This is my new favorite wrestling podcast man. Jeff seems like a really decent, humble person. He had both great success and failure, but focuses on the positive. That’s the way to be.
he was never on hbk's level, thats the first time i have heard the same two mentioned in the same sentence it definitely should be the last, lmao comparing a midcard no body who had only 3 fans his whole career an one was himself to an all time great
By early 2000, about 249 wrestlers. No joke. Massively downsized to about 50 by the New Blood Rising PPV. Will have to dig up _The Death Of WCW_ again for the actual figure as I keep forgetting it. 😅
@@BabaWahidSafi After the return to drinking, the Wendy breakup, and the Mark Madden scandal, Flair confirmed he's an asshole that wants to stage a public suicide [last match]. I cannot bring myself to support such an ungrateful guy, working legend or not.
@Sasqautch yah the thing is I remember watching the new NWO with Jeff and Brett on tv and when they finally started talking about it I was like "wtf took them so long to get to that" lol.
Conrad's wrong about cool heels neutering the babyface. The nWo made DDP, Luger and Sting. They were all more over than they had ever been in their careers and it was because of the nWo who were cool heels. Practically everyone got over with that nWo angle so cool heels done right don't neuter the babyface. Also Bret's article about the business back then was outdated and is why he just didn't fit in the Attitude Era and why Mcmahon could afford to let him go. I understand him not wanting to drive a monster truck as that may not make sense for his character but for him to bad mouth all the scripted aspects of the business shows the lack of understanding of the fans during that era. The fanbase weren't just nerds or little kids anymore. It was a much larger fanbase who gravitated toward the larger than life "cool" characters and the complex storylines more so than the actual wrestling matches. It's unfortunate for Bret that he got hurt when he did as the business soon returned to the more traditional style that he preferred.
I agree the horsemen were cool heels but watching Sting and Luger and Dusty and the road warriors fighting them made them faces you wanted to see get their comeuppance IMO
IWC zoomers, woke millennials, and sad sack smarks like Conman push that Bret is god narrative. I was a teen back then Bret was out of touch and out of date, we didn't care for him. When you watch "Wrestling with Shadows" it's pretty clear no one came to film Bret Hart just because, he wasn't all that famous back then. I didn't know who he was until much later to be honest. I remember nWo getting big, Hogan turning, Sting, DDP, etc...WWF got big a little later with SCSA and by the time I was watching it was the Rock/Mankind days. Point is I was the target demographic I had no clue who HBK or Hart were in 96-97 nor were they the talk of class. So making a documentary about a guy most teens wouldn't have know seems odd in retrospect. Especially back then, so what was the documentary supposed to be about? Watching a wrestler moan about his job? So presumably if you believe Montreal is for real then they came to film him bitching about wrestling getting trashy and leaving to WCW and just were lucky enough to be there for the screwjob. OR Montreal was the ultimate work and the documentary was there to add more "realism" to Bret being screwed over. Either way real or character Bret was pretty open about his hate of the Attitude era which is a real bad place to be in by the year 2000. Conman can pretend like that pink clad Shitman was going to save WCW if only used correctly and all those morons forget he was half of the reason, alongside HBK, WWF was losing.
@@darthbigred22 I agree that Bret wasn't as big back then as marks today like to believe he is but to say that he wasn't all that famous back then is also being disingenuous. th-cam.com/video/0rrUHeY83Ao/w-d-xo.html As seen above at the 5:14 mark, Bret was definitely a name he just wasn't red hot as fanboys like to remember especially among casuals because his character/personality was lacking compared to guys like Austin, Rock, Goldberg, Sting, Hogan etc. His Wrestling with Shadows highlights that even further as he is talking about how his popularity is waning with the American audience because they no longer want a hero. As for Wrestling with Shadows, that documentary was his own personal project. So it makes no sense when you say they weren't even trying to film him. The one thing you did get right about the doc is that it didn't help his standing in the company with him bad mouthing the direction they were going in. Especially when that direction is clearly what the fans wanted.
What would I have done as opposed to Vince Russo? Not booked the most atrocious shows in history that's what. WCW averaged about 36 minutes of wrestling per Nitro to somewhere around 12 after Russo got there according to J.J. Dillion. He had Hogan go to the ring and lay down for Sting with literally zero explanation at Halloween Havoc 99. We don't give Russo credit because literally ANY wrestling match including the fingerpoke of doom would be better than that nonsense. Yet that's exactly what Russo booked the entire show around week in and week out. And that's why we don't give him credit for anything. Sid Vicious said it best in a shoot interview when talking about Vince Russo: "He did such a bad job that we thought it was sabotage."
LOL counted the pin with Piper on top of Goldberg and Brett on top of Piper that’s 2000/2001 WCW for you. Entertaining to watch just for the car crash TV is was right when WWF is hotter than fire 🔥🔥🔥.
I notice that David Crockett just trademarked Jim Crockett Promotions (JCP). Now a David Crockett/Conrad Thompson JCP joining forces with Billy Corgans NWA would be very cool. However I just don't know if Conrad would have the time with all these awesome podcasts and his mortgage company.
No matter what a mess wcw was.. all of Russo's story lines were trash there. Put ratings aside it was just sad. Russo either tried to recreate ideas that worked in the past or just did anything he thought of. Nothing wrong with recreating but it cant be fresh in the minds and it has to be equal or greater version
Yep, he just rehashed things that were done in the past but did it worse. - He brought back the nWo with members who didn't even compliment each other. Hall and Nash cool and laid back attitudes completely contrasted Bret and JJ serious and uptight demeanor. - He tried to turn Booker T into the Rock. Only problem is that Booker wasn't anywhere near as good on the mic as the Rock so the catchphrases didn't stick and came off corny. He just came off looking like a poor man's Rock - He tried to rehash Austin V Mcmahon with himself and Goldberg only once again Goldberg didn't have Austin's mic skills while Russo didn't have Mcmahon's presence. The ratings went up but only because he put tons of sex angles on TV to draw in casuals. I mean one angle had Hall and Nash wrestling pornstars which is an angle that's going to draw most teenage boys or young adult men regardless of the quality of the angle. Then there's also the fact that WCW marketed him as the guy who built the WWF before he came in. So ofc people are gonna check out to see what he does with WCW. Russo's biggest mistake besides rehashing old angles was completely ignoring the hardcore fans because those are the guys who mostly buy the ppvs. That's why they continued to decline during Russo's run and didn't go up with the ratings(which were slowly declining themselves during Russo's 3 month control). He just didn't understand his audience, constantly exposing the business by reminding fans its not real and adding even more interruptions during matches which fans by that time were fed up with. Anyone could see without the infrastructure of Mcmahon and the WWF, Russo didn't have a clue on what he was doing.
@@blueblur2273 what makes it worse is if you find Vince Russo on here he acts like he's still some genius and wrestling is so terrible off without him now.. Then again Hannibal does that too..
@@blueblur2273 yes Booker even used the rock bottom but he wasnt built up like the Rock either. The Rock had a lot of help from many people behind the scenes. He also had Austin to help him get over. The funny thing is Russo talked bad about old wrestling yet wanted to do 100 pole and tournament matches in every company he was in lol.
If I'm not mistaken didn't nwo 200 start with Scott steiner coming out and doing what at the time looked like a real retirement announcement scott was almost crying before his former friends surrounded the ring and then it revealed itself as a work not sure if my timeline is correct having just started listening to the My World episode but I just remembered it being the greatest retirement swerve I have ever seen
Seeing Bret Hart as the leader of the NWO 2000, he couldnt even throw up the wolfpac sign, Jarrett is one of the most uncool wrestlers of all time, and Hall was always drunk and Nash was lazy, Steiner was riding the coattails like always
It really was. No one could sit through it now. They would ignore the bad and promote the once in a while hot spots because it fits thier nostalgia and narrative.
@I N US You described it perfectly. I was a little kid in the Golden Era and a teenager in the Attitude Era. I've seen every era. New Generation, rise of ECW and then post Attitude Era with TNA. Finally gave up altogether in 2012. Attitude and Golden eras were the best.
@@codesm96 well actually..nooo..I know more about the past then you will ever know..was there some good things yes..but the majority was trash..the same things you would complain about now.
Oh no! Bret Hart the god along with co-god HBK who reigned over the DECLINE of WWF to WCW was hurt in 2000!!! Oh the snoozer 5 star bore fest matches we'd have gotten back then had it only not been for that damn jew Goldberg!!!! Why wrestling gods why?!? He could have came back in 2002 and teamed with Malenko, Lance Storm, and Steve Blackman. The ultimate no charisma team.
Never been a Jeff Jarrett fan but this podcast is awesome . He seems like a genuinely nice guy too . And where can I get that bad ass horseman shirt ?
Currently, this is Conrad's absolute best podcast.
uhh 83 weeks been on fire as well! Gotta give it to EB... for now! My world is growing on me!
@@robrico129 83 Weeks is great definitely but I think My World is tops right now.
I agree 83 weeks with uncle eric is great but too much AEW talk on there lately for my taste as I'm there for the throwbacks
Cant wait for Part 2
This is my new favorite wrestling podcast man. Jeff seems like a really decent, humble person. He had both great success and failure, but focuses on the positive. That’s the way to be.
Springfield IL saying Thanks to Double J for investing in the Lucky Horseshoes looks to be a good time and excited to go to a game!
Hanging around the outsiders Jeff was definitely the new HBK 😂
he was never on hbk's level, thats the first time i have heard the same two mentioned in the same sentence it definitely should be the last, lmao comparing a midcard no body who had only 3 fans his whole career an one was himself to an all time great
@anon131 bad take.. you don’t even reach the midcard without being at least a little over..
I know I'm in the minority here but I always was a Double J fan... Top 20 for me. Long live slap nuts.
Yeah. It's good seeing him in aew.
Get with it I need this to drop on time 7 am on Tuesdays 😁
@Sasqautch 😂😂😂
Wcw should have done a roster split with nitro and thunder. They did have a lot of talent
By early 2000, about 249 wrestlers. No joke. Massively downsized to about 50 by the New Blood Rising PPV.
Will have to dig up _The Death Of WCW_ again for the actual figure as I keep forgetting it. 😅
WCW live was great rip to Mr Ryder
I'm so done with Ric Flair
Why?
@@BabaWahidSafi After the return to drinking, the Wendy breakup, and the Mark Madden scandal, Flair confirmed he's an asshole that wants to stage a public suicide [last match]. I cannot bring myself to support such an ungrateful guy, working legend or not.
Gimmick was in the lexicon long before we knew wrestlers used it all the time.
Nwo silver hall suspended for getting cheers, bret career over, nash and jeff injured. Not 1 single nwo member on next ppv
You're not counting the nazi twins
Great podcast
Man! They didn't start talking about NWO until half of this video.
@Sasqautch yah the thing is I remember watching the new NWO with Jeff and Brett on tv and when they finally started talking about it I was like "wtf took them so long to get to that" lol.
@Sasqautch at least it says "part 1". So part 2 is up next 😁
Russo ONLY RESURRECTED nWo so Jeff Jarrett can SAY he was nWo
Desperate to be relevant
Jeff Jarrett nWo Slap Nutty
So does the bloodline draw?
The guitar shot should have been used like the stunner
Conrad's wrong about cool heels neutering the babyface. The nWo made DDP, Luger and Sting. They were all more over than they had ever been in their careers and it was because of the nWo who were cool heels. Practically everyone got over with that nWo angle so cool heels done right don't neuter the babyface.
Also Bret's article about the business back then was outdated and is why he just didn't fit in the Attitude Era and why Mcmahon could afford to let him go. I understand him not wanting to drive a monster truck as that may not make sense for his character but for him to bad mouth all the scripted aspects of the business shows the lack of understanding of the fans during that era. The fanbase weren't just nerds or little kids anymore. It was a much larger fanbase who gravitated toward the larger than life "cool" characters and the complex storylines more so than the actual wrestling matches. It's unfortunate for Bret that he got hurt when he did as the business soon returned to the more traditional style that he preferred.
I agree the horsemen were cool heels but watching Sting and Luger and Dusty and the road warriors fighting them made them faces you wanted to see get their comeuppance IMO
IWC zoomers, woke millennials, and sad sack smarks like Conman push that Bret is god narrative. I was a teen back then Bret was out of touch and out of date, we didn't care for him.
When you watch "Wrestling with Shadows" it's pretty clear no one came to film Bret Hart just because, he wasn't all that famous back then. I didn't know who he was until much later to be honest. I remember nWo getting big, Hogan turning, Sting, DDP, etc...WWF got big a little later with SCSA and by the time I was watching it was the Rock/Mankind days. Point is I was the target demographic I had no clue who HBK or Hart were in 96-97 nor were they the talk of class.
So making a documentary about a guy most teens wouldn't have know seems odd in retrospect. Especially back then, so what was the documentary supposed to be about? Watching a wrestler moan about his job? So presumably if you believe Montreal is for real then they came to film him bitching about wrestling getting trashy and leaving to WCW and just were lucky enough to be there for the screwjob. OR Montreal was the ultimate work and the documentary was there to add more "realism" to Bret being screwed over.
Either way real or character Bret was pretty open about his hate of the Attitude era which is a real bad place to be in by the year 2000. Conman can pretend like that pink clad Shitman was going to save WCW if only used correctly and all those morons forget he was half of the reason, alongside HBK, WWF was losing.
@@darthbigred22 I agree that Bret wasn't as big back then as marks today like to believe he is but to say that he wasn't all that famous back then is also being disingenuous.
th-cam.com/video/0rrUHeY83Ao/w-d-xo.html
As seen above at the 5:14 mark, Bret was definitely a name he just wasn't red hot as fanboys like to remember especially among casuals because his character/personality was lacking compared to guys like Austin, Rock, Goldberg, Sting, Hogan etc.
His Wrestling with Shadows highlights that even further as he is talking about how his popularity is waning with the American audience because they no longer want a hero. As for Wrestling with Shadows, that documentary was his own personal project. So it makes no sense when you say they weren't even trying to film him. The one thing you did get right about the doc is that it didn't help his standing in the company with him bad mouthing the direction they were going in. Especially when that direction is clearly what the fans wanted.
Conrad using Vince as a comparison for Flair is laughable. Vince only took one bump (the stunner) and he was thoroughly roasted for it.
I wish Bret would just forgive Bill. Goldberg is a legit good dude. Way bigger dbags in the wrestling business. It was a mistake.
What would I have done as opposed to Vince Russo? Not booked the most atrocious shows in history that's what. WCW averaged about 36 minutes of wrestling per Nitro to somewhere around 12 after Russo got there according to J.J. Dillion. He had Hogan go to the ring and lay down for Sting with literally zero explanation at Halloween Havoc 99. We don't give Russo credit because literally ANY wrestling match including the fingerpoke of doom would be better than that nonsense. Yet that's exactly what Russo booked the entire show around week in and week out. And that's why we don't give him credit for anything. Sid Vicious said it best in a shoot interview when talking about Vince Russo: "He did such a bad job that we thought it was sabotage."
LOL counted the pin with Piper on top of Goldberg and Brett on top of Piper that’s 2000/2001 WCW for you.
Entertaining to watch just for the car crash TV is was right when WWF is hotter than fire 🔥🔥🔥.
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Conrad straight lies to us when he told us he's Not gonna run a promotion
I notice that David Crockett just trademarked Jim Crockett Promotions (JCP). Now a David Crockett/Conrad Thompson JCP joining forces with Billy Corgans NWA would be very cool. However I just don't know if Conrad would have the time with all these awesome podcasts and his mortgage company.
10min before the now is mentioned wtf
Calm my nuts down
So top stars like Bret Hart, Roddy Piper, Bill Goldberg, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall botch a simple finish and people want to blame it on Russo?
blame russo for everything is the Internet way even if he wasn't there blame him anyway
@@anon131 Similar to how Trump is blamed for all the current issues in the world.
@@misternewman1576 It is not similar. Trump was U.S. president & he blames people constantly for things that happen to him. Sheesh.
No matter what a mess wcw was.. all of Russo's story lines were trash there. Put ratings aside it was just sad. Russo either tried to recreate ideas that worked in the past or just did anything he thought of. Nothing wrong with recreating but it cant be fresh in the minds and it has to be equal or greater version
Yep, he just rehashed things that were done in the past but did it worse.
- He brought back the nWo with members who didn't even compliment each other. Hall and Nash cool and laid back attitudes completely contrasted Bret and JJ serious and uptight demeanor.
- He tried to turn Booker T into the Rock. Only problem is that Booker wasn't anywhere near as good on the mic as the Rock so the catchphrases didn't stick and came off corny. He just came off looking like a poor man's Rock
- He tried to rehash Austin V Mcmahon with himself and Goldberg only once again Goldberg didn't have Austin's mic skills while Russo didn't have Mcmahon's presence.
The ratings went up but only because he put tons of sex angles on TV to draw in casuals. I mean one angle had Hall and Nash wrestling pornstars which is an angle that's going to draw most teenage boys or young adult men regardless of the quality of the angle. Then there's also the fact that WCW marketed him as the guy who built the WWF before he came in. So ofc people are gonna check out to see what he does with WCW. Russo's biggest mistake besides rehashing old angles was completely ignoring the hardcore fans because those are the guys who mostly buy the ppvs. That's why they continued to decline during Russo's run and didn't go up with the ratings(which were slowly declining themselves during Russo's 3 month control). He just didn't understand his audience, constantly exposing the business by reminding fans its not real and adding even more interruptions during matches which fans by that time were fed up with. Anyone could see without the infrastructure of Mcmahon and the WWF, Russo didn't have a clue on what he was doing.
Ya'll didn't like Buzzkill or Chavo selling Amway
@@blueblur2273 what makes it worse is if you find Vince Russo on here he acts like he's still some genius and wrestling is so terrible off without him now.. Then again Hannibal does that too..
Didn't really fit Bret being a heel so soon after the death of his brother. It was weird.
@@blueblur2273 yes Booker even used the rock bottom but he wasnt built up like the Rock either. The Rock had a lot of help from many people behind the scenes. He also had Austin to help him get over. The funny thing is Russo talked bad about old wrestling yet wanted to do 100 pole and tournament matches in every company he was in lol.
If I'm not mistaken didn't nwo 200 start with Scott steiner coming out and doing what at the time looked like a real retirement announcement scott was almost crying before his former friends surrounded the ring and then it revealed itself as a work not sure if my timeline is correct having just started listening to the My World episode but I just remembered it being the greatest retirement swerve I have ever seen
Sorry the steiner thing happened Dec 27 99
Youre mistaken
@@justinczech1489sadly mistaken
@@Super122291 NWO 2000 started with Bret Hart vs Goldberg. Steiner happened weeks later
Jeff jarrett great podcast and conrad thompson u are man woooo
Wtf was wrong with Piper get the F off Goldberg so Hart could pin him.
The Wrestler in Real life lmao
One more woooooooooooooo!
Seeing Bret Hart as the leader of the NWO 2000, he couldnt even throw up the wolfpac sign, Jarrett is one of the most uncool wrestlers of all time, and Hall was always drunk and Nash was lazy, Steiner was riding the coattails like always
what garbage. jeff jarrett in the nwo. bret hart in the nwo. I didn't even watch that crap.
So why are you here?
Add free my ass I think bluechew and chill sleep is adds
Well duh, you're on TH-cam not the Adfree site. You have to pay for the ad free service, did you even read what it says on the screen?
Attitude Era was straight trash
I bet you grew up watching Roman Reigns in the last 7 years lololololololololol
It really was. No one could sit through it now. They would ignore the bad and promote the once in a while hot spots because it fits thier nostalgia and narrative.
@I N US You described it perfectly. I was a little kid in the Golden Era and a teenager in the Attitude Era. I've seen every era. New Generation, rise of ECW and then post Attitude Era with TNA. Finally gave up altogether in 2012. Attitude and Golden eras were the best.
@I N US rose tented glasses, I grew up watching everything NWA, WCW, ECW, WWF, NJPW etc
@@codesm96 well actually..nooo..I know more about the past then you will ever know..was there some good things yes..but the majority was trash..the same things you would complain about now.
Oh no! Bret Hart the god along with co-god HBK who reigned over the DECLINE of WWF to WCW was hurt in 2000!!! Oh the snoozer 5 star bore fest matches we'd have gotten back then had it only not been for that damn jew Goldberg!!!!
Why wrestling gods why?!? He could have came back in 2002 and teamed with Malenko, Lance Storm, and Steve Blackman. The ultimate no charisma team.