Why is no one talking about how Blade Runner 2049 is getting almost totally snubbed by all the awards shows? It was the critics' darling when it came out, but now it's like it never happened. Should have had at least a couple best picture/best director noms.
The relative failure of Blade Runner 2049 makes me sad. It was such a beautiful, intriguing film. Yes, it was slow and ponderous (intentionally so), but the visuals were beyond stunning, and the story was extremely compelling.
Blade Runner 2049 was not a relative failure; it was a box office bomb pure and simple. It was unnecessarily long and included gratuitous violence, which killed universal appeal for it.
3 Michael Stuhlbarg movies 2 Lucas Hedges movies 2 Timothee Chalamet movies 2 Caleb Landry Jones movies 2 Bradley Whitford movies 2 Tracy Letts movies 2 Kathryn Newton movies (bit of overlap) got nominated for Best Picture
Too bad Wind River didn't get more attention but really glad Logan got a screenplay nod. The second superhero movie to ever get an above the line nod (first obviously being Dark Knight) and it's easy to see why they appealed to the academy over the traditional superhero movie
I'm a fan of both Zimmer's work and Vangelis, but 2049's soundtrack is a 2-disc bore! Just bought it... they even included the Sinatra and Elvis songs, which seem misplaced in this soundtrack.
Anyone else find it infuriating that NONE of these big movie channels like SJ, Collider, What The Flick are mentioning BR2049 as a BP and Best Director contender yet never fail to slide Wonder Woman in there? You look everywhere on reddit and youtube and its clear BR2049 is the internets favorite film. Its like we're all yelling through screen but the people voicing their opinions who actually have a following are completely ignorant
Well, you've definitely got a point there. Two completely different films though. How do you compare the direction of a massive sci-fi film with extensive FX shots with a relatively simple, low-budget horror film?
If you don't nominate Get Out, then you have #Oscarssowhite again. While I agree a lot of black actors, films, and filmmakers get snubbed, sometimes a year goes by where nothing in that demographic SHOULD make the cut.
Get Out is being heralded mostly for political reasons. Race is such a hot button issue right now. It was done in a clever way, so everyone wants to get behind it. In reality it's kind of just an average movie. Had it come out in the 90's it would probably have been mostly ignored and the kind of movie teens would watch on HBO late at night.
Justin Muller Haha true. Stuhlbarg is in, Shape of Water, CMBYN, The Post. Chalamet is in, CMBYN, and Lady Bird. Hedges is in, Lady Bird and Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri.
Sylvia Hoeks should have gotten a best supporting actress nomination, IMO. She was pretty amazing in Blade Runner 2049. She stole every scene she was in.
The oscars hate animation. The boss baby and feriband got nonmineted for best animated film over Lego batman and silent voice. Those films are better quality then boss baby and feriband.
your name was put in for nominations the previous year thus this year it wasn't qualified. doesn't matter though it wouldn't have made it in this year either
I'm deeply upset that Koe no Katachi / A Silent Voice didnt get a nom- that film touched me in ways I have to point out on a doll. It'd be one thing if it lost out to other critically acclaimed animations from the west, but Boss Baby? Really? Now, I realize ratings aren't a guarantor of Oscar success, but just look at Rotten Tomatoes for the Nominees: Boss Baby - 52 vs 52 Coco - 97 vs 95 Breadwinner - 93 vs 89 Ferdinand - 70 vs 49 (Wow- the audience liked Boss Baby more!) Vincent - 83 vs 87 Now our non-nominees: Koe No Katachi (A Silent Voice) - 91 vs 90 Kono Sekai No Katsumi Ni (In This Corner of the World) - 98 vs 95 You cant tell me that one of these fantastic films couldn't have replaced Boss Baby or Ferdinand. The only reason they aren't up there is that Anime doesn't have a lobby championing it.
You know why there are almost no oscar bait movies this year?! Because the Weinstein Company is gone. Think about it, most of the oscar bait movies that were nominated in the past few years came from the Weinsteins: The Imitation Game, Lion, The Iron Lady, The King's Speech, Philomena, The Artist, etc.
Blade Runner 2049 deserved to be nonmineted for best picture in oscars and director. As well for logan in best picture amd leading actor for Hugh Jackman and supporting actor for Patrick Stewart.
The only anime they like are Ghibli movies because of Disney. They don't really respect Japanese anime. They nominated a Polish(Vincent) and Canada/Irish(The Breadwinner) movies.
Marlynne K How being his looks distracting got something to do with his acting skills? And how is he overrated if he hardly ever gets nominated for something? By the way, his acting in Call me by Your Name was worth a nomination more than Richard Jenkins or Woody Harrelson.
Ive never rated Armie Hammer but i have to say i thought his performance in this was outstanding His role required a certain subtlety which I think he portrayed excellently. His omission was criminal. How Woody Harrelson got in there is mind boggling. He a fine in three billboards but nothing Oscar worthy. I would also have replaced Plummer for Stuhlbarg, whose speech alone deserved a nomination
I never forgot the 1960 Academy Awards ceremony for 1959 movies. I had seen NORTH BY NORTHWEST and THE NUN'S STORY, but not (at that time) BEN-HUR, which was so big it hadn't yet arrived at a local theater. And I was so outraged at BEN-HUR winning 11 Oscars and leaving none for NORTH BY NORTHWEST or THE NUN'S STORY, that I declared (in my 12-year-old wisdom), "These aren't Academy Awards! They're BEN-HUR Awards!" Well, after I saw BEN-HUR, I said OK, it can have all those Oscars. But you know what? NORTH BY NORTHWEST (which wasn't even nominated for Best Picture, Best Director, Best Actor, or Best Music Score) is now a classic. THE NUN'S STORY doesn't seem to be as well remembered, but it features a luminous, moving performance by Audrey Hepburn and remains fascinating today. Wonderful movies don't have to win Oscars to become classics.
Each of the films they picked as their favorite of the year was nominated for Best Picture, or Best Documentary Feature in Alonso's case. Good call, you guys.
I didn’t think he was cheesy at all. He was juggling 20 different personalities, and I think he did an incredible job with all of them. So much so, that I forgot I was watching a performance. The fact that no one mentions his name bothers me. Denzel Washington, but not James McAvoy, really?
I love how Ben was so obsessed with that Best Leading Actor category! Hahaha. He's absolutely correct! If only Timothee were French citizen, this will be the first year NO WHITE MALE AMERICAN nominated! And I love how Christy and Alonso still stubbornly insist Timmy to win it. Me too! *I AM ON TEAM CHALAMET UNTIL THE END OF THE WORLD!* It's so stupid they only let young actresses win Best Actress and only award middle age men to win Best Actor! BREAK THAT RECORD, TIMMY! TIME'S UP!
Same here! Timothee is the most deserving of a win in that category!! His performance was so layered and riveting !!! I hate that Oldman is only winning because "he is overdue"
Other than the fact that it is overdue, Darkest Hour is an average movie, but, Gary Oldman performance was extraordinary. He disappears behind the character of Whinston Churchill. I liked Timmothy a lot but seriously Oldman was just brilliant. Let him have this one. I am certain you only saw Call me by your name and think that all awards should go to that movie.
No. I've seen Darkest Hour too. The film was quiet boring, it's exactly like the 11th episode of The Crown but dragged for two hours damn long with better make up. And I agree, Gary Oldman is unbeatable in that film. The thing is, it's just unfair to compare Chalamet with Oldman. In my opinion Chalamet win it by GRACE, Oldman win it by POWER.
Biggest Snubs: 1. Lego Batman not being nominated when it's the runner up to COCO 2. Denzel Washington replacing James Franco or Hugh Jackman for Logan 3. Christopher Plummer replacing both Patrick Stewart or Michael Stuhlbarg in CMBYN 4. The Big Sick or The Florida Project (but especially Florida Project) wasn't nominated for best picture! COME ON ACADEMY! YOU HAVE 10 SLOTS FOR A REASON! 5. Holly Hunter not being nominated for her IMPECCABLE work in The Big Sick 6. Martin McDonah not being nominated for best director
If a Woman was going to be nominated for Best Director it should have been Bigelow. They are overhyping Gerwig. You can't honestly tell me she is a better director than Bigelow and Denis or Speilberg
Lol you think Gerwig is even in the same Leauge as a veteran like PTA is laughable. Gerwig made a coming of age indie comedy. Any indie director can make that movie. Gerwig still has a lot to learn.
Gavin48 No, I don't think Gerwig is a better filmmaker than him overall. I love PTA, he's one of my favorite directors of all time. However, I do think that she did a better directing job than him this year. I just really wasn't very impressed with Phantom Thread.
EX LIBRIS MENTION! Alonso for the win. FYI - most of Wiseman's docs will be available on Kanopy via your PUBLIC LIBRARY soon. That means you can stream his movies for free at home folks. Legally.
I've seen Get Out four times. It's a really fun movie. But I really think it gets too much credit. The story was predictable. Some of the performances weren't convincing as real people (the brother). And most importantly it wasn't scary! Some of the spook scenes looked goofy. Like when Chris steps out for a smoke in the middle of the night and sees the grandmom in the window, she looks cross eyed. It looks like a parody of a jump scare you'd see in something from the Scary Movie franchise.
I think it's supposed to be goofy it's satire. I agree it's kind of average. it has an interesting idea (although it's not profound or anything) but it loses pace half way through.
I would have loved to have seen a nomination for Sir Patrick Stewart in Logan. I am also baffled by the lack of major award love for Blade Runner 2049. Denis Villeneuve should have at least snuck into the best director category.
Anybody getting too upset about what did or didn't get nomimated needs to understand that the Oscars are primarily a promotional tool used by Hollywood to drum up more hype and more sales. If you're 25 or older you should know this by now, you should have gone through the cycle of bewilderment and disgust enough times by now to see a larger pattern emerging. It's not really about merit, and even if it was, what makes you think that the 8,400 who vote on it have particularly good taste in movies? Year in and year out, movies that will be largely forgotten in just a few months (Spotlight, Moonlight) are feted with honors. It's rare that a genuinely great movie that will be popular for a long time gets handsomely rewarded: Gladiator in 2000 is a prominent example, but if it hadn't already done so well at the box office, voters would have gone with some other contender that made more money.
I personally thought Harry Dean Stanton should’ve at least had some BUZZ for his final performance in Lucky which was my favorite performance of the year.
Even as a major Wonder Woman fan, I concede that other fine movies crowded it out fair and square. What does confound me, however, is that WW is not even nominated for best music. That movie's score continues to haunt and inspire me. I've listened to many other movies, and their music is good, but Wonder Woman is something special.
Christopher plummer getting a nomination for last-minute filling a role is pretty great, dunno if he got that cuz of the story around it or what (haven't seen the movie yet), but pretty great all the same.
It could be a regular snub for Franco. They do happen. I remember being shocked at Tom Hanks' widespread acclaim for Captain Phillips being totally ignored.
really? REALLY?!!?!?!!!!!! Dunkirk with the second most nominations, 8, BARELY got mentioned or discussed(only for literally 2 seconds), and the same for BR2049? geez
Movies like the Dark knight are the reason the number of nominees got bumped up to a max. of 10, NOT movies like wonder woman, which is riding the wave of political film criticism
Next year the academy won't be able to snub Jake Gyllenhaal anymore. He's got so much promising movies coming out over the next two years. It's insane. Watch out for Velvet Buzzsaw.
Blade Runner 2049 is the best movie of the decade, and yet the Academy and critics don’t seem to get it. Anyway the Shape of Water should win best picture, but Get Out will win. They’re both complex and socially relevant films that the Academy wants to reward. Also why didn’t Split get any love this year?
Always go with the year the movie was released, Ben. Not the year it won all its awards. The one exception is Casablanca. It should now & forever be a movie from 1943.
Would you mind adding a link to the list of Oscar nominations to the description so that we can see who all the nominees were? Thanks! :^]Also, any thoughts on Best Foreign Film?
Alright, I know it is not a top news item regarding the Oscars, but Boss Baby is one of the 5 nominees for Best Animated Feature, over Lego Batman, REALLY?
I am glad the What the Flick crew doesn't take the Oscars seriously, because I don't either. In fact, I haven't seen ANY of the movies that got nominated except for "Blade Runner" and part of "Get Out." But I still have opinions, so here is my list of likely winners for the big awards, and my reasons for them, such as they are: Best Picture: My three faves are "Get Out," "Lady Bird" and "Three Billboards." "Get Out" is by that Peele guy, and I liked him on Kay & Peele, though I found the movie kinda dull, so it's not the winner. "Lady Bird" and "Three Billboards" both looked good in the trailers, and I definitely plan to catch them when they get to cable TV. Of the two, "Three Billboards" looks like more wacky fun, and Frances McDormand was SO freaking good in Fargo, and this looks like another Fargo-type role for her, so I'm giving "Three Billboards" the nod for Best Picture winner. Lead Actor: I haven't even seen the TRAILERS for any of the films listed here, except for "Roman J. Isreal" (though I did see "Get Out") so I'm giving the nod to Denzel Washington for "RJI" just because he did OK in the trailer, though the role didn't exactly look challenging for him. (Didn't like "Get Out," so no nod for it.) I'm really torn on the Best Actress nomination. Frankly, I wouldn't be upset if Margot Robbie, Saorsie Ronan or Frances McDormand won it. They all looked great in the trailers. But I'm thinking Margot Robbie was SOOOO sexy in "Wolf of Wall Street" and "Suicide Squad" and I actually SAW Suicide Squad (just saw a Reddit Gif of her naked scene in "Wolf of Wall St.-- Damn!). And I do like the sexy. So Robbie gets the nod for Best Actress. Best Supporting Actor: Kinda torn here between Willem Dafoe in "The Florida Project" and all the others except for "All the Money In the World" which I THINK I saw the trailer for but forgot all about, it was that dull. But "The Florida Project looks really interesting, and the What the Flicks crew said it was great, and Dafoe was GREAT as the bad guy in "Streets of Fire" (a fave in our household) so Dafoe gets the nod. Best Supporting Actress like Best Supporting Actor is a tough one. it's just so hard to judge supporting roles based on the trailers alone. But it can be done. And I'm giving the nod to Octavia Spencer for "The Shape of Water" because it's science fiction, and I lurve me some science fiction. Best Director is another tough one. They're ALL great. I've liked movies by all the nominated directors even though the only one I've seen is Get Out, which I didn't like, but damn, I like Jordan Peele. I want to give Peele and Gerwig both an "attaboy!" for moving from acting to directing and writing. But I think I'm gonna give Gerwig the nod because I liked her in "Damsels in Distress" which I enjoyed after I got over my disappointment that it did not have any bondage in it. Well, there you have it, my predictions for the 2017 Oscars. I'm pretty sure i'm going to be nominated to the Academy or given a sweet gig reviewing movies based on this post alone. But even if that doesn't happen, well lack of virtue is its own reward.
You four are SO great together...I'm glad you've all stuck together at WTF for 7 years now.
LEGO Batman getting snubbed over Boss Baby...
I am heart broken that "in a heartbeat" did not get a nomination for best animated short
Blade Runner should have gotten a Best Picture nom
And Best Director, even more than Best Picture, honestly.
not when it is 45 minutes too long.
Caleb W how's does Gone With the wind win all those awards, it's more than 4 hours.
Caleb W is
Agreed. I'm normally not into sci-fi movies but that was epic - real standout film.
You guys are the best and most sensible. You guys chose Call Me By Your Name as the best film so that lends to your credibility
Why is no one talking about how Blade Runner 2049 is getting almost totally snubbed by all the awards shows? It was the critics' darling when it came out, but now it's like it never happened. Should have had at least a couple best picture/best director noms.
The relative failure of Blade Runner 2049 makes me sad. It was such a beautiful, intriguing film. Yes, it was slow and ponderous (intentionally so), but the visuals were beyond stunning, and the story was extremely compelling.
I would take out Peele and put in Villeneuve.
kore reviews it wasn't loved by all critics and it's not the kind of film Oscars or Golden Globes tend to award
Blade Runner 2049 was not a relative failure; it was a box office bomb pure and simple. It was unnecessarily long and included gratuitous violence, which killed universal appeal for it.
Ryungun Rie Death by deer antlers in Get Out. I wouldn't describe the violence in 2049 as gratuitous. And the length was just right for me.
Speaking of Michael Stuhlbarg, 3 of his movies got nomination for best picture 🤷
Nuhan Hidayat and he was in Fargo, which was nominated for best limited series
3 Michael Stuhlbarg movies
2 Lucas Hedges movies
2 Timothee Chalamet movies
2 Caleb Landry Jones movies
2 Bradley Whitford movies
2 Tracy Letts movies
2 Kathryn Newton movies
(bit of overlap)
got nominated for Best Picture
Too bad Wind River didn't get more attention but really glad Logan got a screenplay nod. The second superhero movie to ever get an above the line nod (first obviously being Dark Knight) and it's easy to see why they appealed to the academy over the traditional superhero movie
Wonder Woman for best picture??? Are you crazy... Bladerunner 2049 needed a best pic nomination.
Alonso saying "Just stop," to Matt is the best. :)
Christy's weird ass drink containers are back! Today it's a....fish plastic bottle?
Nobody laughs harder at Matt Atchity's jokes than Matt Atchity.
Phantom Thread is holy shit so good
Hans Zimmer may have deserved a 2nd nomination for BladeRunner 2049 > amazing soundtrack
Yes, it was fantastic.
And should win for dunkirk.
I'm a fan of both Zimmer's work and Vangelis, but 2049's soundtrack is a 2-disc bore! Just bought it... they even included the Sinatra and Elvis songs, which seem misplaced in this soundtrack.
Anyone else find it infuriating that NONE of these big movie channels like SJ, Collider, What The Flick are mentioning BR2049 as a BP and Best Director contender yet never fail to slide Wonder Woman in there? You look everywhere on reddit and youtube and its clear BR2049 is the internets favorite film. Its like we're all yelling through screen but the people voicing their opinions who actually have a following are completely ignorant
Jacob Seibers SO TRUE
Jacob Seibers and yet no one went to see it
Can someone please explain to me how Get Out is better directed than Blade Runner 2049? Loved Get Out, but come on!
Well, you've definitely got a point there. Two completely different films though. How do you compare the direction of a massive sci-fi film with extensive FX shots with a relatively simple, low-budget horror film?
Totally agree
Villeneuve could've directed Get Out. I have a hard time believing Peele could direct 2049!
If you don't nominate Get Out, then you have #Oscarssowhite again. While I agree a lot of black actors, films, and filmmakers get snubbed, sometimes a year goes by where nothing in that demographic SHOULD make the cut.
Get Out is being heralded mostly for political reasons. Race is such a hot button issue right now. It was done in a clever way, so everyone wants to get behind it. In reality it's kind of just an average movie. Had it come out in the 90's it would probably have been mostly ignored and the kind of movie teens would watch on HBO late at night.
Christy looks right at the camera when she drinks from her fish glass.
...she's taunting us now.
When Alonzo said “fuck that noise”... 🤣😂
Who is the most likely to be up on the stage for best picture? Michael Stuhlbarg, Timothee Chalamet, or Lucas Hedges?
Justin Muller Haha true. Stuhlbarg is in, Shape of Water, CMBYN, The Post. Chalamet is in, CMBYN, and Lady Bird. Hedges is in, Lady Bird and Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri.
Christy's wacky drink receptacle is back!
The straw is longer than her arm!
Dunkirk's domestic box office wasn't that much higher than Get Out but it was still higher, and Dunkirk had a really great worldwide box office.
My top 3 are Blade Runner, Ghost Story, and Phantom Thread. So come Oscar night, I'm team 2049 and Phantom Thread!!
Sylvia Hoeks should have gotten a best supporting actress nomination, IMO. She was pretty amazing in Blade Runner 2049. She stole every scene she was in.
Why would Wonder Woman be in the Oscar race? Its not worthy of an Oscar . Stop believing the hype, it was an OK movie at best.
i really thought that Aubrey Plaza's name for her role in Ingrid Goes West should have at least been in the conversation this awards season. oh well.
She was great but it's such a crowded field. It'd be hard to justify putting her in a lead category.
I loved that movie but it was waaaaaay to small of a movie for it to be noticed. Did get nominated for Independent Spirits Awards though.
MKSongbird she always play the same character in movies and shows and that why she doesn't get nonmineted.
I hated the movie (mostly because of how uneasy it made me feel) but she was absolutely fantastic in it
She was so amazing! Still my favorite performance of the year
The oscars hate animation. The boss baby and feriband got nonmineted for best animated film over Lego batman and silent voice. Those films are better quality then boss baby and feriband.
Bruce Banana and they didn’t nominate Your Name which is my favorite movie of all time
your name was put in for nominations the previous year thus this year it wasn't qualified. doesn't matter though it wouldn't have made it in this year either
Your Name was amazing. Much better than Coco.
Kimi no na wa wasn't nominated last year either
I'm deeply upset that Koe no Katachi / A Silent Voice didnt get a nom- that film touched me in ways I have to point out on a doll. It'd be one thing if it lost out to other critically acclaimed animations from the west, but Boss Baby? Really? Now, I realize ratings aren't a guarantor of Oscar success, but just look at Rotten Tomatoes for the Nominees:
Boss Baby - 52 vs 52
Coco - 97 vs 95
Breadwinner - 93 vs 89
Ferdinand - 70 vs 49 (Wow- the audience liked Boss Baby more!)
Vincent - 83 vs 87
Now our non-nominees:
Koe No Katachi (A Silent Voice) - 91 vs 90
Kono Sekai No Katsumi Ni (In This Corner of the World) - 98 vs 95
You cant tell me that one of these fantastic films couldn't have replaced Boss Baby or Ferdinand. The only reason they aren't up there is that Anime doesn't have a lobby championing it.
You know why there are almost no oscar bait movies this year?! Because the Weinstein Company is gone. Think about it, most of the oscar bait movies that were nominated in the past few years came from the Weinsteins: The Imitation Game, Lion, The Iron Lady, The King's Speech, Philomena, The Artist, etc.
Am I the only one who's pissed that James McAvoy didn't get nominated for his Freakin Amazing performance in Split!!!
Blade Runner 2049 deserved to be nonmineted for best picture in oscars and director. As well for logan in best picture amd leading actor for Hugh Jackman and supporting actor for Patrick Stewart.
Finally, the academy got it right. Lots of interesting films getting recognition instead of the same old oscar bait.
I was sad 'Your Name' didn't get a Animated Film nomination.
misterclock that came out last year and funmation push to oscars last year for best animated film in 2017.
oh. my bad. I saw it in theaters in 2017.
One of if not my favorite films of all time.
a silent voice is better then all the animated movies including the great Coco and that didnt get nominated.
The only anime they like are Ghibli movies because of Disney. They don't really respect Japanese anime. They nominated a Polish(Vincent) and Canada/Irish(The Breadwinner) movies.
What the hell is christie drinking out of
Why do people think Wonder Woman deserves Oscar noms? I do not get it.
This whole dialogue delighted me. I love the WTF crew!
Armie Hammer does not make Timothee's performance better. It's vice versa.
No way! Armie Hammer's role is way harder mostly because of all the subtleness required. I agree it wouldn't work out without the chemistry though.
Agree 100% Armie just isn't such a good actor.
mmmallory33 - agree. Hammer is overrated in general. His looks are somehow distracting.
Marlynne K How being his looks distracting got something to do with his acting skills? And how is he overrated if he hardly ever gets nominated for something? By the way, his acting in Call me by Your Name was worth a nomination more than Richard Jenkins or Woody Harrelson.
Ive never rated Armie Hammer but i have to say i thought his performance in this was outstanding His role required a certain subtlety which I think he portrayed excellently. His omission was criminal. How Woody Harrelson got in there is mind boggling. He a fine in three billboards but nothing Oscar worthy. I would also have replaced Plummer for Stuhlbarg, whose speech alone deserved a nomination
Someone please tell Matt to stop making jokes.
Matt's humor was way off today.
Stop commenting on TH-cam videos.
SYLVIA HOEKS FOR BLADE RUNNER 2049!!!
Blade Runner 2049 will be one of the movies actually remembered from 2017
"The Incredibles" was also nominated for Best Original Screenplay, but other than that yeah Logan is the second one I believe.
kbros9698 okay, then Logan will be first for adapted screenplay. Still first in that regard. Lol.
First live action superhero film nominated, there that is a better way of putting it
David Yup!!!
And The Post isn't total Oscar Bait?
I never forgot the 1960 Academy Awards ceremony for 1959 movies. I had seen NORTH BY NORTHWEST and THE NUN'S STORY, but not (at that time) BEN-HUR, which was so big it hadn't yet arrived at a local theater. And I was so outraged at BEN-HUR winning 11 Oscars and leaving none for NORTH BY NORTHWEST or THE NUN'S STORY, that I declared (in my 12-year-old wisdom), "These aren't Academy Awards! They're BEN-HUR Awards!" Well, after I saw BEN-HUR, I said OK, it can have all those Oscars. But you know what? NORTH BY NORTHWEST (which wasn't even nominated for Best Picture, Best Director, Best Actor, or Best Music Score) is now a classic. THE NUN'S STORY doesn't seem to be as well remembered, but it features a luminous, moving performance by Audrey Hepburn and remains fascinating today. Wonderful movies don't have to win Oscars to become classics.
Also, Ladybird and Get Out are the first films by those directors and look at all the noms they got. Pretty astonishing!
Oscars has started to simply bow to social media pressure rather than care about credibility.
The average age of an Oscar voter is about 60 years old, so I highly doubt that.
the oscars are a leftist circle jerk
Logan > Wonder Woman
And Blade Runner should have been nominated for best picture
0:40 Ben pretty much summed up my feeling about film in 2017
Always enjoy these discussions! Look forward to them every year. 😁
Each of the films they picked as their favorite of the year was nominated for Best Picture, or Best Documentary Feature in Alonso's case. Good call, you guys.
You guys didn’t mention Jessica Chastain not getting nominated.
Can’t believe there’s no mention of James McAvoy in “Split”
Michael Barbera He was so great. But the Academy also overlooked John Goodman for 10 Cloverfield Lane last year
Second that!
Michael Barbera his performance feels to cheese ar times.
Yes, what happened??
I didn’t think he was cheesy at all. He was juggling 20 different personalities, and I think he did an incredible job with all of them. So much so, that I forgot I was watching a performance. The fact that no one mentions his name bothers me. Denzel Washington, but not James McAvoy, really?
I love how Ben was so obsessed with that Best Leading Actor category! Hahaha. He's absolutely correct! If only Timothee were French citizen, this will be the first year NO WHITE MALE AMERICAN nominated!
And I love how Christy and Alonso still stubbornly insist Timmy to win it. Me too! *I AM ON TEAM CHALAMET UNTIL THE END OF THE WORLD!* It's so stupid they only let young actresses win Best Actress and only award middle age men to win Best Actor! BREAK THAT RECORD, TIMMY! TIME'S UP!
Seetha Golden have you heard of Meryl Streep? She's not young and she won in 2013 for the iron lady
Same here! Timothee is the most deserving of a win in that category!! His performance was so layered and riveting !!! I hate that Oldman is only winning because "he is overdue"
Other than the fact that it is overdue, Darkest Hour is an average movie, but, Gary Oldman performance was extraordinary. He disappears behind the character of Whinston Churchill. I liked Timmothy a lot but seriously Oldman was just brilliant. Let him have this one. I am certain you only saw Call me by your name and think that all awards should go to that movie.
No. I've seen Darkest Hour too. The film was quiet boring, it's exactly like the 11th episode of The Crown but dragged for two hours damn long with better make up. And I agree, Gary Oldman is unbeatable in that film. The thing is, it's just unfair to compare Chalamet with Oldman. In my opinion Chalamet win it by GRACE, Oldman win it by POWER.
Nirav Nope, I saw Darkest Hour too. I've always been a fan of Oldman but I don't think he should win for this performance.
Biggest Snubs:
1. Lego Batman not being nominated when it's the runner up to COCO
2. Denzel Washington replacing James Franco or Hugh Jackman for Logan
3. Christopher Plummer replacing both Patrick Stewart or Michael Stuhlbarg in CMBYN
4. The Big Sick or The Florida Project (but especially Florida Project) wasn't nominated for best picture! COME ON ACADEMY! YOU HAVE 10 SLOTS FOR A REASON!
5. Holly Hunter not being nominated for her IMPECCABLE work in The Big Sick
6. Martin McDonah not being nominated for best director
These are so fun to watch, I wish they were an hour long.
Just to clarify... that guy is NOT Hodor? Lol
Christy! work it gurl! are those multiple straws stuck together???? ICONIC
"We don't care what you think about life. Bye." - Christy Lemire, 2018
The Post may be the most Oscar baity film on there guys and you didn’t mention it.
If a Woman was going to be nominated for Best Director it should have been Bigelow. They are overhyping Gerwig. You can't honestly tell me she is a better director than Bigelow and Denis or Speilberg
No.
Detroit was awful.
Greta Gerwig deserves it 100%. If you're gonna take someone out it should be Paul Thomas Anderson
Lol you think Gerwig is even in the same Leauge as a veteran like PTA is laughable. Gerwig made a coming of age indie comedy. Any indie director can make that movie. Gerwig still has a lot to learn.
Gavin48 No, I don't think Gerwig is a better filmmaker than him overall. I love PTA, he's one of my favorite directors of all time. However, I do think that she did a better directing job than him this year. I just really wasn't very impressed with Phantom Thread.
The first superhero movie with a screenplay nomination was actually "The Incredibles".
The nomination for best fish-shaped fluid holding container goes to Christy Lemire.
The video i’ve been waiting for!
*Winner for Best Vodka Jar:* Christy Lemire for her giant fish bowl
How the heck does Christy keep getting better looking!
I think your eyes are just getting worse at looking.
she stays hydrated
Florida Project, Last Jedi, Blade Runner 2049 should all be in the best picture category.
What happened to Wind River??
EX LIBRIS MENTION! Alonso for the win. FYI - most of Wiseman's docs will be available on Kanopy via your PUBLIC LIBRARY soon. That means you can stream his movies for free at home folks. Legally.
I've seen Get Out four times. It's a really fun movie. But I really think it gets too much credit. The story was predictable. Some of the performances weren't convincing as real people (the brother). And most importantly it wasn't scary! Some of the spook scenes looked goofy. Like when Chris steps out for a smoke in the middle of the night and sees the grandmom in the window, she looks cross eyed. It looks like a parody of a jump scare you'd see in something from the Scary Movie franchise.
I think it's supposed to be goofy it's satire. I agree it's kind of average. it has an interesting idea (although it's not profound or anything) but it loses pace half way through.
I would have loved to have seen a nomination for Sir Patrick Stewart in Logan. I am also baffled by the lack of major award love for Blade Runner 2049. Denis Villeneuve should have at least snuck into the best director category.
Anybody getting too upset about what did or didn't get nomimated needs to understand that the Oscars are primarily a promotional tool used by Hollywood to drum up more hype and more sales. If you're 25 or older you should know this by now, you should have gone through the cycle of bewilderment and disgust enough times by now to see a larger pattern emerging.
It's not really about merit, and even if it was, what makes you think that the 8,400 who vote on it have particularly good taste in movies? Year in and year out, movies that will be largely forgotten in just a few months (Spotlight, Moonlight) are feted with honors. It's rare that a genuinely great movie that will be popular for a long time gets handsomely rewarded: Gladiator in 2000 is a prominent example, but if it hadn't already done so well at the box office, voters would have gone with some other contender that made more money.
I personally thought Harry Dean Stanton should’ve at least had some BUZZ for his final performance in Lucky which was my favorite performance of the year.
Great point made by Ben about the bad ending in Wonder Woman.
Even as a major Wonder Woman fan, I concede that other fine movies crowded it out fair and square. What does confound me, however, is that WW is not even nominated for best music. That movie's score continues to haunt and inspire me. I've listened to many other movies, and their music is good, but Wonder Woman is something special.
Christopher plummer getting a nomination for last-minute filling a role is pretty great, dunno if he got that cuz of the story around it or what (haven't seen the movie yet), but pretty great all the same.
It could be a regular snub for Franco. They do happen. I remember being shocked at Tom Hanks' widespread acclaim for Captain Phillips being totally ignored.
Logan wasn't a straight up adaptation, they just took characters from different x men stories, though the story it is channelling was old man Logan.
I cant find Faces Places anywhere!!
Finally someone mentions the Amie Hammer snub.
really? REALLY?!!?!?!!!!!! Dunkirk with the second most nominations, 8, BARELY got mentioned or discussed(only for literally 2 seconds), and the same for BR2049? geez
Movies like the Dark knight are the reason the number of nominees got bumped up to a max. of 10, NOT movies like wonder woman, which is riding the wave of political film criticism
Next year the academy won't be able to snub Jake Gyllenhaal anymore. He's got so much promising movies coming out over the next two years. It's insane.
Watch out for Velvet Buzzsaw.
Blade Runner 2049 is the best movie of the decade, and yet the Academy and critics don’t seem to get it. Anyway the Shape of Water should win best picture, but Get Out will win. They’re both complex and socially relevant films that the Academy wants to reward.
Also why didn’t Split get any love this year?
It's too bad that the Academy forgot about James McAvoy in Split. He was brilliant.
Aubrey Plaza (Ingrid Goes West), Hugh Jackman (Logan) and Blade Runner 2049 were snubbed!
Always go with the year the movie was released, Ben. Not the year it won all its awards. The one exception is Casablanca. It should now & forever be a movie from 1943.
for me Franco not getting nom is just criminal, by far best and most fun performance of the year shame on the oscars
His performance was cartoonish. Not worth a best actor nomination IMO
Would you mind adding a link to the list of Oscar nominations to the description so that we can see who all the nominees were? Thanks! :^]Also, any thoughts on Best Foreign Film?
Alright, I know it is not a top news item regarding the Oscars, but Boss Baby is one of the 5 nominees for Best Animated Feature, over Lego Batman, REALLY?
Please don’t talk over each other.
If they were going to nominate a superhero movie for Best Picture, it should have been Logan.
Love What the Flick. So glad TYT is producing this programing. Really enjoy these reviews.
I've been following WTF since 2010. I miss when Cenk used to sit in and "Cenk up" the score with his layman approach to reviewing films.
Yessss totally agree with you on sound design for mother!
Great chemistry
I love Christy!!! and Matt! and Alonso! and most times Ben!
I am glad the What the Flick crew doesn't take the Oscars seriously, because I don't either. In fact, I haven't seen ANY of the movies that got nominated except for "Blade Runner" and part of "Get Out." But I still have opinions, so here is my list of likely winners for the big awards, and my reasons for them, such as they are:
Best Picture: My three faves are "Get Out," "Lady Bird" and "Three Billboards." "Get Out" is by that Peele guy, and I liked him on Kay & Peele, though I found the movie kinda dull, so it's not the winner. "Lady Bird" and "Three Billboards" both looked good in the trailers, and I definitely plan to catch them when they get to cable TV. Of the two, "Three Billboards" looks like more wacky fun, and Frances McDormand was SO freaking good in Fargo, and this looks like another Fargo-type role for her, so I'm giving "Three Billboards" the nod for Best Picture winner.
Lead Actor: I haven't even seen the TRAILERS for any of the films listed here, except for "Roman J. Isreal" (though I did see "Get Out") so I'm giving the nod to Denzel Washington for "RJI" just because he did OK in the trailer, though the role didn't exactly look challenging for him. (Didn't like "Get Out," so no nod for it.)
I'm really torn on the Best Actress nomination. Frankly, I wouldn't be upset if Margot Robbie, Saorsie Ronan or Frances McDormand won it. They all looked great in the trailers. But I'm thinking Margot Robbie was SOOOO sexy in "Wolf of Wall Street" and "Suicide Squad" and I actually SAW Suicide Squad (just saw a Reddit Gif of her naked scene in "Wolf of Wall St.-- Damn!). And I do like the sexy. So Robbie gets the nod for Best Actress.
Best Supporting Actor: Kinda torn here between Willem Dafoe in "The Florida Project" and all the others except for "All the Money In the World" which I THINK I saw the trailer for but forgot all about, it was that dull. But "The Florida Project looks really interesting, and the What the Flicks crew said it was great, and Dafoe was GREAT as the bad guy in "Streets of Fire" (a fave in our household) so Dafoe gets the nod.
Best Supporting Actress like Best Supporting Actor is a tough one. it's just so hard to judge supporting roles based on the trailers alone. But it can be done. And I'm giving the nod to Octavia Spencer for "The Shape of Water" because it's science fiction, and I lurve me some science fiction.
Best Director is another tough one. They're ALL great. I've liked movies by all the nominated directors even though the only one I've seen is Get Out, which I didn't like, but damn, I like Jordan Peele. I want to give Peele and Gerwig both an "attaboy!" for moving from acting to directing and writing. But I think I'm gonna give Gerwig the nod because I liked her in "Damsels in Distress" which I enjoyed after I got over my disappointment that it did not have any bondage in it.
Well, there you have it, my predictions for the 2017 Oscars. I'm pretty sure i'm going to be nominated to the Academy or given a sweet gig reviewing movies based on this post alone. But even if that doesn't happen, well lack of virtue is its own reward.
The Incredibles was nominated for screenplay.
Christy, you've outdone yourself with today's mug
Denzel was definitely the odd one out in that category, you can almost see where the disaster artist would fit in to these nominations
I would laugh if Wonder Woman got a Best Picture nomination over Logan then looking back at The Dark Knight not getting nominated
How did Boss Baby get nominated and Lego Batman didn't?
I can’t wait to see Phantom Thread tonight!
Good time ????