As an insurance appraiser, I look at at least 30 trailers a year with water leaks. Usually only one or two are aluminum sided. More expensive doesn't always mean less susceptible to leaks in my experience. Filon sided trailers have there issues too, depending on the manufacturer. Jayco is one of the more affordable units that don't usually have as many issues because of the way they vacuum press their filon skins to the backing board.
I had to stop what I was doing and write you. I think it's important to tell you how awesome you were hosting this video. You are a talented presenter. I was just surfing on TH-cam and found you. I like all types of adventures. I currently drive a Honda CRV (sleep in back w/o seats) with a motorcycle carrier hitch and soon to be hauling a 240 lb. Honda Trail bike on the CRV (right off the hitch) for my adventures in the Sierra Nevada range in CA. Anyway, I like it when people write me and tell me they enjoyed my books or say "thanks" when I have flown them somewhere as an airline pilot. So I want pay it forward and remind you that you're awesome! Great job on the video. Smooth and informative. Best regards, Robert robertlawrence.org
I'm completely oblivious to trailer camping. Is there any lightweight trailer that a Midsize sedan like a Accord or Civic rated for 1,000 pounds towing can haul? Can you do a video on that for the absolute beginners out there that don't have a crossover or pickup to tow?
Let me know when you review a used trailer for dads in the middle of a nasty divorce and are camped behind his buddy’s plumbing shop in an industrial park
@@franknowakowski3103 you sure can get a lot of motels don't forget your partying gift bed bugs to not trying to be funny but it's happened to me now I do campers whole lot cleaner
I've seen a $60k fifth wheel completely devistated by a blown tire, it ripped out all kinds of stuff and took thousands of dollars and months to fix. We gave up on buying a camper after seeing that. I'll stick with hotels and cabin rentals.
I feel you really don’t get what you pay for when it comes to trailers. They all are cheaply made. You are paying for size and added amenities, not build quality.
@Bill Madd Absolutely. I have a 2018 Flagstaff by Forest River....same parent company to Coachmen. Had a major problem from the fridge not cooling to windows leaking the first month I owned it. Constantly in the shop for warranty repairs. Now it's our of warranty and completely falling a part. Forest River is absolute garbage.
thats why you buy slightly used.. most trailers and RVs sit at storage centers 90% of the year as impulse buy. They realize its more than they bargained for or don't want to keep paying for storage and they sell it for cheap.
@@mindwreckRC So you pay less, but the problems remain. This is not like buying a used Toyota where fixing it up is money well spent. I don't harp on people for wanting into the camping world, I would do it, if there was a positive outcome to it. But one needs to know what they are getting into. And new is a crap shoot. Best buy is not a private owned slightly used either. Best buy is something from a rental company that has already done upgrades and regular maintenance before retiring it from their fleet.
@@lukepm4814 yeah im Canadian and that price is outrageous for such a pos lol. Lightly used is the way to go. 3 to 4 yrs old, and just replace the mattresses. Can get a good deal that way private sale
Years ago when we bought our first trailer, which seemed to be riddled with problems, I was speaking to an older guy at the dump station of the park we were at ( it's like gathering around the kitchen at parties - everyone meets at the dump station ), he had a giant, triple axle 5th wheel that my truck and trailer would have fit inside. After talking about the issues we were having, his response was; " they're all shit, doesn't matter the size, the brand or price - they are all built the same way". He said what you do is find the floorpan that suits what you want, then go find a dealer will look after you, because you are always going to have problems. A good dealer is more important than price, or features, or any of the flashy stuff that makes you buy it. This trailer being a Forest River product was likely built in the same factory as our Wolf Pup 16FQ - it's the same floorplan, with a few different features. I think you're a bit off on the aluminum siding though. There are far more cases of the fibreglass sides delaminating because of water seepage, that with the aluminum siding which mostly the same as what's on people's houses and is how trailers were built for many decades. It's only the last 25 or so years that the smooth sided fibreglass (or Azdel I think?), trailers have been around. Do a video where you take a trailer camping, from picking it up, parking at the site, hooking up everything, travelling with it - all that stuff.
I had a camper with this exact layout back in the 80's. I lived in it during my junior and senior year of high school. It was an old 60's model camper. It was very comfortable for one person to live in full time.
You lost me at the dump valves. That location behind the axle,, along with how low they are means sooner or later you will rip them off going into or out of a parking lot, or rough road. Worst location possible
Yep, thus "do your research". These are "dime a dozen" used, and depreciate like crazy. If you are one of those types that "must have new", then just be aware you pay a huge premium for it, and it ain't gonna matter if you decide you don't want it in a year.
volvo09 so which is worse? Buy this for 15k and sell it for 8k (46% depreciation) in 1 year and lose $7,000 or buy a better one for 30k and sell it for 22k (27% depreciation) and lose $8,000 in 1 year? The better one cost you 15k more to buy and 1k more in depreciation for a total of $16k extra expenditure for the year. Will you make that up in tax write offs? You can do quite a bit with that extra 16k. Of course, that’s not including how much it costs you in finance costs and savings. But the monthly payment for a 13k loan is quite a bit less than a 28k loan.
@@volvo09 never ever buy 'new', better to buy and fix up an older model. I had an 88 model 22ft long that I got for 1500 and spent a couple hundred fixing the water damage in the bathroom, used it a couple years and sold it for 1750.....
That was one of the best walk throughs i've ever seen and i've watched a lot of these and thank you for giving us the current price other places act like we're going to hold them hostage if they give us a price and it changes before we buy like we don't understand how sales work! lol
In 2017 I bought a brand new 24 ft Ultra light Passport travel trailer with bunk beds, queen size bed, slide out, out door kitchen, ample storage, AC, heat etc... for $20,000 out the door. What the hell is with the price of this sardine can? Anyone who buys it is a fool.
Thanks for the trailer reviews, Steven. I see a lot of comments concerning leaks, repairs and maintenance... Could you do a video with tips and tricks on how to seal the seams, repair common issues, inspect electrical system, that sort of thing? It would be very helpful. :)
I bought my clean 1990 Sun Lite Raven pop up for $500 when my friend’s cousin upgraded. I installed a new tongue jack and replaced the worn out lifting winch, all in I’m at $667 for a fully functional camper.
Really don't like to see the grey and black water at the tail end of the trailer. First trip thru a dip in the street and you would be leaving a trail of.. you get the picture. Either better guarding (something to get hung up on?) or buy one that its much closer to the wheels.
I enjoy your reviews, but on this one, terrible choice as a couples best trailer, virtually zero exterior storage, and your negativity of the aluminum ribbed siding is way off. That is in our opinion the best of the best, I have owned several smooth side travel trailers. ALL have over time suffered delamination and bubbled up underneath the skin. Just to prove the point they still make Ribbed aluminum siding on not just economy but also expensive ones, because campers in the know, look just for them when buying a camper. Ribbed siding is a little harder to clean but proven the best over the years for no leaking.
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That's expensive even for Canadian dollars... Did they all go up in price? (PS - I love that TFL Truck added a Canadian side to their channel. It helps.)
Well I’m glad to see some videos on this type of RV I owned many and my current Jayco is similar to this and it’s the best choice I’ve made. The other thing I like about these style RV’s is that you can watch for certain layouts and models choose what you like and haggle haggle and haggle because unlike other vehicle RV’s of a certain type these can be had for at least 20% off a sale price, at least, and try to find the one you want as a leftover from the previous model year. Never pay MSRP, and don’t worry about dealers they usually have the worst service after the sale, on average; I’m not labeling good RV dealers, but average so I’m not loyal I just want the best deal. OH and if your in the USA never buy form Camping World unless you A. have your own financing or B. buy outright look them up you’ll see the dirty tricks the play on unsuspecting people especially first time RV buyers.
Steven Elmer you really do great reviews. As a guy that’s been camping for 20 years... that siding is old school and holds up well. I can’t tell you how many wavy, smooth sided campers I’ve seen. Pay attention to some used smooth sided campers. Maybe recently they’ve made them more sturdy , idk. Mini Winnie makes the same layout. Better quality. Price wise not sure
The new minnie winnies use. a new type side and roof think they call it azdell, not sure but it is great, no delamination like the smooth side glass sides out there....
To make the reviews better may I suggest actually sitting at the dinning tables, laying on the bed, standing in shower...would make the functionality more realistic
This video felt like you were presenting me this trailer as opposed to trying to sell the trailer, which personally I prefer being "presented" to. Good job.
You need to include info any serious buyer needs like tank capacities, AC and heater BTU, etc. Two big fails on this el-cheapo trailer, single axle and one propane tank.
this is such an honest review. he's telling us that the workmanship isn't the best and leaks could come about due to cheaper construction, and he's selling the thing! i have so much respect for you for that.
I love your style. Its refreshing. You give it to us in plain language. The good and the bad. Wasted 2 years searching other channels. Could have made up my mind by now if I had discovered you sooner! And thanks for telling us the price!!!!
"This review" Stephen, it was good. You were straight up honest that for nearly 20K, you get what you pay for. Now my advice for anyone reading my comment, don't spend your hard earned $ on a NEW camper. It is a crap shoot. You are better off buying a used one from a rental company. BECAUSE most of those companies re-enforce them with better materials. They clean them up AND do regular maintenance on them during their time in service. PLUS they fix any manufacturers defects that it comes with so you don't have to. And finally, obviously the price is going to be lower than new. So you get a hell of a lot more bang for your buck from buying a used one from a reputable renting agency. Buying a used one from a private seller is worse than new because it is more than likely the owners got tired of the problems they did not want to deal with and are just trying to unload it on you. So that is the best advice out there. Take my word on it, I have been doing research for months on this topic. ;)
What difference? I have not seen any difference in the materials used on the rental travel trailers over privately owned trailers. What do they change on them?
in Thinking about trailers...question one: do they make an ARCTIC INSULATION package which would survive minus -20F overnight without freezing the plumbing and the human inside. This ALL WEATHER unit would be used in the Pacific Northwest(PNW) along I-90 corridor for travel probably 2 axle and towed by an 2005 Chevrolet Astro awd! Thank you for your response! good work by the way!
All the brands have some type of "4 season" trailers. Any trailer being used below freezing for awhile needs to be skirted and your water line needs a heat tape from the trailer to the faucet. Look at Montana if you can pull a 5th wheel or Cougar and you need the heat pads on the tanks, bigger propane bottles, heat tape in the A/C, fireplace heater, and someplace you can run the electricity. The heat tape on your water and all the other electric heat sources will help the propane furnace keep up on windy cold nights.
This was an unusual review, I've never seen the defects and poor workmanship displayed so prominently. This is a very honest review. I like all the different floor plans available but the think the price is too high. Coleman makes a $12,000 camper that's bigger and has more features.
MrJohnny8530 and the price difference! They may generally have a higher level build quality, or at least the appearance of better quality, but they often skimp on things like air conditioning, fridge size, stove size and room on the inside.
LOL. Like watching your videos, but you lost me at 2:15 when you spoke about possible leaks in the future from exterior. Keep the videos coming & thanks.
Would be great to see you all review campers on quality vs amenities. There are so many brands out there, and so many levels of quality. I would love to see you all rate and review campers like you do cars and trucks. Separate the cheap from the superior quality...the reliability, weights, how they hold up in elements (aluminum vs steel) etc. just a thought
If I was to choose to go with a trailer this would be just about perfect for me with a few personal modifications of course no slide outs are great for me
The murphy bed and large refrigerator are definitely selling points. Would be perfect for my son, my husband, and myself...but with 2 labradors and a small terrier, I think we would be fighting for bed space👍
The Coachmen Dalmatian's name is Pete. No slides is a benefit if you really plan on being outside, not in it except to sleep and rainstorms. Nice review Steve, cameraman your Dad? stay safe and healthy! If you have a 344FL there take a look they are nice.
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A Jeep Cherokee with a tow package has a 4500 lb tow capacity and 450 lb tongue weight could tow that, though a Grand Cherokee with a tow package and 6200 lb tow capacity could tow it with ease. The Toyota Tundra with tow package can only rated at 3500 tow capacity. Any American Built pickup can tow it with ease. I am not a fan of Tin and Stick trailers, though they are cheaper at first, maintenance tends to be more extensive and costly. I would move up to the Coachmen Apex Nano 187RB model with the same floor plan for a slightly more expensive to buy, but better unit for the longer term and having a similar weight and size. Both have similar size and floor plan models with a slide that makes them just about 300 lbs heavier. My pick would be the Apex Nano 191 RBS for a couple who plans on not traveling with children except very occasionally.
~4500 pounds is not something most small pickups could legally and safely tow. If you figure 15% of that weight is on the tongue, that's ~700 pounds by the time you fill the water tank and propane, which adds to payload, and also adds to rear axle weight on the tow vehicle. You will typically max out payload weight or rear axle weight before you max out GVWR. A half ton pickup could almost certainly handle it unless you go overboard with other toys and gear, but not many (any?) small pickups or SUVs could safely pull it.
$19,000!!!.... For about $25K, you can get a much bigger 8 foot by 16 foot tiny home on a trailer from "Incredible Tiny Homes" that is fully insulated and will last you for many years to come. #IncredibleTinyHomes
So, just about everything man made depreciates. If one buys this travel home, how much will depreciate, as I leave the sales lot? Second question; what does 18k in Canadian Dollars translate in USDs?
Disappointing review. How is that thing powered while on the road? Having a fridge and freezer is pointless if there is no power while on the road. Does it get 12VDC from the main vehicle and use an inverter? Is the fridge and freezer powered by propane? That propane tank on the frame by the hitch... is that a spare tank or thee propane tank? That Murphy bed.... ridiculous. It is basically a mattress lowered onto another mattress. Redundant. And the angle when that thing is latched in place... less than 90 degrees. Being a 6’2” tall person, no way I can sit back and relax on that sofa without hitting my head. Is there a flat screen somewhere in that thing?
RVs are built like crap these days, and big companies buying-out the smaller quality builders ruin them. Don't expect them to last. And warranty doesn't mean anything, because dealers don't give a shit about warranty work.
99% of the comments are ripping on it as "junk", "cheap", etc. Why even manufacture RV's or travel trailers if they're all crap? All people do is complain about them.
Don't care about the outside speakers, the awning is nice but manual is fine. Hope that microwave is removable. i feel like having the sink in the bathroom is nice but a waste of space. The "murphy bed" really feels out of place.
Those are nice...all kinds like that. But why do they all have that corrugated tin skin on them? Looks like crap all the same. Can't someone design a different outer skin for those things?
every trailer should come with top build quality of what it offers. If you are charging a price you need to make sure the customer is getting top product in that realm for their buck.
People should know that the letters mean something. For example, RB means rear bathroom. Once you break the code, it speeds up the searching, all of the trailers look the same anyway. The more bells and whistles you get, the more things you have that can break. Tell new campers that they will use their external speakers only once, playing music that can be heard outside your campsite is extremely rude, and people will get even with you if you do not turn down your noise after they ask nicely.
Actually, metal siding has an advantage over fiberglass. My hubby builds RVs and he said that the insulation is better in metal. It’s just foam boards behind fiberglass and actual insulation behind metal.
As an insurance appraiser, I look at at least 30 trailers a year with water leaks. Usually only one or two are aluminum sided. More expensive doesn't always mean less susceptible to leaks in my experience. Filon sided trailers have there issues too, depending on the manufacturer. Jayco is one of the more affordable units that don't usually have as many issues because of the way they vacuum press their filon skins to the backing board.
This model is almost identical to the Wolf pup 16 FQ. Funny how all of these "couples" trailers are so similar
The trailer looks very cheap and about $10,000 too much. Shame on you.
I had to stop what I was doing and write you. I think it's important to tell you how awesome you were hosting this video. You are a talented presenter. I was just surfing on TH-cam and found you. I like all types of adventures. I currently drive a Honda CRV (sleep in back w/o seats) with a motorcycle carrier hitch and soon to be hauling a 240 lb. Honda Trail bike on the CRV (right off the hitch) for my adventures in the Sierra Nevada range in CA. Anyway, I like it when people write me and tell me they enjoyed my books or say "thanks" when I have flown them somewhere as an airline pilot. So I want pay it forward and remind you that you're awesome! Great job on the video. Smooth and informative.
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Thanks, Guys. Love this series...
Your a very good speaker, very informative
Maybe do a video on the cheapest camper in production? Just curious as what is the bare bones camper
10 grand and up probably lol you could get an enclosed trailer and trick it out exactly how you like.
Good review. Thanks
You did a great review.
Just don't forget to untie the dog before you take off!
Ahhh, memories of Chevy Chase in "Vacation."
I'm completely oblivious to trailer camping. Is there any lightweight trailer that a Midsize sedan like a Accord or Civic rated for 1,000 pounds towing can haul? Can you do a video on that for the absolute beginners out there that don't have a crossover or pickup to tow?
Small Pop up campers but be prepared to be laughed at on the road.
@@desertguy1362 That's fine.
Let me know when you review a used trailer for dads in the middle of a nasty divorce and are camped behind his buddy’s plumbing shop in an industrial park
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That would be a teardrop camper
@@Eric_Allen no joke bro! I've been there myself but didn't have the luxury of a trailer. I had to make due in my Chevy 4× extended cab
@@Eric_Allen I'm dying 😂😂💀
I hate when that happens
trailer costs 14k USD
Is that considered “affordable” or “budget friendly” for such a small trailer?
@@scott8908 I can buy a LOT of motel rooms for $15K!
@@franknowakowski3103 can you go camping with a motel?
Yeah right it’s more than that anywhere I looked. By a lot.
@@franknowakowski3103 you sure can get a lot of motels don't forget your partying gift bed bugs to not trying to be funny but it's happened to me now I do campers whole lot cleaner
After learning the "affordable price" I realized I am much more poor than I thought
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Can get a lot of hotel visits for $20,000 not counting the extra gas maintenance campsite fees etc
I've seen a $60k fifth wheel completely devistated by a blown tire, it ripped out all kinds of stuff and took thousands of dollars and months to fix. We gave up on buying a camper after seeing that. I'll stick with hotels and cabin rentals.
You can rent these on RV share for $80-$100 a night
C C plus a virus. Sounds great !
Thanks luke combs for the review!
I feel you really don’t get what you pay for when it comes to trailers. They all are cheaply made. You are paying for size and added amenities, not build quality.
@Bill Madd Absolutely. I have a 2018 Flagstaff by Forest River....same parent company to Coachmen. Had a major problem from the fridge not cooling to windows leaking the first month I owned it. Constantly in the shop for warranty repairs. Now it's our of warranty and completely falling a part. Forest River is absolute garbage.
thats why you buy slightly used.. most trailers and RVs sit at storage centers 90% of the year as impulse buy. They realize its more than they bargained for or don't want to keep paying for storage and they sell it for cheap.
@@mindwreckRC So you pay less, but the problems remain. This is not like buying a used Toyota where fixing it up is money well spent. I don't harp on people for wanting into the camping world, I would do it, if there was a positive outcome to it. But one needs to know what they are getting into. And new is a crap shoot. Best buy is not a private owned slightly used either. Best buy is something from a rental company that has already done upgrades and regular maintenance before retiring it from their fleet.
@@beanhole69 My Southwind by Fleetwood, Keystone and Travel Supreme all had leaking problems as they started to go old...
@@beanhole69 My 2007 Forest River never leaked. A metal tent carport flew and hit my trailer damaging the aluminium siding. Even then it didn't leak.
That's about 10k more than i expected.
Lol same but thats Canadian dollars its like 13k in the US plus you usually can get them cheaper at the dealer
@@lukepm4814 yeah im Canadian and that price is outrageous for such a pos lol. Lightly used is the way to go. 3 to 4 yrs old, and just replace the mattresses. Can get a good deal that way private sale
Arnie Pye that’s the way to do it ! Great deals out there on trailers hardly used
@@arniepye how the sky looking in Canada?
Nah, sub 20k is about right. Most rvs in general aren't worth the price companies are trying to get anyway.
Years ago when we bought our first trailer, which seemed to be riddled with problems, I was speaking to an older guy at the dump station of the park we were at ( it's like gathering around the kitchen at parties - everyone meets at the dump station ), he had a giant, triple axle 5th wheel that my truck and trailer would have fit inside. After talking about the issues we were having, his response was; " they're all shit, doesn't matter the size, the brand or price - they are all built the same way". He said what you do is find the floorpan that suits what you want, then go find a dealer will look after you, because you are always going to have problems. A good dealer is more important than price, or features, or any of the flashy stuff that makes you buy it.
This trailer being a Forest River product was likely built in the same factory as our Wolf Pup 16FQ - it's the same floorplan, with a few different features.
I think you're a bit off on the aluminum siding though. There are far more cases of the fibreglass sides delaminating because of water seepage, that with the aluminum siding which mostly the same as what's on people's houses and is how trailers were built for many decades. It's only the last 25 or so years that the smooth sided fibreglass (or Azdel I think?), trailers have been around.
Do a video where you take a trailer camping, from picking it up, parking at the site, hooking up everything, travelling with it - all that stuff.
That would great.
I had a camper with this exact layout back in the 80's. I lived in it during my junior and senior year of high school. It was an old 60's model camper. It was very comfortable for one person to live in full time.
You did a great job of convincing me I don't want this piece of ****.
It’s the poorly built quality for me.
Way over priced. More like $7,000...and that's being nice.
Great review! We should collaborate on one of these :)
One in Canada, the other in Texas... Meet in Iowa? I could show you around! :)
YES! TFL Truck & Big Truck Big RV should DEFINITELY collaborate on a TFL Camper Review video. (TFL + BTBRV = awesomeness).
Subscribed to both and that sounds like a great idea!!!!
That’d be dope!!
Agreed
You lost me at the dump valves. That location behind the axle,, along with how low they are means sooner or later you will rip them off going into or out of a parking lot, or rough road. Worst location possible
They have been making "sheds" like this for decades. FEMA has these in droves.
Yep, thus "do your research". These are "dime a dozen" used, and depreciate like crazy. If you are one of those types that "must have new", then just be aware you pay a huge premium for it, and it ain't gonna matter if you decide you don't want it in a year.
volvo09 so which is worse? Buy this for 15k and sell it for 8k (46% depreciation) in 1 year and lose $7,000 or buy a better one for 30k and sell it for 22k (27% depreciation) and lose $8,000 in 1 year? The better one cost you 15k more to buy and 1k more in depreciation for a total of $16k extra expenditure for the year. Will you make that up in tax write offs? You can do quite a bit with that extra 16k. Of course, that’s not including how much it costs you in finance costs and savings. But the monthly payment for a 13k loan is quite a bit less than a 28k loan.
@@volvo09 never ever buy 'new', better to buy and fix up an older model. I had an 88 model 22ft long that I got for 1500 and spent a couple hundred fixing the water damage in the bathroom, used it a couple years and sold it for 1750.....
No money should be given to anyone here for anything
That was one of the best walk throughs i've ever seen and i've watched a lot of these and thank you for giving us the current price other places act like we're going to hold them hostage if they give us a price and it changes before we buy like we don't understand how sales work! lol
My favorite TFL guy.
In 2017 I bought a brand new 24 ft Ultra light Passport travel trailer with bunk beds, queen size bed, slide out, out door kitchen, ample storage, AC, heat etc... for $20,000 out the door. What the hell is with the price of this sardine can? Anyone who buys it is a fool.
Thanks for the trailer reviews, Steven. I see a lot of comments concerning leaks, repairs and maintenance... Could you do a video with tips and tricks on how to seal the seams, repair common issues, inspect electrical system, that sort of thing? It would be very helpful. :)
I would love to see truck bed camper reviews as well
I’ll keep my 1997 pop up trailer I paid next to nothing for and is in great condition
Lol only cause you can't afford anything newer or better
HoweSound good one
@@Durataur lol
If it does what you need, then you certainly should.
I bought my clean 1990 Sun Lite Raven pop up for $500 when my friend’s cousin upgraded. I installed a new tongue jack and replaced the worn out lifting winch, all in I’m at $667 for a fully functional camper.
I like this guy, most down to earth, straight up no nonsense. Thanks for the review.
Really don't like to see the grey and black water at the tail end of the trailer. First trip thru a dip in the street and you would be leaving a trail of.. you get the picture. Either better guarding (something to get hung up on?) or buy one that its much closer to the wheels.
I enjoy your reviews, but on this one, terrible choice as a couples best trailer, virtually zero exterior storage, and your negativity of the aluminum ribbed siding is way off. That is in our opinion the best of the best, I have owned several smooth side travel trailers. ALL have over time suffered delamination and bubbled up underneath the skin. Just to prove the point they still make Ribbed aluminum siding on not just economy but also expensive ones, because campers in the know, look just for them when buying a camper. Ribbed siding is a little harder to clean but proven the best over the years for no leaking.
Agreed. The smooth sided look great, but almost always de-laminate after a few years.
It is also a lot easier to fix if someone rams something into the side of it.
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Love how honest he was about the cons of the trailer
That's expensive even for Canadian dollars... Did they all go up in price?
(PS - I love that TFL Truck added a Canadian side to their channel. It helps.)
No offence stach trailer looks like a trash the build quality needs to be better
Well I’m glad to see some videos on this type of RV I owned many and my current Jayco is similar to this and it’s the best choice I’ve made. The other thing I like about these style RV’s is that you can watch for certain layouts and models choose what you like and haggle haggle and haggle because unlike other vehicle RV’s of a certain type these can be had for at least 20% off a sale price, at least, and try to find the one you want as a leftover from the previous model year. Never pay MSRP, and don’t worry about dealers they usually have the worst service after the sale, on average; I’m not labeling good RV dealers, but average so I’m not loyal I just want the best deal. OH and if your in the USA never buy form Camping World unless you A. have your own financing or B. buy outright look them up you’ll see the dirty tricks the play on unsuspecting people especially first time RV buyers.
You pay for labor Americans don't work cheap
Steven Elmer you really do great reviews. As a guy that’s been camping for 20 years... that siding is old school and holds up well. I can’t tell you how many wavy, smooth sided campers I’ve seen. Pay attention to some used smooth sided campers. Maybe recently they’ve made them more sturdy , idk. Mini Winnie makes the same layout. Better quality. Price wise not sure
The new minnie winnies use. a new type side and roof think they call it azdell, not sure but it is great, no delamination like the smooth side glass sides out there....
Just gotta buy them used and change out the mattress. Tons of people buy them and hardly ever use them and then sell.
To make the reviews better may I suggest actually sitting at the dinning tables, laying on the bed, standing in shower...would make the functionality more realistic
Perhaps pointing out the value and positive things about the trailer instead of pointing out it’s short comings
Or perhaps actually review it. This is obviously just a commercial.
LOVE this kind of trailer review, thanks
Good little camper for its purpose. but for 12k-18k, you have a ton of options in the used market that would give u a lot more space and or options
This video felt like you were presenting me this trailer as opposed to trying to sell the trailer, which personally I prefer being "presented" to. Good job.
That's cool I have a 2019 Keystone Springdale 20.5 foot with slide out I bought it new for 18000.00 out the door I love it.
You need to include info any serious buyer needs like tank capacities, AC and heater BTU, etc. Two big fails on this el-cheapo trailer, single axle and one propane tank.
Great video 👍
Please do the conversion to $usd in upcoming videos.
Thanks 😊
In US bucks..this is about $15 000
You're out of your FNG mind. $20,000.
I've been camping most of my life, not once did I ever hear, "We need an oven in here..."
An oven is probably overkill. A cooktop and a microwave are more than enough for civilized camping.
I have a family of 5 and we never cook in our camper. The kitchen is always outside.
this is such an honest review. he's telling us that the workmanship isn't the best and leaks could come about due to cheaper construction, and he's selling the thing! i have so much respect for you for that.
I love your style. Its refreshing. You give it to us in plain language. The good and the bad. Wasted 2 years searching other channels. Could have made up my mind by now if I had discovered you sooner! And thanks for telling us the price!!!!
"This review" Stephen, it was good. You were straight up honest that for nearly 20K, you get what you pay for. Now my advice for anyone reading my comment, don't spend your hard earned $ on a NEW camper. It is a crap shoot. You are better off buying a used one from a rental company. BECAUSE most of those companies re-enforce them with better materials. They clean them up AND do regular maintenance on them during their time in service. PLUS they fix any manufacturers defects that it comes with so you don't have to. And finally, obviously the price is going to be lower than new. So you get a hell of a lot more bang for your buck from buying a used one from a reputable renting agency. Buying a used one from a private seller is worse than new because it is more than likely the owners got tired of the problems they did not want to deal with and are just trying to unload it on you. So that is the best advice out there. Take my word on it, I have been doing research for months on this topic. ;)
Thanks
What difference? I have not seen any difference in the materials used on the rental travel trailers over privately owned trailers. What do they change on them?
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This guy gives great reviews. Straight and to the point.
in Thinking about trailers...question one: do they make an ARCTIC INSULATION package which would survive minus -20F overnight without freezing the plumbing and the human inside. This ALL WEATHER unit would be used in the Pacific Northwest(PNW) along I-90 corridor for travel probably 2 axle and towed by an 2005 Chevrolet Astro awd! Thank you for your response! good work by the way!
All the brands have some type of "4 season" trailers. Any trailer being used below freezing for awhile needs to be skirted and your water line needs a heat tape from the trailer to the faucet. Look at Montana if you can pull a 5th wheel or Cougar and you need the heat pads on the tanks, bigger propane bottles, heat tape in the A/C, fireplace heater, and someplace you can run the electricity. The heat tape on your water and all the other electric heat sources will help the propane furnace keep up on windy cold nights.
I think I'll stick to buying an old ass 60s Yellowstone camper for 3k. Tanks !
ridiculous price.
Clearly I know nothing about campers. $18k is cheap?! The good ole tent will be staying
It’s around 14k usd
Heath3250 yes, I’m used to 30 year old used trailers that have better build quality (but fewer niceties) for only a couple of grand.
For 20k...you are just plain nuts!
This was an unusual review, I've never seen the defects and poor workmanship displayed so prominently. This is a very honest review. I like all the different floor plans available but the think the price is too high. Coleman makes a $12,000 camper that's bigger and has more features.
Biggest mistake I ever made was buying one of those cheap plastic, leaking piece of craps !
Not going to lie this rig is pretty nice for it price! I appreciate videos like this: affordable trailers for everyday people.
Thank you for the video! Very interesting to see how the differences are between American caravan manufacturers and German ones.
MrJohnny8530 and the price difference! They may generally have a higher level build quality, or at least the appearance of better quality, but they often skimp on things like air conditioning, fridge size, stove size and room on the inside.
The plastic used in many european campers is not leagl for new campers in California as it is a cancer causing agent.
In other words.....its cheap shit.
LOL. Like watching your videos, but you lost me at 2:15 when you spoke about possible leaks in the future from exterior. Keep the videos coming & thanks.
Good morning Steve...that's a great little rig...it's nice I like the interior
Would be great to see you all review campers on quality vs amenities. There are so many brands out there, and so many levels of quality. I would love to see you all rate and review campers like you do cars and trucks. Separate the cheap from the superior quality...the reliability, weights, how they hold up in elements (aluminum vs steel) etc. just a thought
You're a fantastic entertainer, salesman and teacher. Keep up the great work!
If I was to choose to go with a trailer this would be just about perfect for me with a few personal modifications of course no slide outs are great for me
Great job! Finally a RV video I can watch and enjoy
Will a Tacoma pull this
For that trailer, it's not cheap. Only an opinion.
Mr up sell, let me show you the PREVOST
The weight of the trailer is actually just under 3500 lbs not 4500 lbs. Great video by the way. You do such a great job explaining things.
What is the industry doing for handicap access for travel trailers?
The murphy bed and large refrigerator are definitely selling points. Would be perfect for my son, my husband, and myself...but with 2 labradors and a small terrier, I think we would be fighting for bed space👍
The Coachmen Dalmatian's name is Pete. No slides is a benefit if you really plan on being outside, not in it except to sleep and rainstorms. Nice review Steve, cameraman your Dad? stay safe and healthy! If you have a 344FL there take a look they are nice.
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Passport rov is way cooler.. Just saying.
. No thanks, 20 grand today. & 2 grand, down the road. HA.HA.HA
A Jeep Cherokee with a tow package has a 4500 lb tow capacity and 450 lb tongue weight could tow that, though a Grand Cherokee with a tow package and 6200 lb tow capacity could tow it with ease. The Toyota Tundra with tow package can only rated at 3500 tow capacity. Any American Built pickup can tow it with ease. I am not a fan of Tin and Stick trailers, though they are cheaper at first, maintenance tends to be more extensive and costly. I would move up to the Coachmen Apex Nano 187RB model with the same floor plan for a slightly more expensive to buy, but better unit for the longer term and having a similar weight and size. Both have similar size and floor plan models with a slide that makes them just about 300 lbs heavier. My pick would be the Apex Nano 191 RBS for a couple who plans on not traveling with children except very occasionally.
~4500 pounds is not something most small pickups could legally and safely tow. If you figure 15% of that weight is on the tongue, that's ~700 pounds by the time you fill the water tank and propane, which adds to payload, and also adds to rear axle weight on the tow vehicle. You will typically max out payload weight or rear axle weight before you max out GVWR. A half ton pickup could almost certainly handle it unless you go overboard with other toys and gear, but not many (any?) small pickups or SUVs could safely pull it.
Awesome informative Video experience Y'alls God Bless Ya Prayers 🙏
RV parks in the US are having a record year. Some places around here have been sold out 2 months in advance. And that is boring Kansas.
In Florida a popular one on the water is mostly booked 6 months+ in advance year round every year.
$19,000!!!.... For about $25K, you can get a much bigger 8 foot by 16 foot tiny home on a trailer from "Incredible Tiny Homes" that is fully insulated and will last you for many years to come. #IncredibleTinyHomes
Salesman sure cuts this thing down.
That is silicone caulk you DON'T wipe it off! After it dries you cut it off! 2 minutes into the video and bad advice from a no nothing
The older I get, the better these type of trailers look... lol
So, just about everything man made depreciates. If one buys this travel home, how much will depreciate, as I leave the sales lot?
Second question; what does 18k in Canadian Dollars translate in USDs?
Disappointing review. How is that thing powered while on the road? Having a fridge and freezer is pointless if there is no power while on the road. Does it get 12VDC from the main vehicle and use an inverter? Is the fridge and freezer powered by propane? That propane tank on the frame by the hitch... is that a spare tank or thee propane tank?
That Murphy bed.... ridiculous. It is basically a mattress lowered onto another mattress. Redundant. And the angle when that thing is latched in place... less than 90 degrees. Being a 6’2” tall person, no way I can sit back and relax on that sofa without hitting my head.
Is there a flat screen somewhere in that thing?
RVs are built like crap these days, and big companies buying-out the smaller quality builders ruin them. Don't expect them to last. And warranty doesn't mean anything, because dealers don't give a shit about warranty work.
99% of the comments are ripping on it as "junk", "cheap", etc. Why even manufacture RV's or travel trailers if they're all crap? All people do is complain about them.
You are the best I’ve have seen so far. Keep up the great work!
Don't care about the outside speakers, the awning is nice but manual is fine. Hope that microwave is removable. i feel like having the sink in the bathroom is nice but a waste of space. The "murphy bed" really feels out of place.
What a maintance nightmare for 20k ...
Those are nice...all kinds like that. But why do they all have that corrugated tin skin on them? Looks like crap all the same. Can't someone design a different outer skin for those things?
every trailer should come with top build quality of what it offers. If you are charging a price you need to make sure the customer is getting top product in that realm for their buck.
People should know that the letters mean something. For example, RB means rear bathroom. Once you break the code, it speeds up the searching, all of the trailers look the same anyway. The more bells and whistles you get, the more things you have that can break. Tell new campers that they will use their external speakers only once, playing music that can be heard outside your campsite is extremely rude, and people will get even with you if you do not turn down your noise after they ask nicely.
Actually, metal siding has an advantage over fiberglass. My hubby builds RVs and he said that the insulation is better in metal. It’s just foam boards behind fiberglass and actual insulation behind metal.