HSE: The Light Aspect & DirkJake
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Today, we talk about my favorite pairing in Homestuck-Dirk and Jake. Let's take a peek at how these two sort of lay the foundation for the entire mythos of the story, and, in a sense, bear the karmic consequences for it.
Hope you all enjoy, and until next time,
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Dirk and Jake created patriarchy by not going to couple's therapy.
LoL, go to couples therapy kids, it'll save lives
4:34
You're right, but damn did I not need to hear that today with my own two ears.
Seconded!
You know, if Jake is associated with Abraxas, who is associated with frogs, and Dirk has a thing for puppets, but also has a thing for Jake, and their lives are controlled by symbolism and inevitability...
Then it only makes sense that Dirk's first crush was on Kermit the Frog. Dirk's sexual awakening was to Kermit the Frog memes, and I am 100% on that. He saw the meme of Kermit bending over and spreading his puppet hole and Dirk made the Rainbow Connection.
It's a horrible notion, but I believe horrible but symbolically significant notions are what Homestuck is founded on.
I fucking LOVE this, thank you fur burning out my eyes.
So glad i came back to this video to read this
Thank you for your insight. I am now going to look at the sun and burn my retinas out
thank you for being kind to Dirk... he's one of my favorite characters. I love the ways in which you describe him, because I very much agree. Dirk has such a huge accountability problem... he feels so responsible for so many things, which leads people to read him as selfish for over-focusing on his own actions and the role that he plays in how well or poorly things go. but he is also a deeply caring person. the reason he holds himself to such high standards is because he wants to be able to achieve things that are good for the people he loves, and that can be a monumentally tall task. he's willing to take it on, but has the problem of thinking he has to be 100% qualified to do all of it 100% of the time, or else he has failed. and his inability to leave things alone... his drive to be involved in finding solutions? that gives him a lot of opportunities to mess things up, which is something he's incredibly hard on himself for. and to be honest, Dirk himself doesn't actually mess up all that much within homestuck.
but yeah... I'm just always happy to see someone talk about his character.
Agreed, but honestly, i feel like Dirk's character makes a 180° change in the épilogues, and hs2, I really wish we could cover more on the topic, becase there are some things he does or says that make little to no sense in my eyes, and I've read some essays and analysis's on the internet, who explain it quite well(will link them if needed) but with each answered question, three more arise!
@@twincharlatan2792 see like... I've never really been interested in reading the epilogues or HS2 based on personal preference. I've heard summaries and tidbits of what happened in them, and I honestly don't like the direction they take, or outright disagree with their characterization altogether, and I have a feeling Dirk would be a huge sticking point for me, especially considering some of the stuff I've heard... but that's neither here nor there. I didn't really want an epilogue for homestuck. or at least not one that functioned like the same type of big epic story that homestuck was. if we were going to get more content of these characters at all, I think something akin to paradox space would've been more my speed. I don't want them to have big epic conflicts anymore. I want them to get, and keep, what they earned in homestuck. at the very least I want these people to continue to like each other... and tossing out a character's whole personality in order to make a villain because your story doesn't have one anymore and you really feel like you want/need one for the type of big epic story you wanna tell is just... just like... I don't want it.
anyway, this runs the risk of becoming some big old rant, and I'm honestly not here to be disparaging to anyone who could enjoy the epilogues or HS2... if you can like it, good on you. liking things is great. and if I can compliment HS2 on anything, it's the visual style of it cuz holy god the art coming out of this thing is gorgeous. I just... really wish I could like it. but homestuck really is over.
@@loregoblin3854 the characters were the main thing I loved the most and seeing what happened to them and what they are doing in epilogues and hs2... it disgustes me, so I try to stay away from all of it. they deserved their happy ending, but instead they are being made in bad people in some way or another.
@@DeathKitta yeah, that really is the main thing of it for me. in homestuck, bad stuff sometimes happened to the characters, but it was always so they could have something to struggle against. the more serious it was, the more the triumph of success meant. what they earned mattered, and they got to keep what they earned, even if they would go on to be threatened again in new and different ways. that was satisfying, especially because the characters enjoyed each other's company and made you want to be along for the ride with them in their story. that was important because each character was "you" whenever they were the focal point of the narrative. we wanted these characters to be good people so that we could enjoy relating to them. this aspect of homestuck worked really well... and now, I just don't trust the narrative to know what I found interesting about homestuck. I don't trust the narrative to maintain that.
@@twincharlatan2792 can you link those essays? I would like to read them.
"Dirk is actually best boy, and has never done anything wrong in his life"
you're right and you should say it! and the other stuff about religion and masculinity and sexuality was cool too ig
doesnt he really really hate trans people
@@bijtmntongaf we dont talk about the epilouges here.
@@bijtmntongaf in hs he doesnt.
But epilogues fucked his character up.
@@bijtmntongaf Even if we consider the Epilogues, it's not "Dirk hates trans people", but 1) Frames intentionally frames himself as evil and thus does everything to make the readers see him as evil 2) It's hard for him to remember to call [spoiler] with the right pronoun. It's transphobic, but it's not hatred, which is exactly the problem of the word "transphobia" and why it causes confusion.
@@shiluu7129 That is the *Prince of Heart* acting out of character
Therapist: Little Boy Wife Doc scratch can't hurt you, they aren't real
Little Boy Wife Doc Scratch:
4:40 even being the one saying it, I can see the pain and instant regret in even acknowledging that sentence existing in their eyes
"Dirk is actually best boi, and has never done anything wrong in his life."
They hated him because he told the truth 🤧
I was like
"Damn, lord English sucks as a villain ."
Until you were like
"He represents both capatalism and toxic masculinity"
Also the inability to mature, RPG munchkins (partially), bad Homestuck fans, and the inevitability of death.
@@usuario9059 explain
The Christian coding of dirkjake,, finally someone said it
I have no idea how this really has anything to do with the light aspect but this dirk and jake analysis was fantastic.
I suppose it’s because light is an aspect of knowledge. As the knowledge passed through the humans, trolls, and cherubs, and the way that it is circulated throughout the narrative shows its impact to us. If light shows it’s keepers information, then in a way light is the secondary aspect for this self perpetuating circle, right behind time of course, allowing the knowledge to pass between each iteration.
....I have no idea if I explained that the way i hear it in my head....sorry if I’m just running in circles.
@@mjsteward8747 just "knowledge" is extremely vague and pretty all-encompassing though. However I suppose aspects are fairly vague to begin with. Idk just seems like a vague connection just because it is "knowledge". The vrisezi connection was also vague in this regard as well imo. I think this probably should have just been a 'dirkjake in their relation to caliborn' video because that part of the video was really good.
Enduh fair enough, like I said, I’m not really sure I’m covering it the way I hear in my head, so not everything I said is necessarily going to make since
light in homestuck relates to truth and enlightment
particularly enlightment and truth relating to oneself
it is also very symbolic of the romantic moments within the comic, all of them happening while the characters are sorrounded in beight shining lights or cause said bright lights to shine
the comic is basically stating that through close connections, through love, one can reach a form of enlightment
It's about light being symbolic to things, not the aspect of Light itself, that was a little over-analysis on OD's part. Maybe it was easier to understand in the original essay:optimisticduelist2.tumblr.com/post/159546066932/lilith-in-starlight-light-as-a-romantic-motif-in
There's a really important aspect to ult!Dirk that people seem to continually be ignoring.
Dirk became all possible versions of himself within that single version present in the meat timeline.
This includes the parts of him that are literally *part* of Lord English and all the parts being influenced directly by him (Bro). This is even reflected in all of the language that Dirk seems to use in his narration. There are points where he absolutely talks with the same patterns as caliborn and it's not hard to connect the dots in why Dirks self sacrificial tendencies, inclination towards already viewing himself as the villian and Lord englishs desire for a forward moving plot with action resulted in dirk basically going off and doing the exact same thing Lord English would do. Create a new planet and species in which to continue the "plot" of Homestuck.
Not enough people pick up on this. Thank you for spelling it out so succinctly.
I will tattoo ”dirk is best boy and has never done anything wrong” on my body LOL
did you do it?
I can listen to you talking about Dirk, Jake and DirkJake forever!
oh no, if Scratch was LE's wife
he had a stuffed fabric body and he was designed by a dude that draws anime
he's LE's body pillow XD
Im so glad there are people who still get Dirks character. Hes my fav, and just like you said, the best boi. I was so upset over what hs2 did to him
Sorry for my bad english
i have NEVER clicked so fast when i saw my aspect and my favourite ship
ok now im sobbing thanks
@@lara8866 only a minute in and you're sobbing D: i cried earlier so not now i guess lolll
@@darwinwatterson4568 yeah :(
What you said about Dirk’s desire for intimacy on all levels with Jake kinda reminds me of Jupiter’s struggle during We Know The Devil
Thank you...I cried by the end a little.
your videos always make me rethink like all of homestuck and make me need to re read it in a new light... but in a good way!! amazing analysis.
edit: grammar!
I listen to people talk about Jake, go on and on about his deeper qualities- and I get it! Like, I listen to them talk, I understand what they're saying, that Jake is way more complex than the surface narrative presents him as... but, man. Once I'm done listening to those takes, I just stop seeing the depth. There is something about Jake, some aspect of him that completely keeps me from seeing past the persona he presents, as a silly, somewhat pointless joke.
I'm sure that Jake himself couldn't be happier about this.
(Also it's probably the way he talks, that manner of speech is UTTERLY inscrutable to me. I cannot imagine any deeper scenarios or conversations for him because I cannot properly envision a single line of Jake-style dialogue that doesn't seem hokey and fake.)
Oh yes. Layers upon layers of affectation, masking and "convenient" misunderstandings. What I would like to understand is WHY.
This is in direct contrast with Dirk, who is perpetually intense and unhidden in a manner that he himself appears unable to stop. Opposites attract?
It's all these complex layers to mask the one simple truth Jake is afraid of facing: he's scared he doesn't live up to his friend's expectations.
Remember he's a teen boy who grew up on an island, isolated and without human contact when his grandmother died when he was very young. He used the excitement and adventure from movies to feel better about himself and try modeling his own life after them, even though reality is so much scarier and complicated. Thus, Jake spent much of his youth playing up his "adventure man persona" to his ONLINE friends, when they meet in person he realises he's not like that at all (nobody can be that way). Yet, it's so much easier to pretend that as long as you don't look too hard into it, don't let things get messy, things are going to be a-ok and work out in the end. He's a boy that runs from personal accountability because he's afraid of facing facts about himself, especially the negative parts of himself he doesn't like, the parts that he believes his friends won't like either, when they see the "real Jake". Thus, this manifests best in the fact that Epilogues Jake doesn't PAY CHILD SUPPORT DAMMi--
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This makes a depressing amount of sense, and is a very solid read of the character.
There is a similar impression here, that i actually kind of agree with (warning: contains explanation why Homestuck is (maybe) bad): nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/48247840285/disappointedatgreatlengthstuck
Aaaaah, Jake and Dirk’s relationship really is tragic to begin with :(
It’s so depressing how self-destructive they both are :(((((
But...we still have to wait for Dirk to finally allow himself to be redeemed and understand he desperately misses the support of all his other friends outside of Jake. I truly believed the years of Dirk only being around Jake who’s is a good friend to him still on Earth C, but now their relationship has become more complex and almost resentful from the unspoken words has caused the degeneration of Dirk’s own self image. But it doesn’t help that everyone else has been struggling with dampening their own feelings as well about their relationship issues or their own trauma from the game.
In the end, it’s not only the fact that the entire mix Sburb/Sgrub players been unable to talk about things going on in the lives on Earth C. It really feels like the illusion that Earth C is suppose to remain a “Utopian Paradise” that they push down their own feelings of conflict because they assume happiness and peace is what should be felt instead. So maybe the fact that Jane became a racist/xenophobic shadow tyrant gave them a push and allowed certain situations that should’ve been talked about surface. Because it felt “ok” now to feel and think about things that aren’t part of the new Utopia.
So maybe it’s unavoidable that things became the way they are?
Excellent episode. The soul lantern reminds me that we probably need an analysis on Serenity’s appearances’s meaning. (And potential symbolic connection to the cherubs ?)
I thought the Christian guardian angel symbolism interpretation made a lot of sense, and probably makes more sense than the tangent I'm about to make; but in Judaism, a higher power watching over you was also assumed, except it wasn't merely an angel. God Themselves was watching over and protecting Their people, and if we put that symbolism into DirkJake, that means that each sees the other not just like *a* holy being, but like the *most* holy being of all. Pretty romantic, tbh.
That also makes sense with the fact that both have a lot of deity-coding. Not only are they actual gods, but Dirk is directly associated with Yaldabaoth (a misguided creator deity) while Jake is associated with Abraxas (a divine overdeity). In a sense, both of them *are* G-d.
It also makes sense when you consider that there aren't any canonically Christian characters in Homestuck, but there are a *lot* of canon Jews, even if most of the Jewish characters don't know they're Jewish. (Namely, Rose and all of her creations, since having a Jewish mother makes you Jewish. There's also the strong possibility that the other Strilondes are Jewish, so Roxy, Dave, and even Dirk himself could very likely be Jewish people.)
The LaLondes are Jewish? That's really cool, I didn't know that.
@@normal6483 The "canon Jews" are mostly hussie-jokes/overanalysis. You can say "here, those things prove they are Jews!", but it's not really canon, just as "all Homestuck is actually a metaphor for the life of my family*" is a valid reading, but not canon.
(Note - i am Jewish myself )
* The amount of symbolic similarities between Homestuck and my life, specifically Dirk's orange hat symbolism, is amazing.
11:20
Word.
thanks for making me tear up in my kitchen while making lunch, nobody does it like you
i havent watched any of your videos before but now i want to watch them all. this is so excellent
I always liked this ship. I tend to blame Jake more for the relationship problems than Dirk. Like I can see why Dirk feels bad for the actions of Hal, but the fact that Jake proceeded to ignore him after they all went though a bunch of trauma really made me mad at Jake.
I can see what you mean by Jake and Dirk suffering from two sides of toxic masculinity, but the Jake's inability to talk to Dirk made me really sad.
When you are in place with only four people I don't think wanting to spend time with your boyfriend more then once a week is particularly clingy. If they try to make this relationship work again I hope they can get help.
I’ve never clicked on a video so fast omg. Anyway! This was DELIGHTFUL!!!!!! I love your take on dirkjake and also Caliborn and the whole Doc Scratch thing!!!!! Yes !!!!!! I’m gonna watch the video again bc it just made me really really happy
Precisely^ case in point
YEESSSSSSS. One of your analysis AND DirkJake content? Is it Christmas??!?! I love this thank you. We love to see it.
hm
I'll need to come back to this when i actually manage to get through the part of homestuck that has dirk in it
Thank you so much for making these! i stumbled across your dirk analysis essays a while ago and it was honestly the best thing i’ve ever read. thank you so much, you’re amazing!
Hi, if I might ask, where can I read his Dirk analysis?
@@shiluu7129 Medium.com. And also OD's tumblr.
@@lordbuss thank youu
@@shiluu7129 look up "dirk as unfeeling robot" and its the first link! also, if you click on his profile and scroll down you'll be able to see all of the other ones!
dirk really is best boi. your videos are amazing btw just think u should know that
"Dirk is actually best boy, and he has never done anything wrong in his life"
epilouges and homestuck 2: *am i a joke to you?*
"An extremely bad joke" is exactly how I'd describe the Epilogues and hs2, yes.
@@pseudosaccharine9891 davekat is the only good thing about the epilogues
Dirk is best boy
this was fun! thanks
this made me cry
totally random, but you should do a series breaking down the Ultimate Self and how each aspect experiences it, since it’s such an abstract concept
"doc scratch is lord english's little boywife" yknow what maybe i do like doc scratch actually
i do
agree dirk is the best boy part
oh sick more dirkjake..
4:36 stop it, stop, im already dead 😭
This makes me feel a lot
Funny, everyone who says that an Knight is an active didn't read the part when Calliope explain what is Passive and Active.
"[...] UU: the +/- distinction can mean many things, bUt coUld be qUite roUghly sUmmed Up in this way: active classes exploit their aspect to benefit themselves, while passive classes allow their aspect to benefit others.
UU: bUt of coUrse there's plenty more to it, and that rUle is in no way absolUte. only a starting point for Understanding the dichotomy.
TG: you mean kinda like
TG: offensive vs defesive magic in an rpg
UU: sUre! [...]"
Page: 4514
hrmmmm I feel like theres alot of subtextual advertising going on here
gay jesus
As a Thief of Light, thanks for the lecture.
Also as a Thief of Light, I'm gonna fuck off now and find some sweet sweet forbidden knowledge.
We're in a perfectly happy and normal relationship now I promise.
can you do a gnostic reading of Homestuck, particularly with Lord English being the Demiurge, Andrew Hussie essentially training Caliborn to become said Demiurge, Alternate Calliope being Pistis Sophia, and the fact that Yaldabaoth is literally a denizen of the two characters most likely to take up a Demiurge role??
Already done numerous times, including by OD, on tumblr and medium.com. And by DahniWitchOfLight. And by other people.
@@lordbuss well, do it again. lol
3:43 dont think I missed that kanye album reference
Wait, how did LE create the A1 Univese?
Rip the dave part 1 video
Im literally crying what the hell
what did any of this have to do with the light aspect?
Nothing, it was about normal light.
Fuck, but what does it DOOOOOO!?!?!?!?
So does that mean Ultimate Dirk is just like..the worst possible versions of himself? No light at all? Because he is JUST an asshole throughout the epilogues and HS2
Dirk has bad traits, but the chance to be good. By combining all versions, you get more bad than good (especially considering that English and Scratch are among the versions).
That has nothing to do with Light, though.
Ahh, I understand now.
I'm classpecting undertale
Chara
They are a destroyer of timelines
A prince of time (or hope
They literally destroyed timelines in the end of genocide route
Frisk
They are a manipulator of timelines
They they go back, forth, and reset timelines.
witch of time
Flowey/ asriel healer of Hope
Without the defeat of flowey and asriel hyper god of death the pacifist route wouldn't be possible.
sylph of Hope
I can't really think of one for Sans but I think he's a knight?
Frisk ad Chara mostly affect Heart (determination, the power to affect timelines, is Heart-based and coded. Though it obviously is connected to other aspects, like Time and Rage). Asriel is a destroyer of Hope, only defeating him restores the Hope.
Other classpects: bladekindeyewear.tumblr.com/post/133476538154/preliminary-undertale-classpects
@@lordbuss thanks!
@heavens door you lost me
@heavens door oh yeah I can see that
Best boy is Roxy.
Doc scratch isint a little boy wife 💀💀
Best boy.. oh.
It was a good video tho
i dont mean to be "that guy" but why is the exposition always about the gay/lesbian couples of Homestuck?
they tend to be the most important ones
Because the gay/lesbian couples are the good ones. There isn't a straight couple that's symbolically significant, save for abusive couples such as Jake and Jane or Gamzee and Terezi which serve better to further analyze Jane or Gamzee than to examine as a romance.
Edit: Typo
@@matthewfaust4077 There are good straight relationships, like John/Roxy, but they are mostly not symbolic.
@@lordbuss John and Roxy were never an actual couple as far as I know. I see what you mean, though.
congrats you just became “that guy”
fangirl ahhh *points at you*
2:45 Which he himself retroactively caused.
4:14 Specifically, a polite british-like Space themed storyteller. Here's one post: theworstpersonintheworld.tumblr.com/post/44980952135 , here's another: azdoine.tumblr.com/post/185221279407/so-lets-talk-about-them-cherubs
4:28 A body pillow.
4:40 Another weird sexual metaphor: making one of your crushes roleplay another crush.
6:10 Not...necessarily? We don't know how much he is a boss of people, and we don't know how much he values. Because being rich and having a company is not the same thing as valuing money (or at least, not the same thing as seeing money as a symbol of masculine success). Jake is a dreamer living out fantasies, so he wants to make inventions and sail in a ship and find secret islands and hunt animals, so he does it. You need money to have a ship and gear to explore secret islands, and if you make inventions it makes sense to found a company for using and selling them. Also, if i remember correctly, it was said that Grandpa was the founder of Skaianet, not necessarily the owner.
Everything said makes sense, but those are assumptions and possibilities framed as obvious truth, which is wrong.
8:56 Not...really? If he wasn't gay, he would have the same effect (or would think he has the same effect) on a woman.
9:11 Karkat's is more powerful. But yeah, true.
9:24 I...suspect you are projecting.
10:32 The topic of the video is light, not Light. The word, not the aspect.
11:28 Not in his canon life, that is true.
First?
seems so partner
Congrats, for sitting at the center of nothing.
@@vicenteisaaclopezvaldez2450 Look, it's the first time i ever got a true First comment, and it's on a video from my favorite content creator about my favorite aspect in homestuck. This is all i have.
@@jordanthomas7194 you are the king of the first comment... was it worth it?
@@suspectedfool1414 More than anything. If OptimisticDuelist replied to this comment, my life would be complete. 10/10 would First again.
Yeah, even though I realize you're being facetious with the "Dirk did nothing wrong" comment, still gonna have to disagree, chief. Even if he was influenced by Caliborn/Lord English, he does some heinously fucked up shit in both the canon Alpha and post-canon Meat timelines, and is still responsible within the context of the story for his own manipulative actions towards both Dave and Rose. I would honestly go so far as to say he is genuinely The Worst of the human kids.
lord english did nothing wrong fight me
DirkJake is toxic change my mind
Sure it was at first beacuse they didnt know how to communicate with eachother. But I believe if they could fix together that part, this relationship would work.
Sorry for my bad english
@@shiluu7129 But they didn't. And then the Epilogues happened where they still hadn't. And then holy shit it got worse.
yea the epilogues kinda fucked it up huh
Keaton It's Bad Writing™
@@ashikjaman1940 you got the point, but to be honest, fuck epilogues. I understand that some of people might enjoy those, but I just cant consider epilogues as canon after they shitted on dirks and jades character. Especially Dirks.
Yeah, dirkjake in homestuck was toxic, beacuse they were stupid kids who were living in isolation their whole life . They saw that and broke up. But after hs in those afterwards credits??? idk how to name it, they seem to be doing okay and being comfortable with eachother .
Again, sorry for bad eng
This whole video is just you gasping at straws and connecting things that weren't intended coming to think about it your whole channel is just this