with the highlight layer paint mixed with base paint used on half of the model is how I paint my Space Marines, only I do a bit of water blending when transiting from dark to light tone. I'll give the drybrush a go on the next projects.
The first model you've painted, is it a Raven Guard from 2nd company (company colour gold) or one of the successor Chapter?
It's okay, I think I remember you telling us that you paint Space Marines to text out the new paints? To me he looks like he's from the Raven Guard. A bit of my interpretation, nothing too important. Good painting. 👍
Test out new paints I mean! 😓
Newly discovered your channel and loving the content! The black one seems like a slap chop variant - but with a damp drybrush????
I love the timeline of this video, I just finished a intersection kill team done as Son’s of Phoenix, entire time I hated that I picked white. I finished maybe 20 mins ago and I open my phone to thing video staring me in the face :p lol
The easiest way to paint black armour is to directional edge highlight directly over black with a dark grey. (In the case of your characters, black undercoat, layer Model Painter grey black leaving the recesses black, followed by a dark grey highlight for directional edge highlighting.)
For white armour: White undercoat, Corax white basecoat, recess wash with space wolves grey, fix with corax white, edge highlight with white scar.
These are the methods I use for painting my White Scars and Black Templars armies. Because I use models from 2nd ed, I have more flat surface areas with minimal detail, so painting marines is very easy.
Two videos so close together. I feel spoiled 😂
What is the value/reason for using drybrushing for zenithal rather than using the airbrush (which is what I always do)? It seems like a lot of work without any advantage that I can see. This is a genuine question, I'm no great painter so I'm just wanting to understand this choice better.
Drybrushing will catch on the edges giving you more dramatic changes in color, so if your speedpaint is thin enough, you get sharper edge highlights without extra effort. You will still get edge highlights if you airbrushed the zenithal due to the nature of speedpaints, but they won't be as pronounced. IMO, airbrushing the zenithal will give smoother gradients on your flat armor panels though. Both techniques are useful for different things, and can even be combined. I will often 3-tone zenithal through the airbrush and then give a super-soft drybrush of my brightest tone before moving on to speedpaints to get the best of both worlds.
@@jtswargaming Thank you, that's really helpful info.
1:04 the camera not being able to compensate for the brushes movements leaves an awesome visual effect!
Not sarcastic: for the base layers, why not use the same white in the airbrush and on the, uh, not-air brush?
Did you try to airbrush the speedpaint? If yes, in what way is it different to the paintbrush version?
I love the airbrush! The airbrush is so much better. I would paint the black armor black with zenithal, and then I'd paint the white armor white with targeted light blue airbrush for the shadows
ooooo. I want to see an airbrush video!
@@funchick202 me too!!
The white model in tone on tone would have been really sick.
to be fair, looking at that black armor that isn't black at all and looking how resessors and joints on white armor making it look very flat i don't think this method is worth the time if you're getting such poor results. Especially if you're new or just hate painting like i am.
Thanks for the video anyway.
Personally, I think for white starting with a lighter grey and then using a very light grey and white as highlights like you did with the black looks better then starting with white. I find that objects in nature are rarely pure white.
There's a reason it was a "white" whale in the book. Melville was secretly a miniature painter...😁
Yellow. Because it's hard to paint when its scared.
Answer is definitely white, its a pain!
Can you shot out. A channel called watch it paint it they paint minis
White is the worst, I think mostly because the pigments are huge. I remember painting my ComStar Mechs and it was the worst scheme I ever did (white on more white).
I was going to subscribe. Then I saw the cat.
Dude I can agree with whatever opinion you may have about the contradiction that this video represents and how a speed painting video of black and white ARMOR is.. well... But HER CATS ARE THE CUTEST BABIES EVER! All cats are awesome and deserve nothing but love and adoration 😍 so if anything subscribing for the cats❤❤❤
@@JEANPIXBN it was a joke, and I subscribed
For the algorithm
The black is nice, the white looks thick and blotchy. Not a fan. Black tutorial is nice though
yyyyyeah. I don't like neither the black or the white. Both are super super unremarkable with very little to none depth.
Thats not the technique, thats because I painted over a previously painted model.
Yellow. I do not like painting yellow. It never looks right.
This is pretty much exactly the same, step by step, as Juan Hidalgo's "Zero Skill Black" video that he published about 2 months before this one was created.
th-cam.com/video/CUM1ShfnrD0/w-d-xo.html
I hate painting the color white because when i use it i don't want white i want WHITE.
Yellow is the worse colour ever to paint, i avoid white 😅😅
Worst color is yellow
Agree
You lost me at air brush
1 day ago, 4 Ways Speed Painting is Secretly RUINING Your Hobby
23 min ago, How to Paint Black and White Armor FAST
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I literally say that it is the mindset of speed painting that could ruin your hobby, not speed painting itself
This right here.
@@LylaMev I know, I watched both, just love the look when you look at the video history with the two back to back 😅
I am myself very guilty of speedpainting to much and not focusing on improving.
That is why I watch this video as well. So I can push through the parts I am not interested in quickly, and then focus on the parts I am currently practicing
Wonderful!
TH-camrs 🤷♂️
didn't you just make a video about how speed painting is RuInING YoUr mInIaTuurES?
Happy to help!
Shhhhhhh
She said speedpainting can take the fun out of the hobby and make it feel like a chore. I mean I definitely agree, I do star wars legions and my units I speedpaint, but any hero or villain I just paint normally because its more fun.
Exactly! I didn't say not to speed paint.
I paint a mixture of techniques to enjoy the road
Yellow is the worst color to paint.
I'm still kind of shocked that in a creative hobby like miniature painting, painting lore-accurate space marines from existing chapters is not only not discouraged, but the norm. Before getting into the hobby, I'd assumed you'd be looked down upon as uncreative if you didn't roll up with your own custom chapter.
Official GW competitions ask you to follow the set down rules and lore otherwise it's your mini do as you please.
@@isisnmagic1812 Aren't there existing rules for custom chapters where you just take the mechanics from an existing chapter? I thought that was a part of it. If you actually have to use official chapters, that's rough.