As a child SA survivor, a survivor of sexual harassment in my adulthood, and a Black woman; thank you so much for your takes and trying to explain the severity of the Bee Family’s rhetoric and actions to your community and the internet in general.
Agreed. I even went to the OG videos to see if anyone was pointing this out but weather it’s them deleting bad comments or everyone just agreeing papa gut is the only one pointing out the very real repercussions with their claims
I’m pretty critical of Papa because I respect him. I respect his honesty, pursuit of knowledge and nuance and willingness to reflect and grow. I think this video in a nutshell is why I think he is one of the best creators in this genre. The fact that blatant racism is being completely overlooked and even supported by people like defnoodles is disgusting. Thanks for speaking on this.
Them constantly saying he had no good role models (or more blatantly bad or no parents) seemed extremely racist to me. Now, just like Papa, I'm an ignorant white guy, but blasting a kid online as adults in this way just did not sit right.
@@Blake1720 exactly! I heard Def's coverage of the Bee family and the Sniper Wolf before Papa and Def gave me the wrong impression of the situation. I don't want to subscribe to someone that misleads me to begin with.
This is the perfect take. Basically sums up what I chatted in papas live last night albeit in a much more angered way on my part lol 😆. I was feeling the passion 😃
I was surprised by def's response, haven't been following him for very long so im certainly not aware of his relationships with other creators besides Keemstar but I didn't think he was so biased and opposed to having open discourse. Is there something I missed where he's done this before?
It's gotta be super annoying to be THAT level of careful and thoughtful with your words in an hour and a half long response only to have it all disregarded and misrepresented. I truly wonder if Dennis actually believes what he wrote is his response.
He doesn't. Def noodles is incredibly disingenuous in nearly all his takes. He panders to sjws and his ultra leftist audience. He doesn't even believe the bs he's selling but he knows his viewers will eat it up. Look at the comments on his video, all of them shouting support for his objectively wrong and disingenuous shit takes.
Appreciate the passion you're a good dude, defnoodles won't debate you because he knows he's in the wrong.He'll write a whole essay about why he won't have a conversation instead lmao
Right! Lol. Def looking “mature” is him writing a whole essay when he could’ve just addressed it like an adult in the first place rather than resort to name calling 🙄
Papa gut is relevant to def noodles and the conversation would be papa gut trying to act like he does make pedo jokes and be professional. Isnt worth def noodles time
The biggest problem I have with this little back and forth is that when you go to his videos, his comments section is just a circle jerk of whatever dude decides to say. No matter what, def noodles is getting gassed up by some idiots and I think that will keep him from honestly joining the conversation
It’s crazy the narrative they are trying to spin I didn’t even know the full extent .. it’s kids talking SHIT over games it happens everyday (not saying I’m ok with what was said) it was their kid so they took it personally.. it’s sucks it had to be offensive and hurt I just think it’s taken to far and they have a platform that could ruin someone’s life. We are getting so weak .. raising a bunch of sensitive kids I’m sorry but that is the way I feel!!!!!!!
That's what I said I was like I'm sorry but that girl is gonna cry over some words..she better learn how to not let insignificant crap get to her that bad
@@dawnsunshine9304 ok it's not as bad and I even brought up emjtt till when talking to his "fans" and then they wanna say is my first language English like tf? I feel papa guts anger and I feel so mad too bc these people just don't get it
@@heyitsalannaluv you said it just like my mom did to me too. And those words have saved my adult life so far. Also a favorite, sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
@@heyitsalannaluv fr fr, like I keep saying in reference to internet shit talk. Jus turn the computer off goofy. As someone who literally had pics of my minor self on hate pages for scene kids on Facebook back when I was 15, I can say for a fact that if you let it bother you then it'll jus get worse. I've been SAed at the horrid age of 6-9 an then was SAed throughout my teens an early adulthood so I feel like equating words to actually assault is jus tone deaf an gross imo. It diminishes what me an many others have gone through an makes our voices quieter, not louder.
I was having an interesting conversation with people in the comments and tell me why people were still calling that kid a grown man bc he's 17..Like people don't do any research and just spit out the same talking points ..like people just want to defend def without actually addressing the real issue at hand
@@stephanieluminous3116 they don't! Like it's wild..someone also is like is English your first language..I didn't even respond I'm like wtf does that have to do with my points..some people really lack the critical thinking skills but try to talk about others..and those people wanna say blm but then act like this
His point isnt that hes still considered a man, its that his behaviour still isnt cool but people cant wrap theyre head around that, you all wanna focus on the age
def noodles definitely didnt watch even half of ur video. just says big buzzwords to sound smart to his sheep fan base even tho it doesnt make any sense
Dennis banks on the fact people will flock to his channel for quick synopsises of videos and not actually go back and fact check him. If you've never seen "The Def Noodles Iceberg Explained" or "This Video Will Make You Hate Def Noodles" by Nicholas DeOrio, I would give them a watch. How he responded to you and doubled down, shows that he's literally never changed from when those videos were uploaded almost a full year ago.
Honestly I avoided nick deorio cause he blocked me on Twitter for thinking he was 16 but now I can't anymore. He might actually be right an I have to watch the vid now with an open mind. I never thought I'd side with him but here I am lol
@@MyLoserBrain Nah, Nick is bad. Don’t watch his videos. He SOMETIMES makes good points when he’s not manipulating context & riding on bandwagons. Watched a few videos a couple years ago about someone, can’t remember who & he literally misrepresented the situation. He does stuff for views & makes lazy content. Don’t recommend.
I think everyone who can sit back and actually look at Def noodles can see that he’s just mad and wouldn’t have spoken to Papa unless he said he was wrong and Def was right.
Same unfortunately. Was in papas live last night and most of us fans of both papa and def but I can’t watch def the same anymore. His take on papa was the last straw for me. Def took it way too personal as he always does.
@@FreyaWarr lmao exactly. He literally posted a “story” the other day about how Kylie Jenner and Hailey Bieber parked in a handicapped spot… like wtf who caaaaares haha
Def isn’t used to human interaction. Having a conversation with you would make his brain explode. I saw a clip of him on H3 and he was like a robot whose social skills haven’t been programmed yet. He has never been programmed to critically think though unfortunately 😢 this response DOSE NOT COMPUTE for him. We should send him back to the manufacturer, he’s faulty.
I think most people would get nerves and become a bit stiff if they went on the H3 Podcast for the first time. Recording on your own channel and appearing on a large creators are two different things yknow
Papas gut fault and makes really offensive jokes and makes pedo jokes that get him banned of tik tok. I think he needs to be sent back first cause atleast Dennis cant think about that stuff
I've said this before but as a (old) Def Noodles fan I have completely converted to your side, I am very much disappointed by his behavior and this is truly the one thing that has open my eyes. I can now see that alot of the previous criticism he has gotten is very much valid, not only then but still now, because he seems to not grow from it. This makes me feel that when he supposedly left the Def Noodles persona behind he really only changed it for a new persona "Dennis". I cannot support him any further because it all feel so disingenuous, here he is talking over and over about how he hates false allegations and how he wants to present the facts in unbiased way and he wants the full truth to be known yet he turns around and pulls this shit! Fuck just a few days he was encouraging new comentators to join in the platform ALL FUCKING BULLSHIT! What's the point if he's just going to tear down anyone that doesn't agree with him! You won me over simply for the fact that you NEVER once insulted him, not only in the first video but also in your response, yet he right of the bat called you an incel on the title of his video. When you reacted to his video you kept a positive attitude towards him even after he threw insult after insult at you, you never attacked him never called him any names and never took anything to heart, yet he threw a literal tantrum because you disagreed with his stand! You reached out your hand in a friendly "let's talk" way but he just spat on it.
I Liked Deff from a pure “entertainment” stand point. However the hypocrisy is just to much. Dude wants to be taken seriously but can’t take any type of criticism. Not a good look to just ignore valid points, arguments, opinions ect when you label yourself as a “news” source. All of this made it really clear the dude is pandering to an audience of children with brain rot.
Unsubbed from def over this. I was thinking of doing so anyway but this situation was the final straw. I don’t mind disagreeing with his opinion, I do mind him deliberately misrepresenting people and weaponising his fans.
I hate the whole situation, i'm happy papa gut sees through the basic emotional manipulation. I never wish for white people to experience the same thing we do, BUT I can say that i've seen this dismissal of "smart" racism like that a lot. I'm proud that Papa is not backing down. Every xbox live kid should be in jail for "your mom" jokes, according to them.
How does Def noodles have fans? His career is literally spreading misinformation in hope he gets the most views. That’s literally why he was banned off twitter
Bro the comments on def noodles response are like some of his fans saying they're disappointed in him for the way he was talking to Mr. Gut, very interesting.
Thank you so much for standing up for SA survivors and speaking out against racism towards young black teens. As someone who is both a biracial black/white woman and a SA survivor your willingness as a content creator to speak on these issues despite the backlash and not just for the clicks/views is rare and reflects your genuine character as a man. I know the term "high-value man" is sort of a meme because of the manosphere community but Papa Gut you are an example of what a high-value man really means. It's not about how much money you make or your job title. It's about having character traits like integrity, honesty, respect, leadership, and courage, which you have displayed in this moment and throughout this whole situation. I had a feeling that Mama Gut had experienced some form of SA because the two of you had hinted at it. And I know this should be basic human decency and the bare minimum, but you standing up for your wife and every other man, woman, child who has been SA just really makes me feel something deep. As a SA assault survive, I have had my family and romantic partners often minimize my trauma and even use it to mock me or gaslight me into thinking I'm too sensitive when in fact, similar to how you describe your experience of talking to SA survivors it has taken me a lot to open up about it and when I tell people I don't even cry. The only person I have cried to about my SA is my best friend and my therapist bc they were the only people I felt safe around to not complain that I am seeking some form of self-pity or overexaggerating the trauma I experienced. At one point in dealing with my trauma, I became so emotionally repressed that I began losing my hair and having moments of uncontrollable rage outbursts over minor inconveniences. After years of different therapies and medications, I am in a much better place but I still experience symptoms of PTSD not only from the SA incident, but also from the way my family, friends, romantic partners, and society as a whole treats SA survivors. So thank you again! Thank you so much for giving me hope that one day I can find a partner like you the way Mama Gut did - not that Mama Gut can't handle herself! But having a supportive partner is so important, esp. if you have experienced SA.
As an SA survivor, thank you papa. Honestly and deeply. Thank you. The way you explain everything is truly feel and the 15 year old is 1000% over blowing this. She was crying over someone calling her a porn star behind her back 8 months ago... Yeah this ain't right and I'm so disappointed in def noodles. I really like his new but ouch this hurts as a fan.
Lysm Mama and Papa Gut 💕. As a large supporter of both Def and you Papa, I am extremely disheartened at all of this. My fiance and I actually got into an argument over all of this lastnight.. he largely agrees with Def while I largely agree with you. I was trying to explain so many of the things you've said in this video to him!! Mainly about his contradictory points. Some things can be mutually exclusive yes, however MOST of the "points" Def has in his response can not be. I'm so sick of this SJW bullshit and actually hurting real trauma survivor's!! It's honestly sickening.. BEING CALLED NAMES ONLINE ISN'T TRAUMATIC!!! Being fucking actually raped is. Being fucking actually sexually assaulted is! And I'm not even touching on the inherit racism here. Fuck man.
Thank you, and yes extremely hard to take this situation as a learning opportunity with all the negative BS thrown at each other. It's very disappointing to see how this situation has turned out!!! Very very frustrated with both Def and Pappa Gut! 2 wrongs don't make a right. All the pathetic name calling is very unnecessary from both creators. I hope both of yall rise above, and be the men I thought yall were! Leave it to disingenuous Keemstar to unknowingly start this beef between Def, and Pappa!
Lmao @ Justin Rustan fancy seeing you here baby😂 you found me talking about you 🙃 a lot of the stuff in Papa Gut's video is exactly what I was trying to explain to you last night mainly about all the contradicting things Def said in his response does that make sense to you now?
@@shanagross6043 lol I know right? Fancy seeing you here my LOVE! I do see the points you were talking about, and the contradictions as well! So sorry if my ignorance on the subjects you were explaining was frustrating! I've never been through anything like this, so I truly try to learn because I have strong empathy for all the people that are in these traumatic experiences, or just experiences in general! Hopefully everything settles so I can keep learning from both creators that truly both have a great amount of knowledge of these types of situations! That's why it's so surprising to see Def and Pappa Gut acting like this.
Today was not the day to have Papa Gut on auto play in the background while I’m doing homework. Papa went OFF (rightfully so) and blew my tv speaker out. Respect.
Thank you papa for this. In high school there was a situation that I still remember as being very uncomfortable. A guy was apparently going around guessing the cup size (bra size) of girls at the school to their face or in the vicinity where the girl could hear. He did it to me and it just made me feel icky. Like, deeply uncomfortable and I couldn't say anything back. I wouldn't say that was rape or an assault, he didn't touch me. It didn't make me cry and I wouldn't say it was traumatic although it made me self conscious. So for this girl to go on her platform and cry about words that she didn't even hear in real time makes me so annoyed. There's a real conversation to be had but the over exaggerated manner the Bee Family went about starting the conversation kills whatever genuine strides could have been made.
This whole situation is pissing me off I've been SA'd from the age of 7 to 14, sexually harassed both physically and verbally on the streets and then I look at these people making this seem like this girl is gonna forever traumatized to this and the bee family throwing in words like rape and pedo which is gonna stick in peoples heads the most pisses me tf off and the fact def noodles won't even acknowledge ur points upsets me more I had to unsubscribe to him. The boy didn't even say it directly to her, he shouldn't have said it at all but to make this seem like he did something even worse than what it was is irritating
if this isnt the thing that makes our papa blow up to 500k within the month, i dont know what the fuck will. hes absolutely correct on this entire take. it really sux that some ppl are cool and supportive to def and the bees on this. reeks ignorance.
All the comments saying she was SAd in a public sense is crazy to me she wasn’t even there she wouldn’t have heard any of this if she didn’t have a platform and or her brother didn’t go cry even tho he used the N word Just looked at the comments and people are defending you it makes me smile he’s getting shitted on in his own comments
def noodles only has a big enough brain capacity to talk about trisha as “drama” and that says a lot lmao. he deffo dosent wanna have a conversation either because he knows he has no REAL points & will just continue throwing swear words etc, i don’t get how he even has supporters even after his sniperwolf video defending her.
I have said it, and I will say it again, I hope Papa one day gains over a million followers so people can see and get well inform in situations. Very well deserved. Also hope Papa gets fit with a 12 pack abs.
This was such a good explanation. I hope that so many people hear your explanation of why what the Bee family did was fucked up, and it does get more conversations going about this. This is the best description/explanation I've heard of any of these very real issues.
I still didn't like how you went off on the 15 year old girl. Definitely the parent's are to blame. It was really shitty for her parents to lie about the kids age and called him a pedo. Especially if the other kid was black. Because the fact is so many black man have died or put in jail when white folks lie about something so serious.I am disappointed at this response from deaf noodles. Because Keemstar called him a pedo and that's the main issue Dennis has an issue with Keemstar. So it's hypocritical that Dennis is taking this stance.
Yeah, papa has acknowledged multiple times that it was not great of him to go off on her, it's her psycho stage parents fault for parading her in front of the camera, and let's be honest here, probably coaching her to cry and writing a script for her. I wish people would let it drop about her though. It is SO secondary to the main issue of purposefully saying a young black kid was an adult in order to drum up a hate mob against him. Like my God. Pre 1968 or so a situation like this could have ended in a lynching. Jfc. I would feel differently as well if they had any leg to stand on in making her out to be some kind of victim here, if anything they forced her to victimize herself. At worst she heard about something gross someone said about her second hand much later after the fact. That isn't the same as sexual harassment or sexual assault and greatly diminishes actual victims.
It sucks because I watched you both religiously, but dennis took a huge L on this conversation and left a sour taste in my mouth. Thanks for being a real one papa. W fat gump
I think society really does a disservice to actual Sexual Assaults by labeling harassment as sexual assault. It’s not ok and it’s not ok to include something as relatively benign as harassment to assaults such as rape, molestation etc
Def noodles adds nothing to the social conversation. He did not acknowledge the racial issues being discussed and he never will. But he’ll still call himself a commentator…
im getting Get Out vibes from the bee family i can clearly in my mind see them waving around tiki torches while they chase and harass this 17 year old black kid from platform to platform these nazis are trying to form a pity party when they are trying to figuratively lynch this kid
Damn, I’m super glad you called him out to begin with because I used to be a big fan of his; not anymore, definitely unsubscribing from Defnoodles. His intellectual dishonesty here is gross, he’s showing how biased and closed minded he is and I’m not interested in supporting that. Continue the good work, Papa 👍
This is a solid video. You made strong honest points that we can understand. Its rough trying too get a drama commentary puff to show that same type of honestly is way too much to ask.. shame on you for asking def to own up.
I used to love Dennis’ videos, and honestly have felt this way about it before this whole mess. So sad Dennis couldn’t just take a step back and listen to what Papa was saying considering I really felt like Dennis was smarter than he is acting.
I mean it could make sense if they are. They can't retaliate online if they wish to seek a civil lawsuit. Keeping my eyes open jus in case it happens tbh
This passion and energy for standing up for young black boys / men is SO important, especially this month. Wild that def could watch their video and his take away is to virtue signal for the “over sexualization” of the crying white girl before the OVERT micro aggressions and blatant racism. that’s BIAS, bro. he did the same thing when he completely misread the SSSniperwolf situation, which he never addressed. It’s giving me Ethan Klein energy - pushing narratives to an echo chamber for their own $$$ gain and ducking criticism and important conversations like these.
Did you see him do the podcast with Kilik? He took the time to listen, told kilik were he went wrong and WHY he shouldnt say certain things regardless of the platform. Instead of bashing the guy was being informative to HELP prevent this from happening again. Thats how you ACTUALLY help someone and a situation. Kilik isnt a dumb guy from what i heard. He is someone willing to listen and learn, its all about the aproach! Papa also spoke about why he understands Kilik and doesnt agree with the familys reaction. what Papa Gut did is way more productive and helpful to younger viewers and the community than what the Bee Family did. Papa Gut didnt baby Kilik the way the Bee family babied their son.
I’ve been through an incredible unreal amount of abuse trauma and suffering of my health and mind that every time I see someone these days putting such heavy words on minor uncomfortable interactions I just want to get angry and cry. These situations are not the same, hearing about how some random dude who doesnt even know you call you a pornstar is not the same as rape, sexual assault, or sexual harrassment. She won’t be living her life terrified of feeling a mans breath near her skin, being touched by an older man, or sexual advances by any future partners. She’ll forget this completely in a years time when the drama dies down.
when it comes to the SA conversation and the energy behind approaching it, i'm not sure on how i feel on any stance. now i'm a victim of SA but not violent r word. my situation was still traumatizing, despite the fact that it wasn't the latter. is it comparable in violence? not at all. do i still experience ptsd and trust issues from that? certainly. idk. different people handle things in different ways and i understand that the 15 yr old girl could've been very upset about him doing that to her. but i agree with the fact that the way the parents reacted was repulsive and it seemed oddly racially motivated
I think even this framing of saying that something was done "to" her is part of the problem here. At worst she heard that some dude she openly admitted to having absolutely zero idea who he was, said some gross stuff about her to her brother. It doesn't make Kiliks actions right, everyone pretty much has acknowledged that they were not. But in no way shape or form is this girl a victim in this situation, and framing her as such is part of what's really wrong with this B family. They have a huge platform and people see their videos and it's diminishing to actual victims of sexual harassment or sexual assault.
Hey, I’m a big def noodles fan. I can’t believe he acted like that lmfao I don’t think he’s able to have a debate of any kind. You killed that shit bro! I loved it when you flipped it on him and said “But you don’t know what’s in my heart.” 😂🤣 I fucking lost it bro! Im gonna be a big fan man! Can’t wait to watch your videos and twitch man! Epic bearded man! Papa’s the Bearded Legend!! 🔥🤘🏻🙌🏼
To anyone who tho def noodles would actually be a reasonable and fair person i wanna remind you all that def noodles was the same guy who was crying when a 15 year old kid made an expose video on him
Thank you for speaking on this passionately and clearly, as a white man. We need white voices to speak about the subtleties of racism that have detrimental effects. Thank you.
What bugs me most about def is his lack of empathy for killig, like the dude is going through pretty much the same thing def was when keem called him a pedophile.
I really respect your opinion here! Def noodles really lost alot of respect from me. These conversations are nessasary and benifit the audience. To shut down the conversation in such a immature way is astonishing to me.
You're absolutely in the right for thinking this was an incredibly irresponsible way of framing the situation by those parents, and Def Noodles sidestepped your entire concern. I never liked Def Noodles tbh his reporting is sensationalized and under researched..
It sucks because I like def noodles but this has really open my eyes I feel like we are in a whole other world people are so sensitive now and weaponize their platform it’s disgusting yeah he deserved getting suspended but not death threats and his career being destroyed
Studies have shown that people evaluate Black people are older. This is unfair as we expect more from them and we don’t allow them to have a childhood xx
Went to the community post and I'm actually glad to see that SOME people are taking your side in this situation. Granted, this isn't about sides, but I'm actually glad that some people are waking up and seeing how much of a con Def is.
He obviously doesn't want a conversation with you because he may look dumb to his audience being proven wrong with the disingenuous things he's been saying about your stance and the situation as a whole. It seems a lot of youtube news and commentary channels tend to lack critical thought and nuance these days, it's pretty sad to see.
As a child SA survivor, a survivor of sexual harassment in my adulthood, and a Black woman; thank you so much for your takes and trying to explain the severity of the Bee Family’s rhetoric and actions to your community and the internet in general.
Agreed, and Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Very important discourse indeed! ♥️
Agreed. I even went to the OG videos to see if anyone was pointing this out but weather it’s them deleting bad comments or everyone just agreeing papa gut is the only one pointing out the very real repercussions with their claims
def noodles clearly doesn’t understand the greatness of fat gump
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Yeah all the pedo jokes and bad takes
You mean Fat Online?
I’m pretty critical of Papa because I respect him. I respect his honesty, pursuit of knowledge and nuance and willingness to reflect and grow. I think this video in a nutshell is why I think he is one of the best creators in this genre. The fact that blatant racism is being completely overlooked and even supported by people like defnoodles is disgusting. Thanks for speaking on this.
Couldn’t agree more
100%, i've seen noodles twist and support stupid things before, but this is definitely a no-no. Glad other people can see this too.
Them constantly saying he had no good role models (or more blatantly bad or no parents) seemed extremely racist to me. Now, just like Papa, I'm an ignorant white guy, but blasting a kid online as adults in this way just did not sit right.
I don’t wanna be this guy but it’s spelled genre no disrespect I make that mistake too
@@brownie9266 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Unsubbed to Def. I don't want to hear someone misinforming me, no matter how virtuous they try to come off as.
@@Blake1720 exactly! I heard Def's coverage of the Bee family and the Sniper Wolf before Papa and Def gave me the wrong impression of the situation. I don't want to subscribe to someone that misleads me to begin with.
To expect any maturity from def noodles was a mistake that man is a defensive child
The Monsters Inc comment papa made in the original vid must be bouncing around in his head tbh 😂
This is honestly what I was expecting. Def’s ego is far too massive and fragile to have a real conversation or admit to any mistakes
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This take is 🅿️
Fr like def noodles is so toxic
This is the perfect take. Basically sums up what I chatted in papas live last night albeit in a much more angered way on my part lol 😆. I was feeling the passion 😃
I was surprised by def's response, haven't been following him for very long so im certainly not aware of his relationships with other creators besides Keemstar but I didn't think he was so biased and opposed to having open discourse. Is there something I missed where he's done this before?
It's gotta be super annoying to be THAT level of careful and thoughtful with your words in an hour and a half long response only to have it all disregarded and misrepresented. I truly wonder if Dennis actually believes what he wrote is his response.
He doesn't. Def noodles is incredibly disingenuous in nearly all his takes. He panders to sjws and his ultra leftist audience. He doesn't even believe the bs he's selling but he knows his viewers will eat it up. Look at the comments on his video, all of them shouting support for his objectively wrong and disingenuous shit takes.
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I make sure to get on each video and point this out in the comment section. 🤣 i get a good amount of likes doing so as well
Appreciate the passion you're a good dude, defnoodles won't debate you because he knows he's in the wrong.He'll write a whole essay about why he won't have a conversation instead lmao
Right! Lol. Def looking “mature” is him writing a whole essay when he could’ve just addressed it like an adult in the first place rather than resort to name calling 🙄
Papa gut is relevant to def noodles and the conversation would be papa gut trying to act like he does make pedo jokes and be professional. Isnt worth def noodles time
@@Lebowskiclean wdym def noodles called him a fuck every 2 seconds
I am so impressed by this guy
@@Lebowskiclean uh this statement doesn’t make sense
You make very good points in this my man
The biggest problem I have with this little back and forth is that when you go to his videos, his comments section is just a circle jerk of whatever dude decides to say. No matter what, def noodles is getting gassed up by some idiots and I think that will keep him from honestly joining the conversation
Killik is the only person that’s gonna be traumatized from this, dude was falsely labeled a predator to MILLIONS of people, now that’s traumatizing
It’s crazy the narrative they are trying to spin I didn’t even know the full extent .. it’s kids talking SHIT over games it happens everyday (not saying I’m ok with what was said) it was their kid so they took it personally.. it’s sucks it had to be offensive and hurt I just think it’s taken to far and they have a platform that could ruin someone’s life. We are getting so weak .. raising a bunch of sensitive kids I’m sorry but that is the way I feel!!!!!!!
That's what I said I was like I'm sorry but that girl is gonna cry over some words..she better learn how to not let insignificant crap get to her that bad
@@heyitsalannaluv omg right .. like I said it’s not nice but come on ..
@@dawnsunshine9304 ok it's not as bad and I even brought up emjtt till when talking to his "fans" and then they wanna say is my first language English like tf? I feel papa guts anger and I feel so mad too bc these people just don't get it
@@heyitsalannaluv you said it just like my mom did to me too. And those words have saved my adult life so far. Also a favorite, sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
@@heyitsalannaluv fr fr, like I keep saying in reference to internet shit talk. Jus turn the computer off goofy. As someone who literally had pics of my minor self on hate pages for scene kids on Facebook back when I was 15, I can say for a fact that if you let it bother you then it'll jus get worse. I've been SAed at the horrid age of 6-9 an then was SAed throughout my teens an early adulthood so I feel like equating words to actually assault is jus tone deaf an gross imo. It diminishes what me an many others have gone through an makes our voices quieter, not louder.
I was having an interesting conversation with people in the comments and tell me why people were still calling that kid a grown man bc he's 17..Like people don't do any research and just spit out the same talking points ..like people just want to defend def without actually addressing the real issue at hand
@🦋Timileyin Destinee🦋 def and his fans don’t understand critical thinking apparently
@@stephanieluminous3116 they don't! Like it's wild..someone also is like is English your first language..I didn't even respond I'm like wtf does that have to do with my points..some people really lack the critical thinking skills but try to talk about others..and those people wanna say blm but then act like this
@@CringeyGames you are absolutely correct
His point isnt that hes still considered a man, its that his behaviour still isnt cool but people cant wrap theyre head around that, you all wanna focus on the age
@🦋Timileyin Destinee🦋 if you think what he did was just jokes, theres the problem
def noodles definitely didnt watch even half of ur video. just says big buzzwords to sound smart to his sheep fan base even tho it doesnt make any sense
You just described most popular content creators on the internet with toxic followings
@@Fluffyguy958 true and real
Dennis banks on the fact people will flock to his channel for quick synopsises of videos and not actually go back and fact check him. If you've never seen "The Def Noodles Iceberg Explained" or "This Video Will Make You Hate Def Noodles" by Nicholas DeOrio, I would give them a watch. How he responded to you and doubled down, shows that he's literally never changed from when those videos were uploaded almost a full year ago.
Or Kavo’s video is good too
👀 I will be checking that out
Honestly I avoided nick deorio cause he blocked me on Twitter for thinking he was 16 but now I can't anymore. He might actually be right an I have to watch the vid now with an open mind. I never thought I'd side with him but here I am lol
@Gummy Frogs yeah I watched his iceberg vid on Def an my eyes are fully open now.
@@MyLoserBrain
Nah, Nick is bad. Don’t watch his videos. He SOMETIMES makes good points when he’s not manipulating context & riding on bandwagons.
Watched a few videos a couple years ago about someone, can’t remember who & he literally misrepresented the situation. He does stuff for views & makes lazy content. Don’t recommend.
Damn, I was hoping it wouldn't have gone this way but kind of expected it sadly
Def noodles is just too lost in the internet sauce
I think everyone who can sit back and actually look at Def noodles can see that he’s just mad and wouldn’t have spoken to Papa unless he said he was wrong and Def was right.
Same unfortunately. Was in papas live last night and most of us fans of both papa and def but I can’t watch def the same anymore. His take on papa was the last straw for me. Def took it way too personal as he always does.
This is really unfortunate. I started watching Def during the Frenemies drama, but his stories suck and his hypocrisy has crossed the line for me.
Lol “his story suck” You mean his 905 videos about how much keemstar sucks?
@@FreyaWarr lmao exactly. He literally posted a “story” the other day about how Kylie Jenner and Hailey Bieber parked in a handicapped spot… like wtf who caaaaares haha
I love your videos, I just play them in the background while I do my homework lol
I do while i play dying light 2 😁 #reviewtechpapagut
lol same
I do the same thing! Lol this is my college life saver.
Me too but the screaming on this one terrified me 😂
I’m literally in my class rn
Def isn’t used to human interaction. Having a conversation with you would make his brain explode. I saw a clip of him on H3 and he was like a robot whose social skills haven’t been programmed yet. He has never been programmed to critically think though unfortunately 😢 this response DOSE NOT COMPUTE for him. We should send him back to the manufacturer, he’s faulty.
I also thought he was a bit wooden in the h3 podcast…
Yea fr i couldn’t even finish the episode i was cringing so hard he looked like he was held hostage lmao
I only saw clips from the podcast an it was so hard to even watch that. I 100% agree with you on sending him back to the manufacturer lmao
I think most people would get nerves and become a bit stiff if they went on the H3 Podcast for the first time. Recording on your own channel and appearing on a large creators are two different things yknow
Papas gut fault and makes really offensive jokes and makes pedo jokes that get him banned of tik tok. I think he needs to be sent back first cause atleast Dennis cant think about that stuff
Regardless of who's wrong and who's right, it's obvious one person is more close minded then the other
this is just the Roblox version of To Kill a Mocking Bird
The confidence and ignorance is what gets me, because he will obviously not watch this video and won’t educate himself
Thank u Papa, you’re making an excellent point about the maturation of black boys, they called 12 year old Tamir Rice a man
I've said this before but as a (old) Def Noodles fan I have completely converted to your side, I am very much disappointed by his behavior and this is truly the one thing that has open my eyes. I can now see that alot of the previous criticism he has gotten is very much valid, not only then but still now, because he seems to not grow from it. This makes me feel that when he supposedly left the Def Noodles persona behind he really only changed it for a new persona "Dennis". I cannot support him any further because it all feel so disingenuous, here he is talking over and over about how he hates false allegations and how he wants to present the facts in unbiased way and he wants the full truth to be known yet he turns around and pulls this shit! Fuck just a few days he was encouraging new comentators to join in the platform ALL FUCKING BULLSHIT! What's the point if he's just going to tear down anyone that doesn't agree with him! You won me over simply for the fact that you NEVER once insulted him, not only in the first video but also in your response, yet he right of the bat called you an incel on the title of his video. When you reacted to his video you kept a positive attitude towards him even after he threw insult after insult at you, you never attacked him never called him any names and never took anything to heart, yet he threw a literal tantrum because you disagreed with his stand! You reached out your hand in a friendly "let's talk" way but he just spat on it.
Papa is the man of the people
I Liked Deff from a pure “entertainment” stand point. However the hypocrisy is just to much. Dude wants to be taken seriously but can’t take any type of criticism. Not a good look to just ignore valid points, arguments, opinions ect when you label yourself as a “news” source. All of this made it really clear the dude is pandering to an audience of children with brain rot.
Exactly what I was thinking !!!
Unsubbed from def over this. I was thinking of doing so anyway but this situation was the final straw. I don’t mind disagreeing with his opinion, I do mind him deliberately misrepresenting people and weaponising his fans.
I hate the whole situation, i'm happy papa gut sees through the basic emotional manipulation. I never wish for white people to experience the same thing we do, BUT I can say that i've seen this dismissal of "smart" racism like that a lot. I'm proud that Papa is not backing down.
Every xbox live kid should be in jail for "your mom" jokes, according to them.
I LOVE PAPA GUT’s PASSION WHEN HE CARES ABOUT A SUBJECT 😭🥰
How does Def noodles have fans? His career is literally spreading misinformation in hope he gets the most views. That’s literally why he was banned off twitter
I was disappointed by his response too.
This is the best example of Papas ability to see past peoples fake shit and get to the true intentions of people
Bro the comments on def noodles response are like some of his fans saying they're disappointed in him for the way he was talking to Mr. Gut, very interesting.
Thank you so much for standing up for SA survivors and speaking out against racism towards young black teens. As someone who is both a biracial black/white woman and a SA survivor your willingness as a content creator to speak on these issues despite the backlash and not just for the clicks/views is rare and reflects your genuine character as a man. I know the term "high-value man" is sort of a meme because of the manosphere community but Papa Gut you are an example of what a high-value man really means. It's not about how much money you make or your job title. It's about having character traits like integrity, honesty, respect, leadership, and courage, which you have displayed in this moment and throughout this whole situation.
I had a feeling that Mama Gut had experienced some form of SA because the two of you had hinted at it. And I know this should be basic human decency and the bare minimum, but you standing up for your wife and every other man, woman, child who has been SA just really makes me feel something deep. As a SA assault survive, I have had my family and romantic partners often minimize my trauma and even use it to mock me or gaslight me into thinking I'm too sensitive when in fact, similar to how you describe your experience of talking to SA survivors it has taken me a lot to open up about it and when I tell people I don't even cry. The only person I have cried to about my SA is my best friend and my therapist bc they were the only people I felt safe around to not complain that I am seeking some form of self-pity or overexaggerating the trauma I experienced. At one point in dealing with my trauma, I became so emotionally repressed that I began losing my hair and having moments of uncontrollable rage outbursts over minor inconveniences. After years of different therapies and medications, I am in a much better place but I still experience symptoms of PTSD not only from the SA incident, but also from the way my family, friends, romantic partners, and society as a whole treats SA survivors. So thank you again! Thank you so much for giving me hope that one day I can find a partner like you the way Mama Gut did - not that Mama Gut can't handle herself! But having a supportive partner is so important, esp. if you have experienced SA.
As an SA survivor, thank you papa. Honestly and deeply. Thank you. The way you explain everything is truly feel and the 15 year old is 1000% over blowing this. She was crying over someone calling her a porn star behind her back 8 months ago... Yeah this ain't right and I'm so disappointed in def noodles. I really like his new but ouch this hurts as a fan.
Lysm Mama and Papa Gut 💕. As a large supporter of both Def and you Papa, I am extremely disheartened at all of this. My fiance and I actually got into an argument over all of this lastnight.. he largely agrees with Def while I largely agree with you. I was trying to explain so many of the things you've said in this video to him!! Mainly about his contradictory points. Some things can be mutually exclusive yes, however MOST of the "points" Def has in his response can not be. I'm so sick of this SJW bullshit and actually hurting real trauma survivor's!! It's honestly sickening.. BEING CALLED NAMES ONLINE ISN'T TRAUMATIC!!! Being fucking actually raped is. Being fucking actually sexually assaulted is! And I'm not even touching on the inherit racism here. Fuck man.
Thank u!! It's so frustrating
Thank you, and yes extremely hard to take this situation as a learning opportunity with all the negative BS thrown at each other. It's very disappointing to see how this situation has turned out!!! Very very frustrated with both Def and Pappa Gut! 2 wrongs don't make a right. All the pathetic name calling is very unnecessary from both creators. I hope both of yall rise above, and be the men I thought yall were! Leave it to disingenuous Keemstar to unknowingly start this beef between Def, and Pappa!
Lmao @ Justin Rustan fancy seeing you here baby😂 you found me talking about you 🙃 a lot of the stuff in Papa Gut's video is exactly what I was trying to explain to you last night mainly about all the contradicting things Def said in his response does that make sense to you now?
I got into the same argument with my bf over this an he jus didn't get it. He doesn't even like Def but he jus refused to understand how wrong he was.
@@shanagross6043 lol I know right? Fancy seeing you here my LOVE! I do see the points you were talking about, and the contradictions as well! So sorry if my ignorance on the subjects you were explaining was frustrating! I've never been through anything like this, so I truly try to learn because I have strong empathy for all the people that are in these traumatic experiences, or just experiences in general! Hopefully everything settles so I can keep learning from both creators that truly both have a great amount of knowledge of these types of situations! That's why it's so surprising to see Def and Pappa Gut acting like this.
lowkey i thank def noodles for this situation. because i never watched your content but now i'm subscribed lol
🤣😂
Today was not the day to have Papa Gut on auto play in the background while I’m doing homework. Papa went OFF (rightfully so) and blew my tv speaker out. Respect.
Def noodles is honestly a walking meme at this point. Some peeps even call him defamation noodles.... for good reason.
Thank you papa for this. In high school there was a situation that I still remember as being very uncomfortable. A guy was apparently going around guessing the cup size (bra size) of girls at the school to their face or in the vicinity where the girl could hear. He did it to me and it just made me feel icky. Like, deeply uncomfortable and I couldn't say anything back. I wouldn't say that was rape or an assault, he didn't touch me. It didn't make me cry and I wouldn't say it was traumatic although it made me self conscious. So for this girl to go on her platform and cry about words that she didn't even hear in real time makes me so annoyed. There's a real conversation to be had but the over exaggerated manner the Bee Family went about starting the conversation kills whatever genuine strides could have been made.
No one ever wants to have a peaceful discussion anymore. It's really frustrating. Makes me so disappointed in Def Noodles.
He will never respond cause your right and makes him look incredibly stupid.
He will respond, just triple down as hard, but he would NEVER have a conversation with papa because he knows papa would destroy him
He would respond but just take everything out of context and not watch the full video but he will never ever have a conversation
He did and he took full responsibility for his actions.
I like the energy of anger here. It absolutely fits.
At EXACTLY 25:53 Papa Gut makes his microphone get off......niiiiiiice.
This whole situation is pissing me off I've been SA'd from the age of 7 to 14, sexually harassed both physically and verbally on the streets and then I look at these people making this seem like this girl is gonna forever traumatized to this and the bee family throwing in words like rape and pedo which is gonna stick in peoples heads the most pisses me tf off and the fact def noodles won't even acknowledge ur points upsets me more I had to unsubscribe to him. The boy didn't even say it directly to her, he shouldn't have said it at all but to make this seem like he did something even worse than what it was is irritating
if this isnt the thing that makes our papa blow up to 500k within the month, i dont know what the fuck will. hes absolutely correct on this entire take. it really sux that some ppl are cool and supportive to def and the bees on this. reeks ignorance.
I gotta say I don’t think the bee families intentionally being racist. I think they just hate the kid for insulting their son and daughter. Idk tho
The sun shines a little brighter every time Papa speaks some obvious truth into the world like this
All the comments saying she was SAd in a public sense is crazy to me she wasn’t even there she wouldn’t have heard any of this if she didn’t have a platform and or her brother didn’t go cry even tho he used the N word
Just looked at the comments and people are defending you it makes me smile he’s getting shitted on in his own comments
There's a reason why people call him Defamation Noodle.
Who? Brain dead keemstar fans
def noodles only has a big enough brain capacity to talk about trisha as “drama” and that says a lot lmao. he deffo dosent wanna have a conversation either because he knows he has no REAL points & will just continue throwing swear words etc, i don’t get how he even has supporters even after his sniperwolf video defending her.
He’s over his head on this one I’m afraid. Plus he is too obsessed with keemstar to put any serious thought into anything else…
I have said it, and I will say it again, I hope Papa one day gains over a million followers so people can see and get well inform in situations. Very well deserved. Also hope Papa gets fit with a 12 pack abs.
This was such a good explanation. I hope that so many people hear your explanation of why what the Bee family did was fucked up, and it does get more conversations going about this. This is the best description/explanation I've heard of any of these very real issues.
its crazy how some of these people dont understand or wont listen to papa's truth. He is so passionate about this and I respect that man.
I still didn't like how you went off on the 15 year old girl. Definitely the parent's are to blame. It was really shitty for her parents to lie about the kids age and called him a pedo. Especially if the other kid was black. Because the fact is so many black man have died or put in jail when white folks lie about something so serious.I am disappointed at this response from deaf noodles. Because Keemstar called him a pedo and that's the main issue Dennis has an issue with Keemstar. So it's hypocritical that Dennis is taking this stance.
Yeah, papa has acknowledged multiple times that it was not great of him to go off on her, it's her psycho stage parents fault for parading her in front of the camera, and let's be honest here, probably coaching her to cry and writing a script for her. I wish people would let it drop about her though. It is SO secondary to the main issue of purposefully saying a young black kid was an adult in order to drum up a hate mob against him. Like my God. Pre 1968 or so a situation like this could have ended in a lynching. Jfc. I would feel differently as well if they had any leg to stand on in making her out to be some kind of victim here, if anything they forced her to victimize herself. At worst she heard about something gross someone said about her second hand much later after the fact. That isn't the same as sexual harassment or sexual assault and greatly diminishes actual victims.
They hispanic bozo
@@joshentertainment2 doesn't matter-a Hispanic
It sucks because I watched you both religiously, but dennis took a huge L on this conversation and left a sour taste in my mouth. Thanks for being a real one papa. W fat gump
I can't stand him by now, stopped watching him a few months ago. There was a time when I watched him every day.
I think society really does a disservice to actual Sexual Assaults by labeling harassment as sexual assault. It’s not ok and it’s not ok to include something as relatively benign as harassment to assaults such as rape, molestation etc
Seeing a white man go hard for a young black man against non-black people is amazing. Thanks for standing up for him
Def noodles adds nothing to the social conversation. He did not acknowledge the racial issues being discussed and he never will. But he’ll still call himself a commentator…
im getting Get Out vibes from the bee family i can clearly in my mind see them waving around tiki torches while they chase and harass this 17 year old black kid from platform to platform these nazis are trying to form a pity party when they are trying to figuratively lynch this kid
I’m so very seriously proud of you, man.
i love listening to papa gut while doing my pre-cal college homework
Damn, I’m super glad you called him out to begin with because I used to be a big fan of his; not anymore, definitely unsubscribing from Defnoodles. His intellectual dishonesty here is gross, he’s showing how biased and closed minded he is and I’m not interested in supporting that.
Continue the good work, Papa 👍
This is a solid video. You made strong honest points that we can understand. Its rough trying too get a drama commentary puff to show that same type of honestly is way too much to ask.. shame on you for asking def to own up.
Yeah, papa shoulda known better lol
Well, this finally made me unsub from Def, so there is that outcome.
I felt i had to, also. PG is so right, here
Def noodles is even worse than keemstar and that’s alarming
I used to love Dennis’ videos, and honestly have felt this way about it before this whole mess. So sad Dennis couldn’t just take a step back and listen to what Papa was saying considering I really felt like Dennis was smarter than he is acting.
I'm kinda surprised kilik's parents haven't said anything to the bee family yet. I haven't seen anything, I hope they sue them tbh
I mean it could make sense if they are. They can't retaliate online if they wish to seek a civil lawsuit. Keeping my eyes open jus in case it happens tbh
Def honestly regurgitates TH-cam comments and spins it into drama and claims to be a content creator. He’s needs to learn to take it on the chin.
This passion and energy for standing up for young black boys / men is SO important, especially this month. Wild that def could watch their video and his take away is to virtue signal for the “over sexualization” of the crying white girl before the OVERT micro aggressions and blatant racism. that’s BIAS, bro. he did the same thing when he completely misread the SSSniperwolf situation, which he never addressed. It’s giving me Ethan Klein energy - pushing narratives to an echo chamber for their own $$$ gain and ducking criticism and important conversations like these.
Did you see him do the podcast with Kilik? He took the time to listen, told kilik were he went wrong and WHY he shouldnt say certain things regardless of the platform. Instead of bashing the guy was being informative to HELP prevent this from happening again. Thats how you ACTUALLY help someone and a situation. Kilik isnt a dumb guy from what i heard. He is someone willing to listen and learn, its all about the aproach! Papa also spoke about why he understands Kilik and doesnt agree with the familys reaction. what Papa Gut did is way more productive and helpful to younger viewers and the community than what the Bee Family did. Papa Gut didnt baby Kilik the way the Bee family babied their son.
I’ve been through an incredible unreal amount of abuse trauma and suffering of my health and mind that every time I see someone these days putting such heavy words on minor uncomfortable interactions I just want to get angry and cry. These situations are not the same, hearing about how some random dude who doesnt even know you call you a pornstar is not the same as rape, sexual assault, or sexual harrassment. She won’t be living her life terrified of feeling a mans breath near her skin, being touched by an older man, or sexual advances by any future partners. She’ll forget this completely in a years time when the drama dies down.
when it comes to the SA conversation and the energy behind approaching it, i'm not sure on how i feel on any stance.
now i'm a victim of SA but not violent r word.
my situation was still traumatizing, despite the fact that it wasn't the latter. is it comparable in violence? not at all. do i still experience ptsd and trust issues from that? certainly.
idk. different people handle things in different ways and i understand that the 15 yr old girl could've been very upset about him doing that to her.
but i agree with the fact that the way the parents reacted was repulsive and it seemed oddly racially motivated
I think even this framing of saying that something was done "to" her is part of the problem here. At worst she heard that some dude she openly admitted to having absolutely zero idea who he was, said some gross stuff about her to her brother. It doesn't make Kiliks actions right, everyone pretty much has acknowledged that they were not. But in no way shape or form is this girl a victim in this situation, and framing her as such is part of what's really wrong with this B family. They have a huge platform and people see their videos and it's diminishing to actual victims of sexual harassment or sexual assault.
I appreciate you so much Papa Gut, as a mother of young black boys, I hope everyone is listening to you right now. Thank you
Hey, I’m a big def noodles fan. I can’t believe he acted like that lmfao I don’t think he’s able to have a debate of any kind. You killed that shit bro! I loved it when you flipped it on him and said “But you don’t know what’s in my heart.” 😂🤣 I fucking lost it bro! Im gonna be a big fan man! Can’t wait to watch your videos and twitch man! Epic bearded man! Papa’s the Bearded Legend!! 🔥🤘🏻🙌🏼
To anyone who tho def noodles would actually be a reasonable and fair person i wanna remind you all that def noodles was the same guy who was crying when a 15 year old kid made an expose video on him
Thank you for speaking on this passionately and clearly, as a white man. We need white voices to speak about the subtleties of racism that have detrimental effects. Thank you.
Watch def ignore victims of csa to side with racists. Im angry and hurt. Well done for seeing this as it is x.
Let it all out papa gut im proud of you for standing up when no one would
Subscribed!! Finally someone with some sense! As a childhood & teenage SA survivor it’s lovely to hear someone tackle this topic with such nuance 🖤
They don’t call him Defamation Noodles for nothin
Def and keen are literally two sides of the same coin
On another note: Jimin!
How old is Def? Like what an ego and unprofessional, narrow-minded response
26, which is sad because he acts 12
What bugs me most about def is his lack of empathy for killig, like the dude is going through pretty much the same thing def was when keem called him a pedophile.
They did edit the "father figure" comment out of the section question his role models to dodge that dog whistle in the first video.
keep fighting the good fight papa gut! Def noodle must mean Noodle man being def to listen to Mr. Papa's main point.
Pretty sure the only research def noodles does is watch whatever Family Guy episode somewhat resembles life. He just comes off as that kind of person
Thank you for speaking out on a topic no one seems to want to address, Papa Gut 👏
def noodles thinks in 360p. that's some low resolution, surface leveling reasoning.
I really respect your opinion here! Def noodles really lost alot of respect from me. These conversations are nessasary and benifit the audience. To shut down the conversation in such a immature way is astonishing to me.
Defs fans are DRAGGING him for misrepresenting you the way he did. I'm glad people are holding him accountable.
You're absolutely in the right for thinking this was an incredibly irresponsible way of framing the situation by those parents, and Def Noodles sidestepped your entire concern. I never liked Def Noodles tbh his reporting is sensationalized and under researched..
It sucks because I like def noodles but this has really open my eyes I feel like we are in a whole other world people are so sensitive now and weaponize their platform it’s disgusting yeah he deserved getting suspended but not death threats and his career being destroyed
Studies have shown that people evaluate
Black people are older. This is unfair as we expect more from them and we don’t allow them to have a childhood xx
Yup, def noodles never fails to annnoy me
Went to the community post and I'm actually glad to see that SOME people are taking your side in this situation. Granted, this isn't about sides, but I'm actually glad that some people are waking up and seeing how much of a con Def is.
There’s a right and a wrong tho not about sides. But defs response & coverage was AWFUL. It doesn’t seem like he did ANY research.
@@maggottchan Def doesn’t know what doing research means
loving that the comments (NOW) on that community post are all calling him on his bs while not being disrespectful
He obviously doesn't want a conversation with you because he may look dumb to his audience being proven wrong with the disingenuous things he's been saying about your stance and the situation as a whole.
It seems a lot of youtube news and commentary channels tend to lack critical thought and nuance these days, it's pretty sad to see.
Def noodle should feel embarrassed watching this.
I would put money on def not being able to make a single video without talking about keem lmao
holy shit, that is why i stopped watching him-practically every day he ranting on keem-soooo tiring and borring
Tbh I don’t see how anyone can see this as a race issue. This is Def’s last strike for me, he’s just fake woke