I recall watching a video where a US soldier stated one of his favorite things about AK's was the fact he could take a mag off the gun a beat some one to death with it.
youre not joking, russian cigarettes were made in 7.62 mil so the machinery could be converted over to making ammunition if need be, heck even their car factorys were designed to be easily convertible to making APCs
Your generic eastern euro mag looks Romanian. It has the back rib so it's not Chinese, two tack welds at the front locking lugs is usually the giveaway. East German mags are typically finer quality than that and have a fairly rich bluing. Yugo mags are easy to identify by looking at the follower, which will have a little lobe extension to lock the bolt to the rear after firing. Romanian mags also have a number of spot welds on the back rib that are similar to what you've got. The dead giveaway is usually arsenals would stamp the ribs on the back of the mags for other manufacturers.
Probably someone dyed them, I've heard and read about some experimental colored bakelite mags from Russia but I don't think they were ever manufactured in any large numbers, if you're seeing them in the USA they're probably fake.
I remember as a child back in the early seventies looking at a color cover photograph on an Italian magazine of an African (probably Ethiopian or Sudanese) woman holding an AK rifle equiped with a bakelite magazine as a flie covered child was next to her grabbing her robe. Back then I was totally in the dark in regards to guns and I wondered for years what that orange mag was made of or why it was painted orange...
I've had a similar experience, and eventually came to the conclusion that these were regular magazines wrapped in packing tape... Funny to think about it now
Having spent 7 years in my life as a gardener, you come to realize how absolutely horrible a all-steel tool is to use without some kind of wood or plastic/rubber covering.
Silly you got my comment completely backwards. I was pointing out that they would be nicer to your hands than metal in cool weather. I've found the same thing as a photographer. My aluminum tripod is murder in cold weather. Which is why I added foam sleeves to the legs.
@@mrguiltyfool Chinese ones are not hard to find (usually are flat-backs), but there is a specific type that is wholly constructed of stamped parts, nothing is milled, which are really interesting. I have one of these that came from Yugoslavia.
@Mario Jurjević I'm Australian, so unless I e s c a p e, I'll probably never even fire one, though statistically and aesthetically the m70 seems like a better made weapon
@@plague46 well since the russian "zaslon" special forces use 7.62x39 drum mags to this day - they seem to be very effective. I'd guess the reliability issues stem from the fact that most american import drums are old, have been used for ages thus having weak springs. That's the same reason people call Luger P08 mags trash. They are not trash - the springs are just old.
@@Oberkommando Hmm. Interesting. Oddly similar to why American soldiers have issues with their M16/M4 rifles. Fragile mags plus old springs and worn out parts. If the magazine isn't 100%, you're always gonna have problems.
Suspect an added bonus to the plastic mags is if it did get enough pressure to be damaged it'd just snap and be obviously broken instead of bending and then maybe feeding.
I love how they colored the mags to be like the wood stock on the guns. Also, only Ian will go into depth over things like gun magazines, you are truly a well-informed and asset to gun history and studies.
IN Bulgaria we have all of the types. I have use only the steal and both Bakelite as well as 40 rounds mag for RPK. The first type and the aluminum I only see on ceremonial rifles.
Deliberate or not, it is a result of poorly mixed polymer ingredients. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bakelite_color_chart_1924_Gifts_to_Treasure_Embed_Art_Company_Jewel_only.tif en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakelite#Phenolic_sheeten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakelite en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenol_formaldehyde_resin
Thanks for clarifying! I actually used to think that the magazines were encased in thin sheets of wood because it fits the AK color pattern. It's just that they even have the typical wood patterns.
I wondered too if it was accident or chance. But I like the 7's veneer explanation best iatsd! Thanks for the info all of you. NB - Bakelite does not have an R in it ;-)
Well it does look exactly like Bakelite and from what people who've handled em have said it even feels like Bakelite (the combination of texture, heat transfer, and way it gives is very much like Bakelite) so the error isn't unjustified.
Fiberglass! Now we’re talking the 60s and real polymers: vinyl, nylon, dacron, acetates. A whole new world and they haven’t even substituted any hydrogens with chlorides and fluorides, yet!
TheTaconator123 - Wanting an AK is a rational thought. Wanting anything made out of Bakelite? No. Google it. Talk to owners who value function over nostalgia. Bakelite meant it was time to develop polymers and stop trying to perfect plastic. Diallyl Phthalate (DAP) replaced Bakelite on the newly introduced home telephones.
@@caseyjoanz Not a single mag for an AK where made out of bakelite in the USSR/Russia. Steel, aluminum, non dyed or dyed fibre-reinforced polymer (FRP) only.
Thank you. This is all the information about AK mags i needed to know. I will likely never own or use an AK or any other gun. But it was an nteresting and informative watch.
My father who had mandatory military training in he hungarian army said, that the bakelite magazines were 'throwable' but they had to keep the steel magazines to use them.
East germany did also use bakelite mags for 5.45x39 aks. But we used different ak types at the same time. Besides the AK47, we also had the KM-72, the east german successor to the AKM in service. It was chambered in 7,62x39. So, on pictures from the early 80s you see both mag types, because different calibers were in use. But later, in the late 80s, only the border guards used the KMS-72. All other Units were equipped with AK-74N, AkS-74 and AKS-74NK (The east german PDW).
So if we're talking the AKM, that means Soviets adopted these around 1965-1970, which would mean they adopted polymer mags before pretty much anyone else. That's pretty far forward thinking on their part. And it does make sense, since all Russian made mags and drums are polymer, and are considered the best to own in the Eastern Bloc.
Another advantage that the plastic bodied magazine has over a metal one is when you dink your magazines against something hard. If you have a metal magazine, you can slightly dent it so that it doesn't really like to feed that well but still look kind of working, causing unforeseen jams during battle. In the other hand the plastic magazine either basically always works in that regard or it is completely obliterated.
You're right. These polymer mags would've been in trials in 1967 and adopted in 1969, for the AKM, which would place them REALLY far ahead of the curve.
pay attention to the lugs, there are some out there especially the all polymer Bulgarian 40 rounders where the front lug of the magazine goes all the way across and needs to have the edges trimmed to look like these
from zenitco: "The (former KGB) border guards of the then Soviet Union, now Russian Federation, are rewarded special green-furniture AKM's and AK-74's for exceptional service". basically borderguard ak furniture.
@@DennyCigano Soviet mags are better. A synthetic material AK mag that doesn't have steel locking lugs and reinforced feed lips means it's sub-par. The Bulgarian circle 10 mags are pretty much the gold standard for what modern AK mags should look like. I believe they even have steel re-enforcing strips that run down the front (possibly back) of the mags as well. At a bare minimum, the locking lugs and feed lips need steel in them, otherwise, one good wack on something and the plastic is going to break. Polymer rock and lock AK mags are not as easy to make as AR mags.
Great video! From having owned a number of 7.62 AKs, there are a surprising number of 7.62 AK magazine variants out there. There's another kind not touched on here: Chinese. They're just like the Eastern European, but with no rib on the spine (flat back), so a little easier on the thumb. They also seem to have slightly better fit and finish.
In the finnish military we were frying sausages on top of the RK mag springs 😂 those are also plastic mags but they have an enforcing pattern like those metal ones.
Could you do a video on the AN-94? Maybe its not forgotten but its a very interesting gun, and maybe i would actually understand how it works if you explained it haha
There's just something charming about the colored bakelite mags. A little tacky, a little retro, but charming. Unfortunately, my 5.56 Arsenal Inc. doesn't have the option of using them.
Bakelite is Fenal and formaldehyde. You need to add other chemicals to make this violent chemical reaction stable, put it in a bakelizer, and then the finish product is a "Glass Resin" polymer.
Would love to see a video on the AEK-971 or the AK-12 if you ever get the chance. Not exactly forgotten because of video games it would be really cool to see them
love those steel 30 rnd tantal mags for the 5.45 . kinda have good service from promags 40 rd plastic waffles for the 545 also.. they have two magazine follower lips molded into them where you can cut down a 40 to a 30 and even a 20 ish rnd mag just by cutting just below the edge.. 40 rnd mags are a Lil tall for the range and the bench or prone. . dirt cheap and reliable. the bakelite 45s are just too nice to beat on so I try to limit the use.
Когда я служил то мы старались ходить с оранжевыми магазинами-обойма, железные носили новобранцы. А алюминиевые да, для войск ВДВ выпускались облегченные на АК-47, АКМ. потом стали выпускать пластиковые
heh, took me until the very end of the video to figure out that thing moving on the lower left of the wide shots was (i think) the arm of your chair! (it kept looking like a shoe, and i was all "how the hell is a shoe floating randomly up off the floor like that??) also, i was of course thinking "daaaaamn, Ian kicks out some goddamn awesome content!" :-)
Forgotten Weapons - the magazine you didnt know from which country is, is from Yugoslavia/Serbia. They developed this magazine for their Zastava M70 rifles. These magazines also hold bolt open in rear position, when the last shot is fired.
+Forgotten Weapons What are the dimensions ( height, width, and depth ) of 30 round AK47/AKM mags? I moved to a different state and, with so much stuff to pack on the first run, I brought my AKMs and forgot the box of mags ( and never bothered to measure them ). With me in the middle of middle age, I,m going to chest rigs ( lighter than plate carriers ) and I'm looking order stuff like 200 round SAW gunner pouches ( looking to fit 6 30s in those ) and other, various pouches I can MOLLE on. I noticed in the vid, and with my AK mags of various countries, that size varies. Thanks if you can answer
Cool video and very informative. One minor thing though, when discussing the differences in weight between items such as this, as much as you did, it would be handy and interesting if you had a digital scale to illustrate the difference in weight between the different magazines. It would helps make it more tangible for we the viewers versus the very subjective terms used in the video. It is a minor point and suggestion. Love the channel and you make amazing videos. Keep up the great work. :)
Great Video Ian!.. I have One of Those Exact Same Heavy Duty Ribbed Mags! the 0 stamp identified it! mine is Polish & Came a with my C11 Polish Parts kit Akms! Great Gun! Great Mag!.. Thanks For The info! Have a Great Day & God Bless You Brother!.
I saw some slab side mags for sale for a very good price a few years ago, but was too slow to get them. The reds keep trickling in and some online sellers have them for sale right now (Dec 2016).
I mean, it kinda makes sense why the Russians went with the polymer despite cost. The constant cold of the country plus the lightweight was probably really popular with the troops. Just seems logical to me I dont actually know anything so dont yell at me.
Fun fact the slab mags sides are the same thickness (1mm) as the standard stamped AK receiver
For those extra special field repairs
wild50gunner That's weirdly satisfying
@Rochyan Not just field repairs when you run out of ammo you can use those magazines as a makeshift baton.
So basically,the steel slab one stops a 9mm.Nice...lol
Grassmasks greatest champion ouch..
I recall watching a video where a US soldier stated one of his favorite things about AK's was the fact he could take a mag off the gun a beat some one to death with it.
The image of Polenar Tactical's Manca beating the mannequin with one instantly pops out in my brain, lol
Tape a grenade to it, boom, stielhandgrenada
They are heavy as hell with rounds on them so I believe it.
Knowing Russians it was thick steel at first so the spare ones could be later converted into tanks.
Infernal969 Funny (I'm Russian)
magazines so strong they were added to the armor on tanks
youre not joking, russian cigarettes were made in 7.62 mil so the machinery could be converted over to making ammunition if need be, heck even their car factorys were designed to be easily convertible to making APCs
same legend was about 7.62 macaroni pasta
Cigarettes, yeah. The same rumor goes about the Soviet pasta. That's bullshit.
Your generic eastern euro mag looks Romanian. It has the back rib so it's not Chinese, two tack welds at the front locking lugs is usually the giveaway. East German mags are typically finer quality than that and have a fairly rich bluing. Yugo mags are easy to identify by looking at the follower, which will have a little lobe extension to lock the bolt to the rear after firing. Romanian mags also have a number of spot welds on the back rib that are similar to what you've got. The dead giveaway is usually arsenals would stamp the ribs on the back of the mags for other manufacturers.
In publication no, but I know AK mags, I've collected them for years and I know what I buy when I buy it.
I'm pretty good with Chinese, and I know the Yugo mags, but the others are too similar for me (for now).
Will Moon what do you think of the green Bakelite mags that we're going round recently? Scam or legit?
Probably someone dyed them, I've heard and read about some experimental colored bakelite mags from Russia but I don't think they were ever manufactured in any large numbers, if you're seeing them in the USA they're probably fake.
Will Moon I have couple Chinese mags with rib back and matte finish. Can tell Chinese from the triangle 66 mark. Very interesting pieces.
I remember as a child back in the early seventies looking at a color cover photograph on an Italian magazine of an African (probably Ethiopian or Sudanese) woman holding an AK rifle equiped with a bakelite magazine as a flie covered child was next to her grabbing her robe. Back then I was totally in the dark in regards to guns and I wondered for years what that orange mag was made of or why it was painted orange...
I've had a similar experience, and eventually came to the conclusion that these were regular magazines wrapped in packing tape... Funny to think about it now
i always tought they were made of copper
Painted orange because of Health and Safety Regulations. xD
When I was a noob I was convinced that they paint magazines orange to make them easier to find when dropped on the ground :P
i know but i just couldn't imagine a magazine not made out of some kind of metal. :D
I'd imagine the polymer mags would be nicer to handle in harsh winter conditions as well.
Scott Verge they would become a little brittle in extreme cold but they would not freeze to your hands lol
Having spent 7 years in my life as a gardener, you come to realize how absolutely horrible a all-steel tool is to use without some kind of wood or plastic/rubber covering.
Silly you got my comment completely backwards.
I was pointing out that they would be nicer to your hands than metal in cool weather.
I've found the same thing as a photographer. My aluminum tripod is murder in cold weather. Which is why I added foam sleeves to the legs.
LazyLife IFreak see any combat?
dranomilkshake
Nope thou I have worked under some of the same conditions at least weather-wise. Cold, wet hands on all-metal rake is god awful.
All that line up need is the green bakelite magazine.
Do you have a Chinese all-stamped or Bosnian two-rib/Fleur-de-lis?
@@davidokeif8304 i think you can easily found chinese ones in Canada
@@mrguiltyfool Chinese ones are not hard to find (usually are flat-backs), but there is a specific type that is wholly constructed of stamped parts, nothing is milled, which are really interesting. I have one of these that came from Yugoslavia.
Green magz are only for FSB border guard vets.
PS. There were never any magazine made of a bakelite in the USSR/Russia.
Wake up to take a piss and now I'm forced to watch this. God damnit Ian
Just don't check your phone when you take a piss at night, go right to the potty and then go right back to bed.
TMI!
why not do both at once?
+John Floyd congrats
John Floyd I hope I'm as high speed as you one day
Funny, I remember arguing about who gets to carry the Bakelite mags. When you have to carry 4 of them for long periods of time the difference is huge.
It must've been a historical 1st ,when the Soviet military said " Yup those slab sided Magazines are too robust and durable" !
When gun Jesus gets kicked out of the auction house so he has to go to a gun store and review gun magazines.
I'm from Russia, Izhevsk, and it's cool and weird in some way to see magazines from Izhevsk in USA.
I like seeing comments like this.They make the internet cooler. Zdravstvuyte from Vermont,USA.
The second magazine is for a Yugoslav zastava M-70.
Let's all agree it's for a Bulgarian Zastava ;)
@Mario Jurjević I'm Australian, so unless I e s c a p e, I'll probably never even fire one, though statistically and aesthetically the m70 seems like a better made weapon
@@user_name_redacted escape to Texas
waffles, slabs of meat and baked goods.....DAMMIT IAN now I'm hungry!
DeanmC261993 Ribbs should also be included in the title of this video.
DeanmC261993 and they're all bananas...
I'd be very interested in seeing another video on drum magazines.
Indeed
You mean jamazines.
@@plague46 IZ WONDERFUL COMMUNIST INVENTION, DO NOT QUESTION COMRADE.
@@plague46 well since the russian "zaslon" special forces use 7.62x39 drum mags to this day - they seem to be very effective.
I'd guess the reliability issues stem from the fact that most american import drums are old, have been used for ages thus having weak springs.
That's the same reason people call Luger P08 mags trash. They are not trash - the springs are just old.
@@Oberkommando Hmm. Interesting. Oddly similar to why American soldiers have issues with their M16/M4 rifles. Fragile mags plus old springs and worn out parts. If the magazine isn't 100%, you're always gonna have problems.
Incredible information on the Bakelite! Finally, I understand why it not only costs more but why it even exists.
1500 likes and 0 dislikes. A very informing video as always. Thank Ian
Now it's 27 dislikes
@@freshmemeington4128 now it's 34 to over 8k likes^^
Now its no dislikes again
@@legil2954 lololol
8:34 is that a shoe?
That's the armrest of my chair.
hahaha
Whitefang8128 😂
Electric Avenue shoe.
Thanks Ian. I did not know the many variations. Now I can buy a plastic one and not worry.
watch out for some of the black plastic mags - especially pro mags
Suspect an added bonus to the plastic mags is if it did get enough pressure to be damaged it'd just snap and be obviously broken instead of bending and then maybe feeding.
Generic Eastern European AK Magazine(TM): _Ribbed for her pleasure_
Stop. Cease. Halt.
I love how they colored the mags to be like the wood stock on the guns. Also, only Ian will go into depth over things like gun magazines, you are truly a well-informed and asset to gun history and studies.
J
They need to have a TV series "to catch a thumbs-downer" I want to know what these people look like.
Great video as always Ian, you the man :)
I ordered a flat bottom NOS Tula Bakelite and I can’t wait for it to come in.
Как и всегда, великолепный эпизод! Спасибо!
Indeed
For sure sir
I love the look of the bakelite magazines. I need to hunt some down.
-Jen
IN Bulgaria we have all of the types. I have use only the steal and both Bakelite as well as 40 rounds mag for RPK.
The first type and the aluminum I only see on ceremonial rifles.
First types are rare. Aluminum are too fragile.
cherniqhs болгарин,ты по-русски понимаешь ?
@@Nick_Dobru I understand a lot , can read a bit but unfortunately can't speak it
cherniqhs that’s cool, and I’m also can read in Bulgarian
cherniqhs do you have an ak rifle ?
So is there a reason why these bakelite magazines look like wood?
_A E S T H E T I C_
Deliberate or not, it is a result of poorly mixed polymer ingredients.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bakelite_color_chart_1924_Gifts_to_Treasure_Embed_Art_Company_Jewel_only.tif
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakelite#Phenolic_sheeten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakelite
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenol_formaldehyde_resin
iatsd,
pray tell the grades of plastic used.
Thanks for clarifying! I actually used to think that the magazines were encased in thin sheets of wood because it fits the AK color pattern. It's just that they even have the typical wood patterns.
I wondered too if it was accident or chance. But I like the 7's veneer explanation best iatsd! Thanks for the info all of you. NB - Bakelite does not have an R in it ;-)
I wondered about the orange mags Now I know
Thank you. So many guys say "bakelite" and think they're actually made of that.
Well it does look exactly like Bakelite and from what people who've handled em have said it even feels like Bakelite (the combination of texture, heat transfer, and way it gives is very much like Bakelite) so the error isn't unjustified.
@@D8W2P4 Real old Bakelite has much darker color and has no fiberglass in it.
Fiberglass! Now we’re talking the 60s and real polymers: vinyl, nylon, dacron, acetates. A whole new world and they haven’t even substituted any hydrogens with chlorides and fluorides, yet!
Индекс ГРАУ магазинов Автомата Калашникова:
6Л10 - магазин для автоматов 6П1, 6П4 (соответственно АКМ, АКМС)
6Л18 - магазин для пулеметов 6П18, 6П19, 6П39 (45 патронов, изготовлен из материала АГ-4) (соответственно РПК74, РПКС74, РПК74М)
6Л20 - магазин для автоматов 6П20, 6П21, 6П26, 6П33 (30 патронов, изготовлен из материала АГ-4) (соответственно АК74, АКС74, АКС74У, АН-94)
6Л23 - магазин для автоматов 6П20, 6П21, 6П26, 6П33 (30 патронов, изготовлен из материала ПС6) (соответственно АК74, АКС74, АКС74У, АН-94)
6Л26 - магазин для пулеметов 6П18, 6П19, 6П39 (45 патронов, изготовлен из материала ПС6) (соответственно РПК74, РПКС74, РПК74М)
6Л29 - магазин для автоматов 6П43, 6П44 (30 патронов) (соответственно АК101, АК102)
6Л31 - магазин для автоматов 6П20, 6П21, 6П26 (60 патронов) (соответственно АК74, АКС74, АКС74У)
6Л33 - магазин для пулемета 6П8М (соответственно РПКМ (РПК-203))
ГОСТ АГ-4 - материал прессовочный на основе модифицированной фенолоформальдегидной смолы (бакелит/карболит) в качестве связующего и стеклянных нитей в качестве наполнителя.
ГОСТ ПС6 - материал прессовочный на основе полиамидных пластических масс в качестве связующего и стеклянных нитей в качестве наполнителя.
lik-o-dil-es.blogspot.com/2018/10/vidy-magazinov-dlya-avtomata-kalashnikova.html
www.ag-4v.ru/ag-4v/character/
I just watched this now i want ak mags i don't even own an ak Dammit Ian
TheTaconator123 - Wanting an AK is a rational thought. Wanting anything made out of Bakelite? No. Google it. Talk to owners who value function over nostalgia. Bakelite meant it was time to develop polymers and stop trying to perfect plastic.
Diallyl Phthalate (DAP) replaced Bakelite on the newly introduced home telephones.
Do you own a AK now?
@@caseyjoanz Not a single mag for an AK where made out of bakelite in the USSR/Russia. Steel, aluminum, non dyed or dyed fibre-reinforced polymer (FRP) only.
i'm 14 and i've only held a gun once
Thank you. This is all the information about AK mags i needed to know. I will likely never own or use an AK or any other gun. But it was an nteresting and informative watch.
Plum mags have the added capability to make one cream their pants.
My father who had mandatory military training in he hungarian army said, that the bakelite magazines were 'throwable' but they had to keep the steel magazines to use them.
i loved this video and would like to see a similar video with AR mags if that's at all possible.
Thanks Ian.
"You see comrade, you must make sure that your enemies are well fed with breakfast if you are to win a war".
0:47 for -6.5 seconds I thought you said slav side magazines
East germany did also use bakelite mags for 5.45x39 aks. But we used different ak types at the same time. Besides the AK47, we also had the KM-72, the east german successor to the AKM in service. It was chambered in 7,62x39. So, on pictures from the early 80s you see both mag types, because different calibers were in use. But later, in the late 80s, only the border guards used the KMS-72. All other Units were equipped with AK-74N, AkS-74 and AKS-74NK (The east german PDW).
AK mags are what sparked my interest with firearm history and started my collection.
So you just collect and don't fire with them?
So if we're talking the AKM, that means Soviets adopted these around 1965-1970, which would mean they adopted polymer mags before pretty much anyone else. That's pretty far forward thinking on their part. And it does make sense, since all Russian made mags and drums are polymer, and are considered the best to own in the Eastern Bloc.
Love me some bakelite mags on a Krink!
LGR would go nuts about the wood grain like pattern on that AK-74 mag.
Absolutely fascinating.
When I was a kid I thought that these Bakelite magazines were made of wood.
Another advantage that the plastic bodied magazine has over a metal one is when you dink your magazines against something hard.
If you have a metal magazine, you can slightly dent it so that it doesn't really like to feed that well but still look kind of working, causing unforeseen jams during battle.
In the other hand the plastic magazine either basically always works in that regard or it is completely obliterated.
Over a thousand likes without any dislikes? AK magazines must be popular!
Oh, we finally got the 1 mongoloid that has to thumbs down any video!
Toby Wood I mean AK mags are pretty sweet.
Awesome video! Can you please do a similar video about all the different G3 magazines?
its not just a magazine, its a weapon, and a toookl
pretty advanced magazines
You're right. These polymer mags would've been in trials in 1967 and adopted in 1969, for the AKM, which would place them REALLY far ahead of the curve.
pay attention to the lugs, there are some out there especially the all polymer Bulgarian 40 rounders where the front lug of the magazine goes all the way across and needs to have the edges trimmed to look like these
i have 3 of the 40 round bakelite mags in my collection. :) had four but i gave one to a friend a few years back
Ian, are you going to talk about the unicorn 5.45 quad stack "coffin" mags? Surefire did a pretty good job copying them.
do you have any information available on the green 5.45 mags?
Nope.
militarist.ua/catalog/weapon-accessories/magaziny-oruzheynye/ukr-sdmag-magazin-ak74/ - upgraded soviet mag
from zenitco: "The (former KGB) border guards of the then Soviet Union, now Russian Federation, are rewarded special green-furniture AKM's and AK-74's for exceptional service".
basically borderguard ak furniture.
@@DennyCigano Soviet mags are better. A synthetic material AK mag that doesn't have steel locking lugs and reinforced feed lips means it's sub-par. The Bulgarian circle 10 mags are pretty much the gold standard for what modern AK mags should look like. I believe they even have steel re-enforcing strips that run down the front (possibly back) of the mags as well. At a bare minimum, the locking lugs and feed lips need steel in them, otherwise, one good wack on something and the plastic is going to break. Polymer rock and lock AK mags are not as easy to make as AR mags.
Those are current modern Russian army mags permitted for purchase.
I find the Chinese all stamped AK mag to be one of the most interesting. Got one about eleven years ago when one place online was selling bulk packs.
Are you going to do a series on AK mags? That'd be cool
Great video! From having owned a number of 7.62 AKs, there are a surprising number of 7.62 AK magazine variants out there. There's another kind not touched on here: Chinese. They're just like the Eastern European, but with no rib on the spine (flat back), so a little easier on the thumb. They also seem to have slightly better fit and finish.
I always wanted to know what the differences between AK mags were about, thanks for making a vid about it
I'd like to see more magazine videos like this one.
Fantastic video. Thanks for the education 👍
In the finnish military we were frying sausages on top of the RK mag springs 😂 those are also plastic mags but they have an enforcing pattern like those metal ones.
Could you do a video on the AN-94? Maybe its not forgotten but its a very interesting gun, and maybe i would actually understand how it works if you explained it haha
cool, finns also used those steel mags for rk-62 quite some time. Nowdays we use plastic ones insted.
Love your channel
There's just something charming about the colored bakelite mags. A little tacky, a little retro, but charming. Unfortunately, my 5.56 Arsenal Inc. doesn't have the option of using them.
I wanna see more magazine videos
There is an OTK stamp on
bakelite mag, which is Quality Control.
The second magazine is an Yugoslav Zastava M70 magazine.
Izmash “Izzy” 74 mags come with steel feed lips and steel locking lugs .... right???
Yes. The feed lips have polymer around them. Sometimes the lugs do, sometimes they don't.
Bakelite is Fenal and formaldehyde. You need to add other chemicals to make this violent chemical reaction stable, put it in a bakelizer, and then the finish product is a "Glass Resin" polymer.
Would love to see a video on the AEK-971 or the AK-12 if you ever get the chance. Not exactly forgotten because of video games it would be really cool to see them
Yup, I was using steel mag for kbk wz 88 Tantal
Circle 10 waffle are my favorite AK mags.
love those steel 30 rnd tantal mags for the 5.45 . kinda have good service from promags 40 rd plastic waffles for the 545 also.. they have two magazine follower lips molded into them where you can cut down a 40 to a 30 and even a 20 ish rnd mag just by cutting just below the edge.. 40 rnd mags are a Lil tall for the range and the bench or prone. . dirt cheap and reliable. the bakelite 45s are just too nice to beat on so I try to limit the use.
The 3rd mag is identical to mine romenian ak mag
Когда я служил то мы старались ходить с оранжевыми магазинами-обойма, железные носили новобранцы.
А алюминиевые да, для войск ВДВ выпускались облегченные на АК-47, АКМ. потом стали выпускать пластиковые
heh, took me until the very end of the video to figure out that thing moving on the lower left of the wide shots was (i think) the arm of your chair! (it kept looking like a shoe, and i was all "how the hell is a shoe floating randomly up off the floor like that??)
also, i was of course thinking "daaaaamn, Ian kicks out some goddamn awesome content!" :-)
subscribed for more awesome guns as well as your really professional and informed narration.
Used one of those polymer magazines when I was served last year. Pretty durable they are
Aluminum does oxidize similar to iron/steel. It's usually harder to notice and determine the depth of.
Great video Ian. Wunderbar!
I bought a slab side mag awhile back. Really wish I would've gotten two
I would like to have at least one. I really wish I would've gotten a warehouse full.
Forgotten Weapons - the magazine you didnt know from which country is, is from Yugoslavia/Serbia. They developed this magazine for their Zastava M70 rifles. These magazines also hold bolt open in rear position, when the last shot is fired.
love the "Bakelite" mags!
Wow you had “Vom Uhrsprung der Selbstladepistole” a year ago and reviewed it only recently!
+Forgotten Weapons What are the dimensions ( height, width, and depth ) of 30 round AK47/AKM mags? I moved to a different state and, with so much stuff to pack on the first run, I brought my AKMs and forgot the box of mags ( and never bothered to measure them ). With me in the middle of middle age, I,m going to chest rigs ( lighter than plate carriers ) and I'm looking order stuff like 200 round SAW gunner pouches ( looking to fit 6 30s in those ) and other, various pouches I can MOLLE on. I noticed in the vid, and with my AK mags of various countries, that size varies. Thanks if you can answer
Very informative! Thanks for posting!
Cool video and very informative. One minor thing though, when discussing the differences in weight between items such as this, as much as you did, it would be handy and interesting if you had a digital scale to illustrate the difference in weight between the different magazines. It would helps make it more tangible for we the viewers versus the very subjective terms used in the video.
It is a minor point and suggestion. Love the channel and you make amazing videos. Keep up the great work. :)
Would like a slab, waffle, and some Norinco bakes for the collection. Have plenty of Tula bales.
Great Video Ian!.. I have One of Those Exact Same Heavy Duty Ribbed Mags! the 0 stamp identified it! mine is Polish & Came a with my C11 Polish Parts kit Akms! Great Gun! Great Mag!.. Thanks For The info! Have a Great Day & God Bless You Brother!.
these videos are like being in school very educational but can sometimes get a little boring
Thermo-reactive plastic AG-4S and AG-4V (термо-реактивная пластмасса АГ-4С и АГ-4В): bakelite + fiberglass.
Was "robust" your word of the day or something?
Thanks for the info and mag breakdown, though. :D
i thought that the bakelite was wood at first lol
awesome Ian... thanks
I saw some slab side mags for sale for a very good price a few years ago, but was too slow to get them. The reds keep trickling in and some online sellers have them for sale right now (Dec 2016).
I like how the catch is steel unlike the crappy pmags for ARs.
God I love those plum mags.
Great explanation, thank you 👏
I mean, it kinda makes sense why the Russians went with the polymer despite cost. The constant cold of the country plus the lightweight was probably really popular with the troops. Just seems logical to me I dont actually know anything so dont yell at me.
A mag even a marine couldn't break.