CAN I SPLIT THE GUILD SURFLINERS HUMBUCKER? - plus exploring the vibrato and body routing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2024
- The Guild Surfliner $699 Sweetwater: sweetwater.sjv... is the newest wigglesticked offset in my life and I'm ready to explore it's modding possibilities. Mid video I decided to take the plunge and attempt a coil split on the humbucker for a surfier/twangier bridge pickup sound. I got it done but had some self inflicted snafus on the way.
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Mods I would do: 3 Filtertrons, Phase switch and push/pull for neck and bridge together.
That is such a great guitar, I think they really nailed a perfect platform there with the scale length, colours, aesthetics, and price.
@ 33:53 Loved you going into Planet Claire!
23:46 "Uh oh! what have I done?" that's me every time I mod, lol.
@60CycleHum I think the original pot had the tabs closer to the output jack, whereas the new pot's tabs are closer to the volume. The cap was connected to the leg nearer the guitar's centre line for both, so you've wired it up differently. 20-20 hindsight :)
I fix guitars for fun. I definitely don’t want to be a tech for a living either I offer my friends free set ups and mods if they have the parts. It helps me get to play all sorts of weird guitars.
Same here. It's awesome playing all the guitars, and how they all like different setups. I haven't found 2 folks that have the same setup.
Same. Guitars and skateboards.
At least you didn't drill completely throught the headstock this time.
Although the screws don't line up to do a full swap, can you pull just the plate section off the guild vibrato and put it on a master/other vibrato. Would have the guts of something nice with the guild plate.
This is the kind of GREAT CONTENT I only find here!
Great video! I have a mod suggestion to make it the ULTIMATE SURF GUITAR. But since there's only 1 tone knob, you'll have to install it on the back cavity plate. If you get a blender pot (see Emerson 5-way blender) you can run all the pickups in parallel. This will allow the bridge and neck in parallel.
Coil split sounds amazing. I was impressed with the previous video, but with the split. Guild is on my map now.
@Goodman Recordings, Tokyo guild has been slept on for too long. Their recent baritone is a metal monster that I never knew I would need. Sounds beastly with ultra high gain.
You give me confidence for modding. I might have never started without your videos. I figured - If that weirdo Ryan can do it then I must be able to!
Rather than series/parallel, since you already have the humbucker, I might suggest a phase switch along with the other switches you mentioned. BTW, pots almost always have the same lug layout: picture the wiper inside the pot following the shaft rotation, like the hand of a clock. For tone knob, you want to use the center lug (wiper) along with the lug associated with full-CCW rotation, so that the tone capacitor goes through minimum resistance when tone is set "lowest".
Just got the Pink one and yes ...I was thinking I wanted to split the humbucker.....This sounds great and it's what the guitar needs!!! Great demo and as always great playing!!
It's very easy. don't do it the 60hz way. Open the back and find the black and red wire that are soldered together with a piece of shrink tubing. These come out of the humbucker wire bundle. Attach these to two of the contacts of a three contact, two position switch. The other side goes to ground. Mount the switch. You are done.
I feel for ya on the setbacks but it's how we learn (ask me how I know!). Great job in the end, Ryan! The must-have mod for me for any 3-pickup guitar is the 7-way mod allowing for bridge & neck together (my fave tone) and all three pickups at once. I do it for all my Strats. I kind of wish they left the switching capability they have on the standard Surfliner on the Deluxe (allowing for that neck & bridge combo or all three pickups) even though some folks dislike the standard Surfliner's control switches.
Yes! We put 7-way switching in all of our 3-pickup guitars. Usually we like to use pushbuttons for coil split and neck-in-any position because they never get in the way / never get triggered accidentally.
About your question of what i do.
I love arcade button kill switches bc i'm a buckethead fan.
On my beginner guitar i also have a series/parallel single coil mod and a mod where i can blend the neck pickup with the bridge etc. Extremely versatile
8:45 Gonna go out on a limb here and say: No drilling or filling of holes needed: just take the guts offa the Guild plate (except maybe the collet you like)
and swap in the guts fr the “Descendent” (or Mastery) trem. Install new hybrid trem w / Guild plate.
Pretty sure that will work.
Put a jaguar pickup selector on the upper bout instead of using mustang sliders. You’ll get 3 switches and the chrome surround plate will 1. Fit the vibe of the guitar and 2. Hide the ragged edge of the cut you make in the existing pick guard.
Also you can do a strangle switch for the third switch.
I bought my first t style guitar and I added a belly cut so its comfy to play sitting down and I filed some metal off the bittom edge of the ashtray so I dont hit it with my thumb on downstrokes, also switched stock nines to mondo ten set!
This was perfect! I had the questions in my head (hadn't searched anything yet), and this video pooped up with all of my Qs answered! Thank you!
Got mine arriving in a few weeks here in Italy Ryan. So glad you did this vid and that the cavity space is in there.
Mods I’d love to do would be installing the Hyperswitch, adding one of Dom Alf’s buttons on the interior so that this can wirelessly drive my boards. 😂 Really looking forward to it arriving.
J U S T doing this with my latest offset -gonna spinAsplit the pups using the tone knob cuz it’s so darn DARK I’ll never turn down the tone👍
You still have the cutout where the old toggle switches where, you could do a 2 way toggle and split up above too.
That is a nice guitar. You mentioned the 2 main reasons for modding. I generally don't mod my guitars much anymore other than removing strap buttons and adding Gotoh tall bass string retainers in their place. Strap is more or less permanent after this.
But since I build many of my basses and guitars, I experiment with those.
Again, good video.
The bridge humbucker sounds great with the coil split! Once you get the pot wired the right way, you’ll be good to go. When you first wired it up and the tone control was shutting the guitar off at full-up, I remembered my ‘67 Gibson 345 that I had in the early ‘70s did the same thing. The bridge pickup tone control would turn the guitar off when it was wide open. I don’t know why-I’ve never had another guitar that did that. I just had to remember not to turn that control all the way up!
Nice B-52’s riffs! One of my fave albums of all time.
I love working on my guitars I don't want to stress of working on your guitar that your pride and joy
Electronics mods wise you could have a neck 3 way mustang switch, which would add your neck in with the option of it being in or out of phase. And then I'd have a series switch to put the neck in series with the bridge pickup - I've never tried combining that with a 5 way blade though! I'd ask the Gunstreet Wiring guy about those options.
I have this guitar arriving in parts and am definitely doing that coil split! Great idea.
I recently picked up the original Surfliner because I wanted the individual pickup switches, plus I just really dig the look with the switches, funky pickguard, and translucent paint options. While overall build quality might be a little low in some areas (minor paint issues, some rough fret ends), I feel that the guitar is an extremely good value. The best part are the pickups, they have a great quack and chime. My future mods will be a Bigsby B5 and the coil tap, but that's about it. I have to say, I don't think I would have bought this guitar if not for your videos. In fact, my wishlist has grown massively since subscribing to your channel. Keep up the good work!
I bet some of your TH-cam peers have done similar, but they edited the situation out. At least you are honest! I would prefer a series/parallel switch on the pot... Bonus points for Planet Claire riffs!
Kill switch up top and a push-pull volume pot to turn on the neck pickup with the bridge.
The Surfcaster in the pink body/headstock is begging to be bought. I already have a green offset & am not too interested in the black version. That was a solid mod btw, worth the effort
I love this model. When I saw the original I was really hoping they'd do a bigsby or jm trem. Awesome that they put this out!
Very nice work Ryan, even with the detours.
I gotta admit, my guitar modding is usually in an attempt to save a guitar rather than personalize it. And not really in the "it's not good enough" sort of saving but in the sense of rebuilding to make it better when something goes awry, like replacing the pots in my talman when they started to get bad. I kinda want to replace the strat style trem on it with an offset style trem now that the knife edge of the trem has worn down some but not sure what I gotta do routing wise to make it work.
7:59 yep that would hold the wiggle stick
That guitar sounds great. Good job, Ryan.
Im a big fan of Mastery bridges on these style guitars. My J Mascis Jazzblaster proved me wrong somewhat though. The Tune-O-Matic on that puppy seems to make the whole thing a little snappier than my other Jazzmasters. Ive gone Mastery for one at least and love it, but there is something to be said tonally and feel-wise about a regular Tune O Matic. Not better just different.
I have the HH with splitting. Totally rules.
Hilarious with the screwdriver through the jack lol!
I always thought the one without the wiggle stick was like my Squier Cyclone (CAR like your Jag), and now this reminds me of the Cyclone, but without the switching. Guess it’s time to upgrade the Cyclone (locking tuners, alternate bridge, and maybe lipstick pickups or something (the original Fender Cyclone had 3 Jag pickups, with claws... 🤔).
Really made this into a primo surf guitar. Nice work!
I'm not a huge surf guitar fan, but that has an awesome set of tones that would fit almost any genre of music besides all but the heaviest music.
Good to see the video on this guitar as I am pondering buying one right now as we speak. I really like the coil split modification you were doing here so please let me know what push pool POTs I would need to buy that are compatible.
That thing seems like a great deal! Nice mod.
I'm surprised that the humbucker has a brass baseplate. I thought nickel would be the default for the price range, but I guess not. I'd be even more surprised if the cover was plated brass as well.
Best clean and surf sounds on TH-cam!
Another thing to note about that vibrato route, is that you won't be able to use a vibrato unit with a lock button, unless you have the ability to route away the wood to allow clearance for it.
Might I suggest DecoBoom pickguards? I think they will do custom work if you can provide the right info.
Hey Ryan! I had an idea for a new series for you. Afford-a-Bag! For all your viewers who get affordable guitars without cases, what is the best cheap gig bag for them. Epiphone & Fender have cheap branded bags. But how do they compare to Glarry, Harley Benton and other discount bags.
Is it possible you got a reverse taper push/pull pot which is why it came out backwards? All in all cool little teardown video! Surprised the push/pull isn't a stock feature - works great.
Keep modding it! Great content!
Sounds great! Since your Boy Scout knife is dull, perhaps you can buy a knife (or a sharpener) when you're at Harbor Freight buying a multimeter! :D
Hey Ryan, could you please post a pic of soldering?
Say Byron....this is Bark....now go for the treble bleed mod. 🤪
Guild has two coil split pots on their new Polara Deluxe. Maybe your video will inspire them to put it in a super Deluxe Surfliner.
I see you got the new mood pedal congrats on that. Ps. Everyone who mods deal with the same stress I be the first to admit I’ve done that a million times before. I gave up on spilt coiling that this point.
Although the placement for screws is unique on the guild trem, it looks like you could just keep the guild plate and put a fender/mastery whatever trem inside, the holes for the trem itself on the Guild plate seems fairly similar from the upper mentioned tremolos.
It would be great if you could put this to test.
Great guitar anyway, I was disappointed when they first released it with a fixed bridge but this new version looks very enjoyable to play with
You know, it would be cool to swap in the pickguard from the original Surfliner! A shame you already sold it...
yeah, i should have held onto it just a little longer lol
i dig this guitar but you have to checkout the eastwoot fyrbyrd "sharkbite" guitar a remake of a maton electric from the 60"s and it is damn sexy and i want one.
Could the functional guts of an aftermarket vibrato mount to the underside of the Guild plate?
Of course you add the Surfliner's stock snuggable wangbar collet
Stealth mods are sometimes the best kind.
Back in the day, when most surf music was recorded, we used flat wound strings.
It would be interesting to research when most surf music was actually recorded. There are so many surf bands all over the world right now that it’s hard to imaging there were more recordings of first wave bands than modern bands.
and amp tremelo?
You're probably right. I started by covering 50s and 60s band. Back before Slinky strings were invented.
@@johncollins5552 And amp spring reverb.
@60 Cycle Hum I swear when I was on the Guild product page, when I clicked on 'show full specs', it said the Surfliner had a coil split option. But that's gone now, I guess they got a heads up. I was like pulling the volume and tone knob up like a madman when I read that but to no avail ofcourse. :D
So tonight I saw your video and I put my brave hat on and did the mod myself. Pretty easy, I used the switch to short the black and red wire to ground. Coil split gives a very nice sound, I may prefer it over full humbucker. Oh and I also had the guitar for just about 5 days LOL! Thanks for the video and the inspiration!
Heads up! i recently just fixed my backwards wired pot situation and i also realized my split isolated the inside coil instead of the coil with the exposed screws. It took some extra work but I split the black and red to be the lead and ground and reconnected the other two wires to the split circuit. It sounds a bit better now and im glad I did it.
@@60CycleHumcast Hmm, yes my north pole side of the humbucker is active when set it to split, does it make a big difference compared to the south pole? Maybe I'll try both with a switch to compare them, even more tonal options xD
If you're going to have to fabricate stuff anyhow (modding the body is fabrication work) then it might be possible to make an adapter plate. Could make a ringed plate with threaded studs of the proper length on it. Make sure it's countersunk to where the heads of the wood screws holding it on won't conflict with the trem underside. Put acorn nuts and loctite BLUE, not red, BLUE of the proper size on the studs after placing the trem on the now mounted plate.
Depends on the guitar. Wiring and pickups on a cheap guitar. Tuners, nut and maybe saddles.
At that price point I wouldn't care if the holes lined up or not, I'm replacing that vibrato with a Mastery. I've tried everything and that is THE best vibrato on the market.
Great job you really boost that guitar!
I am a little curious, first of all, I think you play surf music in a sublime way! really your playing is something I really enjoy about your videos!, and the question I have is, How do you learn that much about surf music? I really just find some "The ventures" songs book so I really appreciate it if you can share some advice about how to learn to play surf in that great way you do.
Hahaha Editing Ryan is brutal, and hilarious.
That's a mighty fine guitar!
Things I have no use for: coil splits, single coils, tone knobs. Love the video still, and congrats on the successful minor guitar surgery!
YES!...I've been looking for this video....can I put a mastery bridge and trem on this thing?
It would take some drilling. It’s pretty stable stock, not sure a mastery is necessary.
Very cool!!
I think this guitar just may be a real "sleeper". I reckon you could pull off nearly any genre, not just surf and give any song it's own unique flavour.
That humbucker splits PERFECTLY! they really SHOULD include that on the guitar as standard. Some humbuckers just don't split well. While others may produce a perfectly valid and useable sound but it doesn't really suit what's going on with the rest of the guitar.
I thought in your first video with the Surfliner that it was a really great sounding pickup considering the style of the guitar, "Surf" guitars usually being more of a single coil kind of thing. When you split it though it seems to retain it's own 'characteristic' (for want of a better term,) tone somehow to me while simply having less bottom end and output as you'd expect from a single coil. Oh and you forgot a possible phase switch for the middle pickup if you want to go really hollow and quacky in your list of possible slider switch mods..
I think it really sends the versatility of this guitar through the roof. Would really love one of these.
I am a big modder (I do guitar tech work, build pedals etc.) I have done both types of modding you mentioned. Almost every guitar I own I have done something or other to to make it my own
I have a couple of Squier Strats right now. An Affinity I bought to travel to university and a Vintage Modified 70s, both of which which I've done extensive work on.
Full level, recrown and polish of the frets, rolled the fretboard edges, different pickups (just inexpensive FLEOR branded ones that I'm actually really happy with), push pull pots, wiring, bridge, trem block, nut, string trees, the whole 9 yards.
I wasn't in love with either of them when I got them (although the VM 70s has a surprisingly nice bit of flame figuring on the neck but it hadn't been well cared for and had some issues, though thankfully all fixable with some TLC)) but now I am really attached to them and although they'd be the first to go from my collection (I am thinking of consolidating and trading up the both of them for maybe a Japanese Strat right now) I am finding it hard to let them go and will likely hold off unless something really special comes along that I do fall in love with at first sight.
Then I'll get that one and mod it 😂
Great vid Ryan
Great!!! No I don’t know whether to get a Jaguar, Jazzmaster, Surfliner, or all three!
Your clean tone is always sparkly and incredible - how do you have your Princeton's set? Every Princeton I've played through has sounded boxy and not what I was expecting haha
This is good content
Your videos are great man. 👍🏻
Shit that is nice sounding strings work and that's great pups split hb or stock.
You can tell that the locking tuners guy was Steve, it’s ok
its wasn't steve lol.
It sounds so much better with the split than with the humbucker!
Great job!
I wonder if there is a rolling bridge that will fit this guitar?? I think i might get one.🤘😎
I don’t love the TOM on this. Even if the bridge rocks on the posts, it’s one more point where the string can bind. What I really want to know is what does this thing weigh?! There aren’t any weights listed on sweetwater yet.
mine is7.75 lbs
3rd type of mod: to make it more versatile for recording/gigging.
"What kind of modding do you usually do?"
I usually do the "never finish what I start" modding. Seriously. I get as far as gathering the parts, then realize how much WORK will be required to install them, and never actually start the work.
the only tuneomatic plus offset trem ive used was my old MIM Jag with two humbuckers and tune o matic from the factory, and it NEVER stayed in tune. its okay that guitar was good for the punky stuff i was doing and now ive got a Squier JM that has a fantastic trem and pickups. might mod/just take the pickups from that jag for my current crust band (if any of you have the same Jag you know exactly what im talking about)
it really comes down to wether or not the bridge rocks on its posts. This one rocks pretty good so the strings dont slide and bind on the saddles.
@@60CycleHumcast ohhhhh!!! thats exactly why! there was no movement to it at all.
@@napwneoenejeod3740 yep. Traditional jazzmaster/Jaguar bridges rock in metal thimbles giving a lot of tuning stability with trem use. The trade off is not having as much vibration transfer to the body of the guitar.
This guy is a seriously good guitar player!
I've heard Kline Tools has a good multi- meter.
You're not the first guitar expert who's had that experience with the tremolo system hitting the string. Some are hitting the B string and the pickup is ... picking it up! lol. Why make it so close to two strings?
All roads lead to Rumble. Great video
On my jazzmaster homemade Guitar got the mosrite vibrato wigell stickhe same design like that I think
Planet Claire via Peter Gunn... Bigg Funn!
That should fit a cheap roller bridge. The guild site says the string spacing is 50mm. You may notice the bridge is slightly offset. That little angle will allow you to use a 52mm roller bridge for an sg or dot. Amazon sells them for like $20. Just measure your post diameter and post spacing.
Ryan, if u decide to sell the surfliner deluxe,,, please reach out to me... I love that color and it seems like a superb guitar
they do sell them in stores you know. I don't have the only one.
Nice mod
Yeah it sounds great in single.
yes
Just swap the plates on the two vibratos if you want to change ;)
Good video. Thanks!
Dumb question: if you too wrap the the B and high E string would that give more clearance between the trem arm and the strings?
Just a thought .
Cheers!
What do you mean by “wrap”?
@@60CycleHumcast “top wrap” is what I think he means but that’s not the kind of tailpiece you top wrap. More of a les Paul thing.
@@Dogdickdale yeah that’s what I’m wondering. Top wrapping an offset trem would be wild though. It would totally change the leverage of the trem. I’m honestly curious if that’s something he’s done. I kinda want to try it lol.
@@60CycleHumcast I think you’d have break angle issues.
@@Dogdickdale I haven't done it. But yes Les Paul top wrap is what I meant. I just thought that if strings were higher they would " clear " the collar on the trem.
Don't know if it would work I was just throwing the suggestion out there.
Thank you 4 the replies.
Respect.
Great Topic. Usually its modding a guitar that i love. And I have a lot of Squires of this ilk. I was recently very dissappointed with a Fender Mustang i bought sight unseen though, Through my little experience modding cheaper guitars i was able to realize this one could not be saved. No modding was going to make me like this guitar. We just had no vibe. Sometimes thats what one has to do. If you dont like it thats that- let it go.
Honestly the Fender im referring too wasnt poorly made or anything. Sometimes you just know its not for you.
5 out of 6 were great guitars (squires) but then buying the Fender I got a dud. NOthing wrong with it other then its a a literal Dead wood. No resonance in this plank.
Curious as to the weight of the fender Mustang, was it much heavier or lighter than a squier? I have an epi lp and sg, both have virtually identical pickups, bridge, tuners, pots, neck yet the lp sounds better apart from the dull bridge pickup that many Gibson's also have?
@@johncollins5552 In this case the Mustang does seem to be a rather heavier wood. Its got a smaller body than most offsets, yet yes it does seem heavier than my Squire offsets with larger bodies. I do think that is the reason this particular guitar I did not like. It just doesnt seem to resonate well.
@John Collins This particular guitar is the "natural" unpainted but clear coated one with p-90s. You can actually see streaking almost like knots in the wood grain - so that may be the significant factor too. Im not sure. The pickups sound really weak too which seems strange for p-90s. It looks cool but sounds bad.
Hi Ryan, did you hear about Mike Milton ? So sad 😞
yes, yes I did. Mike was a beautiful human being and I'll miss him a lot.
Adding a coil split switch is actually pretty easy. Do yourselves a favor and buy a cheap guitar to practice modding on. Im only 3 years into the guitar world and i have 13 guitars all with some sort of modification i did, whether it be different pickups or pots, treble bleed, coil splits or killswitches. Or i built, finished, and wired completely myself. The more you know...