Let's Settle This Rule Debate NOW!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.พ. 2025
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You go from showing a legitimate pass from a running passer in open field to talking about a forward pass from the ruck (where dummy is not moving forward). Calling forward pass from the ruck might slow the game down, but a forward pass is a forward pass. Where the passer and receiver are close to each other and game is moving fast I think many refs, myself included, would give some benefit of the doubt to the attacking team. But if receiver is obviously in front of half, time to blow the whistle.
I’m not denying a forward pass is a forward pass. The point of showing a forward pass from the ruck is the fact that no referees are in line which makes them guess from a poor angle. Where I am from the referees seem to be leaning towards blowing the penalty when in doubt rather than as you say showing advantage to the attacking team
Yeh much easier to assess if the half is stationary, you would expect the receiver to catch the ball in line or behind the half.
I’d expect refs in most leagues to balance game flow with advantage gained, but I think they should still pull up sloppy timing.
@@nickmortimer4831 this was more just pointing out the rise of forward pass penalties in recent years and majority coming from ruck passes. The forward pass in general has become a huge thing since footage was readily accessible
Great video but...
A) perhaps your example was midfield stuff but more me the extra step forward advantage you get on the 7 metre ruck forward pass can be the difference between scoring and getting shut down. Its crucial
B) rucks are not a good example, especially if the passer is either stationary or barely moves forward. Its a pretty simple call for me if the ball carrier recieves the ball in front of the ruck 99% its forward.
C) your mate Dave, good mate that he is giving touch a chance, will think the game is less legit if he is a rugby or league guy and sees forward passes are allowed
4) this is just another example of teams pushing the rule limits and eventually breaking them. For the game to prosper every once in awhile u need remind teams of the rules
5) i play in an area where we are growing touch and theres only 1 team who trains. They do this the most because this has become the norm.
Love your videos!
@@canadiancontent352 the ruck pass was just an example of how strict the forward pass is getting and I think it’s due to the scrutiny referees now face from having so many games online
In England we really concentrate on the forward passes around the 7m line off the ruck as that’s the really important area where an advantage would be huge and the sideline refs have a good view ( a lot were picked up in the World Cup). In the midfield because we are looking after the defending team making sure they are back on side they are more difficult to spot so tends to be the really obvious ones that get penalised but there’s not big advantage in that area.
And yes we have to keep explaining to players it’s if the ball comes out of the hands backwards!
Hope you are well Tom?
Obvious ones are good to get and they stick out. But I think the general rule of thumb can be if in doubt play on
The solution is the sideline ref calls out forward passes to the centre ref. And players stop throwing it forward off the ruck.
I love your videos and you have picked a spicy topic today!
The clips you selected are passing at speed. There should be no debate about throwing a ball at speed backward and have the ball travel forward. The clue for me (as referee or player) is to keep running: as long as the ball stays behind me, I consider it is a valid pass. That mitigates the interpretation from scooper running lateraly: make sure your pass stays behind you.
At a rollball, the ball is static so judging the direction of the pass from the ground is pertinent. How to fix it is hard since referee are standing behind the defense. As mentionned, not sure it is worth midfield if not an obvious forward pass: minimum advantage for the attacking team and no benefit for the game speed in general.
But any quickie play and attacking on the 7m line should be strict on forward pass to prevent unfair advantage for the attacking team.
Excellent point about continuing to run!
Refs look at the hands of the passer to assess if a pass is forward or not. Thats an excellent video as proof though.
@@jasonn1210 yeah I show it to everyone
When the passer is running at speed more or less directly towards the opponents try line and it appears the hands were releasing the ball in a backwards motion I will allow that even if the ball floats marginally forward.
However if the attacker is running at say a 45° angle I will call a forward pass if the ball travels forward relative to the try line.
I think we can agree that this will always have some inconsistency in it
It's always been from where the ball is passed to where it lands. Version 8 of the rules tries to make this absolute but referees often get the rule incorrect. Essentially if the pall goes forward for any reason, it's an illegal pass. But we get this garbage interpretation that it can go out of the hands backwards and float forward...
I hate the term it “floated forward”