Cuidado con esta Cantata ... no podras oirla solo una vez . Posiblemente sea una de las 3 mejores Cantatas de todos los tiempos . Kuhnau FOR EVER !!! 😍
I find this music to be delightful. Wikipedia says that the majority of Kuhnau's output has been lost. It also tells me that Kuhnau was succeeded at Thomaskantor by Johann Sebastian Bach. I imagine that the bulk of Kuhnau's music, or copies of it, was in his possession when he died. Is it possible that Bach might be the reason that so much of his predecessor's music is missing?
@Deborah I ponder to wonder also what this "Leipzig Town Council" did with his manuscripts(Bach's too)....put in a 'vault' of some kind? Actually "destroy" them to keep them from Bach? Bach had strained relations with this Council, were they "hiding' something from him? Did WW2 bombings destroy many works or some archived in libraries or elsewhere? I ponder also, if Telemann suffered a similiar fate, yet more than a few of his works he subscribed to other ensembles?.....jn
Bach chose to not acquire the music of kuhnau for The Thomas Church. He wanted to use his own compositions. There is no ulterior motive here. It was expected that Bach would compose new music and not use previous music. Also the music of kuhnau would be out of fashion as was Bach’s when he passed on. Take for example the music of graupner. His entire work is intact because it was tied up in court for years and when settled it was no longer in fashion and remained stored. It is still being cataloged and has not even all been recorded after centuries. There was a time when manuscripts of Bach and others were collected and traded like baseball cards. So, Bach is NOT responsible for the demise of the manuscripts of kuhnau.
I'm so sorry I enter too late. But if there is one who could be claimed as guilty is Bach himself. What Bach did with Schelle complete opera omnia is a shameless action. I understand that if you have traumatic experiences because your prior employer was more of the taste of heard antique music and he was also who took you to jail for being so offensive just because you were of different criteria about what kind of choices your employer has his rights (let's remember that Bach accepted a post/job and if his employer at that time didn't accepted his dismiss, he must kept in the job until its end); that kind of experiences don't give you the right to be a complete jerk for start to destroy the work of other people. For when Bach gets the Kantor post, in Leipzig, Johann Schelle's music still was a great success. The kind of excuses Bach applied were the manuscripts were very wore to the point they were non readable and that the giusto was changing to the point that people considered those works out of fashion... In other words, Bach composed for the fashion, not in soli Deo gratia. With those premises, Bach sent out the window the complete output of Schelle. What today survives from the only one Orpheus who has tamed people like bees comes from other places. It's a shame that Bach were so selective to this point, because he had in his personal library works from different Italian composers, but not composers of great prominence like Monteverdi, Rosenmüller, Gabrielli brothers, A. Scarlatti (which religious music outlast even Bach) and so; composers who took with rigor the sense of what music must be and also were very innovative. Even the great Biber who is pioneer in the violin composition and ahead of his (both Biber and Bach) time composer in general is absent in Bach library. So, the modern giusto Bach tries to speak is apparently a more like personalized giusto than audience one...
Dear @CarolusGustavusRex, after being one of yours channel's privileged subscriber for a long time, may I beg you if you can re upload the awesome, thrilling, marvelous, unique, 501 adjectives later that describe my delight... Cantata Also hat Gott die Welt geliebt from Johann Schelle, please? I understand Naxos has their right to defend their copyrights, but in this case, this wonderful cantata is my beloved one. Right now, it's impossible to find as audio CD and I want and need to heal my soul with this angelical creation! :)
Material that has previously been taken down from youtube due to copyright issues is higly toxic in the sense that it could jeopardize every other video on this channel if a copyright strike is filed. If you send me a message with your email I can help you nonetheless...
Graupner also was held back by authorities in Darmstadt from going to Leipzig...even sent a letter to Leipzig people..recommending J S. Bach for the cantorship! Jn
Typical of human history, Bach didn’t attain his celebrity status in Leipzig until long after his death in 1750. He began life in the metropolitan trade city as cantor of St. Thomas Church and director of church music. The position was originally supposed to go to Georg Philipp Telemann, who, unlike Bach, was a famous composer....In 1722 Johann Kunau, a cantor, died at Thomasschule in Leipzig. In 1722, JSBah (Chaplain-master at the court in Keten) applied for the Qatari place in Leipzig and was not shortlisted by 6 candidates, with already proven musical sizes: Teleman, Fash (whose works JS Bah transcribed with his own hand), Graupner … In order to prevent the “setting up of competition”, two commissions were made by the selection committee: the commissioning officer and the commissioning officer. Only those musicians who were chaplains, cantors, or organists in one of the many cities in Germany could choose. Only when Teleman quit because the city government of Hanburg did not want to lose the music icon (so they increased his salary - and did not want to terminate his contract), and for similar reasons, they quit Fash (Chapel Makstor in Serbisht near Desau near Berlin) , Graupner ... the two commissions also took into consideration the JS organ Baha. In order not to fail (because new cantatas should be performed every week in 4 churches), the commissions agreed to receive this "mediocre musician", Johan Sebastian Bach.
You write a lot of right things, but your many mistakes (Kunau, Bah, Fash, Teleman, Hanburg, Desau instead of Kuhnau, Bach, Fasch, Telemann, Hamburg, Dessau...) make reading a torture. Please concentrate more. - Thank you, another music friend.
@@dieterpeszat I pray your pardon in advance for any mistake. To try to write in a second, third, fourth, ..., language is difficult for an almost blind person. "¡mis lentes! ¡Mis lentes!" -Alférez Kururu.
@@eternafuentedeluzdivina3189 You know this from Stefan Stamenic? - I found recent comments from him practically error-free. - I don't know many foreign languages, I use a translation program, so they don't always write down exactly what I mean.- But if you write Bah, you can also write Bach, or Dessau instead of Desau. In spite of restrictions, or not? - But thanks anyway for your advocacy for more tolerance. I know I can be very hard sometimes. - - - All the best!
@@dieterpeszat advocacy for more tolerance? O_o I was just trying to ask for "free" in-advance-pardons-tickets... If they can be used until their expiration date. I don't use translation tools. I dictate to my devices and they do their best trying to figuring what I say! LOL
Cuidado con esta Cantata ... no podras oirla solo una vez .
Posiblemente sea una de las 3 mejores Cantatas de todos los tiempos .
Kuhnau FOR EVER !!! 😍
Oh,wunderbarer Kuhnau ! Herzenstrost----Herzenslabe--Herzenslust---wisch mir die Tränen von den Wangen ab- Gott segne die Leipziger Kamerata!... 🙂
Danke schön! Ich kannte diesen Komponisten nicht mehr.
Ausgezeichnet! Ich singe gerne mit!! Vielen Dank!
Interesting complex and inspired.
I find this music to be delightful. Wikipedia says that the majority of Kuhnau's output has been lost. It also tells me that Kuhnau was succeeded at Thomaskantor by Johann Sebastian Bach. I imagine that the bulk of Kuhnau's music, or copies of it, was in his possession when he died. Is it possible that Bach might be the reason that so much of his predecessor's music is missing?
@Deborah I ponder to wonder also what this "Leipzig Town Council" did with his manuscripts(Bach's too)....put in a 'vault' of some kind? Actually "destroy" them to keep them from Bach? Bach had strained relations with this Council, were they "hiding' something from him? Did WW2 bombings destroy many works or some archived in libraries or elsewhere? I ponder also, if Telemann suffered a similiar fate, yet more than a few of his works he subscribed to other ensembles?.....jn
Bach chose to not acquire the music of kuhnau for The Thomas Church. He wanted to use his own compositions. There is no ulterior motive here. It was expected that Bach would compose new music and not use previous music. Also the music of kuhnau would be out of fashion as was Bach’s when he passed on. Take for example the music of graupner. His entire work is intact because it was tied up in court for years and when settled it was no longer in fashion and remained stored. It is still being cataloged and has not even all been recorded after centuries. There was a time when manuscripts of Bach and others were collected and traded like baseball cards. So, Bach is NOT responsible for the demise of the manuscripts of kuhnau.
@@32251 Thanks 'a million' for clarifying this issue for me, seems u did proper 'research' more than I ever did.....jn
I'm so sorry I enter too late. But if there is one who could be claimed as guilty is Bach himself. What Bach did with Schelle complete opera omnia is a shameless action. I understand that if you have traumatic experiences because your prior employer was more of the taste of heard antique music and he was also who took you to jail for being so offensive just because you were of different criteria about what kind of choices your employer has his rights (let's remember that Bach accepted a post/job and if his employer at that time didn't accepted his dismiss, he must kept in the job until its end); that kind of experiences don't give you the right to be a complete jerk for start to destroy the work of other people.
For when Bach gets the Kantor post, in Leipzig, Johann Schelle's music still was a great success. The kind of excuses Bach applied were the manuscripts were very wore to the point they were non readable and that the giusto was changing to the point that people considered those works out of fashion... In other words, Bach composed for the fashion, not in soli Deo gratia. With those premises, Bach sent out the window the complete output of Schelle. What today survives from the only one Orpheus who has tamed people like bees comes from other places.
It's a shame that Bach were so selective to this point, because he had in his personal library works from different Italian composers, but not composers of great prominence like Monteverdi, Rosenmüller, Gabrielli brothers, A. Scarlatti (which religious music outlast even Bach) and so; composers who took with rigor the sense of what music must be and also were very innovative. Even the great Biber who is pioneer in the violin composition and ahead of his (both Biber and Bach) time composer in general is absent in Bach library. So, the modern giusto Bach tries to speak is apparently a more like personalized giusto than audience one...
What the heck are you talking about?
Dear @CarolusGustavusRex, after being one of yours channel's privileged subscriber for a long time, may I beg you if you can re upload the awesome, thrilling, marvelous, unique, 501 adjectives later that describe my delight... Cantata Also hat Gott die Welt geliebt from Johann Schelle, please? I understand Naxos has their right to defend their copyrights, but in this case, this wonderful cantata is my beloved one. Right now, it's impossible to find as audio CD and I want and need to heal my soul with this angelical creation! :)
Material that has previously been taken down from youtube due to copyright issues is higly toxic in the sense that it could jeopardize every other video on this channel if a copyright strike is filed. If you send me a message with your email I can help you nonetheless...
May I send you my e-mail too?
Graupner also was held back by authorities in Darmstadt from going to Leipzig...even sent a letter to Leipzig people..recommending J
S. Bach for the cantorship! Jn
Typical of human history, Bach didn’t attain his celebrity status in Leipzig until long after his death in 1750. He began life in the metropolitan trade city as cantor of St. Thomas Church and director of church music. The position was originally supposed to go to Georg Philipp Telemann, who, unlike Bach, was a famous composer....In 1722 Johann Kunau, a cantor, died at Thomasschule in Leipzig. In 1722, JSBah (Chaplain-master at the court in Keten) applied for the Qatari place in Leipzig and was not shortlisted by 6 candidates, with already proven musical sizes: Teleman, Fash (whose works JS Bah transcribed with his own hand), Graupner … In order to prevent the “setting up of competition”, two commissions were made by the selection committee: the commissioning officer and the commissioning officer. Only those musicians who were chaplains, cantors, or organists in one of the many cities in Germany could choose. Only when Teleman quit because the city government of Hanburg did not want to lose the music icon (so they increased his salary - and did not want to terminate his contract), and for similar reasons, they quit Fash (Chapel Makstor in Serbisht near Desau near Berlin) , Graupner ... the two commissions also took into consideration the JS organ Baha. In order not to fail (because new cantatas should be performed every week in 4 churches), the commissions agreed to receive this "mediocre musician", Johan Sebastian Bach.
You write a lot of right things, but your many mistakes (Kunau, Bah, Fash, Teleman, Hanburg, Desau instead of Kuhnau, Bach, Fasch, Telemann, Hamburg, Dessau...) make reading a torture. Please concentrate more. - Thank you, another music friend.
@@dieterpeszat I pray your pardon in advance for any mistake. To try to write in a second, third, fourth, ..., language is difficult for an almost blind person. "¡mis lentes! ¡Mis lentes!" -Alférez Kururu.
@@eternafuentedeluzdivina3189 You know this from Stefan Stamenic? - I found recent comments from him practically error-free. - I don't know many foreign languages, I use a translation program, so they don't always write down exactly what I mean.- But if you write Bah, you can also write Bach, or Dessau instead of Desau. In spite of restrictions, or not? - But thanks anyway for your advocacy for more tolerance. I know I can be very hard sometimes. - - - All the best!
@@dieterpeszat advocacy for more tolerance? O_o I was just trying to ask for "free" in-advance-pardons-tickets... If they can be used until their expiration date.
I don't use translation tools. I dictate to my devices and they do their best trying to figuring what I say! LOL
@@dieterpeszat and/und instead/anstatt Keten= Köthen