After considering for a long time, I decided to change into macemist with pen type build. This only the 1st part, ill update more in next videos. Stay tuned guys!
Yes, but its hard to get refine awaken w Valks due to high cost. I think u should try white equips first, then upgrade later. Beside, u have to tier up ur valks set to tier II to get extra slots. Valks set gives u more HP, but 80 white set gives u more dps.
Hi Gin thanks for your informative video, just want to know which is better lvl80 set or lvl110 set? may current set is lvl80, I only have lvl110 talisman. Please give us a more informative comparison for the 2 sets thanks a lot Gin!!
Macemist mainly damage comes from Impulsive Slash which considered as a Passive Skill. This skill will never miss, but doesnt take any benefit from 110 set. The 110 set is for "Active Skill" only. In the other hand, if u wear 110 set, u will have more def and HP than 80 set. To me, i picked 80 set cuz i usually solo bosses.
thank you so much!! @@ginkaiser already bought 2 more lvl110, and test damage and result slightly increase hahaha I will just try to use some active skills to use the set effect of lvl110 hehe thanks a lot gin
I cant say which one is better. It depends on ur purposes while playing w friends or alone in ur journey. Of course everybody wanna be strong but thats not enough. Choose the way gives u joy and efforts to play everyday, thats what i saw when picked pen type. Wish u luck.
Rose Shield + 6 lines of Alberta P.Pen% are the combo for Pen type Mace. Once u got Alberta enchant, u dont need to use any Pen cards and save these slots for F.Pdmg Bonus or Element better.
Planning to make mt mace build pen type so i can use demo/acid battle same time..did u try it?i use haste shield. +7 god already no cd at lvl7..ups 102 only. I guess when ups 180. Lvl10 already no cd.
The reason i change into mace is stop consuming bottles. Mace's main dps comes from Impulsive Slash which needs aspd to proc as much as possible. Im a Pen type Macemist, but i dont use bottles in combat because the animation casting too long. It needs ~0.7 sec to 1 sec for each move. Meanwhile u can proc at least 2 slash within ~1 sec (at 815% aspd for 5hit/s). Actually, u need Rose Shield / Pen Shield 110, not haste shield.
@@ginkaiser sorry was not specific..i mean i use IS for afk. But if i want to BH. Im planning to use the bottle build for longrange. So if m going penmace. Would my bottle dmg be high? Based on ur build now. Did u try using bottle if ur dmg is high?
@@RoxF2Play the dmg will be lower than only using IS. Like i said above, due to the long animation casting time. But I cant get the point "planning to use bottle build for longrange" ? Macemist is melee, not range. Even when u BH, u can still catch up the target within seconds and no need to throw anything. Simplify bro.
@@ginkaiser just want to have both playstyle.hehe...mace on afk. Bottle throw on mvp/mini..... Just want to know if the dmg is too low if using mace on bottle throw with pen build.
Basically, macemist uses normal atk to trigger Impulsive Slash and Gene Upgrade, so we may not need to use skills in PVE. You can check my skills build in here: th-cam.com/video/TxnIdnt1AQI/w-d-xo.html
im afraid i cant anymore becuz i refined my pet stats. Now its suitable for mace, not 1h axe anymore so definitely mace will have higher dmg than axe. But im really happy w mace now.
I think Mace 1Hand is better for F2P players. Becuz u dont need to worry about zeny consuming. In the other hand, u will be melee combat which cause u die easily than range. About Mace Pros: - No zeny consuming (just crafting some bottles for pvp if u want) - High def (Yes, tanky) - Can use all skills in SE (unlike 1H Axe, only use 2/4 skills) - Has many builds such as: tanker / attacker / hybrid / support - Can use all elements (not require or force any) Cons: - MELEE atk - Have to decide between Crit & Pen type.
Theo ý kiến cá nhân mình nghĩ thì về late game Pen type sẽ tốt hơn so với Crit type vì: Skill "War Axe" trong mục Contract của Shadow (SE) gây dmg theo dạng "chiêu thức" (skill), ko gây dmg theo dạng "đánh tay" (normal atk). Vì thế khi đi Pen thì sẽ tận dụng tối đa skill này. Như bạn thấy trong video, phần dmg của Bleed (gây ra từ War Axe) chiếm hơn đến 35% trong tổng số DPS. Ngoài ra, skill Illusion Doping và Thorn Wall cũng có công thức tính dmg tương tự. Nếu đi Pen thì bạn sẽ tận dụng được 2 skill này. Cuối cùng là về yểm. Hiện tại, Pen type đang được cộng hưởng rất tốt từ yểm P.Pen% ở thành Alberta khi kết hợp khiên (Pen) và bùa trắng Aria Strouf (lv110). Từ lối build này bạn sẽ không cần phải gắn card Final P.Pen mà vẫn có được xấp xỉ 400% Final P.Pen cho patch hiện tại. Điểm yếu của Pen type đó là: bắt buộc bạn phải có lượng raw Pen (Pen) trên 5700 điểm để tối ưu hóa yểm Alberta. Và cần tối thiểu 6 dòng yểm P.Pen% Alberta để có lượng Pen vừa đủ. Đây chắc chắn là một quá trình build acc rất dài và tốn kém hơn so với Crit type.
Blue Shield for Crit type, White Pen Shield for Pen type. If u r pen type and still want to use Blue shield, make sure that u have enough P.Pen and Final P.Pen to balance stats
@@ginkaiser Hi Gin, im a whitesmith sub class creator right now and a new player in rox. im just wondering if i go P.Pen if much penetration should i be aiming for both whitesmith and creator in terms of %. BTW a new subscriber also :) thanks in advance for answering :)
@@annatan7792 thank you bro, i really appreciated. About ur question, this Alchemist - Creator - Genetic class requires INT stat, not STR. So if u fully down w Alchemist, u should consider to switch all STR into INT. U can check "how many %P.atk need to make STR equal to INT scaling" at: forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?bsn=37030&snA=12770&tnum=3
there are many reason of using fire, but my opinion is: card slots and enchanting. Neutral: Pros: Cheap, no need converter. Cons: dont have accessories card slot & enchant. Specific card slots make u have to decide which cards should be put in headgears slot between element (alarm) / final pdmg bonus (nereid). Fire: vice versa.
@@ginkaiserso is it still good enough if I mostly have Neutral Cards and pair it with Alberta P.Pen enchants? I'm a Mechanic trying to convert to Mace Alchemist.
If u focus more on PVE, i suggest u should get 6 lines of alberta p.pen% and 3 lines of izlude L-size. Raw pen enchant in morroc also good to combine w alberta.
@@microproxify if for boss hunting I say go for Large as you won't get it easily with cards. While with Fire, you can get it with shellfish or phenomena or the upcoming juno headgear card that gives 25%.
becuz theres no good gold mace for macemist. Beside, macemist is pure INT, doesnt need P.atk so I dont need gold equips for high P.atk. About ASPD, I can get around 815% (5 hits / s) if max out SE6 and mace +10 which is easy to get w white stuffs. Blue is good but I dont need Verocity effect so nah. Its x2 refine cost tho. Im waiting for Juno's mace. In case its good, ill switch or ill stay w white mace. Get Ref Awk IV is better than use Nemesis or tier 3/4 mace.
Hello good sir, do you recommend switching from 1hand axe shield mechanic to 1hand axe shield genetic?? Im currently playing with 1hand axe shield mechanic.. or is it better to go and use mace instead?? Thanks in advance for the answer..
Hi, sry for late responding. If u want a new/strange/weird/mysterious build, welcome to mace. Or u can continue playing 1H mechanic, its still the most balance class till now. About mace like me, i enjoy every contents in game. Its like giving me another chance to learn and try a new build which less ppl does.
sir what is much better in pvp pen or crit ?
Where final pbo do u get from?
5x nereid on headgears
Aria Strouf +8 (RA3)
My wolf pet ~ 70%
SE6
Mace type is literally pen type?
its both crit & pen type w different build.
Why switch gin? 😢 1hand mace better than 1hand axe? For end game?
Can i use valkyrie set for macemist pen type? I'm lvl60
Yes, but its hard to get refine awaken w Valks due to high cost. I think u should try white equips first, then upgrade later. Beside, u have to tier up ur valks set to tier II to get extra slots.
Valks set gives u more HP, but 80 white set gives u more dps.
Please do another video for this macemist.. Thanks a lot godbless!
Hi man. U habe very low str, how could your normal atk (without impilse or gene) dmg so huge.
Final P.Pen and Final P.dmg Bonus help increasing my normal atk :D
sir do you have discord ?
Gin#5169 bro
H ít ng việt làm game này nhở
Bro.do you have video for pvp skills?
th-cam.com/video/UI-FvIiuUI8/w-d-xo.html here u r
Thanks bro
Any thoughts on Nemesis does it go well with the impulsive slash ?
beside extra slots, nemesis is affortable if u want to use gold equip. But i considered it as a wasted.
Can I use a verit pet and a fire type pet, or do I have to use a wolf pet ?
yes u can use verit + fire type build (if u are pen mace)
Hye gin..can share about element mace built ? Need fire or neutral?
im using fire element, combine w wolf's fire enhance skills.
What exactly do we need to enchant?I thought INT? So we were going go have PEN also??
Just balance if you are planning to do a pen type since 1h mace dont have enough pen unlike 1h axe
Hi Gin thanks for your informative video, just want to know which is better lvl80 set or lvl110 set? may current set is lvl80, I only have lvl110 talisman. Please give us a more informative comparison for the 2 sets thanks a lot Gin!!
Macemist mainly damage comes from Impulsive Slash which considered as a Passive Skill. This skill will never miss, but doesnt take any benefit from 110 set. The 110 set is for "Active Skill" only.
In the other hand, if u wear 110 set, u will have more def and HP than 80 set. To me, i picked 80 set cuz i usually solo bosses.
thank you so much!! @@ginkaiser already bought 2 more lvl110, and test damage and result slightly increase hahaha I will just try to use some active skills to use the set effect of lvl110 hehe thanks a lot gin
So Pen is better than Crit?. I did check crit even though only few vidoes it seems crit type is weaker.
I cant say which one is better. It depends on ur purposes while playing w friends or alone in ur journey. Of course everybody wanna be strong but thats not enough. Choose the way gives u joy and efforts to play everyday, thats what i saw when picked pen type. Wish u luck.
@@ginkaiser Ya Ill probably go Pen as well although the SE crit is wasted T_T.
Thanks for reply.
Hello can I ask which is better 1h axe alchemist/ 1h axe Whitesmith it's hard to decide
WS 1H Axe is better for endgame than Alchemist, espc if u have Soul Devouring Axe.
gin im already have 5megalodon and 5 alarm(160neutral) should i make it 130 then buy pdmg card? my acc alberta 4line
I think yes, u should balance ur stats including pen/p.dmg bonus/element following 2:1:1 ratio at least in this patch.
But getting f.pdmg bonus is more difficult than element.
@@ginkaiser next patch i should play fire gonna swith alarm to fire enchament so for weapon its okay 5 stone shooter right?
@@kayhok its cool. But remember to add some "debuff pen" cards becuz bosses will get buffed debuff resist when Juno came.
@@ginkaiser pls upload build enchant and etc
Hi gin..Good or not if use all pen card on head gear and use rose shield ?
Rose Shield + 6 lines of Alberta P.Pen% are the combo for Pen type Mace. Once u got Alberta enchant, u dont need to use any Pen cards and save these slots for F.Pdmg Bonus or Element better.
Planning to make mt mace build pen type so i can use demo/acid battle same time..did u try it?i use haste shield. +7 god already no cd at lvl7..ups 102 only. I guess when ups 180. Lvl10 already no cd.
The reason i change into mace is stop consuming bottles. Mace's main dps comes from Impulsive Slash which needs aspd to proc as much as possible.
Im a Pen type Macemist, but i dont use bottles in combat because the animation casting too long. It needs ~0.7 sec to 1 sec for each move. Meanwhile u can proc at least 2 slash within ~1 sec (at 815% aspd for 5hit/s).
Actually, u need Rose Shield / Pen Shield 110, not haste shield.
@@ginkaiser sorry was not specific..i mean i use IS for afk. But if i want to BH. Im planning to use the bottle build for longrange. So if m going penmace. Would my bottle dmg be high? Based on ur build now. Did u try using bottle if ur dmg is high?
@@RoxF2Play the dmg will be lower than only using IS. Like i said above, due to the long animation casting time.
But I cant get the point "planning to use bottle build for longrange" ? Macemist is melee, not range. Even when u BH, u can still catch up the target within seconds and no need to throw anything. Simplify bro.
@@ginkaiser just want to have both playstyle.hehe...mace on afk. Bottle throw on mvp/mini..... Just want to know if the dmg is too low if using mace on bottle throw with pen build.
@@RoxF2Play my mace pen build dps is higher than last 1H axe.
This is op 😅
What does the PEN 22421 come from?
comes from Alberta P.Pen% enchant. It boosts my raw pen by %, and get benefit from UA (Upgrade Awaken) and EA (Enchant Awaken).
share the skill build for macemist pls
Basically, macemist uses normal atk to trigger Impulsive Slash and Gene Upgrade, so we may not need to use skills in PVE. You can check my skills build in here: th-cam.com/video/TxnIdnt1AQI/w-d-xo.html
Giiin, please make comparasion 1h mace vs 1h axe pleaseeeee
im afraid i cant anymore becuz i refined my pet stats. Now its suitable for mace, not 1h axe anymore so definitely mace will have higher dmg than axe.
But im really happy w mace now.
Hey what about for your skill tree for this new Macemist?
FF
checkout my skill tree in here: th-cam.com/video/TxnIdnt1AQI/w-d-xo.html
I'm new using alchemist, can u suggest which better axe 1hand or mace 1hand for f2p? Thank you so much
I think Mace 1Hand is better for F2P players. Becuz u dont need to worry about zeny consuming. In the other hand, u will be melee combat which cause u die easily than range.
About Mace
Pros:
- No zeny consuming (just crafting some bottles for pvp if u want)
- High def (Yes, tanky)
- Can use all skills in SE (unlike 1H Axe, only use 2/4 skills)
- Has many builds such as: tanker / attacker / hybrid / support
- Can use all elements (not require or force any)
Cons:
- MELEE atk
- Have to decide between Crit & Pen type.
@@ginkaiser thank you so much gin!
@@ginkaiseris pen dmg far behind CRIT ?
@@mikemagbanua5217 depends on purposes. Like i said in those comments above/below, crit type is easy to build in the beginning while pen needs more.
@@ginkaiser I want to build pen so that i can also inc dmg of my illusion doping and other skills ty for the input sir
về late game tốc đánh ngon hơn khi build int pen ha bro gin
Theo ý kiến cá nhân mình nghĩ thì về late game Pen type sẽ tốt hơn so với Crit type vì:
Skill "War Axe" trong mục Contract của Shadow (SE) gây dmg theo dạng "chiêu thức" (skill), ko gây dmg theo dạng "đánh tay" (normal atk). Vì thế khi đi Pen thì sẽ tận dụng tối đa skill này. Như bạn thấy trong video, phần dmg của Bleed (gây ra từ War Axe) chiếm hơn đến 35% trong tổng số DPS.
Ngoài ra, skill Illusion Doping và Thorn Wall cũng có công thức tính dmg tương tự. Nếu đi Pen thì bạn sẽ tận dụng được 2 skill này.
Cuối cùng là về yểm. Hiện tại, Pen type đang được cộng hưởng rất tốt từ yểm P.Pen% ở thành Alberta khi kết hợp khiên (Pen) và bùa trắng Aria Strouf (lv110). Từ lối build này bạn sẽ không cần phải gắn card Final P.Pen mà vẫn có được xấp xỉ 400% Final P.Pen cho patch hiện tại.
Điểm yếu của Pen type đó là: bắt buộc bạn phải có lượng raw Pen (Pen) trên 5700 điểm để tối ưu hóa yểm Alberta. Và cần tối thiểu 6 dòng yểm P.Pen% Alberta để có lượng Pen vừa đủ. Đây chắc chắn là một quá trình build acc rất dài và tốn kém hơn so với Crit type.
@@ginkaiser cám ơn bro đã giải đáp nhé, mình mới chơi và đang chơi nhánh thợ rèn. Mình cũng học theo cách build của bro ở các clip trc.
If i dont go for gold shield is blue shield better or go for white pen shield?
Blue Shield for Crit type, White Pen Shield for Pen type. If u r pen type and still want to use Blue shield, make sure that u have enough P.Pen and Final P.Pen to balance stats
@@ginkaiser Hi Gin, im a whitesmith sub class creator right now and a new player in rox. im just wondering if i go P.Pen if much penetration should i be aiming for both whitesmith and creator in terms of %. BTW a new subscriber also :) thanks in advance for answering :)
@@annatan7792 thank you bro, i really appreciated. About ur question, this Alchemist - Creator - Genetic class requires INT stat, not STR. So if u fully down w Alchemist, u should consider to switch all STR into INT.
U can check "how many %P.atk need to make STR equal to INT scaling" at: forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?bsn=37030&snA=12770&tnum=3
Why so many enhance fire. While neutral are main alche element except 2h
there are many reason of using fire, but my opinion is: card slots and enchanting.
Neutral:
Pros: Cheap, no need converter.
Cons: dont have accessories card slot & enchant. Specific card slots make u have to decide which cards should be put in headgears slot between element (alarm) / final pdmg bonus (nereid).
Fire: vice versa.
@@ginkaiserso is it still good enough if I mostly have Neutral Cards and pair it with Alberta P.Pen enchants?
I'm a Mechanic trying to convert to Mace Alchemist.
@@microproxify its still good. U can balance ur stats in juno patch w new cards.
What's your recommended enchantments aside from INT enchants? is it still good to get 6-9 lines of Alberta enchants such as P.PEN %?
Six lines of alberta ppen% but you still need to use rose shield and lvl 50 talisman to maintain a relatively high pen.
@@jorg18ancrath its true.
If u focus more on PVE, i suggest u should get 6 lines of alberta p.pen% and 3 lines of izlude L-size. Raw pen enchant in morroc also good to combine w alberta.
@@jorg18ancrath as for the other 3 extra lines, would it be Izlude Fire Enh or Large Enh (for BH)? thanks for the update.
@@microproxify if for boss hunting I say go for Large as you won't get it easily with cards. While with Fire, you can get it with shellfish or phenomena or the upcoming juno headgear card that gives 25%.
macemist vs 2h? which is better?
2H stronger absolutely. But if u dont have much money to pay for it, pick mace better.
why white mace? is Blue also good?
becuz theres no good gold mace for macemist. Beside, macemist is pure INT, doesnt need P.atk so I dont need gold equips for high P.atk. About ASPD, I can get around 815% (5 hits / s) if max out SE6 and mace +10 which is easy to get w white stuffs.
Blue is good but I dont need Verocity effect so nah. Its x2 refine cost tho.
Im waiting for Juno's mace. In case its good, ill switch or ill stay w white mace. Get Ref Awk IV is better than use Nemesis or tier 3/4 mace.
@@ginkaiserwhat do u think about umbala mace and holy talisman? Is it good?
@@fahriahmad6876 yeah im thinking about that combo: Providence + Eye of Pry. It will solve the element part, and make way for size card & enchant.
its better using nereid 3, or alarm 3 for macemist sir?
Nereid bro, as always
Hello good sir, do you recommend switching from 1hand axe shield mechanic to 1hand axe shield genetic?? Im currently playing with 1hand axe shield mechanic.. or is it better to go and use mace instead?? Thanks in advance for the answer..
Hi, sry for late responding. If u want a new/strange/weird/mysterious build, welcome to mace. Or u can continue playing 1H mechanic, its still the most balance class till now.
About mace like me, i enjoy every contents in game. Its like giving me another chance to learn and try a new build which less ppl does.
@@ginkaiser thanks for the answer
Genetic??
Yes, im a genetic using mace
Up STR OR INT ???
why switch?
Gin so proooo