Ohhh that means it's real... Die Capitalist Pig is definitely a Message from our Democratic friends in Golden, CO... I'm sure they'll come out with a Hillary Clinton version with Bleached G-10.
Just ran across your video and it was a great help in determining if the PM2 was real or fake and it is real. Even buying from a reputable dealer of Spyderco Knives does not mean they did not get taken in by a fake. Thanks.
Thanks for making a great video. I just got my Spyderco from China (June 2017) and they have fixed almost all the areas that you mentioned. There is still a discernible difference on the sharpness of the plastic. Not as much as before; but, still a little sharper. The screws are better; but, still not locking my torque screwdriver in. The skeletonized area is also the same as before, only on one side. The box is an improvement. It is sharp and clean, looks just like the original. I paid $22.65 and it took 19 days for shipping. I am very happy.
A really obvious one that jumped out to me was that the thicker ridge between the choil and the beginning of the cutting edge bisects the middle of the finger hole on the genuine, while crossing about 1/3 of the way up the hole on the fake. I actually kept waiting for him to mention it the last couple of minutes when he kept holding them up side by side to look at the markings.
I also noticed that the part of the steel that has Golden Colorado etched on it cuts off in the middle of the spydy hole,the fake cuts off the hole a bit lower. And the gimping is slightly angled on top of the the real one.
Hey Les, EXCELLENT VIDEO - you're really a PRO at this! Thanks for taking so much time to show so many details between the real vs. fake so we can check on our knives. I also appreciated that you commented on past experience of other fakes you've seen. Very helpful information. I was wondering, have you made a similar fake vs. real video for the Spyderco Shaman? I just subscribed to your channel, so I will try to search for it. My son and I both have a Shaman in black G10 - one was purchased from a very reputable dealer and the other was purchased from a place I don't trust as much, so it makes me wonder. Even if you haven't made such a video, I can still use a lot of the tips from this video for things to look for. Thanks again!🙂👍
Man you sure know good details,pointing out all that fakes flaws is almost like a jewelry expert knowing good and bad jewelry.Good video and information about authentic knives vs. copies
+Les Garten You got a good channel,I just got a Kershaw Camp18 and I'm going to give Kershaw a call because it looks like a copy,but i paid the original price from a Amazon vendor.....You attention to detail is A plus
I've been buying Spyderco lately and didn't know there were fakes out there in the world. Apparently its a huge business. Not good. I've checked over all my Spyderco's and believe they are all authentic but as we speak I have two knives being shipped from Amazon. Both ZDP 189. One Stretch and one Endura. Both in the British Racing Green color. Thanks to you Ill be able to look them over when I get them and try to verify authenticity. Again, totally excellent and educational video! Thanks!
Hey even Spyderco themselves are making some of their knife lines in China. Why? Because they appreciate Chinese quality control, effectiveness of their workers and pride of craftsmanship not too mention it saved Spyderco production costs while still charging top prices. Chinese are fantastic copy makers and they use modern machinery and Our steel. I have no problem purchasing their items.
Hey man, thanks for making this great video. I just got my black Para Military 2 in the mail yesterday and I was really worried about its authenticity. I've watched a bunch of other videos on here explaining real vs. fake, but none of them put my mind at ease. This one did it though. Very detailed and methodical with clear explanations and lots of close ups. Now I know that my knife is the genuine article and I have you to thank for that. Cheers.
Make sure you buy from someone who will fully refund all your expense if you get scammed. Knifecenter Knifeworks Amazon BladeHQ Places like that. Then check to make sure it is genuine
Got my copy of para 2 from ali for 15 dollars. And I'm very happy, great edge out of the box, fit and finish perfect and so centering. So far perfection
Yea the foam here on your video matches the same foam I have and there is a space between the box and the foam. Thats actually a great way to know if its a fake or not.
I bought it on the ebays, price was right but almost too good. it's real and everything you said is spot on. you must be a trained observer (or just OCD) , but excellent video. I'm subbing
I actually bought a legit PM2 in S110V that came in a box that was broken (i assume due to domestic shipping) and the foam was larger than the bottom of the box. the foam was dense and other than size had no difference between it and any other of my spydercos. apart from box damage, everything on the box looked right as well. so, even the foam can on a legit spyderco can be off. there's always an exception to the rule.
hi there Newest subscriber here! liking your videos you really helped me with the Rubicon. have you tried any sharpens best products? if not please look into getting and trying it out also a video on it would be awesome! thanks Alex
Well, I'm in a bit of a pickle. I recently bought the PM2 off of Amazon and have gotten a bit of both worlds. First off, the knife was sent via FedEx, not the normal shipping service Amazon uses, and it was merely the box tossed inside the envelope. The box meets all the "fake" points; the deep gradient and the bar code not touching the numbers. However, the knife itself meets the "genuine" points; finished belt clip, the intricate screws, and the two skeletonized sections on the inside. I don't know what to make of this.
Thank you for manually adjusting the focus instead of just waving the product around and yelling focus. I hate when videos do that. Got my fist spydeco otw in the mail (paramilitary 2) :)
I have a $20 Para II clone that is so good my dealer couldn't tell the difference from the real one. I liked it so well I ended up buying the real deal. Good vid.
They are difficult to tell for sure. You can tell if you start taking them apart. The screws are soft and what they screw into is soft, so you get stripping real quick. Or they stripped it when they put them together, I've seen that a lot.
I believe the weight is supposed to be 3.75 Oz, however my pm2 weighs in at 3.82 Oz. Everything else checks out for authenticity. Perhaps you could do a weight comparison of the clones versus the real one. Many thanks for the excellent and tedious work 😀
Funny my 10yr old para 2 fake, weighs 4.2 oz, i use it all the time and must say it has held up well,it was a gift and for several yrs i did not know it was a fake...i really dont know what the blade steel is, says sv 30, it seems to be as good a knife as my 2 real para 2s...
26:34 I don't know if it's mentioned in the video, but I think I just noticed another difference in the blades. On the fake one, above the hole, there is no visible line for where the blade's full flat ground taper starts, but there is in the authentic one. What do you guys think?
The thing is a lot of people don't want to outlay lots of dollars for a knife... they would prefer to get a cheaper copy... I've had my grandfathers BUCK pocket knife for 35years now... and it still retains a terrific edge use it quite a lot... when I used to go shooting many years ago I then used granddads knife to skin rabbits for dinner... but today most of the knives are made in japan...china.. hong kong granddads buck was american made!!! Stamped on both blades... ok happy hunting keep sharp... cheers🍺🍺🍻🍻...
My paramilitary 2 doesn’t have the numbers touch the barcode lol but I bought it from Blade HQ. Everything else checks out like where it was made, the correct punctuation and spaces on the blade itself
Everybody claims to know what a fake looks like but I work in manufacturing and I can tell you that there are a lot of variations in between lots and even more if there’s multiple locations making the same/similar products for a company
1 thirty in you called Spyderco's "overpriced" --- I almost spit out my coffe - I know this video is 7 years old, but if you look today pricing on Spydercos has remained stable, and only small increases to pricing in the past year or so (due to all the BS we had to deal with the coof)... so that comment to me didn't age well - meanwhile, Benchmade asking the prices they are - now that's something worthy of being called "overpriced" - and the QC is garbage, bad grinds, uneven plunges, nothing exciting... Spyderco on the other hand continues to create new products, and even their own steel!
One other thing I noticed from your side by side at 26:15 is that the plunge line on the fake doesn't really go all the way to the top on the spine side of the spidey hole, at least it's not as defined as the real one.
Some of the grinds are good, some not. You can sometimes run across knives that look like they were ground by beginners for sure. Real spydercos can have this problem as well.
I have a PM2 camp, fuckin love it. I bought mine from the stone in Golden. My camo looks more the color of your Chinese one. Your real PM2 has a lot of orange lookin color. Mine has traditional digicamo colors..
I have seen ebay and other web listings where as they are using a REAL Spyderco for their images-- and or they are careful not to show it large where you could zoom in. The pictures don't necessarily mean anything- cause they could be showing you a REAL ONE and sending you the fake. Great portrayal here by the way, I enjoyed this.
My para 2 came from amazon, it's got the foam of the real one but the barcode text looks like the fake ones. It's definitely real though looking at your comparison of the G10. It's a perfect 90 degrees all around the edge, sloped near the lock cutout, and very toothy. Lanyard hole, pivot screw, and skeletonized liner also matches the real one in your video. So I guess the barcode text isn't really a good indicator at least as of Nov 2016.
The most important parts are the knife. The boxes are printed in China. Some of the places that make the boxes for Spyderco may make the clone boxes. Some Spydercos are made in China as well. As long as the knife matches up, that's good. That's why I say even though the boxes are interesting, it's like reading tea leaves. Doesn't mean much. I've seen really poor real boxes. The foam seems to be the most accurate thing about the boxes.
I’ve owned & used my gifted Spyderco for over 23 years. Why bother with a clone when the metal and hardness of the blade is what you pay is what you get. There is a probability that the material will also rust out over time on the clone.
The barcode is not consistent neither of the boxes I have touch the numbers and they match in appearance. I have two Manix 2s the Blurple G10 s110v which came from BHQ so obviously reputable, and a standard black G10 which I ordered off amazon. I sent the black g10 in to Spyderco for warranty service with the box and was returned to me with no issues.
I don't care about the boxes much. I buy these knives for the almost perfect versions of popular/ expensive knives. These look Great and are very sturdy and functional. I own many Chinese made knives including Ganzo knives which I've had for well over 10 years, still work perfectly.
+MrPuch78 They change so often, that you have to look them over very carefully. Make sure they have good pictures of the lock area and don't buy the cheapest or the most expensive.
In regards to the barcodes what you are looking at are different densities of the barcode. If you look at the genuine you will see it is wider that means it has a lower density versus the fake which has a higher density. The numbers touching are simply the size of the font. The chinese clone boxes could easily make these changes to appear real.
+Jeff Woods No, not so much. But I play around with Car and Motorcycle engines quite a bit. Glad you enjoyed the video, thanx! Here's my Porsche Engine I built: www.turbonet.biz/misc/930/DSCF0598.JPG
Nice. I got a clone Para Military 2 with the tanto blade, and after watching this video I’ve concluded that either China greatly improved the clones or mine is not a clone. I liked the Para Military 2 so much I ordered an OEM with the original blade in S45VN. They’re different blade styles, so there was a tiny difference in where a symbol was etched (not the logo - other side). Not really concerned either way though. I’m not selling them, and they’re both awesome.
I've no clue what the number in the bottom right corner is either, however, it is always a four digit number from my understanding. That it is not on the displayed correctly on the fakes screamed at me that they probably weren't legit.
Just received my first PM2 tan sprint run from knife center... a little confused about the box. It has the right paper, right foam insert, but the bar code doesn't touch the numbers. The spyderco lettering on the side doesn't look perfectly centered either. The knife is razor sharp, jimping is right, etching is right, hardware, scales, liners, everything seems right about the knife, but the lanyard hole doesn't exactly seem chamfered to me. Literally everything else seems legit though. Thoughts? I have another one on the way from KC in blurple. I'll check them back to back.
Don't worry to much about the Box much. Those things are printed in China just like the knock offs. Pay attention to the knife. Try to find a clone video newer than mine. They may have figured out some stuff and corrected it. I would find it hard to believe Knifecenter got scammed.
Yeah I figured KC would be highly reputable. Thanks for the fast reply! the knife Is superb in every way, the only thing that doesn't fit a "genuine" description is the lanyard loop. not really chamfered that I can tell. I was so impressed with it that I ordered a blurple PM2 and a pink native 5 for my wife. Kind of wish I hadn't invested so much in benchmades now. haha
i just received ( 2 days ago) a Tenacious Lightweight fully serrated black, made in China, from an european seller (Lamnia). the box does not look very well. it is intact but with scratches. the bars dont touch numbers, too. the foam is black and thick, cant see through. the knife looks perfect. anyway, i doubt Lamnia would sell fakes.
Thanks for the video. Just got mine off Amazon supplied by Outfitter Country, Toledo.OH. Black Blade - Back Handle - all Black Hardware. Everything checks out as genuine from the size of the foam to the chamfered lanyard hole. Even weighed in at 3.7 oz. Have you weighed the fakes? I have two concerns that are not related to the knife. 1) The box is not pristine and one corner was torn. 2) No letter was included only the Product Information & Warranty Guide. As I said, everything about the knife itself checks out. What do you think?
+repeterpan The boxes go through hell sometimes. I don't know how they normally send them to distributors but sometimes the boxes are a little beat up. I only weigh them when they are greatly different. On the Para 2's they are pretty much the same weight. I would say if the Foam looks good, you are good to go! Which is strange as hell really. The foam is always off on the Real Spydercos. The lock area is the one of real tells. So much so that the Chinese sites are blurring that area in their photos on Aliexpress. If they have the Flashy product guide, then they don't come with the letter. It's an either/or kind of thing. Glad your is Genuine, the Para 2's are nice knives. I have a Silver/Camo and a Black/Camo and really like them as well as the Military. I am getting ready to post a Titanium Millie comparison maybe tomorrow.
+David C Not true, Some real boxes have a lot of variability in the "nose" small and large, and there are small and large in the clones. I've looked closely at 50 or so real boxes and the same amount in clones. It's tea leaves my friend. You cannot use that as a criteria for anything.
just bought a fake at a gun show ,mine had a Black Blade handle scales we're not correct but the thing that gave it away did a few cuts on a piece of cardboard and the steel went from hair shaving Sharp 2 dull and would not cut paper. took it back and exchanged a new one ,also the Box was missing the point on the spider.
I guess you're talking about the G-10? I have 2 Para2s and 2 Millies in Camo and the CAMO patterns are OK but not stellar. I like the Black blades agains the CAMO! I'm interested in the new Zome patterns on the Delica and Endura though. It's just another trick from Spyderco to get people to buy more Enduras and Delicas but I think they look nice anyway.
Some of the "fakes" are just knifes that didn't pass inspection for minuscule reasons and get sold to the second market. But as long as the steel is the same you can find great deals on these knifes.
It's so tight that it's not functional. To use it I would have to pull it up with my nail every time it goes on and off something. But I'll try bending it. Sounds like a better suggestion than find a tiny star screw head. Thanks
I bought a spyderco delica dor around 15 bucks i thought it was a steal he said the blade was chipped and the tip was messed up but i could have easily reprofiled it insteand i got a ganzo
Svaka čast, potrudio si se maksimalno da uporediš detalje. Jedini je problem što nisi naveo koja je razlika u funkcionalnosti. Ko kupi Paramilitary 2 kopiju, verovatno će se smejati onima koji imaju original. Ja nisam video razliku u tome čemu može da posluži ovaj komad čelika, bio on original ili kopija. Glupost je gledati ivice drške, da li su zaobljene ili ne i sve ostalo što ste naveli. Veliki pozdrav i svako dobro.
You have misunderstood why I made the video. It was mainly for people to determine whether they had bought a Genuine Spyderco or a Fake Spyderco. Secondary was my wish to show quality as well.
@@lesgarten Savršeno sam Vas razumeo. I duboko sam uveren da onaj koji kupuje kvalitetan nož, već zna sve o njemu. A naivnih svakako da ima. Pozdrav i svako dobro.
26:30 ... it seems that comparing both blades that in the real one you can see the horizontal grind line continues on the outer part of the hole. But on the fake it does not. (it might be a trick of the light though)
Naw, they usually use something like 8CR13MOV, D2, or something along those lines. Spyderco uses 8CR13MOV in a lot of their lower end knives like the Tenacious. The cloners are just copying the marks.
The screws on the real Para 2 will appear strange at first because they are kinda tapered to facilitate insertion of the torque wrench. But the wrench goes in and locks in much better on the real Spyderco screws than the seemingly better appearing clone screws that are EXTREMELY soft and not very accurate in their sizing. If you look at the spyderco screws under magnification, at least 10x or so, they will look at lot better to you.
I just received a fake...that had the correct liner milling, and had the smooth contour on the back opposite of the compression lock. Lanyard hole still not chamfered.
I'm sure the Chinese appreciate your efforts to improve their fakes. LOL
Every little bit helps!
I've received a lot of feedback from some folks that these videos have helped them avoid or ID fakes.
Now if they only use higher end steels......
@@Runsfrombears is it not S30V?
@@GigaQuantum doubtful
my PM2 came with a fortune cookie in the box it read "die capitalist pig". Still not sure if its a fake or not.
Ohhh that means it's real...
Die Capitalist Pig is definitely a Message from our Democratic friends in Golden, CO...
I'm sure they'll come out with a Hillary Clinton version with Bleached G-10.
PFFT HAHAHAHA for real man that was funny as shit
Yup! That’s from Colorado alright. Hillary voting liberals.
If you tell me Spyderco is Pro Hillary Clinton, I will sell my spydercos tonight.
Lol
Your video cured my insomnia.
Says he's not going to spend a lot of time looking at the box... spends a long time looking at the box.
Fooled ya!
@@lesgarten Yeah you got me. I powered through though to see that sweet knife action.
Seems like the jimping on the real Spyderco is much sharper than the fake also. Noticed it when you were showing the torx screw.
Excellent video, really set my mind at ease...
thanks a bunch!
***** Thanx! Glad it helped!
Thanks for the great info. I was able to determine my Spyderco paramilitary 2 was legit within a short while. Great info.
+Lance Riehl Thanx! Glad it helped!
Just ran across your video and it was a great help in determining if the PM2 was real or fake
and it is real. Even buying from a reputable dealer of Spyderco Knives does not mean they did
not get taken in by a fake.
Thanks.
It's been a while since I made these videos. Glad they can still be of some use.
Thanks for making a great video. I just got my Spyderco from China (June 2017) and they have fixed almost all the areas that you mentioned. There is still a discernible difference on the sharpness of the plastic. Not as much as before; but, still a little sharper. The screws are better; but, still not locking my torque screwdriver in. The skeletonized area is also the same as before, only on one side. The box is an improvement. It is sharp and clean, looks just like the original. I paid $22.65 and it took 19 days for shipping. I am very happy.
Thanx for the update!
Awesome
Great video! Was very informative. Happy to know mine is genuine!
stealth1546 Great news! Thanx!
This is the best 'spot the fake' video. Had me sweating the entire time. Luckily mine has both skeletonized cut outs on the liner's non-locking side.
A really obvious one that jumped out to me was that the thicker ridge between the choil and the beginning of the cutting edge bisects the middle of the finger hole on the genuine, while crossing about 1/3 of the way up the hole on the fake. I actually kept waiting for him to mention it the last couple of minutes when he kept holding them up side by side to look at the markings.
Thanks to this video, I know now for sure that I've got the real deal pm2. Thank you!
You're welcome!
I also noticed that the part of the steel that has Golden Colorado etched on it
cuts off in the middle of the spydy hole,the fake cuts off the hole a bit lower.
And the gimping is slightly angled on top of the the real one.
The star / torx screws are a quick way to identify. Good catch ! thanks
You're welcome El Tigre!
Hey Les, EXCELLENT VIDEO - you're really a PRO at this! Thanks for taking so much time to show so many details between the real vs. fake so we can check on our knives. I also appreciated that you commented on past experience of other fakes you've seen. Very helpful information. I was wondering, have you made a similar fake vs. real video for the Spyderco Shaman? I just subscribed to your channel, so I will try to search for it. My son and I both have a Shaman in black G10 - one was purchased from a very reputable dealer and the other was purchased from a place I don't trust as much, so it makes me wonder. Even if you haven't made such a video, I can still use a lot of the tips from this video for things to look for. Thanks again!🙂👍
Finally good video with good tips
So I got shipped a real one some years ago from the US
Thanx!
Thanks -- Good to be able to differentiate between real and fake and what to look for!
Man you sure know good details,pointing out all that fakes flaws is almost like a jewelry expert knowing good and bad jewelry.Good video and information about authentic knives vs. copies
+coolbut Nogame Thanx! It started out because I was worried I'd get nailed by one.
+Les Garten You got a good channel,I just got a Kershaw Camp18 and I'm going to give Kershaw a call because it looks like a copy,but i paid the original price from a Amazon vendor.....You attention to detail is A plus
Most excellent comparison video. thank you.
+Bob Sicotte You're welcome!
I've been buying Spyderco lately and didn't know there were fakes out there in the world. Apparently its a huge business. Not good. I've checked over all my Spyderco's and believe they are all authentic but as we speak I have two knives being shipped from Amazon. Both ZDP 189. One Stretch and one Endura. Both in the British Racing Green color. Thanks to you Ill be able to look them over when I get them and try to verify authenticity. Again, totally excellent and educational video! Thanks!
Hey even Spyderco themselves are making some of their knife lines in China. Why? Because they appreciate Chinese quality control, effectiveness of their workers and pride of craftsmanship not too mention it saved Spyderco production costs while still charging top prices. Chinese are fantastic copy makers and they use modern machinery and Our steel. I have no problem purchasing their items.
Excellent tutorial, thank you!
You're welcome
Hey man, thanks for making this great video. I just got my black Para Military 2 in the mail yesterday and I was really worried about its authenticity. I've watched a bunch of other videos on here explaining real vs. fake, but none of them put my mind at ease. This one did it though. Very detailed and methodical with clear explanations and lots of close ups. Now I know that my knife is the genuine article and I have you to thank for that. Cheers.
megagene Outstanding! Glad it helped!
I was about to say nearly the exact same thing. THANK YOU for posting this extremely well put together video!!!
+devnull128 You're welcome!
Les Garten how would I avoid buying a knock off just curious but I would hate paying full price and getting a lesser quality blade
Make sure you buy from someone who will fully refund all your expense if you get scammed.
Knifecenter
Knifeworks
Amazon
BladeHQ
Places like that. Then check to make sure it is genuine
Got my copy of para 2 from ali for 15 dollars. And I'm very happy, great edge out of the box, fit and finish perfect and so centering. So far perfection
David Nastoupil link?
Yea the foam here on your video matches the same foam I have and there is a space between the box and the foam.
Thats actually a great way to know if its a fake or not.
Thanks for the education.
I bought it on the ebays, price was right but almost too good. it's real and everything you said is spot on. you must be a trained observer (or just OCD) , but excellent video. I'm subbing
I actually bought a legit PM2 in S110V that came in a box that was broken (i assume due to domestic shipping) and the foam was larger than the bottom of the box. the foam was dense and other than size had no difference between it and any other of my spydercos. apart from box damage, everything on the box looked right as well.
so, even the foam can on a legit spyderco can be off. there's always an exception to the rule.
hi there Newest subscriber here! liking your videos you really helped me with the Rubicon. have you tried any sharpens best products? if not please look into getting and trying it out also a video on it would be awesome! thanks Alex
Thank you! Well done, organized video!
You're welcome!
The screws for the pocket clip on the real one have a bead blasted or matte satin finish, the fakes both have really shiny pocket clip screws.
Thanks!
Well, I'm in a bit of a pickle. I recently bought the PM2 off of Amazon and have gotten a bit of both worlds. First off, the knife was sent via FedEx, not the normal shipping service Amazon uses, and it was merely the box tossed inside the envelope. The box meets all the "fake" points; the deep gradient and the bar code not touching the numbers. However, the knife itself meets the "genuine" points; finished belt clip, the intricate screws, and the two skeletonized sections on the inside. I don't know what to make of this.
Wow ml Galten, vely nice Spydelco Palamilitaly Thlee you've got thele!
Thank you for manually adjusting the focus instead of just waving the product around and yelling focus. I hate when videos do that. Got my fist spydeco otw in the mail (paramilitary 2) :)
Kevin S Focus is a constant irritant! Congratulations on your new knife.
The proper phrase is “focus you fock” AveE
I have a $20 Para II clone that is so good my dealer couldn't tell the difference from the real one. I liked it so well I ended up buying the real deal. Good vid.
Do you know if the steel is really s30v? They swear up and down that it is
They are difficult to tell for sure. You can tell if you start taking them apart. The screws are soft and what they screw into is soft, so you get stripping real quick. Or they stripped it when they put them together, I've seen that a lot.
You mean on the clone? I've never had them tell me that.
But it's not
Yes. My dealer couldn't tell the diff.
TheGoatMumbler well, your dealer sells you drugs. cant expect him to know everything about knives
Super detailed, and spent a good amount of time on each section... best one I've seen!
Thanx, glad you got something out of it!
I believe the weight is supposed to be 3.75 Oz, however my pm2 weighs in at 3.82 Oz. Everything else checks out for authenticity. Perhaps you could do a weight comparison of the clones versus the real one. Many thanks for the excellent and tedious work 😀
Funny my 10yr old para 2 fake, weighs 4.2 oz, i use it all the time and must say it has held up well,it was a gift and for several yrs i did not know it was a fake...i really dont know what the blade steel is, says sv 30, it seems to be as good a knife as my 2 real para 2s...
26:34 I don't know if it's mentioned in the video, but I think I just noticed another difference in the blades. On the fake one, above the hole, there is no visible line for where the blade's full flat ground taper starts, but there is in the authentic one. What do you guys think?
@100% Video Thanks!
Nice information. I subscribed.
The thing is a lot of people don't want to outlay lots of dollars for a knife... they would prefer to get a cheaper copy... I've had my grandfathers BUCK pocket knife for 35years now... and it still retains a terrific edge use it quite a lot... when I used to go shooting many years ago I then used granddads knife to skin rabbits for dinner... but today most of the knives are made in
japan...china.. hong kong granddads buck was american made!!! Stamped on both blades... ok happy hunting keep sharp... cheers🍺🍺🍻🍻...
My paramilitary 2 doesn’t have the numbers touch the barcode lol but I bought it from Blade HQ. Everything else checks out like where it was made, the correct punctuation and spaces on the blade itself
Everybody claims to know what a fake looks like but I work in manufacturing and I can tell you that there are a lot of variations in between lots and even more if there’s multiple locations making the same/similar products for a company
The jimping on the blades looked a lot different too!
I've also noticed in your video that the start of the edges on the fake knives start a bit closer to the thumb rest than the real ones. @ 26:12
Thanks les, you put my mind at rest
1 thirty in you called Spyderco's "overpriced" --- I almost spit out my coffe - I know this video is 7 years old, but if you look today pricing on Spydercos has remained stable, and only small increases to pricing in the past year or so (due to all the BS we had to deal with the coof)... so that comment to me didn't age well - meanwhile, Benchmade asking the prices they are - now that's something worthy of being called "overpriced" - and the QC is garbage, bad grinds, uneven plunges, nothing exciting... Spyderco on the other hand continues to create new products, and even their own steel!
One other thing I noticed from your side by side at 26:15 is that the plunge line on the fake doesn't really go all the way to the top on the spine side of the spidey hole, at least it's not as defined as the real one.
Some of the grinds are good, some not. You can sometimes run across knives that look like they were ground by beginners for sure.
Real spydercos can have this problem as well.
Great video
Jabbawokeez4 Thanx!
I have a PM2 camp, fuckin love it. I bought mine from the stone in Golden. My camo looks more the color of your Chinese one. Your real PM2 has a lot of orange lookin color. Mine has traditional digicamo colors..
what if you mixed them up
I have seen ebay and other web listings where as they are using a REAL Spyderco for their images-- and or they are careful not to show it large where you could zoom in. The pictures don't necessarily mean anything- cause they could be showing you a REAL ONE and sending you the fake. Great portrayal here by the way, I enjoyed this.
Ebay, full of fakes for sure. I bought a Spyderco off ebay and drove the guy crazy with pic requests.
I got one. Any idea what steel they use?
Good vid.
What does the E and SA looking characters stand for on the right side of the blade?
+Cliff Barry Those are the Initials of Sal Glesser and Eric Glesser. Father and son who designed the knife and own Spyderco
+Les Garten Interesting, thanks.
I like how each knife has a different camo pattern on the handles.
My para 2 came from amazon, it's got the foam of the real one but the barcode text looks like the fake ones. It's definitely real though looking at your comparison of the G10. It's a perfect 90 degrees all around the edge, sloped near the lock cutout, and very toothy. Lanyard hole, pivot screw, and skeletonized liner also matches the real one in your video. So I guess the barcode text isn't really a good indicator at least as of Nov 2016.
The most important parts are the knife. The boxes are printed in China. Some of the places that make the boxes for Spyderco may make the clone boxes. Some Spydercos are made in China as well. As long as the knife matches up, that's good.
That's why I say even though the boxes are interesting, it's like reading tea leaves. Doesn't mean much. I've seen really poor real boxes. The foam seems to be the most accurate thing about the boxes.
Stay tuned for my Chris Reeve Mnandi clone review in about a month. They look like they are doing a pretty good knock off on it.
I’ve owned & used my gifted Spyderco for over 23 years. Why bother with a clone when the metal and hardness of the blade is what you pay is what you get. There is a probability that the material will also rust out over time on the clone.
The barcode is not consistent neither of the boxes I have touch the numbers and they match in appearance. I have two Manix 2s the Blurple G10 s110v which came from BHQ so obviously reputable, and a standard black G10 which I ordered off amazon. I sent the black g10 in to Spyderco for warranty service with the box and was returned to me with no issues.
They both work very well. Wish app has some really good deals.
I don't care about the boxes much. I buy these knives for the almost perfect versions of popular/ expensive knives. These look Great and are very sturdy and functional. I own many Chinese made knives including Ganzo knives which I've had for well over 10 years, still work perfectly.
Could you post a link to a good pm2 clone? Very interested in one
+MrPuch78 They change so often, that you have to look them over very carefully. Make sure they have good pictures of the lock area and don't buy the cheapest or the most expensive.
At the base of the clone blade there is a slight slit/notch perpendicular to the blade edge that isn't on the genuine. That may be the easiest tell.
KontrolEnthusiast Good eye! Almost like a sharpening notch.
Les Garten Wish I could take credit for an eagle eye, viewed or read about that particular tell in another comparo clone Spyderco vs. gen.
In regards to the barcodes what you are looking at are different densities of the barcode. If you look at the genuine you will see it is wider that means it has a lower density versus the fake which has a higher density. The numbers touching are simply the size of the font. The chinese clone boxes could easily make these changes to appear real.
I would agree with that. It has always been amazing they didn't do such a simple fix.
thankyou for that , very good rundown. By all your lingo, are you a woodworker by chance ?
+Jeff Woods No, not so much. But I play around with Car and Motorcycle engines quite a bit. Glad you enjoyed the video, thanx!
Here's my Porsche Engine I built: www.turbonet.biz/misc/930/DSCF0598.JPG
very nice indeed. i will attempt to emulate it in wood.
+Jeff Woods Heh, I'd like to see that!
Nice. I got a clone Para Military 2 with the tanto blade, and after watching this video I’ve concluded that either China greatly improved the clones or mine is not a clone. I liked the Para Military 2 so much I ordered an OEM with the original blade in S45VN. They’re different blade styles, so there was a tiny difference in where a symbol was etched (not the logo - other side). Not really concerned either way though. I’m not selling them, and they’re both awesome.
where to buy a PARA 2 Curve blade (normal) china clone ? EDIT : Resolved , Ordered 3x clone for $36 S30V :P
I've no clue what the number in the bottom right corner is either, however, it is always a four digit number from my understanding. That it is not on the displayed correctly on the fakes screamed at me that they probably weren't legit.
i got one with with a barcode not touching the numbers but everything checks out to be a legit pm2 should i be ok?
Where did you get it?
Just received my first PM2 tan sprint run from knife center... a little confused about the box. It has the right paper, right foam insert, but the bar code doesn't touch the numbers. The spyderco lettering on the side doesn't look perfectly centered either. The knife is razor sharp, jimping is right, etching is right, hardware, scales, liners, everything seems right about the knife, but the lanyard hole doesn't exactly seem chamfered to me. Literally everything else seems legit though. Thoughts? I have another one on the way from KC in blurple. I'll check them back to back.
Don't worry to much about the Box much. Those things are printed in China just like the knock offs. Pay attention to the knife. Try to find a clone video newer than mine. They may have figured out some stuff and corrected it. I would find it hard to believe Knifecenter got scammed.
Yeah I figured KC would be highly reputable. Thanks for the fast reply! the knife Is superb in every way, the only thing that doesn't fit a "genuine" description is the lanyard loop. not really chamfered that I can tell. I was so impressed with it that I ordered a blurple PM2 and a pink native 5 for my wife. Kind of wish I hadn't invested so much in benchmades now. haha
i just received ( 2 days ago) a Tenacious Lightweight fully serrated black, made in China, from an european seller (Lamnia). the box does not look very well. it is intact but with scratches. the bars dont touch numbers, too. the foam is black and thick, cant see through.
the knife looks perfect. anyway, i doubt Lamnia would sell fakes.
Thanks for the video. Just got mine off Amazon supplied by Outfitter Country, Toledo.OH. Black Blade - Back Handle - all Black Hardware. Everything checks out as genuine from the size of the foam to the chamfered lanyard hole. Even weighed in at 3.7 oz. Have you weighed the fakes?
I have two concerns that are not related to the knife. 1) The box is not pristine and one corner was torn. 2) No letter was included only the Product Information & Warranty Guide.
As I said, everything about the knife itself checks out. What do you think?
+repeterpan The boxes go through hell sometimes. I don't know how they normally send them to distributors but sometimes the boxes are a little beat up. I only weigh them when they are greatly different. On the Para 2's they are pretty much the same weight. I would say if the Foam looks good, you are good to go! Which is strange as hell really. The foam is always off on the Real Spydercos. The lock area is the one of real tells. So much so that the Chinese sites are blurring that area in their photos on Aliexpress. If they have the Flashy product guide, then they don't come with the letter. It's an either/or kind of thing. Glad your is Genuine, the Para 2's are nice knives. I have a Silver/Camo and a Black/Camo and really like them as well as the Military.
I am getting ready to post a Titanium Millie comparison maybe tomorrow.
Thanks for the quick reply. My lock area looks good, not pointy. Thank you for telling me about the paper work. I'm a Happy Camper.
+David C Not true, Some real boxes have a lot of variability in the "nose" small and large, and there are small and large in the clones. I've looked closely at 50 or so real boxes and the same amount in clones. It's tea leaves my friend. You cannot use that as a criteria for anything.
Man, how’d you end up with so many clones?
where did you get the Chinese nock offs
just bought a fake at a gun show ,mine had a Black Blade handle scales we're not correct but the thing that gave it away did a few cuts on a piece of cardboard and the steel went from hair shaving Sharp 2 dull and would not cut paper. took it back and exchanged a new one ,also the Box was missing the point on the spider.
You can feel which is which because the clips are not in the same spots
Where do you even buy the counterfeit ones?
Amazon
Just kidding...
Aliexpress, DHGATE
Amazon and ebay if you are not careful or paying attention
25:51 he has to stop and think which one is real. He’ll probably end up accidentally giving away the real knife to a friend.
They are close...
I don't mind a fake, although they aren't for me, as long as it is sold as such. thanks for the great info, got to check my M4 Jade pm2 out
The pattern on that real one sux. Mine looks awesome and. Did by mine from blade hq
I guess you're talking about the G-10? I have 2 Para2s and 2 Millies in Camo and the CAMO patterns are OK but not stellar. I like the Black blades agains the CAMO!
I'm interested in the new Zome patterns on the Delica and Endura though. It's just another trick from Spyderco to get people to buy more Enduras and Delicas but I think they look nice anyway.
Where did you order the clone at I would like to see the difference between mine thanks so much
7 years ago -- Aliexpress
@@lesgarten thank you so much
So don't know why but watching these videos makes me excited to get my knockoff para 2 with carbon fiber handles
As long as the blade steel is what it says... then it isn't "fake' IMO.
I'll take the "fake" Ferrari with the real v12 in it all day.
Just got one was very worried about it being a fake lucky for me it's not Blade.hq always sells real knives that you can trust
Indeed, Knifecenter as well. GPKinives as well
On the real box at the spider when in the light different than the fake ones
Some of the "fakes" are just knifes that didn't pass inspection for minuscule reasons and get sold to the second market. But as long as the steel is the same you can find great deals on these knifes.
That may be true of some fakes. But it is not true of Spydercos. I've had a lot of Fake Spydercos in my hands and they are not seconds.
I'd like to know the weights of each, please?
That was a while ago and I no longer have the Clones. There was no appreciable difference in the weight though.
Bought a clone two months ago, noticed that the clip is near impossible to use. Won't even let paper in. Would loosening the screws on the clip help?
It's so tight that it's not functional. To use it I would have to pull it up with my nail every time it goes on and off something. But I'll try bending it. Sounds like a better suggestion than find a tiny star screw head. Thanks
The bend worked great! Thanks
Is the steel in the clones really S30V? Or not likely?
Bogus. But it's not terrible steel. Most likely 8CR13MOV or 440C or D2.
did they make a fake one of the manix2 lw? I ordered one on ebay and now I'm a little worried
being that the authentic one is cheap, why even get worked up
I bought a spyderco delica dor around 15 bucks i thought it was a steal he said the blade was chipped and the tip was messed up but i could have easily reprofiled it insteand i got a ganzo
best way to guarantee you have a real one is to get it from the spyderco website
Svaka čast, potrudio si se maksimalno da uporediš detalje.
Jedini je problem što nisi naveo koja je razlika u funkcionalnosti.
Ko kupi Paramilitary 2 kopiju, verovatno će se smejati onima koji imaju original.
Ja nisam video razliku u tome čemu može da posluži ovaj komad čelika, bio on original ili kopija.
Glupost je gledati ivice drške, da li su zaobljene ili ne i sve ostalo što ste naveli.
Veliki pozdrav i svako dobro.
You have misunderstood why I made the video. It was mainly for people to determine whether they had bought a Genuine Spyderco or a Fake Spyderco. Secondary was my wish to show quality as well.
@@lesgarten Savršeno sam Vas razumeo. I duboko sam uveren da onaj koji kupuje kvalitetan nož, već zna sve o njemu. A naivnih svakako da ima.
Pozdrav i svako dobro.
Where can you even find Spyderco fakes? I can't seem to ever find any on sites that usually have fakes.
26:30 ... it seems that comparing both blades that in the real one you can see the horizontal grind line continues on the outer part of the hole. But on the fake it does not. (it might be a trick of the light though)
Doesn't really help though. They are all ground by hand, no two will be alike. I usually try to find things that are reliably different.
I thought I was on to something, but it wouldn't be the first time (or last) that I was full of beans! ;)
and also the sides of the blades
Actual review 6:46
The biggest difference I noticed was the scales. They just have a cheaper look to them. Like less time was spent on them.
The blade material looks to almost be identical is the fake made from CPM S30V?
Naw, they usually use something like 8CR13MOV, D2, or something along those lines. Spyderco uses 8CR13MOV in a lot of their lower end knives like the Tenacious. The cloners are just copying the marks.
I got my Paramilitary 2 this morning and I thought is was fake because the screws looked cheap and busted. Turns out it's real. I love it so far.
The screws on the real Para 2 will appear strange at first because they are kinda tapered to facilitate insertion of the torque wrench. But the wrench goes in and locks in much better on the real Spyderco screws than the seemingly better appearing clone screws that are EXTREMELY soft and not very accurate in their sizing. If you look at the spyderco screws under magnification, at least 10x or so, they will look at lot better to you.
Still functions as a knife
have I missed something? this is pure counterfeit. right down to the makers mark
I think you did miss something. Comparison of real vs clone
I just received a fake...that had the correct liner milling, and had the smooth contour on the back opposite of the compression lock. Lanyard hole still not chamfered.
Ebay
Were they using the cheap screws?