@@pepito69$50-$65 used on eBay. Snapdragon 845. Personally, find a phone with a Snapdragon 865 used for $90-$135 instead, especially if it's one you can oc the GPU as the 865 overclocked can match a Snapdragon 888 and even beat it some depending on what specific device you compare it to.
Most of the used Snapdragon 845 phones are being sold near $80 or even lower. 30 USD would be a huge steal. 845 is still faster than the G99. You can try setup Note 9 + pc monitor. Emulator performance takes a small hit but still score 415k pts. Issue with MediaTek is optimization. Dimensity 900 is suppose to be faster but struggle to keep up with SD 845 from what I read. It is nice to see G99 doing good since power consumption is lower than the SD 845
Hey everyone! A few notes that I didn't include in the video: The phone's screen is set to 60Hz for all of the footage. GC emulation did not have widescreen hacks enabled (you can see the footage is stretched). PS2 emulation DID have widescreen hacks enabled, force of habit but widescreen hacks can add some issues to emulation. The KTR1 is passively cooled with a vapor chamber unlike the Poco M5 I used for testing. However, I did do a lot of thermal tests off-camera to see if the device was thermal throttling and it was actually doing very well. In addition, I used a Razer phone cooler to stabilize the temperature but found I didn't need it during testing so I didn't bother to use it anymore. The core clocks are being pushed to the max that the phone allows which can be seen in the built-in performance tool of Android 12.
I think it's also important to state that this is being made by one person and not a company, so quality control could be a big issue. Also if you need to refund or have any issues, again you are dealing with a single person.
Very good video! I am pretty sure I am going to preorder the KTR1 when Nil gets the payment snafu fixed up. I like the power to size ratio. I had the Odin Lite, and I never brought it anywhere due to its size.
@@retrotechdadyeah that’s why I preordered mine months ago. I really wanted something pocketable I can take with me that can handle some “newer” systems. While I love snes, most retro games have not aged that well. Plus, that screen. Oh man that screen. 4.5”, 3:2, AND 1080p, that’s perfect for me. I find 3.5” screens a bit too small and the display is perfect for pokemon gba emulation which I have a feeling I’m going to be playing a lot of lol. If the ktr1 was any bigger, I wouldn’t have bought it. While the rg405m is a sweet device, the screen resolution is frankly too low. The retroid pocket is a bit too chunky. Overall, this is going to be the king of pocketable handhelds which pairs perfectly with a steamdeck.
Still get so much hate to this day but i love the g99!! I feel like the power to performance is still one of the best even in 2024. One of my favorite SoC
It was cool to see you on the RH live cast. If you can find the balance between your natural speaking voice (like how you chat casually) and the narration style you currently use on the videos, that would be really cool I think.
Thank you for that, I always love getting feedback. This is all so new to me so kind of learning as I go! First time I've ever done a podcast/live stream but I had a blast and I can't wait for future episodes. 🙏
I was about to complain about how the KTR1 sticks are positioned differently on the print out than the thumbnail, but seeing that there are plans to have _both_ layouts purchasable, I'm happy that there'll be alternatives, because I *HATE* the asymmetrical stick design that so many devices are using these days. I like the RP3+, but Retroid drops a new devices so fast that it's hard to justify buying one knowing it'll be outdated before the new device smell wears off.
Impressive! If I didn't already have an Odin base and RP3+ I would jump on this, my only gripe is the shoulder buttons or the lack of analog triggers for racing games, and I don't think it has video out which is kind of a bummer. I love the aspect ratio of this and also the variations for the dpad. Got a question what is the app that you use to see the cpu utilization etc? I'm using CPU float which is cool, but yours looks cooler! Great vid and thanks!
Great question, that is actually built right into Android 12 and it's something I've been waiting forever to be included! You can get it by enabling developer options and then heading under "Monitoring" and selecting the power monitor option. There is a choice to start the "Frame-Rate Monitor Tools". Unfortunately, I have found that not every device with Android 12+ will have it available despite it being a feature of the OS. I think it's up to the OEM allow the feature. 😭
Thanks man! This is great. I'm still very much rooting for this device although I must say, if I end up backing it again I'm gonna stick with the 4/64 version (dpad on too for some gba freshness) instead. Still team red/watermelon 😂
if it had stacked shoulder buttons and wasnt so damn expensive, i would definitely buy the kt-r1..it's a damn shame. 3:2 is just the perfect aspect ratio for retro emulation
Luckily for me, I just need this to play some lite PS2 and GC games, that my RP2+ can't play. For my dream handheld, that can emulate most of the 6th gen. I guess I'll wait until the end of the year😉
Honestly this is what i wonder. I already have a Poco F3 with a snapdragon 870, and wonder if it would be worth buying a gamepad like you have here, or buying an actual handheld.
It's really a matter of preference, I enjoy both. I like having a dedicated device but also love being able to make use of the power available in most mobile devices (and hard to beat price to performance). There's some really good options for controller attachments like the Backbone controller I have linked in the description.
thanks, what resolution did you play the games on? cause the KTR1 will be 1680x1080 so its possible it will have higher FPS then the phone that uses a higher resolution and needs more gpu power. Was it even possible for testing to lower the resolution? did you use widescreen hacks? that also uses more gpu power, cause more pixels are on screen, compared to the 3:2 display on the ktr1
@@netnomad47 The phone actually did very well with thermals. I did a lot of thermal tests off-camera to see if the device was thermal throttling and I couldn't get it to the point that it was doing that. In addition, I used a Razer phone cooler to stabilize the temperature but found I didn't need it during testing so I didn't bother to use it anymore. The core clocks are being pushed to the max that the phone allows which can be seen in the built-in performance tool of Android 12. I hope this helps clarify some of the results! 🙏🙏
I don’t know if it was the lighting but the screen on the phone looked miles better than the ktr1 screen. The ktr1 looks so washed out with super grey blacks.
Comparing Jak and Daxter to Jak 3 isn‘t a meaningful comparison, but not everyone grew up with these and can tell them apart, we forgive you xD On the other hand thanks for making this in analysis, looks like I‘m not the only one who is excited for this machine.
i think the main problem is not the devices but the ps2 emulation, since aethersx2 will not be updated, we won't know how much optimization we could get from it
Honestly, I don't really think so. Android was very fast on the Poco M5 and I don't see it being that much of a factor for PS2 emulation. I guess we will find out once we get some real units into hands.
The thing is, we really don't know when the KTR1 is going to be shipping. The first batch is sold out but the ship date keeps getting moved. This is a one person operation so you have to keep that in mind when making your decision about a KTR1 or the 405M.
Tablet Redmi Pad has the same chipset as Poco M5, albeit with no headphone jack & no LTE. Suffice to say, Helio G99 is a good chipset for retro gaming emulation up till PSP & Dreamcast & I was surprised that it could emulate a few PS Vita & Switch games. I would rather up the notch to at least Dimensity 8000 series if I want to play PS2, GameCube and later systems.
_Sigh_ Welp, this is disappointing. It's been 23 years and you still can't buy a pocketable, full speed PS2 emulation handheld for the launch price of a PS2 or less 😑
Amazing performance, but even if I like the screen ratio, from the preview video it does not seem to have a good quality colour wise. Keeping the finger crossed for the final product.
I have helio G99 also add to that skyline running games like naruto hades Astral chain and some other games also using retroarch for every thing that classic with shaders is super awesome also n64 mupen pro, Duckstation ps1 , Drastic for Ds , citra mmj 3ds , ppsssp, They all run awesome
@@teckougeki I use dolphin mmjr and it works great if you see 1 game have some bugs use the mainline one for wii i tried re4 and it worked , Btw ps2 games aslo on AetherSX2 runs great on x2 if you used pal region games
the fact that a 150$ phone can handle some ps2 emulation pretty well is damn impressive
Agreed, I thought it was a very good performer for the price. It's amazing how much tech you can get at the price! 🙏
Wait until you hear about the $30 XZ2Compact
@@molybdnum I'm listening 🧐
@@pepito69$50-$65 used on eBay. Snapdragon 845.
Personally, find a phone with a Snapdragon 865 used for $90-$135 instead, especially if it's one you can oc the GPU as the 865 overclocked can match a Snapdragon 888 and even beat it some depending on what specific device you compare it to.
Most of the used Snapdragon 845 phones are being sold near $80 or even lower. 30 USD would be a huge steal.
845 is still faster than the G99. You can try setup Note 9 + pc monitor. Emulator performance takes a small hit but still score 415k pts.
Issue with MediaTek is optimization. Dimensity 900 is suppose to be faster but struggle to keep up with SD 845 from what I read.
It is nice to see G99 doing good since power consumption is lower than the SD 845
Hey everyone! A few notes that I didn't include in the video:
The phone's screen is set to 60Hz for all of the footage.
GC emulation did not have widescreen hacks enabled (you can see the footage is stretched).
PS2 emulation DID have widescreen hacks enabled, force of habit but widescreen hacks can add some issues to emulation.
The KTR1 is passively cooled with a vapor chamber unlike the Poco M5 I used for testing. However, I did do a lot of thermal tests off-camera to see if the device was thermal throttling and it was actually doing very well. In addition, I used a Razer phone cooler to stabilize the temperature but found I didn't need it during testing so I didn't bother to use it anymore. The core clocks are being pushed to the max that the phone allows which can be seen in the built-in performance tool of Android 12.
I think it's also important to state that this is being made by one person and not a company, so quality control could be a big issue. Also if you need to refund or have any issues, again you are dealing with a single person.
Very good video! I am pretty sure I am going to preorder the KTR1 when Nil gets the payment snafu fixed up. I like the power to size ratio. I had the Odin Lite, and I never brought it anywhere due to its size.
I think the power to size ratio is going to be a big driver for a lot of potential buyers!
@@retrotechdadyeah that’s why I preordered mine months ago. I really wanted something pocketable I can take with me that can handle some “newer” systems. While I love snes, most retro games have not aged that well. Plus, that screen. Oh man that screen. 4.5”, 3:2, AND 1080p, that’s perfect for me. I find 3.5” screens a bit too small and the display is perfect for pokemon gba emulation which I have a feeling I’m going to be playing a lot of lol. If the ktr1 was any bigger, I wouldn’t have bought it. While the rg405m is a sweet device, the screen resolution is frankly too low. The retroid pocket is a bit too chunky. Overall, this is going to be the king of pocketable handhelds which pairs perfectly with a steamdeck.
Still get so much hate to this day but i love the g99!! I feel like the power to performance is still one of the best even in 2024. One of my favorite SoC
It’s a great for price to performance. I actually just covered a tablet with the same g99!
It was cool to see you on the RH live cast. If you can find the balance between your natural speaking voice (like how you chat casually) and the narration style you currently use on the videos, that would be really cool I think.
Thank you for that, I always love getting feedback. This is all so new to me so kind of learning as I go! First time I've ever done a podcast/live stream but I had a blast and I can't wait for future episodes. 🙏
I am considering getting a tablet with this chip and it playing super mario galaxy surprised me pleasantly. It seems to have some decent power.
Yes, the Helio G99 is a decent performer!
i got the redmi pad for free in addition for buying a xiaomi phone.
that tablet is great for a lot of emulation.
I was about to complain about how the KTR1 sticks are positioned differently on the print out than the thumbnail, but seeing that there are plans to have _both_ layouts purchasable, I'm happy that there'll be alternatives, because I *HATE* the asymmetrical stick design that so many devices are using these days. I like the RP3+, but Retroid drops a new devices so fast that it's hard to justify buying one knowing it'll be outdated before the new device smell wears off.
Hello, brother, the producer of ktr and I applied for a real machine to give you a demonstration and look forward to your evaluation works!
Thank you so much, it really means a lot to me. 🙏🙏 Nil reached out to me and we're working on something.
This man is always pumping out bangers man! This is why I ALWAYS recommend your Channel bro! 😁
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Thank you, that's VERY kind of you to say that! You've been an awesome longtime supporter. 🙏🤗
Impressive! If I didn't already have an Odin base and RP3+ I would jump on this, my only gripe is the shoulder buttons or the lack of analog triggers for racing games, and I don't think it has video out which is kind of a bummer.
I love the aspect ratio of this and also the variations for the dpad. Got a question what is the app that you use to see the cpu utilization etc? I'm using CPU float which is cool, but yours looks cooler!
Great vid and thanks!
I have a Odin base and a RP3+ solid devices in retrospect I wish I would’ve got a base steam deck because I only care about emulation and XCloud
Great question, that is actually built right into Android 12 and it's something I've been waiting forever to be included! You can get it by enabling developer options and then heading under "Monitoring" and selecting the power monitor option. There is a choice to start the "Frame-Rate Monitor Tools".
Unfortunately, I have found that not every device with Android 12+ will have it available despite it being a feature of the OS. I think it's up to the OEM allow the feature. 😭
The KTR1 has the GPU overclocked.
That's why the maker claimed it would play most of GC & Wii games.
Thanks man! This is great. I'm still very much rooting for this device although I must say, if I end up backing it again I'm gonna stick with the 4/64 version (dpad on too for some gba freshness) instead. Still team red/watermelon 😂
Whew, catching up on some comments. Team Red/Watermelon all the way! 💗🍉🍎
it's great you can get your hands on and test all of these other chinese phones
They're great to test on since a lot of the Chinese manufacturers use similar chips.
I'd love to get one tbh. Looks pretty promising
I know some YTers have units on the way, excited to learn more!
if it had stacked shoulder buttons and wasnt so damn expensive, i would definitely buy the kt-r1..it's a damn shame. 3:2 is just the perfect aspect ratio for retro emulation
I finally did receive my KT-R1 and the screen is great but outside of that, it's just a disappointment unfortunately.
Luckily for me, I just need this to play some lite PS2 and GC games, that my RP2+ can't play.
For my dream handheld, that can emulate most of the 6th gen. I guess I'll wait until the end of the year😉
The good news is it should do better than the T618 and maybe just enough for certain games to get to that point!
Honestly this is what i wonder.
I already have a Poco F3 with a snapdragon 870, and wonder if it would be worth buying a gamepad like you have here, or buying an actual handheld.
It's really a matter of preference, I enjoy both. I like having a dedicated device but also love being able to make use of the power available in most mobile devices (and hard to beat price to performance). There's some really good options for controller attachments like the Backbone controller I have linked in the description.
It has shipped and 50 people already have them in their hands right now
I’m supposed to be one of those 50 💪🤞
thanks, what resolution did you play the games on? cause the KTR1 will be 1680x1080 so its possible it will have higher FPS then the phone that uses a higher resolution and needs more gpu power. Was it even possible for testing to lower the resolution? did you use widescreen hacks? that also uses more gpu power, cause more pixels are on screen, compared to the 3:2 display on the ktr1
the handheld will also have better cooling than the phone which throttles
@@netnomad47 The phone actually did very well with thermals. I did a lot of thermal tests off-camera to see if the device was thermal throttling and I couldn't get it to the point that it was doing that. In addition, I used a Razer phone cooler to stabilize the temperature but found I didn't need it during testing so I didn't bother to use it anymore. The core clocks are being pushed to the max that the phone allows which can be seen in the built-in performance tool of Android 12. I hope this helps clarify some of the results! 🙏🙏
@@retrotechdad wow good to know!
I don’t know if it was the lighting but the screen on the phone looked miles better than the ktr1 screen. The ktr1 looks so washed out with super grey blacks.
Comparing Jak and Daxter to Jak 3 isn‘t a meaningful comparison, but not everyone grew up with these and can tell them apart, we forgive you xD
On the other hand thanks for making this in analysis, looks like I‘m not the only one who is excited for this machine.
Haha, I'm not even sure how I missed that. I'll chalk it up to a senior moment. 🤣😭
If you bring the phones screen down to 60hz it will slightly improve performance.
Yea, the phone is set to 60Hz for all of the footage. 🙏
Kt pocket r1 vs anbernic Rg 405 which model is better
The RG405M is readily available. Unfortunately, the KTR1 still hasn't shipped.
omg. thank you for video
You're very welcome! 🙏🤗
doesn't the helio g95 have a better GPU?
LUL nice Into PiX 😂
A man can dream 🤪😁
i think the main problem is not the devices but the ps2 emulation, since aethersx2 will not be updated, we won't know how much optimization we could get from it
Great video as always, I just need to keep telling myself i don't need it.
OT. Is the Poco M5 compatiblr with gamesir x2 pro usb c? The gamesir controller can be a bit picky.
Would the extra 2gb RAM make much of an improvement?
Honestly, I don't really think so. Android was very fast on the Poco M5 and I don't see it being that much of a factor for PS2 emulation. I guess we will find out once we get some real units into hands.
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Awww I want buy 405m but now hmmm I don't know
The thing is, we really don't know when the KTR1 is going to be shipping. The first batch is sold out but the ship date keeps getting moved. This is a one person operation so you have to keep that in mind when making your decision about a KTR1 or the 405M.
Tablet Redmi Pad has the same chipset as Poco M5, albeit with no headphone jack & no LTE. Suffice to say, Helio G99 is a good chipset for retro gaming emulation up till PSP & Dreamcast & I was surprised that it could emulate a few PS Vita & Switch games. I would rather up the notch to at least Dimensity 8000 series if I want to play PS2, GameCube and later systems.
How about most gc and wii games for g99?
_Sigh_ Welp, this is disappointing. It's been 23 years and you still can't buy a pocketable, full speed PS2 emulation handheld for the launch price of a PS2 or less 😑
Yea, we keep inching forward. It's not quite the big leap.
You can if you adjust for inflation 😆
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Seems to not be as easy as people expect it to be
Amazing performance, but even if I like the screen ratio, from the preview video it does not seem to have a good quality colour wise. Keeping the finger crossed for the final product.
Hi retro daddy ✌️
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Im not surprised there will be loads of helio g99 handheld by year end
Hopefully its 540p oled like rg505
for $199 just for gaming, absolute for me to chose switch lite.....
yeah, the value is just not there....
But then you're stuck playing on a switch lite lol
I have helio G99 also add to that skyline running games like naruto hades Astral chain and some other games also using retroarch for every thing that classic with shaders is super awesome also n64 mupen pro, Duckstation ps1 , Drastic for Ds , citra mmj 3ds , ppsssp, They all run awesome
How about most gc and wii games?
@@teckougeki I use dolphin mmjr and it works great if you see 1 game have some bugs use the mainline one for wii i tried re4 and it worked , Btw ps2 games aslo on AetherSX2 runs great on x2 if you used pal region games
To late, now 4,5 screen is way to small