Kyle spent so much money fixing the Range Rover he didn’t have enough for good straps. 🤣. J/k man another great video, you got a long trailer. Get some D rings welded on there for more securing options
Fun experiment! If the Rivian tows another Rivian, when you run out of power, you can swap out which truck tows which, and get right on your way - no charging station needed. Then, when charging, you power up both Rivians at the same time on different charging stalls. Now, the fun question becomes, how does total trip time and energy efficiency compare with having two Rivians take turns towing each other vs. having them drive separately? On the one hand, you have additional weight overhead from the trailer. On the other hand, you should theoretically have less combined air resistance. I would love to see Kyle conduct and experiment so we can find out.
Directly from the R1T manual: "The R1T can tow up to 11,000 lbs using a weight distributing hitch, and up to 5,000 lbs using a standard hitch." 9/10 times I see owners of light duty trucks towing 6,000+lb loads with normal hitches. With the loads you guys haul you should probably always use a weight distributing hitch.
@@brandenflasch he mentioned at 2:55 that he probably didn’t need one for this load as it was only 5,500 lbs. I see so many light duty truck owners towing 7-9,000lbs with a regular hitch. They’re not rated for that.
Being in Europe for the amount of time Kyle was there for and experiencing all the fantastic charging stations they have there then returning to the USA with our abysmal charging stations must feel like a kick in the balls. I imagine it's a similar feeling in regards to just paying for things in stores in EU vs USA as well.
If I would not live in Europe, but in the US, I would never consider buying an EV that’s not a Tesla, bc of the charging network. But maybe Tesla will open their Superchargers like they do here. And the Electrify America Network will improve, so my point won‘t exist no more in the future, sure thing. I love this channel, bc it‘s interesting to see when and how it will improve and if I can go there some time on holiday renting an EV.
If you think USA is abysmal have a look at how poor the charging infrastructure is in Western Australia. There are usually only 1 or 2 chargers at each location, so we are probably a decade behind!
electric towing isnt a problem...its the long distance that hits the problem zone. My specific example is a 2017 90d. with my travel Trailer i can go about 125 + on a full charge but then that is where the problem starts. To make it to the next supercharger you have to almost always charger to 100% and some distances are too much for tesla to tesla charger and must find other alternatives. All of the added time matters when on vacation :)
Txs as always for sharing Kyle. Glad you and others like you are first adopters. It's apparent that "EV theater" is far from prime time for years to come.
First, I love your videos! Literally all your testing, it's pretty awesome. Anyway the reason I wrote. I'd recommend you carrying a few traffic cones maybe at least 3-4 to mark along and at the end of the trailer, I'm not a lawyer, but I could see how that could help keep you out of legal trouble if someone hits the trailer while charging.
Re: Not easily finding the charging stations in parking lots… On my 5,500 mile cross country trip in my Model 3 SR+, I had this situation a few times. Tesla’s Navigation did an awesome job plotting my trip, SoC on arrival, time and % needed before moving on… but getting me to the supercharger sometimes was short of getting all the way to it. Solution: Apple Maps “Hey Siri navigate me to the Tesla supercharger in Grand Junction.” Maps would then give me precise turn by turn directions to the exact spot. Simple and it always worked.
DEFINITELY need a different strap situation. At bare minimum you need a tail strap to take more of the force while braking. Can recommend the straps that loop around the tire with a ring.
On the R1T there is no need to press the trip reset button multiple times. Touching the button just once is all that is needed, but the energy consumption will take a couple seconds to go to zero after that.
I admire your wish o keep your Range Rover in Great shape but why not convert it to Electric? There is a UK TH-camr who runs a shop where they convert classic cars into EV's. For the amount you spent you coulld be running on a virtually silent Range Rover ha could also Tow More, Go Off-roading without disturbing the wildLife, AND IN General, Drive GREENER!
We came through Wellington on Sunday and stopped at the ChargePoint to charge our Model Y and we had hoped you would be there charging ahead of some R1T testing. We still haven't seen one in person.
I have that same squeak, very noticeable in drive-thu like you said. If you get it fixed an update would be much appreciated! Keep the good stuff coming!
It’s fascinating how some “150kw” EA chargers (mainly the older ones) won’t even output 150kw, while others (mainly the new ones) will output over 170kw. Even on an 800V car.
Can you tow in conserve mode? Would you get better range? I understand its front wheel drive in conserve mode, but does the car even let you put it into that mode?
I have a 2500lb boat on a 500lb single axle trailer that I need to be able to tow 160 miles one way to the coast. Is this doable with current technology or should I wait for solid state/future batteries to make their way to Rivian?
You must have money flowing out of your pockets for such a hobby. Can’t imagine be attached so much to a car to do a total rehab so one can keep driving it. Then after spending $6K it dies. Should have sold it a the mechanic’s shop! Interesting on towing with the Rivian. Maybe you should stick to the Rivian as your base driving car. At least it’s still under warranty. What was the direction of the wind when you were hauling Judy? Wondering how it might a affected efficiency??
Good lord that tie down situation. buy a kit from macs tie downs please. comes with a bag to keep it all nice and neat in. super dangerous how you did it. edit: whew. ordered
I agree about the straps.. u end up slamming on those brakes, that range rover will def come loose...those straps aren't rated for that kind of weight.
Kyle…respectfully you need to educate yourself on how to properly tie down loads on a trailer. Both this and the water totes are not strapped properly. Love your videos and generally EV knowledge.
I get anxiety just by listening to Kyle dealing with the anxiety of charging, eating, disconnecting, reconnecting and so on just to travel a couple of hundred miles. I believe that electric technology is wonderful but for the amount of money and hassle it doesn't cut it for me yet.
Ik this just sounds like every other tesla fanboy but its a whole different experience with tesla, you just plug in and walk away thats it you dont have to do anything, we just charge at home so the night before i set the charge to 100 and when we wake up we pack the car then leave, we have a tesla model Y and we can drive from San Francisco area (where we live) to Lake tahoe in nevada which is about 240 miles. We arrive with 20-30% and just use the plug either in a garage at a house we stay at or a hotel charger and its so easy.
I road trip a fair amount with our Tesla Model 3 LR AWD, and Jake is right, the computer calculates all the navigation and charging stops etc. In dead winter here in Canada at the very worst I go two or three hours down the road, stop for 20 to 30 minutes and get a coffee and pee or watch YT videos or take a walk, and am off again. I hate Tesla but I have to admit, the road trip is totally fine. Kyle is going deep in the details and making it a little dramatic for views, which is understandable. But it's really no biggie in daily life.
That charge port door was a huge design mistake. What is wrong with a simple manually operated door? ICE cars all have manual doors and for the most part work flawlessly
I agree. At least Tesla's charge door is in the rear of the car and less susceptible to damage. Putting a charge pore in the front corner of an off roader is just asking for failure.
Besides your ‘tie-down’ integrity I was a bit concerned about your weight distribution. Looked like it could be unstable as your weight was slightly aft. See this TH-cam on trailer stability - th-cam.com/video/w9Dgxe584Ss/w-d-xo.html Glad you’re getting some proper ‘tie-downs’ but if you’re doing lots of vehicles a chock system would also be a good idea. Overall thanks for the channel though Kyle. Joining the EV myself very soon.
@@robertoconnor3683 Some small percentage of the weight will be transferred to the towing vehicle but with the load C of G forward of the trailer axle most of the weight is still taken by the trailer wheels.
just a suggestion if you're going to have a trailer parked up like that.... I would make the habit to put some witches hats along the sides and ends...there will be always some id10t issues....
It's simple. The electric providers want you to have an account so that they can have all of your personal information. That way they can get extra money from advertisers who flood your email inbox. 😏
@@JohnSmith-ug5ci There's no other reason. I can get food, out of a vending machine and pay for my laundry, at the laundromat, with a credit card. There's no practical reason that an electric vehicle charging station shouldn't work with a credit or debit card.
@@kennyfordham6208 first off your opinion is total assumption. Then on top of that you claim there is no other reason. So you make an assumption and then back it up with a falsehood. Yes there could be another reason.
Dang... the impatient me respects the patience of all EV users in the world. I can't fathom the time you have to wait to finish those charging times. Minutes add up to hours, hours to days, days to months, etc. For those times I could have already bought my dinner, took a peepee, bonded with my family.
Imagine all the time that you spend refueling at gas stations that EV users don’t ever have to do. Minutes add up to hours, hours add up to days, etc. Road trips represent such a small vehicle usage for the vast majority of people. For the length of my daily commute, I’d be at the gas station 3x per week. With an EV, I charge it overnight so I don’t have to waste time at the gas station every few days. People with no EV experience get so stuck on these mostly irrelevant talking points in a desperate effort to try and confirm their bias. It’s sad.
Towing with EV would be great ==if there was no diesel or gasoline. The charging infrastructure is so bad in this country. They are going to need so many pull thru chargers for all these Lightning and other ev trucks.
A Range Rover from 1991 that hasn’t exploded or completely turned to dust is definitely a classic. And a ticking time bomb (as Kyle is finding out). The fact that businesses can make a good living by working on *only* Land Rover shows how unbelievably unreliable and expensive they are. (Coming from someone who used to work on them)
Just keep an eye on your weight limits I thought it was only 1832 pounds , the Range Rover is 2.1 tons , plus trailer I think you were going unintentionally over weight
Driving that truck is like elderly people in a care home. Hoping you make it to the next bathroom before you have to go bad, and the relief when you actually make before the shit happens.
I'm sorry, but towing with an EV is just too much hard work, ICE is just sooo much more convenient. May be different in 20 years , but not workable now.
Ugly is in the eye of the beholder. I think it's "fine". But I think some other brands vehicles are ugly that other people think are some of the best looking vehicles around, so...
Update - the Range Rover is already broken down after 15 miles 🤣
That sucks
Nooooooo!
That's 12 miles more than I would have guessed.
Nooo! Judy!
Oh no, Big booty Judy!
Kyle spent so much money fixing the Range Rover he didn’t have enough for good straps. 🤣. J/k man another great video, you got a long trailer. Get some D rings welded on there for more securing options
Fun experiment! If the Rivian tows another Rivian, when you run out of power, you can swap out which truck tows which, and get right on your way - no charging station needed. Then, when charging, you power up both Rivians at the same time on different charging stalls.
Now, the fun question becomes, how does total trip time and energy efficiency compare with having two Rivians take turns towing each other vs. having them drive separately? On the one hand, you have additional weight overhead from the trailer. On the other hand, you should theoretically have less combined air resistance.
I would love to see Kyle conduct and experiment so we can find out.
The only building you can see from space is the Rang Rover spare parts building.
Directly from the R1T manual: "The R1T can tow up to 11,000 lbs using a weight distributing hitch, and up to 5,000 lbs using a standard hitch."
9/10 times I see owners of light duty trucks towing 6,000+lb loads with normal hitches. With the loads you guys haul you should probably always use a weight distributing hitch.
He was using one
@@brandenflasch he mentioned at 2:55 that he probably didn’t need one for this load as it was only 5,500 lbs. I see so many light duty truck owners towing 7-9,000lbs with a regular hitch. They’re not rated for that.
@@Armour783 Only Brain Dead Beer Drinkers would do that
@@Armour783 Yet the all are still alive and well. Weight distribution hitches are a scam and that's why you'll never se a 3/4 or 1 ton truck with one.
Might be a good idea to carry some cones for warning and to keep the back spots open to backup into. Love your videos.
Being in Europe for the amount of time Kyle was there for and experiencing all the fantastic charging stations they have there then returning to the USA with our abysmal charging stations must feel like a kick in the balls. I imagine it's a similar feeling in regards to just paying for things in stores in EU vs USA as well.
Hopefully we get more charging stations now🤞
If I would not live in Europe, but in the US, I would never consider buying an EV that’s not a Tesla, bc of the charging network. But maybe Tesla will open their Superchargers like they do here. And the Electrify America Network will improve, so my point won‘t exist no more in the future, sure thing.
I love this channel, bc it‘s interesting to see when and how it will improve and if I can go there some time on holiday renting an EV.
If you think USA is abysmal have a look at how poor the charging infrastructure is in Western Australia.
There are usually only 1 or 2 chargers at each location, so we are probably a decade behind!
electric towing isnt a problem...its the long distance that hits the problem zone.
My specific example is a 2017 90d. with my travel Trailer i can go about 125 + on a full charge but then that is where the problem starts. To make it to the next supercharger you have to almost always charger to 100% and some distances are too much for tesla to tesla charger and must find other alternatives. All of the added time matters when on vacation :)
When are we going to see an Out of Spec review of the R1S?
Txs as always for sharing Kyle. Glad you and others like you are first adopters. It's apparent that "EV theater" is far from prime time for years to come.
EA just installed those chargers at Target in Cast Rock. Happy there are more chargers in Colorado!
Tesla also has some low charge pet mode issues but it can always be activated via the app.
Kyle, convert it. Would be cool to have a conversion to test.
I wonder if Out of Spec and TFL ever crossed paths they’d have to battle for control of the greater Denver area
Why do I hear Kyle and Andre snapping?
Rap battle!
First, I love your videos! Literally all your testing, it's pretty awesome. Anyway the reason I wrote. I'd recommend you carrying a few traffic cones maybe at least 3-4 to mark along and at the end of the trailer, I'm not a lawyer, but I could see how that could help keep you out of legal trouble if someone hits the trailer while charging.
Re: Not easily finding the charging stations in parking lots… On my 5,500 mile cross country trip in my Model 3 SR+, I had this situation a few times. Tesla’s Navigation did an awesome job plotting my trip, SoC on arrival, time and % needed before moving on… but getting me to the supercharger sometimes was short of getting all the way to it. Solution: Apple Maps “Hey Siri navigate me to the Tesla supercharger in Grand Junction.” Maps would then give me precise turn by turn directions to the exact spot.
Simple and it always worked.
happy to hear your enthusiasm for RR. Afraid my recollection was RR is a problem child.
Looks like “something” or “someone” gave an intimate visit to the charge port door
DEFINITELY need a different strap situation. At bare minimum you need a tail strap to take more of the force while braking. Can recommend the straps that loop around the tire with a ring.
You do love your toys. Good for you.
On the R1T there is no need to press the trip reset button multiple times. Touching the button just once is all that is needed, but the energy consumption will take a couple seconds to go to zero after that.
I admire your wish o keep your Range Rover in Great shape but why not convert it to Electric? There is a UK TH-camr who runs a shop where they convert classic cars into EV's. For the amount you spent you coulld be running on a virtually silent Range Rover ha could also Tow More, Go Off-roading without disturbing the wildLife, AND IN General, Drive GREENER!
“..Electric trucks doing farm work can’t come soon enough”. Proceeds to purchase a gas guzzling Range Rover. 😆. Well played Kyle
Lol! The electric tractor.
Has to stop every hour to recharge.😏
Another California hypocrite.
@@BRYSEN22 unless you’re living off the land in a homestead on solar and grinding your own grain, we are all hypocrites.
@@PumpUptheJam81 not sure how that relates but, ok.
@@BRYSEN22 you’ll get it someday.
I never get the BMW badging thing. Those who know about cars will know it's not an M5 and those who don't won't care or know what it means anyways.
3:40 I recall a video of RJ (Rivian) showing the vehicle to Sandy Munro and him wincing when he was shown the charging port opening.
Nice set up, you may want to consider a tilt bed trailer on your next purchase.
Anybody else notice the tach on the RR didn't work??
Kyle your BMW comment was hilarious!
We came through Wellington on Sunday and stopped at the ChargePoint to charge our Model Y and we had hoped you would be there charging ahead of some R1T testing. We still haven't seen one in person.
I have that same squeak, very noticeable in drive-thu like you said. If you get it fixed an update would be much appreciated! Keep the good stuff coming!
Check out Mac’s Tie Downs, made is USA and can customize for your application.
@ 28:05, I wonder if I get could ever get away with parking a truck with trailer like that to charge, here in Southern Cal 😂
I have an extremely similar 10k car hauler with winch and the Andersen hitch. Love he hitch, hate that the axles on mine are too far back.
i have the same Andersen hitch on my 10k tandem trailer that weighs in at 3k lbs empty. nice WD hitch setup, and I've used a few.
It’s fascinating how some “150kw” EA chargers (mainly the older ones) won’t even output 150kw, while others (mainly the new ones) will output over 170kw. Even on an 800V car.
Happy to join you if you ever need some helping hands. I live in wellington. Haven't seen a rivian yet, got 1 on order. :)
This will be good practice because you ll be towing that rover allot
I enjoy the road trip vids.
Are we going to get an updated full charge curve with the latest Rivian software update? (Since it improves the charge curve.)
going down hill from Colorado Springs to Denver.
Looked to me you need to drop the hitch a little more to even out the trailer
Kyle, you said it may be better to end charging inside the Rivian. In your opinion is the the same with Teslas? Thank you.
Traffic cones might be useful.
Can you tow in conserve mode? Would you get better range? I understand its front wheel drive in conserve mode, but does the car even let you put it into that mode?
Great video. Imho the charging port door is over engineered. Nice truck otherwise.
I have a 2500lb boat on a 500lb single axle trailer that I need to be able to tow 160 miles one way to the coast. Is this doable with current technology or should I wait for solid state/future batteries to make their way to Rivian?
Fun fact Ranger Rovers broke down coming down the assembly line.
One of the most unreliable vehicles ever made.
Love towing with an EV!
You must have money flowing out of your pockets for such a hobby. Can’t imagine be attached so much to a car to do a total rehab so one can keep driving it. Then after spending $6K it dies. Should have sold it a the mechanic’s shop!
Interesting on towing with the Rivian. Maybe you should stick to the Rivian as your base driving car. At least it’s still under warranty. What was the direction of the wind when you were hauling Judy? Wondering how it might a affected efficiency??
Good lord that tie down situation. buy a kit from macs tie downs please. comes with a bag to keep it all nice and neat in. super dangerous how you did it. edit: whew. ordered
You know what they say....he who has the most toys wins. Independently wealthy is the way to go!
Try four straps one for each wheel
I agree about the straps.. u end up slamming on those brakes, that range rover will def come loose...those straps aren't rated for that kind of weight.
2 straps for the entire vehicle seems woefully inadequate.
@@rzu7120 dangerous and irresponsible
@@joelitespeed more money then brains?
Is it just me or is the frequency of ad’s getting to be a bit much… seemed like there was an ad every 2 minutes.
Kyle…respectfully you need to educate yourself on how to properly tie down loads on a trailer. Both this and the water totes are not strapped properly. Love your videos and generally EV knowledge.
It's taking you over an hour to charge up?
I get anxiety just by listening to Kyle dealing with the anxiety of charging, eating, disconnecting, reconnecting and so on just to travel a couple of hundred miles. I believe that electric technology is wonderful but for the amount of money and hassle it doesn't cut it for me yet.
Ik this just sounds like every other tesla fanboy but its a whole different experience with tesla, you just plug in and walk away thats it you dont have to do anything, we just charge at home so the night before i set the charge to 100 and when we wake up we pack the car then leave, we have a tesla model Y and we can drive from San Francisco area (where we live) to Lake tahoe in nevada which is about 240 miles. We arrive with 20-30% and just use the plug either in a garage at a house we stay at or a hotel charger and its so easy.
I road trip a fair amount with our Tesla Model 3 LR AWD, and Jake is right, the computer calculates all the navigation and charging stops etc. In dead winter here in Canada at the very worst I go two or three hours down the road, stop for 20 to 30 minutes and get a coffee and pee or watch YT videos or take a walk, and am off again. I hate Tesla but I have to admit, the road trip is totally fine. Kyle is going deep in the details and making it a little dramatic for views, which is understandable. But it's really no biggie in daily life.
"Electric trucks doing farm work." Hehe 🤭
That charge port door was a huge design mistake. What is wrong with a simple manually operated door? ICE cars all have manual doors and for the most part work flawlessly
Tesla has the same issue. Simplicity is key
I agree. At least Tesla's charge door is in the rear of the car and less susceptible to damage. Putting a charge pore in the front corner of an off roader is just asking for failure.
Same with BMW i4 you can turn on climate.
It took how many hours?
How is the maps and traffic data?
It probably would have been easier to have Alyssa come with you to pick up the RR, and drive it back home.
Based on the work it sounds like they have planned next, it may not be in a position to drive that many hours safely
Blacklion Tires baby
Said you would a large money pot !😁
Besides your ‘tie-down’ integrity I was a bit concerned about your weight distribution. Looked like it could be unstable as your weight was slightly aft. See this TH-cam on trailer stability - th-cam.com/video/w9Dgxe584Ss/w-d-xo.html
Glad you’re getting some proper ‘tie-downs’ but if you’re doing lots of vehicles a chock system would also be a good idea.
Overall thanks for the channel though Kyle. Joining the EV myself very soon.
Over the trailer wheels helps trailer distribute weight?
@@robertoconnor3683 Some small percentage of the weight will be transferred to the towing vehicle but with the load C of G forward of the trailer axle most of the weight is still taken by the trailer wheels.
The awkward moment when you google Kane's, and it comes up with that WWE wrestler.
That dang BMW just ruined Kyle's whole day. 😂
We need an Out of Spec Tesla Semi. I'll drive it, just to get more of them on the road.
just a suggestion if you're going to have a trailer parked up like that.... I would make the habit to put some witches hats along the sides and ends...there will be always some id10t issues....
Owners of Range Rovers are in for big maintenance bills. Not worth it in my opinion.
Any idea why the chargers have not been designed to take a credit card?
It's simple. The electric providers want you to have an account so that they can have all of your personal information.
That way they can get extra money from advertisers who flood your email inbox. 😏
@@kennyfordham6208 I do not believe that.
@@JohnSmith-ug5ci There's no other reason. I can get food, out of a vending machine and pay for my laundry, at the laundromat, with a credit card.
There's no practical reason that an electric vehicle charging station shouldn't work with a credit or debit card.
@@kennyfordham6208 first off your opinion is total assumption. Then on top of that you claim there is no other reason. So you make an assumption and then back it up with a falsehood. Yes there could be another reason.
@@JohnSmith-ug5ci Oh well, believe what you wish, but vending electricity shouldn't be any more complicated than vending any other service.
Dennis Reynolds is gonna be upset you stole his RR
Charging that thing is expensive 👀
Sounds like you have a bad strut.
"Quick"
"6 Hours"
🤣🤣
Dang... the impatient me respects the patience of all EV users in the world. I can't fathom the time you have to wait to finish those charging times. Minutes add up to hours, hours to days, days to months, etc. For those times I could have already bought my dinner, took a peepee, bonded with my family.
But but you can do all of that…from the scenic Walmart parking lot! LOL!
Imagine all the time that you spend refueling at gas stations that EV users don’t ever have to do. Minutes add up to hours, hours add up to days, etc.
Road trips represent such a small vehicle usage for the vast majority of people. For the length of my daily commute, I’d be at the gas station 3x per week. With an EV, I charge it overnight so I don’t have to waste time at the gas station every few days.
People with no EV experience get so stuck on these mostly irrelevant talking points in a desperate effort to try and confirm their bias. It’s sad.
Towing with EV would be great ==if there was no diesel or gasoline. The charging infrastructure is so bad in this country. They are going to need so many pull thru chargers for all these Lightning and other ev trucks.
No gasoline or diesel will be a reality in the future. Either that or we’ll just all be wiped off the earth by a catastrophic weather event.
Where does this guy get his money for all these vehicles and time?
I must have missed why he called her Judy. Every time I heard her call the land rover that all I kept hearing was miss Judy with the big booty.
Electric vehicles are not without their faults.
Neither are gas/diesel
1991 is classic now?... I'm from 1991.
I guess I'm an antique now, then...
A Range Rover from 1991 that hasn’t exploded or completely turned to dust is definitely a classic. And a ticking time bomb (as Kyle is finding out). The fact that businesses can make a good living by working on *only* Land Rover shows how unbelievably unreliable and expensive they are. (Coming from someone who used to work on them)
Range Rover’s have constant issues.
Just keep an eye on your weight limits I thought it was only 1832 pounds , the Range Rover is 2.1 tons , plus trailer I think you were going unintentionally over weight
It sounds like you are mixing up carrying capacity (load in the truck) with towing capacity. The Rivian can tow up to 11,000 pounds.
Seriously, maybe you need to go back to the horse and cart. Then wouldn't need the fuel.......
Bruh, another ICE vehicle? You’re regressing. The Sprinter I get but the RR 🤷🏾♂️
Driving that truck is like elderly people in a care home. Hoping you make it to the next bathroom before you have to go bad, and the relief when you actually make before the shit happens.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm sorry, but towing with an EV is just too much hard work, ICE is just sooo much more convenient. May be different in 20 years , but not workable now.
Charging electric cars so annoying so long
Not fan of it
one ugly truck
yeah those old rovers are certainly not designed for style! LOL
Ugly is in the eye of the beholder. I think it's "fine". But I think some other brands vehicles are ugly that other people think are some of the best looking vehicles around, so...
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I could lend you mine, you seem to have misplaced them.