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I am not an expert like you but have been following Chinese fighters for more than a decade. And I am pretty sure that KLJ-7 series of radars aren't installed on J-10, but they are installed in it's smaller sibling JF-17 thunder. The pictures you have shown of KLJ-7A radars is from an expo, there were 3 different antenna configurations of the same radar and one of them have been selected and being installed in JF-17 Block-3 fighters. J-10 uses similar technology in radars to KLJ-7 but it has slightly bigger antenna and more T/R modules than the JF-17's one. And yes it incorporates a sophisticated EW suite onboard. The large antenna in center behind the cockpit is datalink antenna and Pakistan is right now receiving it's deliveries of J-10CP from 7 production batches of J-10C. J-10CP has different data link antennas because PAF employees its own Link-17 data link. So you would find certain features common between J-10CP and JF-17. J-10CP is basically PLAAF J-10C with modifications as per PAF taste and requirements.
Wow! Really interesting! This civilian standard used for bus communication is quite surprising. Usually, military standards are more demanding in terms of safety and reliability. Again, a very good video. Thanks.👍
Radar of J10 is not KLJ7A. It was one of the radars among 2, built for JF 17 block 3. The other one is called LKF601e. Finally after extensive tests and evaluation, PAF chose KLJ7A for block 3. TR module numbers are also wrong. KLJ7A consist of not more then 700 modules as the RD93 engine of JF 17 can't provide power for more. KLJ7A also offer a realitivly less range for such a powerfull engine of J10C's WS 10B. The Radar of J10C is not yet declassified by Chinese but it is believed to have from 1000 to 1200 TR modules which perfectly fits along with the thrust numbers.
India got the delivery of rafale. Rafale isn't a beauty, it's a beast!! Beauties can't last in fighting 😂. J-10C is inferior to rafale in every single aspect!
I think the antenna behind the canopy is for data link with friendly units and AWACS, I can say this with high confidence because, the J10CP(pakistan variant) has a different antena behind the canopy, which I am assuming has been changed to interface with Pakistan's indigenous datalink (Link17) system. You can confirm this by looking at the pictures of the J10CP delivered to the PAF. The boxy device in the rudder is thought to be ECM/EW suite. But I cannot confirm this.
@@sidv4615 not with US planes, falcon still uses link 16. Link 17 is basically Chinese, although pakistanis love to call Chinese products as their own,it's not. Link 17 is only compatible with Chinese weaponry, f16 is not compatible with link 17.
I'm glad you are doing videos on the J-10. The J-10c is actually quite a formidable fighter jet in comparison to western fighter jets. The Chinese just keep improving at an exponential rate.
@@kingofgods-w3t Yeah it's better as a jet in terms of specs but the f 16s are super reliable,really old ones from the cold war era haven't broken down once.Not to mention the j 10c will probably be using SD 10s which means it's on the same level as the jf 17 as weopons lethality making the f 16 much better against India's super manuverable jets like the su 30 considering it has the amraam 120c which is better than the SD 10
@@sharequsman596 a mature design indeed, plus later models are quite up to date on capabilities. J10 seems to be a decent machine, i wonder if those chinese engines are long lasting.
you know, everyone always puts down the chinese underdog.... until actual usage happens of course. one example is how a militia unit from lebanon used a decades old chinese anti ship weapon offshore onto a nearby israeli modern corvette ship, and they damaged it, defeating that ship's defensive systems. to be arrogant in one's ability is to undermine one's own victory.
I liked the subscribing reminder, it's now like how some TH-camrs straight up beg for subscribers, yours was like a genuine reminder, without increasing 1 second of the video length
Off topic, but I do love the look of the Flanker. Don't know why, but I've always liked how it looks. It's probably the shape and placement of the air scoops.
Well, it's large, imposing yet elegant at the same time. Besides it has all these vibrant colors compared to NATO planes which are generally stuck with dull air superiority grey
They have KG600 ECM pods for JH7A, and J16 dedicated EW variant of Flanker copies... they also have this KG300 DECM pod they put on all their combat airframes usually...
All I really know about the J-10: it is worrisome. It appears to be a relatively inexpensive fighter aircraft which the Chinese can produce in large numbers quickly, and which appears to have at least parity with similar western configurations, but is undergoing continuous refinement and improvement. That we in the West are not in pursuit of an analogous fighter (with the shutdown of the F-16 program without a replacement) is troubling. The use of civilian standards in military aircraft, particularly for export use, is not unheard of. Knowing how military planners think, it is likely this use of ARINC is intended for export (as Sr. Ramos and others have suggested), and that it can be easily retrofitted/replaced by a more robust system for indigenous use.
I'm frustrated with my USA too.. but let me bring you a little peace of mind. IF we continue to ramp up production of the F-35 (and obviously if we don't all die in a nuclear fire, the Russian invasion will be an absolute boon for the MIC) we will be fine. For starters - attrition. For all the bellyache about the F-35, let's be practical; the entire aircraft is built around LO/LPI. Although better fighters may exist, none exist in sufficient numbers to overwhelm our inventory of F-35's. As long as we keep cranking them out, this will remain true. The F-35 is also fully capable of providing mid-course guidance to missiles launched by other assets, including AEGIS and THAAD, for which it can also provide critical data for a hi-res 3d target track which is essential for missile defense. That's a big fucking deal. Look, I think the F-22 is the best performing fighter the US has ever made, and along with the B-2, it is a very special weapon indeed. But logistics, availability, and of course politics matter too, and when those aspects are also factored in, the F-35 has the edge. Think about it. 700 F-35 or ~120ish combat-coded F-22? The F-35s are gonna get the job done, and be ready for more, over and over. The F-22 availability is gonna drop like a rock from the word go.
@@ray32245mv Unfortunately the biggest problem with the F22 had nothing to do with it's capabilities but it's inability to be upgraded. If the USA had allowed select nations to purchase the F22 I think they'd still be going strong, albeit that inability to be updated/upgraded is huge problem. Just look the pilots aren't able to utilise helmet mounted displays, and their datalinks cannot communicate to modern aircraft or other assets. It will be missed when it finally stops flying, like the A12 and SR71.
ARINC 429 is used because the PLAAF is regulatorily integrated into the civilian aviation network. Traditionally all Chinese aviation assets have been state-owned and dual-use, but dual-use cuts both ways. Just like how the airlines must make their aircraft available for the military to use, PLAAF also had to make their transport and cargo planes (and some special planes, like maritime patrol) available to the Chinese civilian aviation authority. A good example would be all the military transport planes used to transport volunteers to Wuhan at the start of the pandemic. Since all the military utility planes use ARINC 429, so do all the combat planes by extension. That said, the PLAAF does have their own digital databus and standards for their internal use.
Really like this channel and the videos, everyone is focused on the common interest in the airplanes and not on the politics. We have learned a lot about the planes here!
I was thinking that since China produces a great variety of electronic products for civilian use, Arinc 429 parts might already be available in the parts bin.
Maybe the use of ARINC is related to the export potential of the airframe? Using both an international standard and a civilian one at that, would make it very easy for any potential customer to access the skilled labor needed to maintain the systems. Maybe it also allows for the certification of non-Chinese inventory to be more easily certified, not a problem China has to deal with, but the other user of the J10 Pakistan, which has extensive amounts of French and US munitions, might find very useful. But this is pure speculation.
It is much much better than anything in Russian fleet which is operation... For example SU35 offer PESA radar which is an older technology while J10C offers an AESA radar which is a lot more advanced.
Compared with the French Rafale, the J-10c still has a certain gap, mainly because the Rafale body is larger and can accommodate more electronic equipment, but the French Rafale head is too small, which limits the diameter of the radar and affects the performance of the Rafale radar. The French Rafale The Meteor air-to-air missile is definitely not as good as the J-10's Thunderbolt 15, which has a range of about 300 kilometers.
that’s not true 300km is too much and rather useless! at that range the target could easily outmaneuver it! most fox 3 missiles are engaging under 70km even though they have 2 times more as their total range
@@masoudi1414 70km is pretty low for modren requiments also the way you talk about high range making it easy to maneuver makes me think u dont know how air to air missles track.All airforces trying to get hugh range missles
The new 6th gen jet USAAF designed, manufactured, and tested in 1 year is supposed to have that, UK RAF seem to also be doing something similar with their "Tempest Project" 6th gen interceptor; Roll Royce is cooperating with both USA and UK on the R&D of New age magnet Assisted Turbofans
@@EzraMerr Oh, that's brilliant! Now I'm imagining a shaft with electro-magnets attached alternating current to provide rotational torque on a shaft connected to the turbine. I wonder if you could also attach magnets in a dynamo configuration for electricity generation! Maybe you can use the same magnets?
The A's are suffering severe structural fatigue with many brittle areas that cannot be replaced economicly... no A will be upgraded in any way and all will be discarded (or given away) as soon as possible...
On a completely unrelated topic, I have a request for you. Can you make a video on anti-drone/drone detection systems, specially drone detection RADARs. Both current technologies and future developments. In this world, where drone warfare has become mainstream, this will be useful.
From my understanding, if China is willing to export it, they are pretty confident of it. Due to this kind of logic, J10C may not be inferior to Dassault Rafale, if not better.
@@ipsofactoraj come on, the data is all there, maybe review and compare it carefully with Rafale first before you make biased judgement. J10 is totally different from J10C, from inside to outside, it might be not better than Rafale but definetely a good reliable aircraft for Pakistan since They have to report to US everytime before they use F16 Block 52. Chinese make good products and cheap products, and it is so sad that you can only afford cheap ones in your life and that is why you think China can only produce cheap products.
@@theflyingdutchman4083 isn’t the last sentence truly reflective of China… I am certainly not convinced of an aircraft which has not seen any action made by a country whose claim to fame is photocopying other countries products. Let’s see how it performs if and when there is action
I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing the "blinking eye" watermark in certain parts of the video. It certainly distracted me a bit from the discussion and had to rewatch some sections
Very useful and informative video thanks. To your knowledge are the J10 -CEs, specifically those that have recently been inducted by the PAF (first export order and operator of this aircraft) equipped with the WS10 thrust vectoring variant engine?
I’m no expert. All I know is J10C, with its superior maneuvering capability and avi electronics with AESA diameter bigger than that of Rafael and PL15 and PL10 long range and middle range missiles, has won the Chinese Air Force Golden Helmet competition by beating J16, SU35, J11B 4-4.5G fighters. I don’t think J20 was part of that competition.
J20 is not supposed to "out-maneuver" fighters , the J20 (like an F22) are actually Interceptors and infiltration bombers, mostly for defense purposes rather than offense. They are supposed to not be detected from a long range but to detect and engage at a long range without engaging in a dogfight
@@EzraMerr Well, at least you know your topic unlike this Indian guy who mentioned those models where C2Y did not compare. C2Y guy only mentioned SU35 not SU57 or F22. 🤭👈
@@adakot123 In fact, Isreal secretly gave the design dossiers to Chinese as the part of the compensation because Isreal has to break a weapon deal between C/I due to the American pressure, I believe China was try to buy couple of C-17 from Israel and their already signed the contract, but Isreal has to cancel the contract because US said no, so the design of this Israel plane prototype was handed out to China along with other military aids. It is interesting that Israel doesn't have to design their own aircrafts because everything they need can be bought from America. J-10C is better than Suhkoi only in mid-range fight and low speed swifting, and it is also a good choice for Pakistan to replace their cheap JF-17. Nobody said J10C is far superior than SU57, F22, F35 and J20, if you really wanna make such a statement then I assume Tejas will be the best one you have known then.
Can you talk about radars and how they can be used offensively in detail sometime. Its been mentioned in passing how powerful they are but i have never seen anyone really get into it.
J-10C's radar has never been disclosed, and is definitely NOT KLJ-7A. KLJ-7A is an export radar installed on JF-17 block 3s. There is only 1 photo from a far distance showing the J-10C with its radar dome removed and having its radar exposed, and its shape looked different from that of KLJ-7A.
I wonder how many they can produce on a monthly basis. A high output together with the, theoretical, huge pilot pool of a billion people population could make the "quantity is a quality of its own" approach a reasonable option. And, unlike Russia, they should be able to produce the needed high tech electronic components by themselves.
First of all he got tha radar wrong that radar is installed on jf-17 not j-10c. plus modren missile uses its own radars they only need guidence at initial stage. Later they switch on to their own radars and that is when they are independent. They do this to avoid enemies MAWS. Third yoh dont need to have long term range radars to fire long range missiles. Awacs can provide guidance.
@@munnumkhalid I have seen many Pakistanis claiming Pl-15 can kill anything @300km 2nd. AWACS guidance is hell of a technology and needs advancement in terms of integration and weapon commonality. I don't think Chinese have cracked this so far. 3. How will you lock on a target even if your missile allows locking at 180km if your radar can detect only at 170 km that too for 4msq (most modern fighters have RCS 1-2msq)
@@VivekKumar-je3pg we don't know china. And we should accept it. It's not the china that we knew 30 or even 20 years Ago what we belive does not matter. If usa and west is woried of china advances so does everyone else. Today you see modren China civilians equipments like their cars their bikes their cellular network. Its easy to say their military is advancing too. Example is their hypersonic missiles.
@@VivekKumar-je3pg dude it can target long range target if you read USA official reports on PL-15. Plus 300km range is only detterance obviously you don't want to get risked shooting down when your maws is beeping at you. Your meteor does the same.
Amazing they still copy US features without needing them nor knowing what they are for. Namely the net cutters between the intake and fuselage. They are for carrier operation.
Is that possible to iran to buy j10c export version to rebuild their very outdated airforce?i heard alot about this very big purchase.....if they do so are this action capable to provide superiority for iran airforce against arab countries that wellknown for their very very advanced western fleets?thanks alot sir
@Griffin Taurus 👹🎭 thanks alot sir most capable airforce in term of fleet i think is saudi arabia...they have very advanced variant of f15 the s version that specially made for them...ithink in irans choices there is no plane could be even close to eagles.....
@Griffin Taurus 👹🎭 Arabs also use latest versions of F15s, Rafeals. J-10c costs $35 million compared to $80-$150 million depend on type of Arab fighters. Iran could buy 2-4 for the price of 1 western fighter.
First, who says J10c only cost $35m? Even the JF17 block3 costs more than that Second, any of Euro fighters, like rafale or J16V or Typhone, which are comparable to J10C, costs more than $100m and they are not necessary better than J10C, maybe Rafale is slightly better, but given how much India AF spend of Rafale, i really doubt Iron can afford that and still buy sufficient amount
A few variants have 3 stays, each side, above the engine's inlet (in the section used for keeping the BL away from the engine inlet). Are those 3 stays/fins aerodynamically functional, or simply structural elements? (Edit: In case they are functional, please elaborate on their functionality) Many thanks.
Saw them fly over near North ChongQing , and a J20 fly under a fucking Bridge! In 2016 it was a great time to be in low tax Free market Capitalist China (80% private roads, Private funded railway e t.c) before they started regulating and re-nationalising the economy/industries again
As this channel is in English, most of the flutter in the known would be unable to fill any blanks. Your approach would gain better results if you do Western aircrafts like F22 & F35. At least the English medium would attract some real or planted data from somewhere.
@@appa609 Yes, I understand what their function is, I was just wondering why a canarded delta would need them. The Mirage 2000, the Rafale and Typhoon do just fine without them. On the F-16 they also aided stability at high speed.
The habits of Chinese designers are a little different from those of European designers. They continue the "high-altitude, high-speed" interception performance of the second-generation aircraft, so Chinese-designed aircraft emphasize high-speed performance (except for fc17, because it is designed according to Pakistan's needs) ), so you will see that the vertical tails of the Chinese battles are very huge and have ventral fins
Therefore, it is suggested that the Pakistani air force should not continue the habit of f16 and fc17 after obtaining the j10, try to avoid dogfighting with the opponent, but use high-speed performance, use the best radar, launch missiles at the longest distance and then leave the battlefield.
American war machine is very big compared to others, I would still prefer an F16 over Rafale or J10. Chinese war machine is also very big compared to France or Sweden. I would prefer Chinese J10 over expensive Rafale or Gripen.
Indian tejas is better obviously Look at the tejas it has gaumooter fuel to make it go hypersonic and gobar stealth coating to render it invisible like the Klingon cloaking device from star trek . Open and shut case .
A person who is some expert, have searched about j10c and system installed in it, is saying for some systems that i don't know actual performance of them, and also assumed a bit about some systems what function they perform, being humble, also asking people for thier opinion on it. but there are some indians who are rplying to every comment as if they know every component of the jet, the function they performs, and actual performance of system, as if they actually made the jet. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️2 rupee bakhts lol.
Ignore them brother....they are just m@ndir chaap ret@rds.... Bollywood phobic persons graduated from Whatsapp university..... never saw any one as Chut!!ya as end!!@ns....
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Thank you very much for your amazing videos my friend but starting from what we know now about J10 C and SAAB Gripen 39 E which is better ??????
I am not an expert like you but have been following Chinese fighters for more than a decade.
And I am pretty sure that KLJ-7 series of radars aren't installed on J-10, but they are installed in it's smaller sibling JF-17 thunder.
The pictures you have shown of KLJ-7A radars is from an expo, there were 3 different antenna configurations of the same radar and one of them have been selected and being installed in JF-17 Block-3 fighters. J-10 uses similar technology in radars to KLJ-7 but it has slightly bigger antenna and more T/R modules than the JF-17's one.
And yes it incorporates a sophisticated EW suite onboard.
The large antenna in center behind the cockpit is datalink antenna and Pakistan is right now receiving it's deliveries of J-10CP from 7 production batches of J-10C. J-10CP has different data link antennas because PAF employees its own Link-17 data link. So you would find certain features common between J-10CP and JF-17. J-10CP is basically PLAAF J-10C with modifications as per PAF taste and requirements.
Love the comment
Wow! Really interesting! This civilian standard used for bus communication is quite surprising. Usually, military standards are more demanding in terms of safety and reliability. Again, a very good video. Thanks.👍
Radar of J10 is not KLJ7A. It was one of the radars among 2, built for JF 17 block 3. The other one is called LKF601e. Finally after extensive tests and evaluation, PAF chose KLJ7A for block 3. TR module numbers are also wrong. KLJ7A consist of not more then 700 modules as the RD93 engine of JF 17 can't provide power for more.
KLJ7A also offer a realitivly less range for such a powerfull engine of J10C's WS 10B.
The Radar of J10C is not yet declassified by Chinese but it is believed to have from 1000 to 1200 TR modules which perfectly fits along with the thrust numbers.
Unfortunately it’s already attacking PAF financially.
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jf17 is a joke from 18th century
half of them are already grounded due to poor performance and cheap Chinese electronics
@@xyz-iz2kf teja is simply a joke of 21th century
@@xyz-iz2kf ur the joke of 18 century ，because in 21 century u already in heaven 🤣🤣🤣
Pakistan just got the delivery of this beauty
India got the delivery of rafale. Rafale isn't a beauty, it's a beast!! Beauties can't last in fighting 😂. J-10C is inferior to rafale in every single aspect!
@@heyhellohi Man why you gotta be a buzzkill here. We are all aviation lovers first here on this channel.
@@heyhellohi we have tea for rafael pilots
@@jaggafeen how soon can you surrender?
@@jaggafeen Beggars can't be choosers.
I think the antenna behind the canopy is for data link with friendly units and AWACS, I can say this with high confidence because, the J10CP(pakistan variant) has a different antena behind the canopy, which I am assuming has been changed to interface with Pakistan's indigenous datalink (Link17) system. You can confirm this by looking at the pictures of the J10CP delivered to the PAF.
The boxy device in the rudder is thought to be ECM/EW suite. But I cannot confirm this.
Does link 17 work with both Chinese and US planes?
Thanks for pointing out.
@@sidv4615 Yeah
@@sidv4615 not with US planes, falcon still uses link 16. Link 17 is basically Chinese, although pakistanis love to call Chinese products as their own,it's not. Link 17 is only compatible with Chinese weaponry, f16 is not compatible with link 17.
@@dotsanddash8083 wrong..f16s can talk to link 17 via intermediary so can naval assets(which are western) and AWECS(most are western/saab)
I'm glad you are doing videos on the J-10. The J-10c is actually quite a formidable fighter jet in comparison to western fighter jets.
The Chinese just keep improving at an exponential rate.
As a pakistanni,a country which will be getting 40 jets of those fighter soon,I'd still rather have a f 16 if all use conditions are equal
@@sharequsman596 why? the J10C seems like a good choce. it even has irst which the f16 lacks
@@kingofgods-w3t Yeah it's better as a jet in terms of specs but the f 16s are super reliable,really old ones from the cold war era haven't broken down once.Not to mention the j 10c will probably be using SD 10s which means it's on the same level as the jf 17 as weopons lethality making the f 16 much better against India's super manuverable jets like the su 30 considering it has the amraam 120c which is better than the SD 10
@@sharequsman596 a mature design indeed, plus later models are quite up to date on capabilities.
J10 seems to be a decent machine, i wonder if those chinese engines are long lasting.
@Griffin Taurus 👹🎭 Pretty sure it has better ones than our f 16 block 52s
Excellent analysis as always 👍. Looking forward to the next J-10 vid!
Thank you for being so careful to specify when the your information is speculative. It’s appreciated, not to mention intellectually honest. Thank you.
Good video … from what I understand J10C doesn’t use KLJ7A, that’s instead the AESA radar being used in JF17 block 3.
Yes j-10c uses another radar which has 1300 recievers not 1000. Which is in jf-17 block 3
Bro Pakistan air force modified it's J10C according to their equipments that's why it took time
@@sufimaya7223 Lol
@@singatakberpura j 10 cp
you know, everyone always puts down the chinese underdog.... until actual usage happens of course.
one example is how a militia unit from lebanon used a decades old chinese anti ship weapon offshore
onto a nearby israeli modern corvette ship, and they damaged it, defeating that ship's defensive systems.
to be arrogant in one's ability is to undermine one's own victory.
Can I have the link of it ? I'm quite curious about it
Yet another informative video on a very plain yet enigmatic aircraft.
Always garunteed to learn stuff from your videos.
I liked the subscribing reminder, it's now like how some TH-camrs straight up beg for subscribers, yours was like a genuine reminder, without increasing 1 second of the video length
Off topic, but I do love the look of the Flanker. Don't know why, but I've always liked how it looks. It's probably the shape and placement of the air scoops.
Well, it's large, imposing yet elegant at the same time. Besides it has all these vibrant colors compared to NATO planes which are generally stuck with dull air superiority grey
Looks like f16
You’re right. Say what you want about Russian aircraft (and naval ships) but they build them looking good.
They have KG600 ECM pods for JH7A, and J16 dedicated EW variant of Flanker copies... they also have this KG300 DECM pod they put on all their combat airframes usually...
All I really know about the J-10: it is worrisome. It appears to be a relatively inexpensive fighter aircraft which the Chinese can produce in large numbers quickly, and which appears to have at least parity with similar western configurations, but is undergoing continuous refinement and improvement. That we in the West are not in pursuit of an analogous fighter (with the shutdown of the F-16 program without a replacement) is troubling.
The use of civilian standards in military aircraft, particularly for export use, is not unheard of. Knowing how military planners think, it is likely this use of ARINC is intended for export (as Sr. Ramos and others have suggested), and that it can be easily retrofitted/replaced by a more robust system for indigenous use.
I'm frustrated with my USA too.. but let me bring you a little peace of mind. IF we continue to ramp up production of the F-35 (and obviously if we don't all die in a nuclear fire, the Russian invasion will be an absolute boon for the MIC) we will be fine. For starters - attrition. For all the bellyache about the F-35, let's be practical; the entire aircraft is built around LO/LPI. Although better fighters may exist, none exist in sufficient numbers to overwhelm our inventory of F-35's. As long as we keep cranking them out, this will remain true. The F-35 is also fully capable of providing mid-course guidance to missiles launched by other assets, including AEGIS and THAAD, for which it can also provide critical data for a hi-res 3d target track which is essential for missile defense. That's a big fucking deal. Look, I think the F-22 is the best performing fighter the US has ever made, and along with the B-2, it is a very special weapon indeed. But logistics, availability, and of course politics matter too, and when those aspects are also factored in, the F-35 has the edge. Think about it. 700 F-35 or ~120ish combat-coded F-22? The F-35s are gonna get the job done, and be ready for more, over and over. The F-22 availability is gonna drop like a rock from the word go.
@@ray32245mv Unfortunately the biggest problem with the F22 had nothing to do with it's capabilities but it's inability to be upgraded. If the USA had allowed select nations to purchase the F22 I think they'd still be going strong, albeit that inability to be updated/upgraded is huge problem. Just look the pilots aren't able to utilise helmet mounted displays, and their datalinks cannot communicate to modern aircraft or other assets.
It will be missed when it finally stops flying, like the A12 and SR71.
Remember the F35 is the quarterback long range radar much better than China can do, the F15 is a missile truck that can use the F35 radar targets
No big nation should waste money on non-stealth planes now. China need to crank out like 1000 J20s just like US building F35.
There are more F-35s than J-10s. In fact, China is frustrated that their F-35 counterpart (a cheaper 5gen) is not matured yet.
ARINC 429 is used because the PLAAF is regulatorily integrated into the civilian aviation network. Traditionally all Chinese aviation assets have been state-owned and dual-use, but dual-use cuts both ways. Just like how the airlines must make their aircraft available for the military to use, PLAAF also had to make their transport and cargo planes (and some special planes, like maritime patrol) available to the Chinese civilian aviation authority. A good example would be all the military transport planes used to transport volunteers to Wuhan at the start of the pandemic. Since all the military utility planes use ARINC 429, so do all the combat planes by extension. That said, the PLAAF does have their own digital databus and standards for their internal use.
otis would have gotten you the complete info of the chinese radar because of his relationship with the vending machine in the J10 development office
Really like this channel and the videos, everyone is focused on the common interest in the airplanes and not on the politics. We have learned a lot about the planes here!
If anyone's interested, covert shores is like M7* for submarines
H I Sutton is really great
@@andresmartinezramos7513 Yeah
Aye
Fascinating aircraft... wasn't Argentina looking at it? More great information...thanks again Gus
@@lawrance6540 The prime minister would probably get a new girlfriend.
@@hallo84 a new haircut would probably do more help to his political career… 😂
Thank you Millennium. I really need some distraction from what's happening in the world right now.
Arinc 429 has been around for a long time. As such it is well understood, with a large installed base of equipment.
I was thinking that since China produces a great variety of electronic products for civilian use, Arinc 429 parts might already be available in the parts bin.
Another awesome video with 80s intro and music
Very interesting. Looking forward to the next episode.
Maybe the use of ARINC is related to the export potential of the airframe?
Using both an international standard and a civilian one at that, would make it very easy for any potential customer to access the skilled labor needed to maintain the systems. Maybe it also allows for the certification of non-Chinese inventory to be more easily certified, not a problem China has to deal with, but the other user of the J10 Pakistan, which has extensive amounts of French and US munitions, might find very useful.
But this is pure speculation.
Pakistan has received 2-3 of these birds with the order following 25 confirmed aircraft, which will be delivered in the coming months.
Another junk
@@lifenugget3313 say that without crying
@@RAPTORGAMINGz say what? Who is desperate even for little dough from IMF,
The plane looks like a arrowhead. Nice.
It is much much better than anything in Russian fleet which is operation... For example SU35 offer PESA radar which is an older technology while J10C offers an AESA radar which is a lot more advanced.
Except ebris
11:43 Why is there an eye in the background 🤔Wait it's also in some other scenes too lmao
Always really interesting. The best thing being, you Don't pretend to know what you do not know.
Great video
Beautiful looking plane i must say
Brother thank you very much for this video, your sunglasses are cool.
Compared with the French Rafale, the J-10c still has a certain gap, mainly because the Rafale body is larger and can accommodate more electronic equipment, but the French Rafale head is too small, which limits the diameter of the radar and affects the performance of the Rafale radar. The French Rafale The Meteor air-to-air missile is definitely not as good as the J-10's Thunderbolt 15, which has a range of about 300 kilometers.
that’s not true 300km is too much and rather useless!
at that range the target could easily outmaneuver it!
most fox 3 missiles are engaging under 70km even though they have 2 times more as their total range
J-10s speed, combat range and wing loading are greater than rafael.
@@masoudi1414 70km is pretty low for modren requiments also the way you talk about high range making it easy to maneuver makes me think u dont know how air to air missles track.All airforces trying to get hugh range missles
I wonder if you could swap out F-35B's central lift fan with an electrical generator for when laser pods become a thing.
The only issue with that is you will lose a lot of thrust with a generator THAT big.
@@zchen27 True, but an F-35 that can cook you from 40 miles away doesn't need to run from anything :)
The new 6th gen jet USAAF designed, manufactured, and tested in 1 year is supposed to have that, UK RAF seem to also be doing something similar with their "Tempest Project" 6th gen interceptor; Roll Royce is cooperating with both USA and UK on the R&D of New age magnet Assisted Turbofans
@@EzraMerr Oh, that's brilliant! Now I'm imagining a shaft with electro-magnets attached alternating current to provide rotational torque on a shaft connected to the turbine. I wonder if you could also attach magnets in a dynamo configuration for electricity generation! Maybe you can use the same magnets?
@@spackle9999 you really are a simpleton on the internet aren't you
Interesting, I wonder what order of magnitude change in power generation there is for new aircraft projects like the Typhoon
You mean tempest?
@@swordsman1137 yes tempest
If wiring harness is bad as in chinese scooters, do not worry it performans.
you know why no one liked or replied to your comment? nah you're not worth my time either.
Dollar store grade, and military grade . . Go play your nintendo or lego.
Surely there's a full S-curve in the air-intake, like in the LAVI and the Eurofighter (Typhoon).
The A's are suffering severe structural fatigue with many brittle areas that cannot be replaced economicly... no A will be upgraded in any way and all will be discarded (or given away) as soon as possible...
On a completely unrelated topic, I have a request for you. Can you make a video on anti-drone/drone detection systems, specially drone detection RADARs. Both current technologies and future developments. In this world, where drone warfare has become mainstream, this will be useful.
From my understanding, if China is willing to export it, they are pretty confident of it. Due to this kind of logic, J10C may not be inferior to Dassault Rafale, if not better.
What is this kind of logic 🤣🤣🤣. I am taking your statement with a truckload of salt
@@ipsofactoraj he is probably right, it is much newer
@@ipsofactoraj come on, the data is all there, maybe review and compare it carefully with Rafale first before you make biased judgement. J10 is totally different from J10C, from inside to outside, it might be not better than Rafale but definetely a good reliable aircraft for Pakistan since They have to report to US everytime before they use F16 Block 52. Chinese make good products and cheap products, and it is so sad that you can only afford cheap ones in your life and that is why you think China can only produce cheap products.
@@theflyingdutchman4083 isn’t the last sentence truly reflective of China… I am certainly not convinced of an aircraft which has not seen any action made by a country whose claim to fame is photocopying other countries products. Let’s see how it performs if and when there is action
Great video as usual! keep up the good work! why is there a blinking eye in transparency during some parts of the video? it's a bit annoying
I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing the "blinking eye" watermark in certain parts of the video. It certainly distracted me a bit from the discussion and had to rewatch some sections
Very useful and informative video thanks. To your knowledge are the J10 -CEs, specifically those that have recently been inducted by the PAF (first export order and operator of this aircraft) equipped with the WS10 thrust vectoring variant engine?
Oh! Many critical things are not known, yet it is presented as an expert's analysis... wow...
Haircut takes years off you buddy!!!
Video is interesting too!!!
Long Live Pakistan China friendship ❤
I’m no expert. All I know is J10C, with its superior maneuvering capability and avi electronics with AESA diameter bigger than that of Rafael and PL15 and PL10 long range and middle range missiles, has won the Chinese Air Force Golden Helmet competition by beating J16, SU35, J11B 4-4.5G fighters. I don’t think J20 was part of that competition.
Oh yeah.. a stolen legacy tech, re-engineered decommissioned Israeli model.. is far superior than the modern SU-57 and F-35.. if not F-22. 👍
If you want something said, ask India.
If you want something done, ask China.
- Maitreya Bhakal 🤭👈
J20 is not supposed to "out-maneuver" fighters , the J20 (like an F22) are actually Interceptors and infiltration bombers, mostly for defense purposes rather than offense. They are supposed to not be detected from a long range but to detect and engage at a long range without engaging in a dogfight
@@EzraMerr Well, at least you know your topic unlike this Indian guy who mentioned those models where C2Y did not compare. C2Y guy only mentioned SU35 not SU57 or F22. 🤭👈
@@adakot123 In fact, Isreal secretly gave the design dossiers to Chinese as the part of the compensation because Isreal has to break a weapon deal between C/I due to the American pressure, I believe China was try to buy couple of C-17 from Israel and their already signed the contract, but Isreal has to cancel the contract because US said no, so the design of this Israel plane prototype was handed out to China along with other military aids. It is interesting that Israel doesn't have to design their own aircrafts because everything they need can be bought from America. J-10C is better than Suhkoi only in mid-range fight and low speed swifting, and it is also a good choice for Pakistan to replace their cheap JF-17. Nobody said J10C is far superior than SU57, F22, F35 and J20, if you really wanna make such a statement then I assume Tejas will be the best one you have known then.
Can you talk about radars and how they can be used offensively in detail sometime. Its been mentioned in passing how powerful they are but i have never seen anyone really get into it.
J-10C's radar has never been disclosed, and is definitely NOT KLJ-7A. KLJ-7A is an export radar installed on JF-17 block 3s. There is only 1 photo from a far distance showing the J-10C with its radar dome removed and having its radar exposed, and its shape looked different from that of KLJ-7A.
U mean block 3 right?
@@sharequsman596 Yes, block 3s. My bad.
Good video
I wonder how many they can produce on a monthly basis. A high output together with the, theoretical, huge pilot pool of a billion people population could make the "quantity is a quality of its own" approach a reasonable option. And, unlike Russia, they should be able to produce the needed high tech electronic components by themselves.
Radar Range 170km for 4sqm
Missile range 300km
And then they argue that Pl-15 can kill anything at 300km
First of all he got tha radar wrong that radar is installed on jf-17 not j-10c.
plus modren missile uses its own radars they only need guidence at initial stage. Later they switch on to their own radars and that is when they are independent. They do this to avoid enemies MAWS.
Third yoh dont need to have long term range radars to fire long range missiles. Awacs can provide guidance.
@@munnumkhalid I have seen many Pakistanis claiming Pl-15 can kill anything @300km
2nd. AWACS guidance is hell of a technology and needs advancement in terms of integration and weapon commonality. I don't think Chinese have cracked this so far.
3. How will you lock on a target even if your missile allows locking at 180km if your radar can detect only at 170 km that too for 4msq (most modern fighters have RCS 1-2msq)
@@VivekKumar-je3pg we don't know china. And we should accept it. It's not the china that we knew 30 or even 20 years Ago what we belive does not matter. If usa and west is woried of china advances so does everyone else. Today you see modren China civilians equipments like their cars their bikes their cellular network. Its easy to say their military is advancing too. Example is their hypersonic missiles.
@@VivekKumar-je3pg dude it can target long range target if you read USA official reports on PL-15. Plus 300km range is only detterance obviously you don't want to get risked shooting down when your maws is beeping at you. Your meteor does the same.
wow. Good video
Very informative and objective
J-10 A,B and C and the electronics have changed thanks.
Amazing they still copy US features without needing them nor knowing what they are for. Namely the net cutters between the intake and fuselage. They are for carrier operation.
@Simon Hu yep the shittiest smelliest curryfested hell
To correct: the J10 double seat is named as J10S
Is that possible to iran to buy j10c export version to rebuild their very outdated airforce?i heard alot about this very big purchase.....if they do so are this action capable to provide superiority for iran airforce against arab countries that wellknown for their very very advanced western fleets?thanks alot sir
@Griffin Taurus 👹🎭
thanks alot sir most capable airforce in term of fleet i think is saudi arabia...they have very advanced variant of f15 the s version that specially made for them...ithink in irans choices there is no plane could be even close to eagles.....
@Griffin Taurus 👹🎭 Arabs also use latest versions of F15s, Rafeals. J-10c costs $35 million compared to $80-$150 million depend on type of Arab fighters. Iran could buy 2-4 for the price of 1 western fighter.
First, who says J10c only cost $35m? Even the JF17 block3 costs more than that
Second, any of Euro fighters, like rafale or J16V or Typhone, which are comparable to J10C, costs more than $100m and they are not necessary better than J10C, maybe Rafale is slightly better, but given how much India AF spend of Rafale, i really doubt Iron can afford that and still buy sufficient amount
@@donchen4906 Google J-10Cs price it will show up as $35 mil Rafeal at $130 mils
@@Ace-Av8er That's how much when domestic AF purchase it. ok? USAF buy F35 only at $100m while sale it for more than $200m to UK and Japan
All due respect j 10 uses type 1475 radar klj 7a used in jf 17 block 3
Type 1475 is the old J10A
@@zhoutim4754 so which radar j 10 uses
3:05 are you really gonna make me do the conversion to Freedom Units myself?
Today first batch of J10 C arrived in Pakistan 🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰 160 total
Another great video
Appreciated !!
J10c radar range is minimum 200km for fighter jet target
A few variants have 3 stays, each side, above the engine's inlet (in the section used for keeping the BL away from the engine inlet).
Are those 3 stays/fins aerodynamically functional, or simply structural elements?
(Edit: In case they are functional, please elaborate on their functionality)
Many thanks.
Probably just structural for rigidity
Interesting, as usual.
kindly do a video on JF-17 thunder
done already, search on the channel
Saw them fly over near North ChongQing , and a J20 fly under a fucking Bridge! In 2016 it was a great time to be in low tax Free market Capitalist China (80% private roads, Private funded railway e t.c) before they started regulating and re-nationalising the economy/industries again
Simply great knowledge
Electric power is not a problem due to advance in lith or graphite portable battery.
As this channel is in English, most of the flutter in the known would be unable to fill any blanks.
Your approach would gain better results if you do Western aircrafts like F22 & F35. At least the English medium would attract some real or planted data from somewhere.
Yak130 trainer uses Mil Std1553, and is compatible with NATO and Russian weapons
can you teach us how the inertial navigation system works?
The data link is literately called "Link".
Delta wing, close-coupled canards and the J-10 still requires ventral fins. Hmmm.
It helps with yaw stability at high AoA
@@appa609 Yes, I understand what their function is, I was just wondering why a canarded delta would need them. The Mirage 2000, the Rafale and Typhoon do just fine without them.
On the F-16 they also aided stability at high speed.
The habits of Chinese designers are a little different from those of European designers. They continue the "high-altitude, high-speed" interception performance of the second-generation aircraft, so Chinese-designed aircraft emphasize high-speed performance (except for fc17, because it is designed according to Pakistan's needs) ), so you will see that the vertical tails of the Chinese battles are very huge and have ventral fins
Therefore, it is suggested that the Pakistani air force should not continue the habit of f16 and fc17 after obtaining the j10, try to avoid dogfighting with the opponent, but use high-speed performance, use the best radar, launch missiles at the longest distance and then leave the battlefield.
Life is all about algorithm!
American war machine is very big compared to others, I would still prefer an F16 over Rafale or J10. Chinese war machine is also very big compared to France or Sweden. I would prefer Chinese J10 over expensive Rafale or Gripen.
Nah nah depends on Variant
It can climb to its service ceiling in a minute?
So which is better, the Indian Tejas or the J10.
Indian tejas is better obviously
Look at the tejas it has gaumooter fuel to make it go hypersonic and gobar stealth coating to render it invisible like the Klingon cloaking device from star trek .
Open and shut case .
J10 J10B J10C in effect they are completely different systems
Love the music
J10 design similar with Mikoyan Project 1.44
Make a video about the aj/ja 37 viggen 😁👍
A person who is some expert, have searched about j10c and system installed in it, is saying for some systems that i don't know actual performance of them, and also assumed a bit about some systems what function they perform, being humble, also asking people for thier opinion on it. but there are some indians who are rplying to every comment as if they know every component of the jet, the function they performs, and actual performance of system, as if they actually made the jet. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️2 rupee bakhts lol.
Ignore them brother....they are just m@ndir chaap ret@rds.... Bollywood phobic persons graduated from Whatsapp university..... never saw any one as Chut!!ya as end!!@ns....
@@nikaawan9555 you, from SUPARCO? or Fawad's nephew from MIT?
Why do you have a subliminal blinking eye in your video?
Looks and acts like a Chinese Viper. I'd still rather have the F-16V, just for reliability and guaranteed improvements in the pipeline.
National Chinese library? Meaning it only has data for Chinese jets or have a lot of international jets data?
what tf is up with the blinking eyeball watermark?
I doubt if civilian bus I used … that doesn’t add up.
Why f16xl wing style is not used by any aircraft
Sir please one video created jf 17 B 3
th-cam.com/video/ZjLWGJuR7ww/w-d-xo.html
Looks J10c is better than Dassault Rafael
So you said the a/h is not carrier capable *but theres a fleet with them??*
It is land based but it operates on the sea
Indian airforce will check it's radar capacity and counter measures when Pakistan airforce fly it.
😂😂 haha
Tea was fantastic 🍵☕🤕
2jets shootdown by pak🇵🇰... su3omki, mig21 bisson with jf17block 2
& Next we will meet you with jf17 block 3 and j10c 🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰❤️👍💪💪
@@advocatemalikalirazaawan1520 see the reality you madrassa educated Pakistanith-cam.com/video/EUJa9AFyFug/w-d-xo.html
@@advocatemalikalirazaawan1520 all that polio in pakistan have left you cousin lovers without a brain
Well done China. Built by China. 💪💪👍👍👏👏❤❤💯💯
it s nice & logical
Lol KLJ 7A is not the radar for J 10 C! WTF!
This plane cannot hold any jamming 😁😁😁...
Carry an extra payload Jamming Pod, if that's what you mean ?!!
Not that I particularly care which one it is but 2 mega bits is "2 Mb" while 2 mega bytes is "2 MB". I think you said bits, caption says bits but the upper text says it's 2 mega bytes. 1 Byte = 8 bits.
noted!