Great review. Don’t forget the new approach shot section. That feature is pure. I have owned my mlm2 for a bit. Definitely improved my game. It’s interesting watching my hozel hit a ball in slow motion.
Great review! We do a lot of Garmin reviews and this Rapsodo looks to offer quite a bit more accuracy. Stuck in a pickle if it is worth switching from the R10 to this. Helpful insight! And congrats on your channel's success!
My issue with this one, which is giving me buyers regret, is getting it aligned with the ball. It has to be perfectly aligned, and it takes some time to do that.
Agree with this. And I haven’t figured out how to play a simulated round while I’m at the range due to the position of the camera on tee shots, versus lies off the mat (without having to recalibrate the camera after hitting driver each time). That’s been a bummer. Would be nice to see an update in the future where they increase the FOV of the cameras, so the ball could be seen by the device anywhere within a wider defined radius, thus also reducing the alignment time of setting the mlm2pro up.
Can you do a review on the “golf daddy” at home simulator please? Just picked one up and I think it’d be worth your time to do a video. Love your reviews and content!
I've owned one for 3mths. I mainly hit it indoors into a net. Whilst I've carefully set it up using their exact suggested distances from Rapsodo unit to ball, and ball to net, I find the distance accuracy disappointing. It's under selling distances by 10-20% - especially with driver - which is frustrating. This isn't just me over estimating my distances - when I take it to an outdoor range the distances are really accurate. (I note in your review your driver distances were slightly down too vs Trackman). I'm not sure whether it has trouble picking up balls hitting into my black net (vs hitting into a white impact screen), but either way it's frustrating and is the only thing that stops me wholeheartedly recommending the Rapsodo MLM2 Pro
FWIW, i've got a friend doing a lot of research because he's taking the plunge into a big simulator. He said that doppler radars, when indoors, are susceptible to metal buildings (if inside a metal building, the radar can bounce around a bit making the data a bit less accurate). So that's why he's going camera-based. If i ever get this, i don't see it being an issue because i'd be using it on an outdoor net anyway.
Yes, I want to get it for outside to hit into a net but worried about that, I wonder if I need to put some kind of white tarp behind the black ball net to help it read better?
Is it picking up to much spin or just calculating it wrong. Cause on GS pro you can let GS pro take the launch characteristics and they get the distance
@michaeldasilva6753 Not quite. You will be able to see from the slowmo impact camera if your face is open or close. However you still won't know what you path is doing so trying to fix face or path will be pretty hard. Unless your miles in to out or out to in.
By far the biggest issue with the mlm2pro is the miss shots and flakey direct wifi connection. It can make for a very frustrating session, but when it's working, the accuracy performs well above its weight class. Just a shame these two issues still persist. The mlm2pro would otherwise be a near perfect unit. @Rapsodo here's hoping software can address this
@@Rapsodo Hi Rapsodo! MLM2Pro owner here - can you please confirm if club data is coming to beta soon? I can't seem to get a response from the support team. If it is, can you please provide a ballpark estimate of when? Thank you!!
Yeah, if you're looking for a launch monitor under $1k for a net outside, this is the one I'd go with. Being able to use RPT balls into a net, puts this well above any competing options at this price.
No matter what device you get, I think the first set up steps include downloading new firmware. The software you download will automatically have the latest stable version.
Great, well produced video as always. Liked the accuracy testing, but you are leaving like 30 yards of carry on the table with your driver!? Based on your club speed and spin numbers, you are probably hitting down and/or coming over-the-top.
I have been really thinking of getting this Rapsodo device, but my thing is that I plan to use it outdoors in my back yard. Have you heard how well it works outdoors?
Hey @breybone! As long as you have adequate space and somewhat level ground there should not be any problems. Many users lack the space indoors and will pair the MLM2PRO with a hitting mat and Net Return! Reach out to our support team if you have any other questions regarding set up and they will be more than happy to assist!
Have you test it with the Awesome Golf app, to which they are compatible? I have the Garmin and I only sue Awesome Golf... These lower end native apps tend to suck anyway and dont fully leverage all the equipment potential.
Someone here who uses the MLM 2 Pro outside with a net ? Does that work well ? Do you have to place it behind you or can you place it in front of you as well ? And can you connect to a laptop (Windows) or do you have to use phone or tablet ?
Is the side spin better! Have you watched any comparable reviews? I owned the Garmin for a while and also have the MLM2, the MLM2 destroys the Garmin. The only issue with the MLM2 is the random disconnections.
Love the reviews but in this case it would've been helpful to see the results outside without the special tracking balls. Using it at a range or on the course for me personally, so indoor results with improvement tracking balls is eh, but good to know. If you ever use it outdoors I'd be interested to see that update/review.
- I have the MLM2Pro and can say it’s perfect for use on the range. However, you will not get spin data; the device will track the ball, and you will have a shot tracer, and the distance will be very accurate. Using it on course sounds good in theory, unless you are playing alone and no one is behind you it’s more of a pain in reality. The RPT balls make a significant difference when playing indoors, which shouldn’t be dismissed.
This would definitely be my pick in this price range to use as a simulator. For a little less you can also use the Garmin R10 or the Swing Caddie SC4 - neither of those need a subscription to use the included e6 courses, which is the big advantage they have over the Rapsodo. But the Rapsodo is more accurate.
I have stopped using it because it would freeze, miss shots and I ended up spending half my time on the range fiddling with it to get it working. Real disappointment.
@Rapsodo I disagree for a beginner club path is fr more important than shot shoe as lots of different things can use shot shape but swing path us something that needs to be consistent
Sean, I've not yet used one of these or read your other reviews entirely, so forgive me if this is a stupid question. When you're comparing the accuracy of the MLM to the Trackman (or to any other monitors), is there a control or validation of some kind? I.e. how do you know the Rhapsodo is less accurate than the Trackman and not the other way around? Or is the Trackman a gold standard of accuracy?
Tracking accuracy is the hardest part of these videos, as you never really know which one is correct. But the Trackman is generally considered the gold standard - so in this video I used it as the control.
The Garmin R10 is the cheapest way to get club path, but I haven't found it to be terribly accurate. The alignment of the unit can pretty dramatically effect the results, and it's not actually measuring - its using an algo to calculate that specific metric. The Mevo Plus I believe is the cheapest product to give impact detection. But even that, you'll need both Pro Package and Impact Detection Package. When on sale, and using a promo code, you should be able to get for like $2600ish.
No spin data with no RPT balls however the ball is tracked and you will get a shot tracer (when using on the range). You only get spin data with RPT balls.
@@NeVeREire Their original MLM has a different subscription price than the MLM2 Pro. The $199/yr is for the pro version (the unit reviewed in this video)
I'm assuming this is a stupid question, but have you updated to latest firmware and software? I haven't had any of those initial issues in a long time.
@@breakingeighty when I look for software updates it says my system is up to date so I assume it is. It drops signal constantly and picks up maybe 2/5 shots
I've had one in-depth session with it indoors against the Trackman, and honestly, the results weren't great. I've been holding off doing the review until I can do it again and see if it was a setup issue or something else causing the results to be more variable than I was expecting. I was also thinking it really only need 8 feet behind and 8 feet in front of the ball indoors. But when using the app, it seemed to ideally want 10 feet both directions - which is a lot of space. And where my Trackman setup is, I've barely got 16 feet total - so that might be part of the issue as well.
@breakingeighty thanks for the update, been debating between FullSwing, meevo +, and skytrak+ but mostly between FS and meevo + because I wanted indoor and range use so I may have to just get the meevo +. I also like the gc3 but at essentially double the price of the meevo+ with all the add-ons it's still a tough sell. Thanks again for the update!
@@jdog8701 Yeah my quick thoughts are if you just want outdoors on the range, and ease of use - I like the Full Swing best for that. If you want a simulator at home that you're going to leave there, I'd prob go SkyTrak+. If you want ultimate versatility and a more professional feeling system, the Mevo+ is fantastic. The major question I'd have for you is whether or not you hit off grass at your range - if so, then I'd rule the SkyTrak out. If you're on mats, it becomes a tougher choice.
@breakingeighty I go to mostly grass ranges so I've been leaning toward meevo+ and it seems you'd agree since I'm looking for both indoor and range use. I appreciate all the feedback.last question if you don't mind would be is the gc3 really worth double the meevo+ price? I don't know if I can talk myself into that price point but just curious your thought on that
@@jdog8701 This is a little bit older so doesn't include some updates to both, but overall is still pretty much accurate: th-cam.com/video/oODSxEJsurk/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=BreakingEighty%7CHonestGolfReviews The Launch Pro is the exact same as GC3, just has subscription model instead. GC3/LP is easier to setup, built-in screen is nice, and FCX Play is my fave simulator software. But Mevo Plus has no subscription, more data points, and MUCH better software. Again, kinda just depends on what you need/value most. But both are great.
This is more accurate since it measures spin axis so you have accurate shot shape into a net. It also has the two cameras and tons of awesome features. It keeps getting better as well.
The Software as a service on this device is simply not worth it. i bought the MLM2 and with a price of 199 dolar i would have paid the device twice within 3 years. and the software is bad, i never used their built in simulator or driving range, never once. so why pay for it. but you have to pay 199 dollar in order to use third party software, that on also have to pay for. go for a better devicde, or wait for the new devices coming out, which are subscription free.
Great review. Don’t forget the new approach shot section. That feature is pure. I have owned my mlm2 for a bit. Definitely improved my game. It’s interesting watching my hozel hit a ball in slow motion.
Could you elaborate on the approach shot section/feature you’re referring to? I’m not seeing it the app.
I think they are referring to the new target range. Multiple tee boxes, multiple fairways, and a whole lot of targets!
I agree, I took it out yesterday with my instructor for a net session and then range session it does so much, for such a quick setup!
Thank you for sharing your experience!!
I love mine. Just a backyard setup with a net. Steam link to a junk tv running gspro.
Helped my golf game leaps and bounds
Same but airplay to new tv and awesome golf. All good
any issues reading the ball outside with net, do I need a white background behind it or do you jut have it in yard, what is backdrop for it
@@jasonsteigleman260 nope none, just trees in the back lol
Thanks for sharing your experience and set up!
@@Rapsodo wow a reply from the OG, Thanks!
Great review! We do a lot of Garmin reviews and this Rapsodo looks to offer quite a bit more accuracy. Stuck in a pickle if it is worth switching from the R10 to this. Helpful insight! And congrats on your channel's success!
Accurate spin data for the win! We do offer a trade in program through 2nd Swing!
My issue with this one, which is giving me buyers regret, is getting it aligned with the ball. It has to be perfectly aligned, and it takes some time to do that.
Agree with this. And I haven’t figured out how to play a simulated round while I’m at the range due to the position of the camera on tee shots, versus lies off the mat (without having to recalibrate the camera after hitting driver each time). That’s been a bummer. Would be nice to see an update in the future where they increase the FOV of the cameras, so the ball could be seen by the device anywhere within a wider defined radius, thus also reducing the alignment time of setting the mlm2pro up.
Such a good device and worth every penny
Great video.
Can you do a review on the “golf daddy” at home simulator please? Just picked one up and I think it’d be worth your time to do a video. Love your reviews and content!
Great review good sir!
I've owned one for 3mths. I mainly hit it indoors into a net. Whilst I've carefully set it up using their exact suggested distances from Rapsodo unit to ball, and ball to net, I find the distance accuracy disappointing. It's under selling distances by 10-20% - especially with driver - which is frustrating. This isn't just me over estimating my distances - when I take it to an outdoor range the distances are really accurate. (I note in your review your driver distances were slightly down too vs Trackman). I'm not sure whether it has trouble picking up balls hitting into my black net (vs hitting into a white impact screen), but either way it's frustrating and is the only thing that stops me wholeheartedly recommending the Rapsodo MLM2 Pro
FWIW, i've got a friend doing a lot of research because he's taking the plunge into a big simulator. He said that doppler radars, when indoors, are susceptible to metal buildings (if inside a metal building, the radar can bounce around a bit making the data a bit less accurate). So that's why he's going camera-based. If i ever get this, i don't see it being an issue because i'd be using it on an outdoor net anyway.
Interesting. Although I'm using mine in a wooden barn
Yes, I want to get it for outside to hit into a net but worried about that, I wonder if I need to put some kind of white tarp behind the black ball net to help it read better?
Is it picking up to much spin or just calculating it wrong. Cause on GS pro you can let GS pro take the launch characteristics and they get the distance
If only it had club path and face data.
Nice but not necessary. The accuracy is high and reliable enough that you can get what you need from the ball flight.
@michaeldasilva6753 Not quite. You will be able to see from the slowmo impact camera if your face is open or close. However you still won't know what you path is doing so trying to fix face or path will be pretty hard. Unless your miles in to out or out to in.
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By far the biggest issue with the mlm2pro is the miss shots and flakey direct wifi connection. It can make for a very frustrating session, but when it's working, the accuracy performs well above its weight class.
Just a shame these two issues still persist. The mlm2pro would otherwise be a near perfect unit.
@Rapsodo here's hoping software can address this
@@Rapsodo Hi Rapsodo! MLM2Pro owner here - can you please confirm if club data is coming to beta soon? I can't seem to get a response from the support team. If it is, can you please provide a ballpark estimate of when?
Thank you!!
This is what I was waiting for... no idea how I got an email about this video. Lol
Thanks for the update. Would you recommend this for use with a net outdoors? I don’t have suitable indoor space, but plenty outdoors.
Yeah, if you're looking for a launch monitor under $1k for a net outside, this is the one I'd go with. Being able to use RPT balls into a net, puts this well above any competing options at this price.
That’s how I use mine. I picked up a net off Amazon for 40 bucks and it works great!
Is there an update version that I need to look for when buying? To make sure I get all the updates you mention in video, thanks!
No matter what device you get, I think the first set up steps include downloading new firmware. The software you download will automatically have the latest stable version.
Great, well produced video as always. Liked the accuracy testing, but you are leaving like 30 yards of carry on the table with your driver!? Based on your club speed and spin numbers, you are probably hitting down and/or coming over-the-top.
lol, isnt that the truth. But that's a whole separate conversation....ha
I have been really thinking of getting this Rapsodo device, but my thing is that I plan to use it outdoors in my back yard. Have you heard how well it works outdoors?
Hey @breybone! As long as you have adequate space and somewhat level ground there should not be any problems. Many users lack the space indoors and will pair the MLM2PRO with a hitting mat and Net Return! Reach out to our support team if you have any other questions regarding set up and they will be more than happy to assist!
Do you have a video or details about how this compares to the Garmin R10? Which one would you recommend?
Can you have multiple profiles if you have another family member who wants to use the MLM2PRO?
Couldn’t get over the amount of missed shots when using mlm2pro outside into a net. Returned mine from the headaches alone
What about the disconnects? Is that completely resolved?
What are my options if I just want club path and face angle data.
Have you test it with the Awesome Golf app, to which they are compatible? I have the Garmin and I only sue Awesome Golf... These lower end native apps tend to suck anyway and dont fully leverage all the equipment potential.
Someone here who uses the MLM 2 Pro outside with a net ? Does that work well ? Do you have to place it behind you or can you place it in front of you as well ? And can you connect to a laptop (Windows) or do you have to use phone or tablet ?
I love my Garmin but indoors I get lots of interference. Does this have any issues with interference? And is the side spin detection better?
Is the side spin better! Have you watched any comparable reviews? I owned the Garmin for a while and also have the MLM2, the MLM2 destroys the Garmin. The only issue with the MLM2 is the random disconnections.
I havent had interference issues with the Rapsodo. And spin is much better than the Garmin when using with RPT balls.
Love the reviews but in this case it would've been helpful to see the results outside without the special tracking balls. Using it at a range or on the course for me personally, so indoor results with improvement tracking balls is eh, but good to know. If you ever use it outdoors I'd be interested to see that update/review.
For sure, that was a miss on my part. Will try and get another video of it outside in the coming weeks.
- I have the MLM2Pro and can say it’s perfect for use on the range. However, you will not get spin data; the device will track the ball, and you will have a shot tracer, and the distance will be very accurate.
Using it on course sounds good in theory, unless you are playing alone and no one is behind you it’s more of a pain in reality.
The RPT balls make a significant difference when playing indoors, which shouldn’t be dismissed.
Check out Golficitys outdoor test!
Does the area have to be well lit? Will it work hitting into a net outdoors at night?
Has to be well lit. I actually tried it last night at a lit driving range. And it would not see the ball.
I just have to keep pricing it out over 5 years- in which case mevo+ all the way
Repsodo or mevo+ , i dont know what do buy.... completely lost...
This might help breakingeighty.com/mevo-plus-vs-mlm2pro
Does this work with Apple Watch? Meaning, can you get Swing Data on the watch instead of looking at a phone or iPad?
To my knowledge, you cannot with the Rapsodo. Although I wouldn't be shocked if this came out in a future update.
Is there any thing in a similar price range that’s good for a simulator?
This would definitely be my pick in this price range to use as a simulator. For a little less you can also use the Garmin R10 or the Swing Caddie SC4 - neither of those need a subscription to use the included e6 courses, which is the big advantage they have over the Rapsodo. But the Rapsodo is more accurate.
Thank you
I have stopped using it because it would freeze, miss shots and I ended up spending half my time on the range fiddling with it to get it working. Real disappointment.
It doesn't do club path like the r10 so can't see if your coming over the top or in to out ?
Getting accurate shot shape is significantly more important then what your swing looks like!
@Rapsodo I disagree for a beginner club path is fr more important than shot shoe as lots of different things can use shot shape but swing path us something that needs to be consistent
Sean, I've not yet used one of these or read your other reviews entirely, so forgive me if this is a stupid question. When you're comparing the accuracy of the MLM to the Trackman (or to any other monitors), is there a control or validation of some kind? I.e. how do you know the Rhapsodo is less accurate than the Trackman and not the other way around? Or is the Trackman a gold standard of accuracy?
Tracking accuracy is the hardest part of these videos, as you never really know which one is correct. But the Trackman is generally considered the gold standard - so in this video I used it as the control.
the mevo plus i got used doesnt have any annual subscriptions
How does this product work hitting into a net like “the net return”?
Yes. Works great. I just have a net not a screen.
Can you do another review of the voice caddie sc4?
Yeah I'm overdue for a few more update videos, the SC4 being one of them.
@@breakingeighty Just hope by the time you do an update Voice Caddie has released some kind of update for the SC4.
What’s the cheapest way to see face impact and club path?
The Garmin R10 is the cheapest way to get club path, but I haven't found it to be terribly accurate. The alignment of the unit can pretty dramatically effect the results, and it's not actually measuring - its using an algo to calculate that specific metric.
The Mevo Plus I believe is the cheapest product to give impact detection. But even that, you'll need both Pro Package and Impact Detection Package. When on sale, and using a promo code, you should be able to get for like $2600ish.
As I mostly going practice on an outdoor driving range, may I ask if the MLM2Pro still give the spin data ?
No spin data with no RPT balls however the ball is tracked and you will get a shot tracer (when using on the range). You only get spin data with RPT balls.
Initial reply is correct! Our patented camera technology track the ball when you are on the driving range, delivering accurate shot shape.
The membership cost is coming up at $99.99 (or around €72) am I looking at the wrong membership? or has it come down in price?
That is our MLM subscription. The MLM sells for $299.99 and is the Original Mobile Launch Monitor!
@@Rapsodo I've seen many videos of people saying $199.99 for the membership, including this video. So is the $99/year membership the same one?
@@NeVeREire Their original MLM has a different subscription price than the MLM2 Pro. The $199/yr is for the pro version (the unit reviewed in this video)
Mine still has all those issues. It’s terrible.
I'm assuming this is a stupid question, but have you updated to latest firmware and software? I haven't had any of those initial issues in a long time.
@@breakingeighty when I look for software updates it says my system is up to date so I assume it is. It drops signal constantly and picks up maybe 2/5 shots
Where is the full swing indoor review?
I've had one in-depth session with it indoors against the Trackman, and honestly, the results weren't great. I've been holding off doing the review until I can do it again and see if it was a setup issue or something else causing the results to be more variable than I was expecting. I was also thinking it really only need 8 feet behind and 8 feet in front of the ball indoors. But when using the app, it seemed to ideally want 10 feet both directions - which is a lot of space. And where my Trackman setup is, I've barely got 16 feet total - so that might be part of the issue as well.
@breakingeighty thanks for the update, been debating between FullSwing, meevo +, and skytrak+ but mostly between FS and meevo + because I wanted indoor and range use so I may have to just get the meevo +. I also like the gc3 but at essentially double the price of the meevo+ with all the add-ons it's still a tough sell. Thanks again for the update!
@@jdog8701 Yeah my quick thoughts are if you just want outdoors on the range, and ease of use - I like the Full Swing best for that.
If you want a simulator at home that you're going to leave there, I'd prob go SkyTrak+.
If you want ultimate versatility and a more professional feeling system, the Mevo+ is fantastic.
The major question I'd have for you is whether or not you hit off grass at your range - if so, then I'd rule the SkyTrak out. If you're on mats, it becomes a tougher choice.
@breakingeighty I go to mostly grass ranges so I've been leaning toward meevo+ and it seems you'd agree since I'm looking for both indoor and range use. I appreciate all the feedback.last question if you don't mind would be is the gc3 really worth double the meevo+ price? I don't know if I can talk myself into that price point but just curious your thought on that
@@jdog8701 This is a little bit older so doesn't include some updates to both, but overall is still pretty much accurate: th-cam.com/video/oODSxEJsurk/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=BreakingEighty%7CHonestGolfReviews
The Launch Pro is the exact same as GC3, just has subscription model instead. GC3/LP is easier to setup, built-in screen is nice, and FCX Play is my fave simulator software. But Mevo Plus has no subscription, more data points, and MUCH better software. Again, kinda just depends on what you need/value most. But both are great.
Is it $200 subscription per year?
Yes, first year is free though
I own this but don't plan to keep the $200 annual subscription.
It will become a paperweight , modern though
Definitely worth the resub because it basically just gives you numbers and tracer. The updates are making it better and better as well.
I sold mine it was dreadful.
How is the Garmin launch monitor?
This is more accurate since it measures spin axis so you have accurate shot shape into a net. It also has the two cameras and tons of awesome features. It keeps getting better as well.
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The Software as a service on this device is simply not worth it. i bought the MLM2 and with a price of 199 dolar i would have paid the device twice within 3 years. and the software is bad, i never used their built in simulator or driving range, never once. so why pay for it. but you have to pay 199 dollar in order to use third party software, that on also have to pay for. go for a better devicde, or wait for the new devices coming out, which are subscription free.
Subscription? NO THANKS.
Almost all units have some sort of subscription lol
@@dustinlittle3099 Until one doesn't, which is imminent, then it's game over 😭😭😭
For people in the north using it only 6 months a yr subscriptions are a complete ripoff.
This device can be used indoor and out. Making it a 12 month option for the northerners whose golf seasons are cut short by cold weather!
@@Rapsodo you're making the assumption that we all have access to indoor golf. NOT!
Doesn't work w Android
Yes it does...
That's wild. I have a samsung galaxy and happen to use this daily... why even lie?
Short chip shot is a mess…Considering low end launch monitor garmin R10 is much better reading chip shots
Paid opinion…
My unpaid opinion is very similar to this.
I had to pay $700 to give my opinion and I also agree with @@JLeeGolf
@@JLeeGolf Fire response. As for you Miguel... smh
@@Rapsodo so when can we discuss when the unpaid opinion becomes the paid opinion? 👀