I'm surprised that no one has said that consumers bear a lot of the responsibility as well. If they're spending $100/ month on $2-5 items of clothing, how bloated are their closets getting? Just stop, and wear what you have.
Consumers bear responsibility, sure. But you also need to consider that those businesses spend billions creating artificial demand via advertising. As a second line, they lobby to reduce education and social safety -> people being dumber and more desperate, so they fill the emotional void with consumerist garbage
It's not about taste. It's about quality. There are lots of rather good (but not original) designs on Shein. Some designs on Shein are quite elegant actually. But garments from Shein always look shabby due to the poor fabric and poor manufacturing. @@MrLifeUnderTheScope
On my channel, when I do videos about fast fashion and why that business model relies on exploiting people, I often get comments saying "Oh I had no idea...", "I didn't know garment workers aren't being paid properly", "I didn't know Shein was producing so much waste and promoting overconsumption". I think most people who live in the comfort of being able to buy new clothes very often look the other way. But the facts are there, and fast fashion is pushing the entire fashion industry in an extremely unhealthy direction... Consumers definitely have a role to play: we vote with our wallets.
They/we (consumers) are the biggest problem. But how can we be conscious of something we don’t see. I wonder if the problem is ideological/philosophical or deep-rooted in our nature to not care as long as it doesn’t affect our person.
I too, were a Shein customer once upon a time. But the second I learned it's dark side, Shein is no longer a thing for me. Unfortunately, my friend, knowing or not knowing this, still buys from Shein... I think I've mentioned this to her long time go, but apparently Shein attracts shallow minded people that never put themselves in the shoes of others.
One point that Peter Pernot-Day and WSJ forgot to highlight is how Shein steals designs from small-scale designers on the internet. Infact, that seems to be their key to coming up with so many designs in such a short span of time. Sad one from WSJ. Disappointed that they are giving such companies platforms and legitimacy. Also, no mention of the court-cases against Shein? Btw, Shein's online marketing is extremely invasive, at least in Asia. If you ever browsed Shein website on your phone, you'll be plagued with their ads in every other non-Shein website that you visit! Showing you the same clothes, which you had been looking at, in those ads on other websites. I won't be surprised, if in future, Shein is also found to be selling customer data to third parties... just like Temu.
Their quality is horrible, but they're great at making trendy designs. They're going to stay in business because no other company is giving you the latest fashion trends at a reasonable price with decent quality. People are always going to buy a cheap new outfit for an IG pic
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@@amandaamanda5398 You know that the problem is that you can't sue them cuz China protects all theft, right? Stealing and copying is normal for Chinese brands/companies. "Big brands steal from small brands and other big Brands too" is a crime outside of China. Legal route is an option and used in such cases.
If anyone feels bad about buying from them, consider that many of the retailers you buy from probably have the same supply chain but you feel safer giving them your money at a higher price so they get rich off the mark up.
@@fleetwoodmak777 IKR these consumers aren't babies. The role they are playing can never be reversed. It is ok to order 2-3 items, but how are people ordering box loads of clothes??
Lets be honest. This wouldn't be news if Shein weren't a Chinese company. From a business point of view, they just outcompeted the others. H&M, Old Navy, Zara, and plenty of others have bad quality clothes, and they're most likely made from low-wage and child-labor countries as well.
What you are saying is false. There has been decades of media reporting against the horrible labor practices and exploitation from top western fashion brands manufacturing in the global south.
I’m getting the ick by hearing them talk about their “small batch system” to “reduce” inventory waste. They are producing insane amount of clothing that they know is made to be disposable, & waste can’t be reduced by feeding into micro trends.
It's that or they pour hundreds of amounts of things into a single design that will be fazed out... the only reason why they bring it up as being "not that good" is because fashion users don't actually wear the clothes because that's the nature of the industry... It does actually reduce inventory waste, since you don't have as much left over, sitting and rotting.
I think it is insane how people who don't necessarily need fast fashion just buy from such brands simply because they are more affordable and cost-efficient. Let's be more aware of the goods that we consume and promote and make sure that we are only buying what we need, and not just what we want, especially if they are on impulse.
So people should be penalised for being poor. Not everyone can use their wallet to support things. 'Simple because they are more affordable and cost-efficient' how is that simple? People struggle to afford the basics and you want to make them feel bad for buying things drastically cheaper? If you dont want these things isnt it up to governments and trade laws to dictate whats allowed and what isnt instead of putting it back on people who cant afford to buy clothes for $30 a piece?
@@dododog5002OP literally stated "people who don't necessarily need fast fashion". So it doesn't apply to the poor. We're talking about people who spend 100 dollars in dozens of cheap clothes in SheIn.
So the poor is to bear in a fast developing country where it’s so competitive that most of the people can never change their income status substantially. The consumers of these brands are mostly teens and young adults, people in their 20s. Im sure you understand at that age the need to put up a good appearance and look trendy and relevant, and they can’t really afford it so they look for cheaper alternatives. You can’t stop your consumers from buying things that are wrong if you’re willing to fund the company and give them a market in your country.
@@dododog5002 Exactly, I'm sure the majority of people would choose to purchase high quality clothing if they had more money. A lot of shops near me sell sweaters for $100 and jeans for $70, so it's no wonder people around me choose to buy a $15 shirt or $25 pants from shein. But also, let's not forget multi millionaires contribute heavily to pollution and waste too with their private jets, thousands of clothing, and thousands of makeup/skincare products that are barely worn.
Here's the thing, if people are going to protest Shein, they better not have an iphone in their pocket. Obviously supporting hyper-consumption is always bad and unethical; however if you have eyes on Shein, you are obligated to have eyes on any other company which profits off of 3rd world labor that you consume. Which Apple certainly does profit off of 3rd world labor with it's lithium production. I'll give you a hint, 99% of companies making billions of dollars did not reach those profit margins without exploitation. Consumers are the enablers, corporations are the exploiters; simple as that.
There are some necessities to live in the world. To have a job, to be safe, you have to have a phone and a computer. Also, you can buy so many second hand devices to reduce waste. Because you have a necessity does not mean you should just say nothing I do matters anymore. That is an all or nothing approach and is absurd. I should just waste extravagantly. You should care about others and the environment and not justify excessive waste and supporting human rights obligations because people also use an iphone.
@@emmalindsey9065 Agreed. The comment you responded to just feels like whattaboutism. I use second-hand electronics out of concern for workers and the environment ... you can care about more than one issue. Shein is still an evil company.
Here’s the other thing: at this point there’s barely any mass produced, affordable product that is ethics compliant. No matter what you buy, there will be an environmental cost, an ethics cost, a moral cost. And right along with it, there will be a group of people protesting it. Which is not wrong but as a consumer it’s exhausting and impossible to live a life where you don’t possess something manufactured by slave labour. Sure, you can educate yourself, but how much will you educate yourself on? There’s only so much a single person can do. Not all consumers are enablers. So if you do what you can to minimise the collateral damage, without compromising severely on your own needs, it’s good enough I say.
The question is not why SHEIN making the price so low; it’s how others can keep the price so high (without facing severe competitions). Eventually all means to squeeze out the last penny will be exploited. Welcome to capitalism! And the Chinese are getting really good at it.
I love how Gen W/X don't REALLY care about climate change. Or at least enough to actually change patterns of behaviour, consumption or pay to stop it... Alas... Enjoy driving your SUX-3000 on the way to the airport to catch your floating diarrhea/covid cruise!
I'd never heard of it until someone from uni mentioned it like last year. I browsed a bit and instantly lost interests in buying anything from it. The pictures and prices looked shady. I'm a conservative shopper who only shops at physical stores, brand's online retails and reliable local shopping sites for brands I'm loyal to. I'd rather pay more for an item made by workers that are decently paid and insured. It breaks my heart to think of those workers who are underpaid, working overtime, at high risk of occupational injuries, exposed to workplace harassment, and under great social pressure. There are reports about some taking their own lives. "involuntary labor" isn't like the employers actually enslave them, but more like they make them work overtime without paying for extra hours; if they don't comply, they get fired. These ppl aren't like experienced IT specialists or financial experts who have pretty resumes and valued skills; they have no option but to work. By no means I'm saying all Chinese manufacturers are like that. There are several companies of Chinese brands that I know provide decent wages and working environment, however, I don't think shein is one of them.
@@IamHandsome4u There are plenty of alternatives between Shein and Prada. For the price of big premium brands like Hilfiger and others, there are brands that manufacture in the western world and meet high environmental and labor standards.
@@huckleberryfinn6578 LOL, who told u that? All are the same, its just that brands like Tommy hilfiger has brand name, thats it, otherwise everything is just the same.
Well, this isn't rocket science: consumers feel entitled to cheap clothing, garbage fast fashion fills the bill. If mid level retailers didn't ALSO embrace fast fashion at higher prices, we might not have sent consumers in that direction. As consumers seem to accept literally 52 seasons as marketers trot out more junk, no wonder they are a powerhouse. Want the big goofy sunglasses? Why pay $400 for designer when you can buy a knockoff. I suggest Justine Leconte's channel for a series of excellent videos addressing fast fashion and the issues surrounding it. With a whole generation shilling this garbage on socials, it's no surprise they are valued so high.
Yeah, it's social media marketing these fast fashion stuff as something must have. I'm lucky I wasn't born in the generation where the young people feel the need to wear fast fashion to be validated. It must be hellish.
I'm unfamiliar with the brand, but the examples cited ($2 t-shirts & $7 pants) remind me of Old Navy: cheap, momentarily fashionable clothes you will not regret pitching in a month.
@@markg0410 well, that's the problem. Pitching them in a month. They are not made with textiles that have enough integrity to even survive long enough to get onto the secondary area of thrifting/donation. so they end up in East Africa and the subsequent landfills. Look into the Atacama desert in Chile as now a landfill site for clothes, even stuff with tags.
bro we all know wearing Brunello Cucinelli is fantastic for the environment, but 99.99% of people either can't afford, or doesn't want to save for a year to buy 1 sweater
@@louistran016 that is a wholesale misconception and the thinking that drives fast fashion. _I_ don't buy a $4k sweater, and I think even saving for a year would not make it interesting enough or affordable. There are brands who work on sustainability and source labor and materials in a responsible way. It takes work and consideration of what you wear and how you wear it. I gladly buy Pringle (used) because it meets a lot of my needs. I think there is a middle ground that can be driven by the consumer, but as we have seen, it has to be consumer driven. Eileen Fisher is in the sustainability game, but her clothing is made simply (cost of construction) and while well sourced, isn't my personal cuppa.
Those who believe Xinjiang lies should be more ashamed. I'm willing to bet most of you haven't even set foot in China. But hey, they are different, so let's hate on them! This kind of attitude is what fuels the Israel/Gaza conflict.
Shein low cost fashion has created a new trend : The Ready to trow away! Among teenagers, women (and men), there is a fashion competition. Because of the low-cost fashion, teenagers are wearing their Shein fashion only a few times. Then they switch to a new design. The out-of-fashion-outfits are piling up on the closet floor until their mother enforced a cleaning-order.
I am speaking based on my own experience. SHEIN offers plus size clothing that is affordable and trendy. It offers so many choices that is very hard to come by in the Southeast Asia region where the clothing size is extremely small. After SHEIN came to picture, there are more stores, physical and online, that offer plus size clothing. However, it is either very expensive (for quality products) or poorly (fashion) designed (in most physical stores). It is a platform that is easy access and caters to the need of various age groups. Plus size I'm mentioning here is referring to clothing size of bigger than size 14 (UK/US size).
Come on that’s just a way to victimize yourself and excuse that you buy slave products because you want to be „fashionable“ be responsible for your choices and don’t lie to yourself.
@@nussnougat5462 It goes without saying that Shein's practices many be questioned. However, they really do look out for the plus-sized girlies. Most stores just wasn't plus-sized women to wear large blankets & cover themselves. Shein creates stylish clothes
I have the same experience in my Eastern European country. I can`t fit into almost any major brands like H&M or Zara, and I`m not rich enough to pay $ 80$ for a blouse made of good fabrics from smaller brands my country has. So yeah, I`ll keep buying from it
@@nussnougat5462I’m guessing you typed that from a phone or computer. So who digs up the minerals needed to create the phone laptop and are they paid fairly for their labor? Are you going to not use your phone/laptop when you find out the answer?
I shop from shein to start getting stuff for the upcoming season for my kids, or cheap clothes for our picture. I buy what I want, from where I want, & what’s within my budget. If someone has a problem with it they can buy my clothes for me.
I think they mentioned it in the video. These intems are not made to last long, are created by likely abusing workers and ignore environmental standards
The durability of the product is irrelevant, its the durability of the fake demand (created by advertising) that is the limiting factor. Buy, wear, discard because its not hot anymore. They would wear out after a dozen uses, but they don't see that many.
@@JCB576 a lot of "western world" is built on abusing, torturing, killing people. And, where was environment talk when the "west" was relatively poor? It seems like naked hypocrisy to me.
It's not actually affordable. They reduce the quality and the shelf life. This causes a pair of pants to last you about 3 months, causing you to buy new ones, or replace the old ones. This keeps you coming back to the site for more "affordable" options. One pair of pants: $13 / 3 months = $52 / year Now, if you were to buy "non-affordable" pants, for something like $80, they hopefully should last you a good couple of years. I have had a pair of pants that I bought for $9/pound that were worth about 80 bucks, and I don't know how many years they had on them before, but they were in good condition. I still have had these pants to this day, and they've lasted me 5 years and counting. I am now happy to buy new clothing from good brands now that I know the numbers. I've just bought a higher-end pair of pants that I literally will wear most days and do everything in. They cost around $60. I've had them for about 3 months showing 0 signs of wear. I could say that these pants will last me a good 5 years at least. This comes out to be $12 / year. When you look at the long run, it actually comes out cheaper to buy good brands. And people have forgotten this.
indeed. I bought my "splurge" box from Shein to try it out and returned most of what was sent with the exception of a couple of pair of jeans. It just feels highly flammable and cheap against the skin. IYKYK
@@lastpreacher9093 Grownups. Like your parents and grandparents, and most adults throughout the entire world, even with means, for the past several centuries.
People that utilize shein mostly care if the clothes are cheap , people care more about having multiple outfits for social media anyways or as they said “retire their clothing options”
SHEIN need to have better communication with customers they don’t have a problem with taking your order and MONEY but they don’t respond to giving you refund or try to contact you they want to charge you$1 to talk to someone inquiring about a refund I still haven’t recieved my refund yet and that was in Oct. I won’t order anything else until they rectify that.
here in brazil it's quite difficult to find someone from gen z who has never ordered from shein, i myself am waiting for an order and planning my next one, "national" fast fashion is expensive here, it's not hard to find a simple cotton t-shirt costing 100 reais (our currency) and the quality is mid still
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I have been using Shein for years now. Quality of clothes is not brilliant mainly due to very cheap material they use, but they have designs (at an affordable price too) which I can't find anywhere in UK. I usually only buy clothes that I need. What I like the most about Shein is they sell a lot of creative and useful household items which (again!) I can't find in any local shops.
The household stuff on there is actually wayy better than some from big stores we have in the uk too. For that price, I would say that it is really well done. Clothing is different, but I feel hair accessories, phone cases, homestuff, and basically anything other than clothing and electronics, I really like one shein. Tbh, the quality of clothes on shein isn't very different from something you would find in primark or h and m, or even zara. Honestly, i would choose shein for the affordability and style too.
I mean I think there’s levels to this. As long as you’re not literally buying SHEIN clothes like every month and spending 500$ on it or doing 100$ hauls every week you’re fine. I still have SHEIN stuff that is like over a year old cause I can’t even afford to drop that much money on clothes. I’ve even bought used SHEIN clothes from the thrift store which seems to be older SHEIN products which were probably better in quality.
I do get your point. I buy from SHEIN sometimes is totally fine, they doing this bad propaganda of SHEIN just to try sabotage them, hm, Zara, PLT, fashion nova, primark are just trash as SHEIN, but for “some reason” everything coming from China have to be bad I mean exclusively bad.
I never buy from Shein. The clothes end up at Salvation Army because they don't fit properly and you can't return once worn. If i can't try it on, im not buying. Im all about the environment so thrifting is the only way i shop.
The actual reason behind their low costs is the absence of a “western” entity in the value added chain, which is a very heavy overhead burden with no meaningful and tangible contribution to product. The products of western brands have heavy costs built into them of administrative overheads that provide little actual value.
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Well, I feel it isn't neccessarily bad, if someone shops from shein, but only buys little, and wears the clothing for many wears. In my opinion, fast fashion is only fast if you make it to be. But the treatment of workers is terrible, so that's a point against fast fashion.
i remember shopping on shein back in 2018/2019 when it wasnt as big as is it today, I didnt really know what to expect as I had just found the website and never heard anyone talk about it before. Their selection did have a lot of variety and the prices seemed almost too good to be true. I was right, the quality was absolutely terrible when the clothes came in. Never ordered from there again and it surprises me how popular it has become these past couple years.
Before they expanded into North America and Europe, the quality was wayyyyyy better. I have down jackets from 8 years ago that never lose feathers and have more cells per area than the recent down jacket I bought. I hate that it’s so hard to find good quality for reasonable prices now.
Yea I was about to comment that I’ve bought from Zara & h& m & the first wash they start looking loose & ugly I’ve bought some stuff from SHEIN & I’ve washed a couple times & they are alright maybe some stuff is a hit or miss idk 🤷🏻♀️
I stopped buyinng most things in 2012 and use what i have. I wasnt super spend crazy because our parents told us to save and invest for the future. I dont buy luxury things because our parents taught us the value of money. I have a bs in marketing so i know how the game works.
its the model every company uses to be "capitalistic", unfair in what sense, moving manufacturing abroad is as amaerican as a hot dog and a ballgame. unfair to hurt americans in taking jobs away no?
All of these companies including American, European, Canadian corporations use the slave labour. Even the so called organizational NGOs they use to check if there's child labor or slavery have vested interest to look the other way.
All it took was 2 seconds of mentioning “involuntary labor” without presenting a single piece of evidence, and you already believe that it’s 100% true?
Heard from shein’s suppliers that SHEIN abuses their suppliers in forcing them to offer the lowest price possible. Because competition in the Chinese market is harsh, the suppliers have no other choice but to do as SHEIN requested to stay in business. 😢 cheaper goods= poorer quality= more waste, SHEIN is like another term for fast fashion
Are they not just a reseller? If you screen cap any items from shein you can buy the exact same item from taobao for even cheaper... I always just assumed they're a reseller that takes taobao stuff and sells it at a premium to the western world... kinda like aliexpress but run as a company...
i’ve ordered stuff from there before, it smelled like a factory and burnt rubber. there was only 2 things in the 10 item order that smelled but by the time it got to me everything else smelled like it too. i will never order from them again and learned my lesson. it’s not a great business model for long term success, people won’t buy from you again when your blue shirt stains their entire load of laundry blue (happened to a friend)
People do not realized that Chinese manufacture will send out their production to North Korea where wages are much lower than China. Chinese manufacture will make sure their factory functions meet the brand standards. When people visit these Chinese factory they may appear to be meeting whatever guideline that the brand require, what they do not know is that 90% is sent to North Korea
As some has mentioned, it does mean other brands like F21 HM zara etc are any different if scrutinising is necessary. Let me which company is 100% perfect and clean? As consumers we are all well-awared how price are inflated due to multiple layers of sellers, it is not necessary pricey means greater quality. I see nothing wrong with Shein selling at affordable price just because it's almost due to direct selling prices. So must a company selling at unreasonable prices then equate to social responsibility? There are many ways to do that. Shein can consider another department function to collect unwanted apparel and send to 3rd world country as a whole. It's a win-win if it can make every or many people feeling confident and happy. Speaking of increased wastage, how many complaining individuals are the ones actively reducing or eliminating food packaging wastage by using their own lunchboxes and turn-off their lights when aren't using and their aircon maintained at 25-degrees? If you or these people can't even do something so marginal that's within their reach, then don't go around acting noble complaining about fashion waste 🙄
We're not telling SheIn should charge more just so they can be socially responsible. We're telling SheIn to give the minimal wage to their employees, which costs more, which in turn would raise prices. Are you dense?
Not justifying anything but so true. It pisses me off so much when people talks and preaches how they are great to the environment lalallaala and dont even put recyclables into the recycle bin when it’s right next to the general wastebin or use reusable cups for their 5 daily coffees- i see this ALL the time and yet those peeps are the ones who makes great noises of how other people/other countries are bad to the planet rarara
I just realized half of my travel wardrobe is Shein, and I've worn these clothes A LOT for years. For some reason I haven't even had to patch up any holes like what's usually required of other clothes
I've stopped shopping there a long time ago. What shows up is never like in the pictures, quality is so bad it's not wearable at all. They look horrible too. I started shopping at my local secondhand clothing stores. Also started saving up if there's something really special that I want, like a good quality blazer or a trench coat etc. No more buying these cheap nasty rags.
I don't feel personally guilty about buying shein. I buy them twice a year, each pack worth $150-$240. But I make sure I like it and use it. My closet gets sorted out each year and I donate unused ones to people that can't buy.
all the morals and personal feelings about the company aside, how theyre using ai and data to optimize clothing manufacturing and designs is very impressive and inspiring
When this report said shein is moving its headquarter from China to Singapore, did anyone realized how ridiculous the cost of operation jumped? Singapore has one of the highest real estate country, it's a tiny island focuses on finace and logistics. China labour is not cheap anymore, young educated people don't want to work in factory! I recently bought a pair of well made Wrangler semi dressy work pants made in Kenya! 6 pockets cargo dressy pants with stretchy fabric for $29.99. i use it for work and it'll be my favorite travel pants to keep my boarding pass, tickets etc. I was perfect for horse riding on the Rainbow mountain, Peru, elevation 17,600 feet
Shein is the savior of the working class. With inflation so high, who is going to bring prices down. Only the elites can afford European luxury: the rest of us have to make do with Shein or Temu.
If shein only do as producer, sells fashions to brands such as HM, Forever 21 etc with the low price but brands sell at high prices, it may not attract attentions widely. No matter China provides expensive or cheap products, China has mistake 😄
Whenever a Chinese company is taking over the market and loved by the consumers, US will find reasons to turn them down. SHEIN and TEMU has done so much for the consumers especially when the inflation is so high and that people cant even afford groceries.... rather than criticizing these amazing companies that the US cant compete with maybe they should start thinking about how to lower inflation so people can actually afford living.
I haven’t finished the video does it mention if they spray their clothes with toxic chemicals? I know luxury brands do that as well but many keep that in mind.
How nice “ they plan to spend $150m in the next three years” to gain a better business model. They know what they’re doing, if they actually cared, they would’ve started the business that way.
I am just watching this video now and I already know what you are referring to and I feel the exact same I’ve been thinking about it since it was released and I have been thinking should I just treat myself for Christmas *amzclothes*
What company doesn't pay attention to conversions and don't monitor your data? I'm an eCommerce seller myself, and even all small stores pay meticulous attention to data and analyze it. That's the standard these days.
I see this as a success. We have low-cost, hugely abundant clothing in whatever design is trendy. The technology avoids huge amounts of waste that other fast-fashion retailers generate with excess inventory. The industry is creating what people want. As for the questionable labour practices, this is China's issue. We're not responsible for whatever the regime does there. The culture is very very different and it's easy to criticise without understanding the whole picture of people's options, and what is normal in that part of the world.
Shein's quality honestly is not bad. Bought a couple of nice crewneck sweaters from there and they are nice quality and comfortable. Bought them last year, and still wear them. Shein also allowed me to change some of my fashion sense for the better since I was able to experiment at a lower cost. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure some of their products are cheap quality since they literally sell everything. Shoes, bracelets etc. But most of this video seems like a hit piece on a company that makes affordable and stylish clothes for people. In the country I am in, I would need to pay $60-100 for the product but for the same product and basically same quality. I pay $20-30 on Shein. I save nearly more than 50%, so why should I cut? Before Shein I nearly never bought clothes.
I thought it was cute when they discussed how they acquire designs when I have friends who had their designs stolen just months after they released the concepts
Shein, they are many buyers, they get products from my factory. for example, i sell unit price 1 usd to them , they sell products on shein for 8 - 10 us dollars.There is a big gap, the profit is very high.
Shein is a clothing company that knows how to use big data. That's it. It sells to everyone and its trend is everything. Unlike other fashion brands, it doesn't set the trend. It just follows every trend the moment they become a reality. It knows what to sell quickly and also how to sell them quickly, it has cheap labor, cheap materials, and low taxes. It is Amazon that focuses entirely on clothing. In fact, if it can expand it's model to other products, it might as well be one of the largest companies in the world.
It's a mixed bag. T-shirts from shein can be super cute and affordable, but they get destroyed in the wash after only wearing it a handful of times. It's not really value for money if a t shirt doesn't last. But then on the other hand there's a few things that are really nice and I get complimented on and look like much more expensive. Over consumption of anything is bad, clothing, shoes, homewares, whatever.
Thanks for the video! One thing this video glosses over is the TERRIBLE quality of Shein clothing. Oftentimes the clothing is practically see-through and will fall apart after a few washes. So, their business model encourages buying clohting, using it a few times, then throwing it away because the quality is so bad.
I was introduced to Shien by my 15 yr old niece she is a young fashionista. She loves their clothes and buys them often. I’m happy that she has a place she can afford to purchase what she likes at prices she can afford. Many of the labels in my closet says made in China. American has allowed big companies to do this for years, I mean decades. The problem is there isn’t an American company making money from it. It’s from China to the consumer…
No, the problem is that we think we need new clothes several times a year. You shouldn’t be happy about your niece buying from shein. Fast fashion is so harmful to the environment and the workers sewing those clothes.
@@wiebkke What she is saying is many companies have been doing this without fail. However, they made sure the U.S gets their cut. Shein doesn't share profits with the U.S, that's why there is a big hoo-haa
I placed one order with Shein and kind of regretted it. Bought a good amount of clothes and I would say 90% of them were pretty poorly made or cheap fabric. It really isn't worth it if the clothes won't last more than a couple weeks.
i hope shein starts selling houses soon
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You want them to make houses?!?! lol that mess will be made out of playdough and will blow away in any gust of wind
what, houses made from cardboard ?
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"Involuntary labor in their supply chain" is the wildest way to gloss over slavery 🤦♂️
oh yeah they went over that super quick !
This is what Western media is like! funny!
This is what Western media is like! funny!
slavery - glad I have not and now will never purchase from Shein
This is y I m allergic to them
I'm surprised that no one has said that consumers bear a lot of the responsibility as well. If they're spending $100/ month on $2-5 items of clothing, how bloated are their closets getting? Just stop, and wear what you have.
Tell that to my wife.
Stop all war!
Consumers bear responsibility, sure.
But you also need to consider that those businesses spend billions creating artificial demand via advertising.
As a second line, they lobby to reduce education and social safety -> people being dumber and more desperate, so they fill the emotional void with consumerist garbage
Time to automate with robot
It's not about taste. It's about quality. There are lots of rather good (but not original) designs on Shein. Some designs on Shein are quite elegant actually. But garments from Shein always look shabby due to the poor fabric and poor manufacturing. @@MrLifeUnderTheScope
“Involuntary labor” is a really interesting way to say slaves
Right?!?!? Why are they sugar coating human rights violations???
Most western media does gloss over it because they run / feature ads for the companies that are complicit. @@edgarallen5384
Slave like conditions exist in the US as well
@@edwinvargas7969 no one said that they don’t.
They’re sugar coating it because they have no evidence of it.
On my channel, when I do videos about fast fashion and why that business model relies on exploiting people, I often get comments saying "Oh I had no idea...", "I didn't know garment workers aren't being paid properly", "I didn't know Shein was producing so much waste and promoting overconsumption". I think most people who live in the comfort of being able to buy new clothes very often look the other way. But the facts are there, and fast fashion is pushing the entire fashion industry in an extremely unhealthy direction... Consumers definitely have a role to play: we vote with our wallets.
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I LOVE your channel Justine!!!
They/we (consumers) are the biggest problem.
But how can we be conscious of something we don’t see.
I wonder if the problem is ideological/philosophical or deep-rooted in our nature to not care as long as it doesn’t affect our person.
I too, were a Shein customer once upon a time. But the second I learned it's dark side, Shein is no longer a thing for me. Unfortunately, my friend, knowing or not knowing this, still buys from Shein... I think I've mentioned this to her long time go, but apparently Shein attracts shallow minded people that never put themselves in the shoes of others.
Yes: and I won't buy western trash.
One point that Peter Pernot-Day and WSJ forgot to highlight is how Shein steals designs from small-scale designers on the internet. Infact, that seems to be their key to coming up with so many designs in such a short span of time. Sad one from WSJ. Disappointed that they are giving such companies platforms and legitimacy. Also, no mention of the court-cases against Shein?
Btw, Shein's online marketing is extremely invasive, at least in Asia. If you ever browsed Shein website on your phone, you'll be plagued with their ads in every other non-Shein website that you visit! Showing you the same clothes, which you had been looking at, in those ads on other websites. I won't be surprised, if in future, Shein is also found to be selling customer data to third parties... just like Temu.
It's a chinese originated company, what else you expect..!
THIS. They are notorious for stealing designs.
So, How about ZARA, H&M, Forever 21?
@@kshitijoberoi1928 ah yeh sure because Facebook or Google definetely do not use your data for any advertising.
Are they not supposed to hop on trends? It's not "Stealing", it's them using a possible trend, brother.
Their quality is horrible, but they're great at making trendy designs. They're going to stay in business because no other company is giving you the latest fashion trends at a reasonable price with decent quality. People are always going to buy a cheap new outfit for an IG pic
"Quality: horrible, but decent." Out of the consumer's mouth...
Their quality is horrible because you are paying $20 for a pair of pants.
@@xandercorp6175 no I said shein is horrible quality and no competitor is giving decent quality with similar trendy designs
@@Subaru2_1 those laborers are Chinese slaves 😂
@@The_Quaalude we have not had evidence yet, should be objective about everything.
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Another fact is that they are accused of straight out stealing other small brand designers, not some fancy data analysis as mentioned in the video.
Big brands steal from small brands and other big brands too.
@@amandaamanda5398 You know that the problem is that you can't sue them cuz China protects all theft, right? Stealing and copying is normal for Chinese brands/companies. "Big brands steal from small brands and other big Brands too" is a crime outside of China. Legal route is an option and used in such cases.
Welcome to the real world.
Shein is really not the only company who does this. Zara literally got big because they sell cheap copies of expensive brands 😅
@@amandaamanda5398Who's winning the IP lawsuits?
If anyone feels bad about buying from them, consider that many of the retailers you buy from probably have the same supply chain but you feel safer giving them your money at a higher price so they get rich off the mark up.
Thank you !
It doesn't mean that you should continue supporting and buying from shein
@@akakiy3757 I agree with that. I'm just saying don't think price is the reason you should stop.
if anyone feels bad about buying from them, good! acknowledge the consequences of your actions
@@fleetwoodmak777 IKR these consumers aren't babies. The role they are playing can never be reversed. It is ok to order 2-3 items, but how are people ordering box loads of clothes??
Lets be honest. This wouldn't be news if Shein weren't a Chinese company. From a business point of view, they just outcompeted the others.
H&M, Old Navy, Zara, and plenty of others have bad quality clothes, and they're most likely made from low-wage and child-labor countries as well.
What you are saying is false. There has been decades of media reporting against the horrible labor practices and exploitation from top western fashion brands manufacturing in the global south.
If there's no SHEIN, there will be HEIN or THEYIN from other countries, business is business
@@sendnoodlehahaha that's a good one tho
Yeah, but they manage to be kind of worse
True, China is bad evil since cold war.
I’m getting the ick by hearing them talk about their “small batch system” to “reduce” inventory waste. They are producing insane amount of clothing that they know is made to be disposable, & waste can’t be reduced by feeding into micro trends.
It's that or they pour hundreds of amounts of things into a single design that will be fazed out... the only reason why they bring it up as being "not that good" is because fashion users don't actually wear the clothes because that's the nature of the industry... It does actually reduce inventory waste, since you don't have as much left over, sitting and rotting.
I think it is insane how people who don't necessarily need fast fashion just buy from such brands simply because they are more affordable and cost-efficient. Let's be more aware of the goods that we consume and promote and make sure that we are only buying what we need, and not just what we want, especially if they are on impulse.
So people should be penalised for being poor. Not everyone can use their wallet to support things. 'Simple because they are more affordable and cost-efficient' how is that simple? People struggle to afford the basics and you want to make them feel bad for buying things drastically cheaper? If you dont want these things isnt it up to governments and trade laws to dictate whats allowed and what isnt instead of putting it back on people who cant afford to buy clothes for $30 a piece?
@@dododog5002OP literally stated "people who don't necessarily need fast fashion". So it doesn't apply to the poor. We're talking about people who spend 100 dollars in dozens of cheap clothes in SheIn.
So the poor is to bear in a fast developing country where it’s so competitive that most of the people can never change their income status substantially. The consumers of these brands are mostly teens and young adults, people in their 20s. Im sure you understand at that age the need to put up a good appearance and look trendy and relevant, and they can’t really afford it so they look for cheaper alternatives. You can’t stop your consumers from buying things that are wrong if you’re willing to fund the company and give them a market in your country.
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@@dododog5002 Exactly, I'm sure the majority of people would choose to purchase high quality clothing if they had more money. A lot of shops near me sell sweaters for $100 and jeans for $70, so it's no wonder people around me choose to buy a $15 shirt or $25 pants from shein. But also, let's not forget multi millionaires contribute heavily to pollution and waste too with their private jets, thousands of clothing, and thousands of makeup/skincare products that are barely worn.
The Guardian did an amazing deep dive into Shein's business model and practices. It was...interesting to see how they acquire new designs.
Stolen basically?
@@bojack3827Stolen or not, your myopic mind won't change. Sad, but it is what it is.
@@gettyyoung46 not a shein apologist 💀
Same as Zara
@@bojack3827you mean basically all fashion brands do to each other?
Here's the thing, if people are going to protest Shein, they better not have an iphone in their pocket. Obviously supporting hyper-consumption is always bad and unethical; however if you have eyes on Shein, you are obligated to have eyes on any other company which profits off of 3rd world labor that you consume. Which Apple certainly does profit off of 3rd world labor with it's lithium production. I'll give you a hint, 99% of companies making billions of dollars did not reach those profit margins without exploitation.
Consumers are the enablers, corporations are the exploiters; simple as that.
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There are some necessities to live in the world. To have a job, to be safe, you have to have a phone and a computer. Also, you can buy so many second hand devices to reduce waste. Because you have a necessity does not mean you should just say nothing I do matters anymore. That is an all or nothing approach and is absurd. I should just waste extravagantly. You should care about others and the environment and not justify excessive waste and supporting human rights obligations because people also use an iphone.
Louder!!!
@@emmalindsey9065 Agreed. The comment you responded to just feels like whattaboutism. I use second-hand electronics out of concern for workers and the environment ... you can care about more than one issue. Shein is still an evil company.
Here’s the other thing: at this point there’s barely any mass produced, affordable product that is ethics compliant. No matter what you buy, there will be an environmental cost, an ethics cost, a moral cost. And right along with it, there will be a group of people protesting it. Which is not wrong but as a consumer it’s exhausting and impossible to live a life where you don’t possess something manufactured by slave labour. Sure, you can educate yourself, but how much will you educate yourself on? There’s only so much a single person can do. Not all consumers are enablers. So if you do what you can to minimise the collateral damage, without compromising severely on your own needs, it’s good enough I say.
The question is not why SHEIN making the price so low; it’s how others can keep the price so high (without facing severe competitions). Eventually all means to squeeze out the last penny will be exploited. Welcome to capitalism! And the Chinese are getting really good at it.
Customers have usually absolutely no clue about the cost structure of products.
China’s only doing so well because they use forced labor (sometimes), devalue their currency, use free shipping and no tariffs
The excess inventory waste doesn't sit in warehouses, but in landfills instead.
SHEIN is also super popular in third world countries like Mexico due to its affordability
Mexico is NOT a third-world country
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@@larisahinojosacontreras6692 sure isn't geez
@@larisahinojosacontreras6692 of course not! It's a developing country 😉
This is what Western media is like! funny!
I love how gen Z crusades about climate change yet eats up fast fashion like Shein. 😒
money. money will always dominate.
We are poor man. I mostly wear cheap clothes
The rich youth and poor youth have different priorities
I love how Gen W/X don't REALLY care about climate change. Or at least enough to actually change patterns of behaviour, consumption or pay to stop it... Alas... Enjoy driving your SUX-3000 on the way to the airport to catch your floating diarrhea/covid cruise!
bingo. the demographics pushing for climate change are typically not the same demographic purchasing fast fashion@@johnl.7754
I think Temu caught up because they sell alot of other household items and not just fashion.
Shein does too
The same parent company owns Shein, Temu & TikTok.. Lol
I'd never heard of it until someone from uni mentioned it like last year. I browsed a bit and instantly lost interests in buying anything from it. The pictures and prices looked shady. I'm a conservative shopper who only shops at physical stores, brand's online retails and reliable local shopping sites for brands I'm loyal to. I'd rather pay more for an item made by workers that are decently paid and insured. It breaks my heart to think of those workers who are underpaid, working overtime, at high risk of occupational injuries, exposed to workplace harassment, and under great social pressure. There are reports about some taking their own lives.
"involuntary labor" isn't like the employers actually enslave them, but more like they make them work overtime without paying for extra hours; if they don't comply, they get fired. These ppl aren't like experienced IT specialists or financial experts who have pretty resumes and valued skills; they have no option but to work.
By no means I'm saying all Chinese manufacturers are like that. There are several companies of Chinese brands that I know provide decent wages and working environment, however, I don't think shein is one of them.
Disposable clothes like this are horrific for the environment and also the workers who make them.
The modern clothing industry is all about automation
Then go and buy LV, prada.
@@IamHandsome4u There are plenty of alternatives between Shein and Prada. For the price of big premium brands like Hilfiger and others, there are brands that manufacture in the western world and meet high environmental and labor standards.
Sadly as long as there is a demand, it will not stop even if you do. Afterall what is the will of one person compared to numerous one?
@@huckleberryfinn6578 LOL, who told u that? All are the same, its just that brands like Tommy hilfiger has brand name, thats it, otherwise everything is just the same.
"Cheap fabric and dim lighting, thats how you sell goods" Marty Seinfeld 😂
move merchandise... you butchered it
Well, this isn't rocket science: consumers feel entitled to cheap clothing, garbage fast fashion fills the bill. If mid level retailers didn't ALSO embrace fast fashion at higher prices, we might not have sent consumers in that direction.
As consumers seem to accept literally 52 seasons as marketers trot out more junk, no wonder they are a powerhouse. Want the big goofy sunglasses? Why pay $400 for designer when you can buy a knockoff.
I suggest Justine Leconte's channel for a series of excellent videos addressing fast fashion and the issues surrounding it.
With a whole generation shilling this garbage on socials, it's no surprise they are valued so high.
Yeah, it's social media marketing these fast fashion stuff as something must have. I'm lucky I wasn't born in the generation where the young people feel the need to wear fast fashion to be validated. It must be hellish.
I'm unfamiliar with the brand, but the examples cited ($2 t-shirts & $7 pants) remind me of Old Navy: cheap, momentarily fashionable clothes you will not regret pitching in a month.
@@markg0410 well, that's the problem. Pitching them in a month. They are not made with textiles that have enough integrity to even survive long enough to get onto the secondary area of thrifting/donation.
so they end up in East Africa and the subsequent landfills. Look into the Atacama desert in Chile as now a landfill site for clothes, even stuff with tags.
bro we all know wearing Brunello Cucinelli is fantastic for the environment, but 99.99% of people either can't afford, or doesn't want to save for a year to buy 1 sweater
@@louistran016 that is a wholesale misconception and the thinking that drives fast fashion. _I_ don't buy a $4k sweater, and I think even saving for a year would not make it interesting enough or affordable.
There are brands who work on sustainability and source labor and materials in a responsible way. It takes work and consideration of what you wear and how you wear it. I gladly buy Pringle (used) because it meets a lot of my needs.
I think there is a middle ground that can be driven by the consumer, but as we have seen, it has to be consumer driven. Eileen Fisher is in the sustainability game, but her clothing is made simply (cost of construction) and while well sourced, isn't my personal cuppa.
Those influencers doing any Shein hauls should be utterly ashamed.
the people actually buying from Shein is even worse
SHEIN is the 1 sending the free stuff so what is there to be ashamed about?
@@kensleyred Are they forced to do the hauls for a disgusting company? Does Shein hold them at gunpoint?
Mist likely they got free stuff s to promote, it's cheaper than paying influencer
Those who believe Xinjiang lies should be more ashamed. I'm willing to bet most of you haven't even set foot in China. But hey, they are different, so let's hate on them! This kind of attitude is what fuels the Israel/Gaza conflict.
Shein low cost fashion has created a new trend : The Ready to trow away!
Among teenagers, women (and men), there is a fashion competition. Because of the low-cost fashion, teenagers are wearing their Shein fashion only a few times. Then they switch to a new design.
The out-of-fashion-outfits are piling up on the closet floor until their mother enforced a cleaning-order.
In Europe you can bring them to H&M in a recycle-bag and get a voucher discount, no worries
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You have been unmasked as a shein troll !
@@DonGivaniyou don’t know what exactly they do with the clothes after that
@@DonGivani doesn't solve the problem though does it? It just makes feel good about themselves! 🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
I hate Shein. This clothing company promote groval warming with cheap material.
I am speaking based on my own experience. SHEIN offers plus size clothing that is affordable and trendy. It offers so many choices that is very hard to come by in the Southeast Asia region where the clothing size is extremely small. After SHEIN came to picture, there are more stores, physical and online, that offer plus size clothing. However, it is either very expensive (for quality products) or poorly (fashion) designed (in most physical stores). It is a platform that is easy access and caters to the need of various age groups. Plus size I'm mentioning here is referring to clothing size of bigger than size 14 (UK/US size).
Come on that’s just a way to victimize yourself and excuse that you buy slave products because you want to be „fashionable“ be responsible for your choices and don’t lie to yourself.
@@nussnougat5462 It goes without saying that Shein's practices many be questioned. However, they really do look out for the plus-sized girlies. Most stores just wasn't plus-sized women to wear large blankets & cover themselves. Shein creates stylish clothes
I have the same experience in my Eastern European country. I can`t fit into almost any major brands like H&M or Zara, and I`m not rich enough to pay $ 80$ for a blouse made of good fabrics from smaller brands my country has. So yeah, I`ll keep buying from it
@@nussnougat5462I’m guessing you typed that from a phone or computer. So who digs up the minerals needed to create the phone laptop and are they paid fairly for their labor? Are you going to not use your phone/laptop when you find out the answer?
I shop from shein to start getting stuff for the upcoming season for my kids, or cheap clothes for our picture.
I buy what I want, from where I want, & what’s within my budget. If someone has a problem with it they can buy my clothes for me.
I'd love to hear something about the durability of their products compared to other brands. That also factors into environmental impact.
I think they mentioned it in the video. These intems are not made to last long, are created by likely abusing workers and ignore environmental standards
The durability of the product is irrelevant, its the durability of the fake demand (created by advertising) that is the limiting factor.
Buy, wear, discard because its not hot anymore.
They would wear out after a dozen uses, but they don't see that many.
The clothing is so affordable. They're practically wearing and dispose of them to buy the next trend.
most clothing companies do the same, they just have good PR
@@JCB576 a lot of "western world" is built on abusing, torturing, killing people. And, where was environment talk when the "west" was relatively poor? It seems like naked hypocrisy to me.
It's not actually affordable. They reduce the quality and the shelf life. This causes a pair of pants to last you about 3 months, causing you to buy new ones, or replace the old ones. This keeps you coming back to the site for more "affordable" options.
One pair of pants: $13 / 3 months = $52 / year
Now, if you were to buy "non-affordable" pants, for something like $80, they hopefully should last you a good couple of years. I have had a pair of pants that I bought for $9/pound that were worth about 80 bucks, and I don't know how many years they had on them before, but they were in good condition. I still have had these pants to this day, and they've lasted me 5 years and counting. I am now happy to buy new clothing from good brands now that I know the numbers.
I've just bought a higher-end pair of pants that I literally will wear most days and do everything in. They cost around $60. I've had them for about 3 months showing 0 signs of wear. I could say that these pants will last me a good 5 years at least.
This comes out to be $12 / year.
When you look at the long run, it actually comes out cheaper to buy good brands. And people have forgotten this.
Who wants to wear the same clothes for five years?
they're called investment pieces .... aka quality and classic clothing @@lastpreacher9093
indeed. I bought my "splurge" box from Shein to try it out and returned most of what was sent with the exception of a couple of pair of jeans. It just feels highly flammable and cheap against the skin. IYKYK
@@lastpreacher9093 Grownups. Like your parents and grandparents, and most adults throughout the entire world, even with means, for the past several centuries.
Well said. As they say “buy cheap pay twice”
People that utilize shein mostly care if the clothes are cheap , people care more about having multiple outfits for social media anyways or as they said “retire their clothing options”
SHEIN need to have better communication with customers they don’t have a problem with taking your order and MONEY but they don’t respond to giving you refund or try to contact you they want to charge you$1 to talk to someone inquiring about a refund I still haven’t recieved my refund yet and that was in Oct. I won’t order anything else until they rectify that.
also, I think ppl trying to show off or compete with celebrities such as Britney Spears, Madonna etc.
I don’t own one article of clothing from them and am proud of it.
Omg. Now the World Will sink soon in ur tears😂😂😂😂😂
omg and then we achieved world peace?
@Mr_Burberry 73 people do honey, you probably have SHEIN in your closet 💁🏻♀️
@@rabbitazteca23 definitely 💯🩷 IM THE FEMALE JESUS #GodsFavorite #PumpkinSpice4Life
@@Freemefredom I like turtles 👽
here in brazil it's quite difficult to find someone from gen z who has never ordered from shein, i myself am waiting for an order and planning my next one, "national" fast fashion is expensive here, it's not hard to find a simple cotton t-shirt costing 100 reais (our currency) and the quality is mid still
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That’s it?
I have been using Shein for years now. Quality of clothes is not brilliant mainly due to very cheap material they use, but they have designs (at an affordable price too) which I can't find anywhere in UK. I usually only buy clothes that I need. What I like the most about Shein is they sell a lot of creative and useful household items which (again!) I can't find in any local shops.
The household stuff on there is actually wayy better than some from big stores we have in the uk too. For that price, I would say that it is really well done. Clothing is different, but I feel hair accessories, phone cases, homestuff, and basically anything other than clothing and electronics, I really like one shein. Tbh, the quality of clothes on shein isn't very different from something you would find in primark or h and m, or even zara. Honestly, i would choose shein for the affordability and style too.
Seems like American excessive consumerism is as much a problem here as anything 🙄😒😒
I mean I think there’s levels to this. As long as you’re not literally buying SHEIN clothes like every month and spending 500$ on it or doing 100$ hauls every week you’re fine. I still have SHEIN stuff that is like over a year old cause I can’t even afford to drop that much money on clothes. I’ve even bought used SHEIN clothes from the thrift store which seems to be older SHEIN products which were probably better in quality.
I do get your point. I buy from SHEIN sometimes is totally fine, they doing this bad propaganda of SHEIN just to try sabotage them, hm, Zara, PLT, fashion nova, primark are just trash as SHEIN, but for “some reason” everything coming from China have to be bad I mean exclusively bad.
I never buy from Shein. The clothes end up at Salvation Army because they don't fit properly and you can't return once worn. If i can't try it on, im not buying. Im all about the environment so thrifting is the only way i shop.
You are missing out. Check out their special occasion gowns. Wow!!! These are clothes of the same quality and fabric sold at $400 in other stores.
The actual reason behind their low costs is the absence of a “western” entity in the value added chain, which is a very heavy overhead burden with no meaningful and tangible contribution to product.
The products of western brands have heavy costs built into them of administrative overheads that provide little actual value.
Oh it could be, you know, slave labor... The "involuntary labor" the video glazes off
I mean, you're partly correct. But also.....slavery. 🤷🏻♀️
I literally got a Shein ad after finishing this video and I don't know what to say...
Your video editing is so clean and polished. The pacing is perfect, and the way you highlight key moments is really effective. You’ve definitely mastered the art of making engaging content.
Well, I feel it isn't neccessarily bad, if someone shops from shein, but only buys little, and wears the clothing for many wears. In my opinion, fast fashion is only fast if you make it to be. But the treatment of workers is terrible, so that's a point against fast fashion.
i remember shopping on shein back in 2018/2019 when it wasnt as big as is it today, I didnt really know what to expect as I had just found the website and never heard anyone talk about it before. Their selection did have a lot of variety and the prices seemed almost too good to be true. I was right, the quality was absolutely terrible when the clothes came in. Never ordered from there again and it surprises me how popular it has become these past couple years.
Same! 😅
At 4:14 UBS found that $100/month on clothes is 60% more than the average American woman spends? That would be news to my wife.😂
From the thoughtfully placed embellishments to the flawless stitching, it's pure perfection kkuwan
I really love how your taste and style are always so chic. My favorite is the *amzclothes* coat, it’s amazing.
Before they expanded into North America and Europe, the quality was wayyyyyy better. I have down jackets from 8 years ago that never lose feathers and have more cells per area than the recent down jacket I bought. I hate that it’s so hard to find good quality for reasonable prices now.
your price expectation is not reasonable.
Shein used to be significantly better quality. That’s not to say there quality was great to begin with but by 2019 it had gone off the deep end
@@Morgan-tb8ns I agree. SHEIN used to make good quality but recently some of theirs stuff isn't made to last anymore, maybe couple wear.
Yea I was about to comment that I’ve bought from Zara & h& m & the first wash they start looking loose & ugly I’ve bought some stuff from SHEIN & I’ve washed a couple times & they are alright maybe some stuff is a hit or miss idk 🤷🏻♀️
Just buy pre loved! 🤷🏻♀️
I stopped buyinng most things in 2012 and use what i have.
I wasnt super spend crazy because our parents told us to save and invest for the future.
I dont buy luxury things because our parents taught us the value of money.
I have a bs in marketing so i know how the game works.
the logistics of SHEIN is really impressive as they are the most real-time clothing manufacturer in the world.
I agree. It's nearly unbelievable how they do it. Love them or hate them. They nailed it
The US is amazing. They tell the Chinese companies to be more transparent, but do nothing about the companies from their own country.
The vocal fry coming from that one lady is INSANE 🫨🫣
I just was on that part and I was like pls stop
its pretty rare to met young ppl who threw away their clothes. eventhough its cheap they usually sits in their drawer or just be donated.
i agree, although most clothes from pricier brands get sold on vintec and depop etc while shein gets donated at best
I try to resell it ,
before I know it I bought 20 items from them last year 😂 I need my money back haha, I'm going to buy few more n I'll stop
In short SHEIN wins.. cheap, competitive or maybe unfair.. this hurt other products..
世界有穷人，他们也需要穿衣服。穷人威胁到你生存了？？😢放弃穷人？？希望你亲人不是穷人，要不然威胁到你生存，你会杀了他们。
its the model every company uses to be "capitalistic", unfair in what sense, moving manufacturing abroad is as amaerican as a hot dog and a ballgame. unfair to hurt americans in taking jobs away no?
Very fair for customer. Bye bye for greedy and uncompetitive company
Can't fight slave labour in Xinjiang.
@@RobertoLee09 shien is greedy as well
I bought 2 shirts from Shein. The quality was complete garbage. Tissue paper levels of thinness.
By Gucci next time
@@antonymwangi4986or like, something that's reasonable built and priced
@@antonymwangi4986maybe he can't afford it
They are cheap for a reason, when you buy a 8 dollar steak do you expect Wagyu quality? 😂😂😂😂
Seriously, this content just captured my attention completely!
"Involuntary labour." That's just a euphemism for slavery.
😂😂😂😂记得小丑🤡表演完回家时别卸妆，因为大众的眼睛越来越明亮，时刻在看着小丑……
All of these companies including American, European, Canadian corporations use the slave labour. Even the so called organizational NGOs they use to check if there's child labor or slavery have vested interest to look the other way.
All it took was 2 seconds of mentioning “involuntary labor” without presenting a single piece of evidence, and you already believe that it’s 100% true?
Heard from shein’s suppliers that SHEIN abuses their suppliers in forcing them to offer the lowest price possible. Because competition in the Chinese market is harsh, the suppliers have no other choice but to do as SHEIN requested to stay in business. 😢 cheaper goods= poorer quality= more waste, SHEIN is like another term for fast fashion
I lived in Guangdong which is produces 60% products in the word，Shein actually have lots suppliers who make clothes for them
Are they not just a reseller? If you screen cap any items from shein you can buy the exact same item from taobao for even cheaper... I always just assumed they're a reseller that takes taobao stuff and sells it at a premium to the western world... kinda like aliexpress but run as a company...
i’ve ordered stuff from there before, it smelled like a factory and burnt rubber. there was only 2 things in the 10 item order that smelled but by the time it got to me everything else smelled like it too.
i will never order from them again and learned my lesson. it’s not a great business model for long term success, people won’t buy from you again when your blue shirt stains their entire load of laundry blue (happened to a friend)
People do not realized that Chinese manufacture will send out their production to North Korea where wages are much lower than China. Chinese manufacture will make sure their factory functions meet the brand standards. When people visit these Chinese factory they may appear to be meeting whatever guideline that the brand require, what they do not know is that 90% is sent to North Korea
north korean people also need to work
Shein and every other chinese company is banned in India. Never owned a piece of clothing from them, and I'm proud of it. Avoiding fast fashion
Then where do toy source your clothes? India has these types of factories as well with awful working conditions.
India is a depressing country, I'm going to enjoy my TikTok now.
🎉 That’s a smart move! More friends on board means more fun and extra bonuses to go around. Let’s spread the word
As some has mentioned, it does mean other brands like F21 HM zara etc are any different if scrutinising is necessary. Let me which company is 100% perfect and clean?
As consumers we are all well-awared how price are inflated due to multiple layers of sellers, it is not necessary pricey means greater quality.
I see nothing wrong with Shein selling at affordable price just because it's almost due to direct selling prices.
So must a company selling at unreasonable prices then equate to social responsibility?
There are many ways to do that. Shein can consider another department function to collect unwanted apparel and send to 3rd world country as a whole.
It's a win-win if it can make every or many people feeling confident and happy.
Speaking of increased wastage, how many complaining individuals are the ones actively reducing or eliminating food packaging wastage by using their own lunchboxes and turn-off their lights when aren't using and their aircon maintained at 25-degrees?
If you or these people can't even do something so marginal that's within their reach, then don't go around acting noble complaining about fashion waste 🙄
We're not telling SheIn should charge more just so they can be socially responsible. We're telling SheIn to give the minimal wage to their employees, which costs more, which in turn would raise prices. Are you dense?
Not justifying anything but so true. It pisses me off so much when people talks and preaches how they are great to the environment lalallaala and dont even put recyclables into the recycle bin when it’s right next to the general wastebin or use reusable cups for their 5 daily coffees- i see this ALL the time and yet those peeps are the ones who makes great noises of how other people/other countries are bad to the planet rarara
Shein is just one example from a spectrum of issues in the larger global political landscape.
I just realized half of my travel wardrobe is Shein, and I've worn these clothes A LOT for years. For some reason I haven't even had to patch up any holes like what's usually required of other clothes
Yes same, I find the quality has been good!!
Sure you do... I'm sure you work for Shein promoting their garbage products.
@@yummm8775 I don't...
I've stopped shopping there a long time ago. What shows up is never like in the pictures, quality is so bad it's not wearable at all. They look horrible too. I started shopping at my local secondhand clothing stores. Also started saving up if there's something really special that I want, like a good quality blazer or a trench coat etc. No more buying these cheap nasty rags.
I don't feel personally guilty about buying shein. I buy them twice a year, each pack worth $150-$240. But I make sure I like it and use it. My closet gets sorted out each year and I donate unused ones to people that can't buy.
all the morals and personal feelings about the company aside, how theyre using ai and data to optimize clothing manufacturing and designs is very impressive and inspiring
When this report said shein is moving its headquarter from China to Singapore, did anyone realized how ridiculous the cost of operation jumped? Singapore has one of the highest real estate country, it's a tiny island focuses on finace and logistics. China labour is not cheap anymore, young educated people don't want to work in factory!
I recently bought a pair of well made Wrangler semi dressy work pants made in Kenya! 6 pockets cargo dressy pants with stretchy fabric for $29.99. i use it for work and it'll be my favorite travel pants to keep my boarding pass, tickets etc. I was perfect for horse riding on the Rainbow mountain, Peru, elevation 17,600 feet
really impressed with this lady's Vocal Fry near the end of the vid.
Shein is the savior of the working class. With inflation so high, who is going to bring prices down. Only the elites can afford European luxury: the rest of us have to make do with Shein or Temu.
A rough estimate is that they didnt pay from $3 billion to 6 billion of duties to the US government
If shein only do as producer, sells fashions to brands such as HM, Forever 21 etc with the low price but brands sell at high prices, it may not attract attentions widely. No matter China provides expensive or cheap products, China has mistake 😄
Whenever a Chinese company is taking over the market and loved by the consumers, US will find reasons to turn them down. SHEIN and TEMU has done so much for the consumers especially when the inflation is so high and that people cant even afford groceries.... rather than criticizing these amazing companies that the US cant compete with maybe they should start thinking about how to lower inflation so people can actually afford living.
Slave labor is crazy
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@@akg9991 what give you the idea of slave labor besides the media that is trying to brainwash you. Have you ever visited China or the factory??
Considering the low quality and durability, Shein's products are actually expensive.
The quality is better if not the same as many well known higher priced brands so... wrong
I haven’t finished the video does it mention if they spray their clothes with toxic chemicals? I know luxury brands do that as well but many keep that in mind.
How nice “ they plan to spend $150m in the next three years” to gain a better business model. They know what they’re doing, if they actually cared, they would’ve started the business that way.
I am just watching this video now and I already know what you are referring to and I feel the exact same I’ve been thinking about it since it was released and I have been thinking should I just treat myself for Christmas *amzclothes*
SHEIN steals original art and sells clothing and other products without the artists permission
Original art? Do you think AIGC as original because that’s what shein used to make pattern for their clothes in the last 2-3 years
lol the design of men's jackets and parkas we are wearing, are all WW1 period with minor adjustments
The clothing is actually eavesdropping on your conversation and also monitoring your data online.
it also harass yr mum secretly midnight, in case you don't know.
What company doesn't pay attention to conversions and don't monitor your data? I'm an eCommerce seller myself, and even all small stores pay meticulous attention to data and analyze it. That's the standard these days.
@@huckleberryfinn6578 nah SHEIN is in another game. They use the clothes to monitor you.
awsome and informative video
I see this as a success. We have low-cost, hugely abundant clothing in whatever design is trendy. The technology avoids huge amounts of waste that other fast-fashion retailers generate with excess inventory. The industry is creating what people want.
As for the questionable labour practices, this is China's issue. We're not responsible for whatever the regime does there. The culture is very very different and it's easy to criticise without understanding the whole picture of people's options, and what is normal in that part of the world.
it is a resource allocator, exporting overcapacity of chinese goods which are mainly cheap and could be perceived as commodities to to the world
Hope the SHEIN buyers , most young progressive female, have a clear conscience after seeing how the worker do they job.
no, it's not the progressive young women that are buying shein.
If you buy anything made in poor countries like china or india you are contributing to it too
@@relaxation-Corner So like 30%+ of everything in the world?
@@KaiserTwo almost impossible to avoid
We all start somewhere and with hard work and determination we can make our dreams our reality
I really liked this video as I find it very inspiring ❤
This is fascinating.
Letting Wall Street own this company would solve these problems in an instant ~
Me who will wear a concert t-shirt for 10+ years before reluctantly retiring it
Shein's quality honestly is not bad. Bought a couple of nice crewneck sweaters from there and they are nice quality and comfortable. Bought them last year, and still wear them. Shein also allowed me to change some of my fashion sense for the better since I was able to experiment at a lower cost.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure some of their products are cheap quality since they literally sell everything. Shoes, bracelets etc.
But most of this video seems like a hit piece on a company that makes affordable and stylish clothes for people.
In the country I am in, I would need to pay $60-100 for the product but for the same product and basically same quality. I pay $20-30 on Shein. I save nearly more than 50%, so why should I cut? Before Shein I nearly never bought clothes.
So slave labour is justified?
Yeah, that part everyone ignores@@Babyblue115
@@Babyblue115Who told you ? Your parents?😂
Got a SHEIN ad while watching this 💀
I thought it was cute when they discussed how they acquire designs when I have friends who had their designs stolen just months after they released the concepts
How does Shein control quality of the products? Remember words are cheap and lying is not penalized.
Obviously no quality control. It’s made in China not the west
They don't
Shein, they are many buyers, they get products from my factory. for example, i sell unit price 1 usd to them , they sell products on shein for 8 - 10 us dollars.There is a big gap, the profit is very high.
Shein is a clothing company that knows how to use big data. That's it. It sells to everyone and its trend is everything. Unlike other fashion brands, it doesn't set the trend. It just follows every trend the moment they become a reality. It knows what to sell quickly and also how to sell them quickly, it has cheap labor, cheap materials, and low taxes. It is Amazon that focuses entirely on clothing. In fact, if it can expand it's model to other products, it might as well be one of the largest companies in the world.
Cheap labor = slave labor
It's a mixed bag. T-shirts from shein can be super cute and affordable, but they get destroyed in the wash after only wearing it a handful of times. It's not really value for money if a t shirt doesn't last. But then on the other hand there's a few things that are really nice and I get complimented on and look like much more expensive. Over consumption of anything is bad, clothing, shoes, homewares, whatever.
Nobody goes to fast fashion brick and mortar stores anymore and those clothes probably came from the same factory as Shein's.
Thanks for the video! One thing this video glosses over is the TERRIBLE quality of Shein clothing. Oftentimes the clothing is practically see-through and will fall apart after a few washes. So, their business model encourages buying clohting, using it a few times, then throwing it away because the quality is so bad.
Chinese innovation is next level!
down with the Universal Postal Union
The innovation Americans love❤
It's called slave labour in Xinjiang.
affiliate marketing, destructive environmental practices, and no value for human rights
I was introduced to Shien by my 15 yr old niece she is a young fashionista. She loves their clothes and buys them often. I’m happy that she has a place she can afford to purchase what she likes at prices she can afford. Many of the labels in my closet says made in China. American has allowed big companies to do this for years, I mean decades. The problem is there isn’t an American company making money from it. It’s from China to the consumer…
No, the problem is that we think we need new clothes several times a year. You shouldn’t be happy about your niece buying from shein. Fast fashion is so harmful to the environment and the workers sewing those clothes.
EXACTLY!!!
@@wiebkke do u shop on Amazon?
@@theceech no, I don’t shop online
@@wiebkke What she is saying is many companies have been doing this without fail. However, they made sure the U.S gets their cut. Shein doesn't share profits with the U.S, that's why there is a big hoo-haa
I placed one order with Shein and kind of regretted it. Bought a good amount of clothes and I would say 90% of them were pretty poorly made or cheap fabric. It really isn't worth it if the clothes won't last more than a couple weeks.