I tried subcutaneous injections a couple times, but I always get a strange reaction. It feels like I metabolize the testosterone very quickly and towards the evening I get estrogen dominance. Almost seems like the test is dumped into my bloodstream very quickly. On Reddit, I found a few anecdotes of others with a similar effect from subq. Have you ever come across this? I would much rather be able to do subq for steadier levels but currently stuck on IM.
Great content 👍. The gentlemen you have on IM Enanthate, how frequently are they injecting and how do they deal with splitting the 1ml vial? Thanks. Chris.
Dancingbear most of my patients are on EOD, some are on daily, a few are still on every 3.5 days (if it ain’t broke...). My patients have access to 10ml sterile vials for multi dosing.
@@themenshealthclinic In Australia the options are scarce at best. 1ml pre loaded vials of Enanthate 250ml is the only option given. Very hard to micro dose Any ideas?
Why then the higher frequency for subq when the absorption is slower? That part doesn’t make sense to me. Wouldn’t it be backwards, more frequency for IM and less for subq.
I noticed a dip when swapping from IM .5mL twice a week to 0.15mL ED with my US prescribed and provided TRT. Fortunately I live in Mexico and just went to the farmacia and front loaded a bit more in other sub-q spots. Not recommended medically but as a liberty loving adult it's what I chose to do.
Yes. It’s not about bang for you bucks, more stability and minimising your risk of excess aromatisation with IM compared to s/c. You often need a higher total dose with s/c.
i thought the NHS only prescribed nebido and what are your thoughts on Nebido? I've just started treatment but heard nothing but bad things but my doctor said thats the only one available on NHS
I need HELP! I’m in USA and tried cottonseed and Grapeseed oil for test Cyp SubQ and no matter where I stick it I get very itchy large nodules that show up 3 days later and stay there for 6 weeks!!!! I’m out of locations to stick it now and need help. I made sure to bury my 27G 1/2 pin at 90 degrees to ensure it goes deep enough.
@@themenshealthclinic that’s didn’t help at all. After being switched from cotton seed to grape seed my condition hasn’t changed and no one seems to have any options as of yet
I switched from im to subq 1 week ago. And i feel a crash, my libido is down. How long it takes to feel good again? Some people say they have no crash and some say it need a couple weeks to stabilize?
Do all your guys do their subq in the belly fat? I’ve been doing mine in the top upper thigh fat or the fat pad on the top of my glute where I used to do my deep IM. I know there are more capillaries in the belly fat so absorption should be a little quicker I’m assuming. Once you reach a steady state though does it really matter what fat you inject into? Thanks a lot for the update. You’ve answered a lot of my questions. Very appreciative.
Have you watched the recent video from trt and hormone optimization. Some guy on there saying subq doesn’t give optimal results. Doesn’t site any studies or any blood work to back up his claims. Just says that an oil based drug should not be injected into subcutaneous tissue, because of the lack of blood supply for the most part. He gave other reasons, but it all seemed a bit speculatory too me. He also said you get less of a peak from subq which I would think is a good thing. Steady state is what we want. Right? It shouldn’t be about numbers, but about how we feel.
Dr. Robert Stevens I would have to agree. Very arrogant and closed minded over there. If you question their methods you are attacked. Goes to show you what a higher than optimal levels of testosterone levels does to a person. Clouds your judgement and reasoning. Thanks.
You’re probably referring to Gil T who claims to be a doctor but he’s not. He’s a male swimsuit competitor. He owns a trt clinic but isn’t a doctor but he does claim to be one. He’s basically just a male nurse aka trt coach. He’s a complete idiot and argues with everyone who doesn’t agree with him. He has his way and everyone else is wrong. He says 3 days a week of 50 mg per injection shallow I’m is the only way that works period. lol. That group is a bunch of morons. The change there views and flip flop more than a hooker changes her panties. lol.
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This information is gold.
Thank you 😊
I tried subcutaneous injections a couple times, but I always get a strange reaction. It feels like I metabolize the testosterone very quickly and towards the evening I get estrogen dominance. Almost seems like the test is dumped into my bloodstream very quickly. On Reddit, I found a few anecdotes of others with a similar effect from subq. Have you ever come across this? I would much rather be able to do subq for steadier levels but currently stuck on IM.
I pin every 2nd day and rotate belly (subq) and delts (shallow IM) and it seems to be the best protocol for me. Test cyp.
Thanks for the content 👍🏼
Good morning thank you Dr. Stevens all questions answered have a great dayThanks again and have the same bird singing in the background
Great content 👍.
The gentlemen you have on IM Enanthate, how frequently are they injecting and how do they deal with splitting the 1ml vial? Thanks. Chris.
Dancingbear most of my patients are on EOD, some are on daily, a few are still on every 3.5 days (if it ain’t broke...). My patients have access to 10ml sterile vials for multi dosing.
@@themenshealthclinic In Australia the options are scarce at best. 1ml pre loaded vials of Enanthate 250ml is the only option given. Very hard to micro dose Any ideas?
Intramuscular vs Subcutaneous TRT injections th-cam.com/video/kWJDyDv0Ig4/w-d-xo.html
Why then the higher frequency for subq when the absorption is slower? That part doesn’t make sense to me. Wouldn’t it be backwards, more frequency for IM and less for subq.
I noticed a dip when swapping from IM .5mL twice a week to 0.15mL ED with my US prescribed and provided TRT. Fortunately I live in Mexico and just went to the farmacia and front loaded a bit more in other sub-q spots.
Not recommended medically but as a liberty loving adult it's what I chose to do.
Yes. It’s not about bang for you bucks, more stability and minimising your risk of excess aromatisation with IM compared to s/c. You often need a higher total dose with s/c.
Why not to do daily injections but intramuscular?
HI doc. The bottle written intramuscular only. can you still use this bottle as subq. Or you need to buy test C specific for subq. Thank you
i thought the NHS only prescribed nebido and what are your thoughts on Nebido? I've just started treatment but heard nothing but bad things but my doctor said thats the only one available on NHS
Have you seen bloodwork comparing subq vs im or people switching from one the other? If so what have you seen?
I need HELP!
I’m in USA and tried cottonseed and Grapeseed oil for test Cyp SubQ and no matter where I stick it I get very itchy large nodules that show up 3 days later and stay there for 6 weeks!!!!
I’m out of locations to stick it now and need help.
I made sure to bury my 27G 1/2 pin at 90 degrees to ensure it goes deep enough.
You need to speak to your prescribing physician
@@themenshealthclinic that’s didn’t help at all. After being switched from cotton seed to grape seed my condition hasn’t changed and no one seems to have any options as of yet
@@usasupra23how much are you injecting each time. SubQ is best for small amounts of testosterone.
Are you always going out somewhere when you want to do a video? 😅
I switched from im to subq 1 week ago. And i feel a crash, my libido is down. How long it takes to feel good again? Some people say they have no crash and some say it need a couple weeks to stabilize?
Very informative thank you. In a scenario where subcutaneous body fat was very low, would it have to be a shallow IM injection? Thanks
Yes
Hi, great content.
Will taking my thyroid medication (levothyroxine) and trt be a bad combination?
No, potentially a great combination! All hormones are related, whether that relationship be direct or indirect.
I get a small lump every time. I’m doing 0.2ml in the fat. Takes about a week for it to go away
Same and Bruise with soreness
That's common with any injection in that area it seems, my nad+ and peptides all leave small lumps.
Do all your guys do their subq in the belly fat? I’ve been doing mine in the top upper thigh fat or the fat pad on the top of my glute where I used to do my deep IM. I know there are more capillaries in the belly fat so absorption should be a little quicker I’m assuming. Once you reach a steady state though does it really matter what fat you inject into? Thanks a lot for the update. You’ve answered a lot of my questions. Very appreciative.
DL Indo join TRT in the UK 👍
Dr. Robert Stevens Is that a Facebook group?
DL Indo Yes
Hey Dr. im looking for arguments for my endo to give me injections instead of gel, Thanks!
@marcusberry change your Doc
Hi doc, would you get that dip on switching from gel to subcut like with IM to subcut? I’m about to do that
Do you live in your car Doc?
Yes, times are hard 🤪🤪🤪
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Hi doc. What type / size of needle is required for belly fat sub q jab ??
I use 30g slin pins and it’s been great! PAinless and no scar tissue whatsoever!
Have you watched the recent video from trt and hormone optimization. Some guy on there saying subq doesn’t give optimal results. Doesn’t site any studies or any blood work to back up his claims. Just says that an oil based drug should not be injected into subcutaneous tissue, because of the lack of blood supply for the most part. He gave other reasons, but it all seemed a bit speculatory too me. He also said you get less of a peak from subq which I would think is a good thing. Steady state is what we want. Right? It shouldn’t be about numbers, but about how we feel.
DL Indo I have over 600 patients who would disagree. I consider that FB group and channel irrelevant.
Dr. Robert Stevens I would have to agree. Very arrogant and closed minded over there. If you question their methods you are attacked. Goes to show you what a higher than optimal levels of testosterone levels does to a person. Clouds your judgement and reasoning. Thanks.
You’re probably referring to Gil T who claims to be a doctor but he’s not. He’s a male swimsuit competitor. He owns a trt clinic but isn’t a doctor but he does claim to be one. He’s basically just a male nurse aka trt coach. He’s a complete idiot and argues with everyone who doesn’t agree with him. He has his way and everyone else is wrong. He says 3 days a week of 50 mg per injection shallow I’m is the only way that works period. lol. That group is a bunch of morons. The change there views and flip flop more than a hooker changes her panties. lol.
What hormone combination of hormones have you seen work well with lean bodied paraplegic males? Thank youvin advance sir.
Very good Topic Doc👍🏋️♂️🍀
I take Test cypionate. 200ml a week. Would it be wise to take Test E 125ml IM a few days later. Would this cause complications?
You should always follow the advice of your prescribing clinician who is responsible for your care.
Hey Doctor Robert,
Is it the same IM testosterone cypionate injection .. could be used as subcutaneus injection????
L. William Testosterone Cypionate can be used both I/M and S/C, but don’t chop and change.
@@themenshealthclinic thank you so much
You"re making sense! However, I've been told that it's a waste to administer Test/Cyp subcutaneously.
Sha over 600+ patients would wholeheartedly disagree 😎
What size dose & frequency do you recommend?
GottaGetMe6 Thanks for the input!
Hi Doc. testosterone propionate can be pinned sq? Thanks
can you review how you have patients inject HCG?
Mine has just come in at 12.4 3.44
Hi, is it true that HGC grows your testicles and penis? Serious question.
how to come off subq trt?
Balance Baby
Subq gluteal is best